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[Phantom_999]

You know what I have been thinking?

I mention that Naruto and Hinata has really no development. They have interactions, but nothing really that defines actual development. Proender NH fans say there is plenty of NH development that I just don't see.

That's kind of a problem isn't it? If I have to be a hardcore shipper to see the development of my ship. I mean the kind of hardcore shipper that thinks that even a glance at each other is "development," then something is wrong.

The simple fact that a majority of the fandom still questions "how did NH become canon" or even "why did you make NH canon" kind of says that the writer was never clear enough in the story to begin with only the most hardcore of shippers would "see" anything.

I got this realization when I was discussing about Bumblebee from RWBY. All the moments they "show" me from earlier volumes to me seem more like a sisterly bonding. It is is not like Yang and Blake are blushing or feeling "love gitters" as I call them around each other. It wasn't like Yang or Blake was all shy or heated around each other nor was there any indication of any attraction. If I have to be a Bumblebee shipper to see the Bumblebee "development" then something is definitely wrong.

 

It's just like SasuSaku. All Naruto had to do was say "hi" to Hinta and pro shippers think they are getting married next chapter, or that they will be boyfriend and girlfriend. But Sakura tries to feed Naruto ramen when his arm is injured and those that are fanatically against Sakura being shipped with Naruto be like "what a cute brother and sister relationship that is"  

Edited by Phantom_999, 05 April 2019 - 02:57 PM.

[James S Cassidy]

And NH has even less than that (FAR LESS). 

 

Every NH interaction lead to nowhere, the end result having one if not MANY missing links. They went crazy when Naruto cheered Hinata on, and somehow it is romantic, when various people cheered for various people. Naruto calls Hinata weird, also romantic. Logic would dictate that kills a chance of a romantic relationship, at least in the short term. Hinata looks at him from the shadows, also romantic (despite being a minor character). When he returns, her fainting is a sign of true love. Really, we're going with that stupid cliche? They're paired up during the hunt for Sasuke, and somehow this is a date. Ignoring the fact they never talk to each other nor had a moment Kishi chose to make stand out. Now they will say "Well, they were on a mission!" That kind of kills the point of that statement earlier, doesn't it? They get all up in arms over that confession, but Naruto does NOTHING to address it until 200 chapters later, and even then it's one panel. Plus immediately afterwards the NS HUG was highlighted. Then there was the handholding, but...well, on it's own I don't know what to make of it. Kishimoto confirmed that as the moment that made NH canon, but it fell flat because most of our attention is focused on Neji dying, Naruto STILL doesn't confirm any feelings for Hinata, and it was far too late to turn things around logically for them.

 

I don't need every interaction to be super romantic, in fact many relationships can have the two be friends and gradually or even suddenly turn to love, provided there is a solid foundation for that. NH has no foundation. It's just forced, and at the cost of everyone's potential.

Worse still when you add in the movie saying "Naruto didn't understand love." So, right then and there all "romantic moments" between Naruto and Hinata are NOT romantic moments because Naruto didn't take them as romantic. Naruto didn't acknowledge them being romantic....so they are not romantic moments. Naruto actually took Hinata's romantic gesture as a platonic encounter according to Naruto the Last.

That's when the proender be like "Well, the movie is not really 100% canon." Uh huh. Sure. Make more excuses.

 

 

It's just like SasuSaku. All Naruto had to do was say "hi" to Hinta and pro shippers think they are getting married next chapter, or that they will be boyfriend and girlfriend. But Sakura tries to feed Naruto ramen when his arm is injured and those that are fanatically against Sakura being shipped with Naruto be like "what a cute brother and sister relationship that is"  

Ah yes, the whole "If my character does it, it is romantic, but if your character does it is is platonic" excuse.

Again, Naruto blushed around Sakura, but never blushed around Hinata. So, how is it not romantic? Coupled (pun intended) with the fact that, like I said above, Naruto never took anything Hinata did as romantic according to the movie cause "he didn't know what love was" just just constantly shooting themselves in the foot.

[Phantom_999]

Exactly. Either Naruto was oblvious to love and Hinata's confession meant JACK $H!T or he WAS NOT oblivious and knew what he was doing when he asked Sakura out all those times. There is no in between

Edited by Phantom_999, 05 April 2019 - 09:19 PM.

[VanitasDS76491]

Worse still when you add in the movie saying "Naruto didn't understand love." So, right then and there all "romantic moments" between Naruto and Hinata are NOT romantic moments because Naruto didn't take them as romantic. Naruto didn't acknowledge them being romantic....so they are not romantic moments. Naruto actually took Hinata's romantic gesture as a platonic encounter according to Naruto the Last.
That's when the proender be like "Well, the movie is not really 100% canon." Uh huh. Sure. Make more excuses.
 


Ah yes, the whole "If my character does it, it is romantic, but if your character does it is is platonic" excuse.
Again, Naruto blushed around Sakura, but never blushed around Hinata. So, how is it not romantic? Coupled (pun intended) with the fact that, like I said above, Naruto never took anything Hinata did as romantic according to the movie cause "he didn't know what love was" just just constantly shooting themselves in the foot.

the more you find things wrong with the last the deeper the hole of bad it becomes, this sounds like Paul Anderson who did those awful resident evil movies did this cause those movies have worse continuity than the last.
Why why why why why does that kittening movie exist it has makes no sense even from a story telling perspective the villain has no reason to exist and does nothing and gets off easy and did we need more useless people relate to Kaguya cause does anyone even care about the kaguya forced kitten, heck dr.doom is a better villain than anyone in naruto cause can any villain in Naruto say they stole a God powers and put nearly destroyed reality itself.

[Phantom_999]

And NH has even less than that (FAR LESS). 

 

Every NH interaction lead to nowhere, the end result having one if not MANY missing links. They went crazy when Naruto cheered Hinata on, and somehow it is romantic, when various people cheered for various people. Naruto calls Hinata weird, also romantic. Logic would dictate that kills a chance of a romantic relationship, at least in the short term. Hinata looks at him from the shadows, also romantic (despite being a minor character). When he returns, her fainting is a sign of true love. Really, we're going with that stupid cliche? They're paired up during the hunt for Sasuke, and somehow this is a date. Ignoring the fact they never talk to each other nor had a moment Kishi chose to make stand out. Now they will say "Well, they were on a mission!" That kind of kills the point of that statement earlier, doesn't it? They get all up in arms over that confession, but Naruto does NOTHING to address it until 200 chapters later, and even then it's one panel. Plus immediately afterwards the NS HUG was highlighted. Then there was the handholding, but...well, on it's own I don't know what to make of it. Kishimoto confirmed that as the moment that made NH canon, but it fell flat because most of our attention is focused on Neji dying, Naruto STILL doesn't confirm any feelings for Hinata, and it was far too late to turn things around logically for them.

 

I don't need every interaction to be super romantic, in fact many relationships can have the two be friends and gradually or even suddenly turn to love, provided there is a solid foundation for that. NH has no foundation. It's just forced, and at the cost of everyone's potential.

 

That is WHAT I SAY. ALL THE DAMN TIME. NaruSaku had that foundation, that development with the friendship and the potential for it to turn into more. And what's more, those two being in a relationship DOES NOT take away anything from their established character traits and personalities, that is what makes it a great romance. You don't see Sakura pretending to be what she is not, nor is she a passive sobbing wreck when in Naruto's vicinity. Hinata is a sex doll and nothing more. Hell, I bet that given her default personality without SP's interference, she'd BEHAVE LIKE a "sex doll", not making a peep nor moving an inch. "Just there for Nardo to release his "urges" on. Just saying  that is how bland her personality is, and how little to NOTHING she would add in a relationship with Naruto. Naruto starts a conversation with her and she would respond with "N-Naruto-kun"

Edited by Phantom_999, 19 April 2019 - 08:57 PM.

[TheFirstEvil100]

 

That is WHAT I SAY. ALL THE DAMN TIME. NaruSaku had that foundation, that development with the friendship and the potential for it to turn into more. And what's more, those two being in a relationship DOES NOT take away anything from their established character traits and personalities, that is what makes it a great romance. You don't see Sakura pretending to be what she is not, nor is she a passive sobbing wreck when in Naruto's vicinity. Hinata is a sex doll and nothing more. Hell, I bet that given her default personality without SP's interference, she'd BEHAVE LIKE a "sex doll", not making a peep nor moving an inch. Just saying  that is how bland her personality is, and how little to NOTHING she would add in a relationship with Naruto. Naruto starts a conversation with her and she would respond with "N-Naruto-kun"

You forgot that Hinata as big boobs which the Nh males love, they see that they are Naruto and Hinata is their girls while Sakura is the evil kitten that have to kill to save Princess Hinata.

[NaruSaku fan in Kentucky]

I can imagine Kate would sound good as Kairi :)

If they ever make a Kingdom Hearts anime(which could happen) then she should voice Kairi.

[Phantom_999]

for the english dub yeah but what about the original voices?

[Phantom_999]

You forgot that Hinata as big boobs which the Nh males love, they see that they are Naruto and Hinata is their girls while Sakura is the evil kitten that have to kill to save Princess Hinata.

 

Oh I didn't forget, it just falls into the SD category I put her into, no?

Edited by Phantom_999, 19 April 2019 - 08:57 PM.

[KClaws_2]

You know, there's a little something I noticed among the major sites that address the shipping (Screen Rant, IGN, ANN). While many of these places support NH and claim NS was not going to happen under any circumstance, most of them do not support SS.

 

The main thing many of these sites say regarding Naruto's "changing" feelings and why NH was the correct choice was because Sakura was never going to get over Sasuke. Okay. But then when talking about SS, they complain about how it is toxic and doesn't make sense. Some will even outright say Sakura should have gotten with Lee.

 

Like, what? So, you're arguing Naruto goes with Hinata instead of Sakura because the later wouldn't change her feelings. Okay, fair enough. But when you're disappointed Sakura DOES indeed stick with Sasuke, that argument holds no water. Naruto got with Hinata BECAUSE Sakura got with Sasuke. If she fell out of love with Sasuke, Naruto would have definitely pursued her. Why else do you think he called her his girlfriend in front of Minato? 

 

Now, in theory, you COULD make a story where Sakura falls out of love with Sasuke but doesn't return Naruto's feelings either. But now that has to be addressed. You have to answer "WELL WHY NOT" to NS. YOU REALLY HAVE TO MAKE SAKURA explain it now. Just because she no longer loves Sasuke doesn't mean she has to love Naruto that way (a perfectly reasonable thing to say). Maybe she realized she's gay for women. Maybe she and Lee were spending time together during the timeskip that eventually blossomed into love. SOMETHING.
You also can't rightfully criticize Sakura for staying her fan girl self when that was necessary to make the "prize" ship happen. I'm sorry, but that was the only way NH could ever happen. It could have done well with this, provided Sasuke and Sakura's relationship wasn't as toxic as it is in canon, and if Naruto spent SOME time with Hinata. But it doesn't. We know WHY it happened; it just happened in the laziest and most insulting way possible. You can clearly see the SS family is dysfunctional, and the way Kishimoto wrote this portion of the story, he implies Naruto only married Hinata in an attempt to fill the void left by Team 7.

 

Sorry Pro-Enders. But there is no way out of this. The only way to have NH IS for SS to exist. If anything, SS is the more important of the two ships, because it's pathos is not directly linked to NH, but NH relies on SS being a thing to make the relationship even possible.

[jak123]

You know, there's a little something I noticed among the major sites that address the shipping (Screen Rant, IGN, ANN). While many of these places support NH

 

This is why the big sites suck ass.

[Derock]

You know, there's a little something I noticed among the major sites that address the shipping (Screen Rant, IGN, ANN). While many of these places support NH and claim NS was not going to happen under any circumstance, most of them do not support SS.

 

The main thing many of these sites say regarding Naruto's "changing" feelings and why NH was the correct choice was because Sakura was never going to get over Sasuke. Okay. But then when talking about SS, they complain about how it is toxic and doesn't make sense. Some will even outright say Sakura should have gotten with Lee.

 

Like, what? So, you're arguing Naruto goes with Hinata instead of Sakura because the later wouldn't change her feelings. Okay, fair enough. But when you're disappointed Sakura DOES indeed stick with Sasuke, that argument holds no water. Naruto got with Hinata BECAUSE Sakura got with Sasuke. If she fell out of love with Sasuke, Naruto would have definitely pursued her. Why else do you think he called her his girlfriend in front of Minato? 

 

Now, in theory, you COULD make a story where Sakura falls out of love with Sasuke but doesn't return Naruto's feelings either. But now that has to be addressed. You have to answer "WELL WHY NOT" to NS. YOU REALLY HAVE TO MAKE SAKURA explain it now. Just because she no longer loves Sasuke doesn't mean she has to love Naruto that way (a perfectly reasonable thing to say). Maybe she realized she's gay for women. Maybe she and Lee were spending time together during the timeskip that eventually blossomed into love. SOMETHING.
You also can't rightfully criticize Sakura for staying her fan girl self when that was necessary to make the "prize" ship happen. I'm sorry, but that was the only way NH could ever happen. It could have done well with this, provided Sasuke and Sakura's relationship wasn't as toxic as it is in canon, and if Naruto spent SOME time with Hinata. But it doesn't. We know WHY it happened; it just happened in the laziest and most insulting way possible. You can clearly see the SS family is dysfunctional, and the way Kishimoto wrote this portion of the story, he implies Naruto only married Hinata in an attempt to fill the void left by Team 7.

 

Sorry Pro-Enders. But there is no way out of this. The only way to have NH IS for SS to exist. If anything, SS is the more important of the two ships, because it's pathos is not directly linked to NH, but NH relies on SS being a thing to make the relationship even possible.

 

I don't know why those sites are into NH in the first place. Was anyone in "Hooked on Hinata" mode or something? They always glorified her so Naruto can pursue her, despite the fact she hadn't done jack squat and Naruto, himself, wasn't feeling her in that type of way (until The Last happened). If I was a journalist for anime and manga that I'm currently watching/reading, I rather be writing stuff that is relevant, not bringing any wishful/bias thoughts about certain things that I want to happen from the author.

 

On the bold, that is 50/50, IF you want both couples exists. However, that doesn't mean that they will always need to compliment each other. As you said, KClaws_2, we could had LeeSaku if we want to drop SS. NH also should not co-exist either, if you think about. Naruto could had been with some other female character, sexual orientation may change (unlikely but possible) or stay being single (which many people need to understand, EVERYONE DOES NOT HAVE TO PAIR UP!!!)

 

Unfortunately, it doesn't matter because everyone was "Hooked on Hinata", thinking that she was an important figure in the franchise, when in reality, she WASN'T.

[LuckyChi7]

Would you guys argue that Part II in terms of the anime (Shippuden) did more for it's characters up to Pain Arc than Kishi did in the manga?

 

For example: 

 

The Sora Arc  - Big Character piece for Asuma before his death in the Hidan and Kakuzu Arc (in many ways made it more emotional)

 

Three Tails Arc -    Showcased a conflict between Orochimaru and the Akatsuki (which never really happened in the manga). That and the other members like Team Kuranai and Team Asuma got somewhat of a spotlight.  

 

6 Tails Arc  - Naruto meeting another Jinchuriki (other than Gaara), and getting to know their character.  

 

 

 

 

things like that. 

[Bail o' Lies]

You know, there's a little something I noticed among the major sites that address the shipping (Screen Rant, IGN, ANN). While many of these places support NH and claim NS was not going to happen under any circumstance, most of them do not support SS.

 

The main thing many of these sites say regarding Naruto's "changing" feelings and why NH was the correct choice was because Sakura was never going to get over Sasuke. Okay. But then when talking about SS, they complain about how it is toxic and doesn't make sense. Some will even outright say Sakura should have gotten with Lee.

 

Like, what? So, you're arguing Naruto goes with Hinata instead of Sakura because the later wouldn't change her feelings. Okay, fair enough. But when you're disappointed Sakura DOES indeed stick with Sasuke, that argument holds no water. Naruto got with Hinata BECAUSE Sakura got with Sasuke. If she fell out of love with Sasuke, Naruto would have definitely pursued her. Why else do you think he called her his girlfriend in front of Minato? 

 

Now, in theory, you COULD make a story where Sakura falls out of love with Sasuke but doesn't return Naruto's feelings either. But now that has to be addressed. You have to answer "WELL WHY NOT" to NS. YOU REALLY HAVE TO MAKE SAKURA explain it now. Just because she no longer loves Sasuke doesn't mean she has to love Naruto that way (a perfectly reasonable thing to say). Maybe she realized she's gay for women. Maybe she and Lee were spending time together during the timeskip that eventually blossomed into love. SOMETHING.
You also can't rightfully criticize Sakura for staying her fan girl self when that was necessary to make the "prize" ship happen. I'm sorry, but that was the only way NH could ever happen. It could have done well with this, provided Sasuke and Sakura's relationship wasn't as toxic as it is in canon, and if Naruto spent SOME time with Hinata. But it doesn't. We know WHY it happened; it just happened in the laziest and most insulting way possible. You can clearly see the SS family is dysfunctional, and the way Kishimoto wrote this portion of the story, he implies Naruto only married Hinata in an attempt to fill the void left by Team 7.

 

Sorry Pro-Enders. But there is no way out of this. The only way to have NH IS for SS to exist. If anything, SS is the more important of the two ships, because it's pathos is not directly linked to NH, but NH relies on SS being a thing to make the relationship even possible.

Remember, even in the Last the movie that was suppose to show the glory of nH and why they are the perfect pairing that had to happen. The person that was pushing them together was Sakura. The reason she was helping nH get together because she was 'with' Sasuke. Without Sakura's help Hinata would have given up because she thought Naruto's scarf was from another woman he was with.

 

If you've seen any amount of Boruto it is made abundantly clear that none of team seven just hangs out like the other teams may do, they have no close relationship, and would only meet under professional circumstances...When the entire point of the second part was bringing them back together because they were just so close they are all basically family. Part of the reason for this is Kishimoto was bitter when setting up Boruto, but by now most of it is they are terrified of using Sakura for more then anything other then as Salad's mom.

Edited by Bail o' Lies, 10 April 2019 - 03:16 AM.

[James S Cassidy]

You know, there's a little something I noticed among the major sites that address the shipping (Screen Rant, IGN, ANN). While many of these places support NH and claim NS was not going to happen under any circumstance, most of them do not support SS.

 

The main thing many of these sites say regarding Naruto's "changing" feelings and why NH was the correct choice was because Sakura was never going to get over Sasuke. Okay. But then when talking about SS, they complain about how it is toxic and doesn't make sense. Some will even outright say Sakura should have gotten with Lee.

 

Like, what? So, you're arguing Naruto goes with Hinata instead of Sakura because the later wouldn't change her feelings. Okay, fair enough. But when you're disappointed Sakura DOES indeed stick with Sasuke, that argument holds no water. Naruto got with Hinata BECAUSE Sakura got with Sasuke. If she fell out of love with Sasuke, Naruto would have definitely pursued her. Why else do you think he called her his girlfriend in front of Minato? 

 

Now, in theory, you COULD make a story where Sakura falls out of love with Sasuke but doesn't return Naruto's feelings either. But now that has to be addressed. You have to answer "WELL WHY NOT" to NS. YOU REALLY HAVE TO MAKE SAKURA explain it now. Just because she no longer loves Sasuke doesn't mean she has to love Naruto that way (a perfectly reasonable thing to say). Maybe she realized she's gay for women. Maybe she and Lee were spending time together during the timeskip that eventually blossomed into love. SOMETHING.
You also can't rightfully criticize Sakura for staying her fan girl self when that was necessary to make the "prize" ship happen. I'm sorry, but that was the only way NH could ever happen. It could have done well with this, provided Sasuke and Sakura's relationship wasn't as toxic as it is in canon, and if Naruto spent SOME time with Hinata. But it doesn't. We know WHY it happened; it just happened in the laziest and most insulting way possible. You can clearly see the SS family is dysfunctional, and the way Kishimoto wrote this portion of the story, he implies Naruto only married Hinata in an attempt to fill the void left by Team 7.

 

Sorry Pro-Enders. But there is no way out of this. The only way to have NH IS for SS to exist. If anything, SS is the more important of the two ships, because it's pathos is not directly linked to NH, but NH relies on SS being a thing to make the relationship even possible.

I have said this for the past 3 years now and some people still don't get it. The conversation actually goes like this:

Me: "Why do you hate Sakura so much?"
Them: "Well because she is nothing more than a useless selfish fangirl who treated Naruto like crap."
Me: "You hate her cause she was obsessed with Sasuke?"
Them: "Essentially."
Me: "So, tell me, wouldn't it have been better if she got over Sasuke and say got with Naruto? It would show hr growth as a character in one aspect and at least she would be more respectable."
Them: "No, Sakura HAS to stay with Sasuke and Naruto HAS to go with Hinata. That is how it is supposed to be."
Me: "You can't have it both ways. You can't say Sakura is bad for being obsessed with Sasuke, but then say she is not allowed to get over Sasuke because you want her to be with Sasuke. Are you even listening to yourself?"
Them: *confused* "You're just a salty pairing fan"
Me: *sighs*

It is one of the biggest double standards in the fandom right now with the pro-enders. It is in the top three right behind "Hinata deserves Naruto because she loves him first, but Naruto doesn't not deserve Sakura despite loving her first" and "If Sakura does it, it is bad, but if Hinata does it it is good."

This is one reason why NS should have been canon. It would have made Sakura better as a character and people would have respected her, but god forbid we make Sakura get over the one thing that people hate her for. It is such a big hypocrisy that they wanted SS to be canon so bad, but not have Sakura be in love with Sasuke anymore. Like, so you WANT SS to exist simply for procreation and not love.

Meanwhile, save for the sites you listed, most other anime sites are starting to say that SS and NH are a bad idea and at best SS was a bad idea and maybe NS would have been better.

This is why I say these people secretly want NS canon even though they won't admit it. At least, they know it would have been better deep down and won't admit it.
 

 

 

Remember, even in the Last the movie that was suppose to show the glory of nH and why they are the perfect pairing that had to happen. The person that was pushing them together was Sakura. The reason she was helping nH get together because she was 'with' Sasuke. Without Sakura help Hinata would have given up because she thought Naruto's scarf was from another woman he was with.

 

If you've seen any amount of Boruto it is made abundantly clear that none of team seven just hangs out like the other teams may do, they have no close relationship, and would only meet under professional circumstances...When the entire point of the second part was bringing them back together because they were just so close they are all basically family. Part of the reason for this is Kishimoto was bitter when setting up Boruto, but by now most of it is they are terrified of using Sakura for more then anything other then as Salad's mom.

 
The other great tragedy of this series. Instead of a team 7 reunion, we got "Hinata and her obsessed thirst for Naruto's D***"

 

Edited by James S Cassidy, 09 April 2019 - 03:32 PM.

[HalfDemonInuyasha]

Would you guys argue that Part II in terms of the anime (Shippuden) did more for it's characters up to Pain Arc than Kishi did in the manga?

 

For example: 

 

The Sora Arc  - Big Character piece for Asuma before his death in the Hidan and Kakuzu Arc (in many ways made it more emotional)

 

Three Tails Arc -    Showcased a conflict between Orochimaru and the Akatsuki (which never really happened in the manga). That and the other members like Team Kuranai and Team Asuma got somewhat of a spotlight.  

 

6 Tails Arc  - Naruto meeting another Jinchuriki (other than Gaara), and getting to know their character.  

 

 

 

 

things like that. 

Those were fillers that I actually didn't mind because they helped fill in some holes from the manga. The Sora Arc emphasizing Naruto wanting to get stronger with his "own power", the Shinobi Guard arc giving us more insight into Hiruzen and Asuma's relationship and making Asuma's subsequent death more meaningful, the Three Tails arc showing Team Eight as a whole (not just Hinatatas, who gets herself captured like a typical helpless damsel) still exists, and the Six Tails arc emphasizing the master-student relationship ala Naruto and Jiraiya.

[Bail o' Lies]

Would you guys argue that Part II in terms of the anime (Shippuden) did more for it's characters up to Pain Arc than Kishi did in the manga?

The gag manga explored more of the cast then the manga did. The manga doesn't really focus on anyone other then team seven (and the arc relevant side characters) and look how they turned out. He couldn't even do a decent story for FOUR characters!

I don't know why those sites are into NH in the first place. 

They identify with either Naruto or Hinata, they project themselves into them, and used them for their weird entitled fantasies.

Edited by Bail o' Lies, 11 April 2019 - 03:26 AM.

[Bryon_Konoha_Ninja]

The gag manga explored more of the cast then the manga did. The manga doesn't really focus on anyone other then team seven (and the arc relevant side characters) and look how they turned out. He could even do a decent story for FOUR characters!

 

They identify with either Naruto or Hinata, they project themselves into them, and used them for their weird entitled fantasies.

 

Shows you how Naruto SD: Rock Lee and his Ninja Pals! did better than the canon series, as well as how sad the people on those sites are.

[Phantom_999]

Those were fillers that I actually didn't mind because they helped fill in some holes from the manga. The Sora Arc emphasizing Naruto wanting to get stronger with his "own power", the Shinobi Guard arc giving us more insight into Hiruzen and Asuma's relationship and making Asuma's subsequent death more meaningful, the Three Tails arc showing Team Eight as a whole (not just Hinatatas, who gets herself captured like a typical helpless damsel) still exists, and the Six Tails arc emphasizing the master-student relationship ala Naruto and Jiraiya.

 

Well truth be told, if you consider ANY manga-based anime with fillers episodes in them is meant to actually develop characters and NOT MERELY to waste your time for the manga to get ahead with the story, ANY anime does a better job with development than the manga. It's a matter of perspective, and I don't consider it development personally because NO filler arcs ever has the character development alluded to when they get back to the canon story. the criteria for me regarding character development and such in a canon relevant story is that it has to stick, but in filler episodes one of two things happen. either the canon development or powers/abilities and skills are not used nor matter just to create drama or, the fillers episodes are irrelevant in the grand scheme of things because the story arcs canon to the manga don't even give the development from fillers a second thought or time in the daylight. But that is just my opinion

Edited by Phantom_999, 14 April 2019 - 02:22 PM.

[RulesofNature]

 

I don't know why those sites are into NH in the first place. Was anyone in "Hooked on Hinata" mode or something?

 

(exhales) Confirmation bias. Most likely explanation. They saw Hinata and how she adored Naruto at a time when Sakura still thought he was annoying. As such, they wanted NaruHina to happen in order to give him something good in his life. They kept telling themselves that she would have all this development, all this growth (and not just in her chest) ultimately resulting in her becoming the underdog heroine of the series who rises up.

 

That's what they wanted out of the series, and as such it colored their views on it. Much like how fanfic writers tend to write Sasuke as an egotistical prick who loves shoving his superiority in Naruto's face during Part I. Any event or action that could be seen as supportive of their ship became magnified, while the parts of the story that speak out against it fell to the wayside. They fail to see the whole picture here, I'd even argue they don't even see the picture itself. Just their own twisted version of it.

 

I see the same thing with people insanely upset about Gundam IBO's ending.