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[Phantom_999]

I have noticed many NaruSaku fans hate Sasuke  and wanted his death for many reasons

1 - Sometimes he is more important than the protagonist and steal the spotlight from Naruto
2 - He is the main obstacle for NaruSaku
3 - He is Naruto's Rival
4 - Naruto lost to him many times and wasn't able to win against him in the final battle.
4 - Naruto also lost in the "love" against Sasuke.
5 - He stole Sakura from Naruto although he never did anything to her while Naruto did everything for Her.


But The main reason:
His crimes and the fact he received a free pass and still was able to impregnate sakura and receive a family


But many narusaku fans  gave a free pass to Obito. Obito didn't tried to kill Rin
But obito's crimes are far worse than Sasuke.

I find this a little hypocritical..

Sasuke's Crimes:

Joined in Akatsuki and tried to capture Hachibi
Killed 5 or 8 unimportant samurais
fought against the Gokage
Tried to kill Sakura, Kakashi and Naruto.

Obito's crimes:

Attacked a mother giving birth,trying to kill a newborn baby,rip out a bijju from a helpless weakened mother's body,not to mention that mother was his own sensei's wife.
Obito Attempts to kill a baby by blowing it up with an explosive tag
Obito unleashed Fox on village making him directly responsible for everyone that died then, helped to kill his own clan

Attempted to destroy all the world, directly responsible for starting a war against the shinobi world making him responsible for 10,000 deaths, helped form and corrupted Akatsuki, manipulated Akatsuki and Nagato to capture all the jinchuurikis. Revived the Juubi  and Killed more  thousands people when became Juubi's Jinchuuriki.


Obito wasn't punished too. Obito only died as punishment.
Well this isn't a punishment. Since in afterlife he was rewarded with Rin and Obito still gets to spend the rest of his afterlife with her.

Obito deserved to burn in hell  to pay his sins not be rewarded  with Rin.
Naruto still pardoned Obito's crimes and defended the criminal after his death with the  stupidest lines I have ever read in this manga, if not the stupidest ever:
"he was the coolest guy"  just because Obito was similar to him and had the same Hokage dream.

 

So did you thinks most of the Narusakus fans  gave a free pass to Obito because he is the main Naruto "parallel" while Rin is Sakura "parallel"  and ObiRin helped NaruSaku?
Or NaruSaku fans hates Obito too?

Not just Obito, But also Gaara fits as well   with his crimes but he isn't a NaruSaku parallel    or the problem is just Sasuke  because  NaruSaku ?

 

 

 

Yes it is hypocritical. I see no need to debate that. HOWEVER, there are those that would excuse Sasuke's actions because he's "hawt", so it's not that lopsided truth be told   

[Legend054]

they were both 100% insane and had a rough past. obito had a choice yes. he was not forced by madara to do anything but he was brainwashed. he turned to madara because he thought he could bring rin back to life. obito obviously loved her so much going as far as to ask madara for help and vowing to do anything in return. why did he trust madara? because madara promised him a perfect world, where there's no pain and suffering. wouldn't that be a good thing? obito thought so and he would then grow up to take on madara's ideals. all that time, he thought he was doing the right thing. can u really blame his ignorance? by the time he attacked konaha, his mind was already corrupted. he simply followed what he believed was right. but at least in the end he was able to realize it was all wrong. he did try to make things right by helping defeat madara. again im not excusing his actions, he still did it out of ignorance. he deserved to punished for his crimes, but what good would it do if he's already changed? yes sasuke should serve jail time, but what good would it do now if he's also changed man? again im not excusing his actions nor do i support it. no one here supported their actions. just trying to make my point clear. based on morals i hated their actions but not their character

Edited by Legend054, 17 October 2016 - 02:16 AM.

[AHK]

Itachi told Sasuke to grow his hatred. Those were the last words Sasuke heard from his only brother after the massacre. What else was Sasuse supposed to do. No one was exactly there for him to teach him love. Everytime he met Itachi, his hatred would become stronger. And who taught him or motivated him to do that? I'm not saying it was entirely Itachi's fault. But it was partly because of him that made Sasuke who he is. Why would you tell your brother to hate not love? Itachi admitted it himself. He tried to shoulder everything, but it led Sasuke to darkness because of that. Everyone always have a choice, so I'm not justifying Sasuke's actions. All I'm saying is, Itachi drove Sasuke to develop hatred. Naruto at least had Iruka.

 

Everyone had a choice. Obito had the option to go back to the village after Rin's death, but chose to trust Madara instead.

 

 

 

Not to mention Itachi tortured a kid Sasuke mentally, then he went insane years later. Both Obito and Sasuke were tortured mentally, but i'm not gonna argue who had it worse.

So? He still had a choice. What was he supposed to do, you ask? How about anything else? Sasuke had plenty of people on his side, he was seen in a sympathetic light by literally everybody, he was a prince of the village just by being alive. A bunch of people were in his corner, and he rejected them all. Hell, Kakashi took him under his wing and tried to teach him. Kakashi threw Naruto and Sakura to the side, especially Naruto, like trash just to focus on Sasuke, and he still rejected it all. Sasuke's situation was entirely his fault, and his fault alone. He made a series of choices, all of which were the wrong ones. It doesn't matter who said what to him, in the end he made his own choices.

 

 

Obito chose too. You're just making excuses. No one made him return to Madara's lair and no one made him continue on with the plan for many years after Madara died. Yes, Sasuke could have chosen to stay, but Obito had years to realize" "OMG, what the hell am I doing?" But nah. Even after he manipulates Nagato and visits hell on Konaha (in part because he ridiculously blames the 4th for not saving Rin). I also wonder how deep the manipulation lasted past Madara's death because Obito did seem intent on screwing Madara over at the end. He didn't care one whit about the truth.

 

But, you say, Madara had already done so fantastical a job of manipulating him that he was a lost cause. Itachi murdered every one Sasuke cared about and purposefully offed him parents in front of his face. He then purposely placed him on the path of hate in order to achieve his own penance.  When Itachi returned he needlessly humiliated and tortured Sasuke in order to make sure he stayed on this path. That it didn't occurred over a period of time doesn't take away from how traumatic and defining the event was.

 

Of course, none of this excuses Sasuke behavior. He did terrible things and should have faced retribution for them. His "redemption" is so unsatisfying because he's never held accountable for anything and his "redemptive" act was done out of pure self-interest. He didn't do it to atone, he did it because Madara/Kaguya winning ended his ambitions. However, Obito isn't held to account for anything. He gets to choose his own death and in the afterlife is returned to what is essentially his "untainted" form. He gets to meet Rin again and she says...absolutely nothing about his entire adult life where he ruined countless lives because he couldn't deal with loss.

 

One of the reasons the tail end of Part 2 is so bad is that no one is held accountable for anything, except for maybe Madara. Kishimoto is so invested in the redemption narrative that common sense appeared to take a permanent vacation. 

 

As to the question of who is worse...well, deeds matter. Posters here can wax all day long about intent, but actual actions matter and Obito's are so much worse. I don't think it's even debatable. 

 

 

 

 

Mistake is an understatement. It was cruel. Even if you think Itachi's choice was the best of a bad bunch, there was really no good reason to make it a point to kill their parents in front of Sasuke.

Again, no he didn't. The choice was already made for him. It may have seemed like he had a choice following Rin's death, but he really didn't. Madara made that choice for him when he manufactured Rin's death. Not to mention he was wearing a Zetsu suit, so even if he wanted to leave, he wouldn't have been able to you. Whereas Sasuke had a clear and definite opportunity to make the right choice, Obito never had that. Obito's choices were much more marred in grey because of his situation. 

 

As far as Sasuke and Obito's deeds, there really isn't a point in arguing them. As I stated earlier in the thread, Sasuke is just as responsible for the death of all those who died in the war as Obito is.