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#21 Phantom_999

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Posted 02 March 2021 - 06:01 PM

I know there's a distinction, as explained, I just find the distinction lacking in foresight consistency, and I can't be the only one thinking that, can I?


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Posted 02 March 2021 - 06:31 PM

I wouldnt put any stock in The Last. Especially when apparently they had Naruto use Shadow Clones at half the age that he could barely do one at, and they had him as someone who saved Hinata in a forest when we know that bull didnt happen. Far as Ive learned, the host dies, Kurama dies and vice versa.

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Posted 02 March 2021 - 06:46 PM

kurama could leave naruto in the last as well it's the extraction that kills i think, also kurama said this method of suicide doesn't kill naruto


And why doesnt it since the connection between the host and the hosted spirit is the same?

What's the difference between extraction & suicide mechanics?

This is just a BS way to justify them retconning another plot mechanic from the old story.

Cuz in essence, be it suicide or extraction point still stands: the life of the host and hosted are intertwined and if you take one, you take the other as well.

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Posted 02 March 2021 - 07:03 PM

Is it just me or has pretty much everyone, including the NH fanatics that helped shoehorn that joke of an ending, abandoned this series?


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Posted 02 March 2021 - 11:35 PM

Is it just me or has pretty much everyone, including the NH fanatics that helped shoehorn that joke of an ending, abandoned this series?

 

I'd say there are still some around, though jut about all who aren't fully die hard NH or didn't care about pairings have probably already left



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Posted 03 March 2021 - 01:35 AM

Yeah the only ones left are the ones that worship Hinata as their goddesses.

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Posted 03 March 2021 - 03:05 AM

Haha, but that's just it though. HInata is NOWHERE to be seen, much less showcased alongside Naruto in any meaningful capacity. It's almost as if the writers realized that writing Naruto and Hinata together is extremely hard without breaking character (which has been done enough already) given the UTTER lack of chemistry between the two! :lmao:


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Posted 03 March 2021 - 04:30 AM

And why doesnt it since the connection between the host and the hosted spirit is the same?

What's the difference between extraction & suicide mechanics?

This is just a BS way to justify them retconning another plot mechanic from the old story.

Cuz in essence, be it suicide or extraction point still stands: the life of the host and hosted are intertwined and if you take one, you take the other as well.

Imagine if some random bijuu could just suicide rather than get caught by the Akatsuki. That would be the end of the plan right there.

 

Also if you're writing this, why not kill Naruto here? Does he really have something else meaningful to do? Wouldn't it be worth it to have a moment with some actual emotion?

 

Let's be real, Naruto is the only one who gives a crap about Kurama.


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Posted 03 March 2021 - 08:58 AM

I know there's a distinction, as explained, I just find the distinction lacking in foresight consistency, and I can't be the only one thinking that, can I?

I think it is clear that either Kodaichi before he left or Kishimoto realized going into this fight that the entire audience could predict what was going to happen (since the first chapter forces them to do it). "Naruto would die sacrificing his life trying to save the love of his life (Sasuke) and their children (bolt and nail), but would still fail in the end because Nail would be re-infected with the Karma seal forcing an inevitable SNS 2.0." So, they tried to subvert those expectations by "Nail not being re-infected and Kurama dying instead of Naruto." For now.

 

The thing is this was clearly decided either right before or during the writing of the fight so their wasn't much time spent making work as making an excuse and hoping people would go along with it.

 
If it was Kodaichi. Then Kishimoto got the story from notes as well as Ikemoto knew from discussions before Kodaichi was fired, and likely doesn't understand fully what going on.
If it was Kishimoto. Then I would say he's trying to get through this battle as fast as he can so he can figure out what to do while writing the downtime chapter.

Is it just me or has pretty much everyone, including the NH fanatics that helped shoehorn that joke of an ending, abandoned this series?

Well, there isn't anything to keep their attention. The anime had one good fight -based off the movie-  around episode 50 and then endless filler for 175 episodes. And the manga...is the manga. The story? What story!? Kaguya's clan? Non-stop Daddy issues? Akatsuki without the sexy bad boys? SNS 2.0? All the kids have all their parents powers without any effort? Pairings redux? Hell the pairing they wanted to happen are awful and the best moments come off as familial obligations instead of love.

And why doesn't it since the connection between the host and the hosted spirit is the same?

What's the difference between extraction & suicide mechanics?

This is just a BS way to justify them retconning another plot mechanic from the old story.

Cuz in essence, be it suicide or extraction point still stands: the life of the host and hosted are intertwined and if you take one, you take the other as well.

I would say the differences is between forcibly pulling something out and something just evaporating. One will harm the container the other may not.

 

The problem like the Bayron mode this is poorly explained...wait this is the after effect of that mode, so this is still the fault of that stupid mode! Any ways because it so poorly explained people can only make guess what happened. Like when they introduced Baryon mode I had to guess how it was different (fullburn) from sage (enhancement) or coat (exchange) mode.

 

Imagine if some random bijuu could just suicide rather than get caught by the Akatsuki. That would be the end of the plan right there.

 

Also if you're writing this, why not kill Naruto here? Does he really have something else meaningful to do? Wouldn't it be worth it to have a moment with some actual emotion?

 

Let's be real, Naruto is the only one who gives a crap about Kurama.

Beside the audience apparently.

 

Subverting expectation and trying to bring some form of a pulse to this story that was completely on rails before. Die in a way that boost sales while traumatizing Nail. That would require both good writing and Ikemoto being able to convey those emotions.  

 

Haha, but that's just it though. HInata is NOWHERE to be seen, much less showcased alongside Naruto in any meaningful capacity. It's almost as if the writers realized that writing Naruto and Hinata together is extremely hard without breaking character (which has been done enough already) given the UTTER lack of chemistry between the two! :lmao:

Well, that's what happens when you put two character that barely ever interacted are put together and relationship is consider perfect before any development even happens. Such as saying "hello, how are you."


Edited by Bail o' Lies, 03 March 2021 - 09:17 AM.


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Posted 14 March 2021 - 10:57 PM

Apparently the next chapter is going to be called "What to Inherit"



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Posted 14 March 2021 - 11:38 PM

Apparently the next chapter is going to be called "What to Inherit"

Since the title is normally name dropped in what is suppose to be the 'meaningful' speech of the chapter. It going to be the fallout chapter with Naruto dealing with no more kurama's powers. After some navel gazing will probably concluded about what Bolt will truly inherits from Naruto. Blah Blah Blah something about guts kindness or resolve.



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Posted 16 March 2021 - 11:41 PM

Since the title is normally name dropped in what is suppose to be the 'meaningful' speech of the chapter. It going to be the fallout chapter with Naruto dealing with no more kurama's powers. After some navel gazing will probably concluded about what Bolt will truly inherits from Naruto. Blah Blah Blah something about guts kindness or resolve.

 

Honestly, it's beyond retarded that the author is doing this to the hero of the 4th great ninja war and inheritor of the sage of six path powers. Naruto should be a god tier shinobi at this point. If I were writing, Naruto would be to almost everyone else what Alucard is to everyone else in Hellsing; damn near unbeatable. Instead, they have turned him into a massive joke who needs to get saved by his whiny genin son. The real Naruto should at this point be able to solo every single Boruto antagonist without breaking a sweat. What happened to the dude who defeated a former Raikage with JUST a shadow clone while the real one was off chasing Obito? The only reason they are killing Kurama off is because whoever is writing this has NO IDEA how to create tension with an extremely powerful protagonist present. The writer needs to stop nerfing Naruto/Sasuke and simply read other stories that handle this problem (Hunter x Hunter to give an example). They don't NEED to keep involving Naruto in this crap. From what I understand, he's still never solved world peace per his goal in the original story. Maybe make him too occupied with that goal to deal with the street level sh-t Boruto has to deal with. While Boruto keeps fighting his lame villains, maybe have Naruto on the other side of the planet quelling hurricanes, using his 1000s of shadowclones to rebuild villages and negotiating world peace with other countries. In other words, a LEGITIMATE reason not to be around instead of the BS paper work excuse (which I'm convinced is just an excuse to fool around with Sakura, but I digress).


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Posted 17 March 2021 - 03:59 AM

Boruto  copy Cell Saga  :hm:



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Posted 17 March 2021 - 11:55 AM

Boruto  copy Cell Saga  :hm:

...Kurama's death or something else?

 

Honestly, it's beyond retarded that the author is doing this to the hero of the 4th great ninja war and inheritor of the sage of six path powers. Naruto should be a god tier shinobi at this point. If I were writing, Naruto would be to almost everyone else what Alucard is to everyone else in Hellsing; damn near unbeatable. Instead, they have turned him into a massive joke who needs to get saved by his whiny genin son. The real Naruto should at this point be able to solo every single Boruto antagonist without breaking a sweat. What happened to the dude who defeated a former Raikage with JUST a shadow clone while the real one was off chasing Obito? The only reason they are killing Kurama off is because whoever is writing this has NO IDEA how to create tension with an extremely powerful protagonist present. The writer needs to stop nerfing Naruto/Sasuke and simply read other stories that handle this problem (Hunter x Hunter to give an example). They don't NEED to keep involving Naruto in this crap. From what I understand, he's still never solved world peace per his goal in the original story. Maybe make him too occupied with that goal to deal with the street level sh-t Boruto has to deal with. While Boruto keeps fighting his lame villains, maybe have Naruto on the other side of the planet quelling hurricanes, using his 1000s of shadowclones to rebuild villages and negotiating world peace with other countries. In other words, a LEGITIMATE reason not to be around instead of the BS paper work excuse (which I'm convinced is just an excuse to fool around with Sakura, but I digress).

While I agree with you on a lot of this you are wrong about some stuff. The villains are not street level goons. Even the Molding Cannibal was a S rank missing nin and Cyborg Ao was a former bodyguard of a Kage. And those are the ones Bolt beat without Naruto or Sasuke being around. Kara has been stated to be more dangerous & powerful then Kaguya and the first villains from the movie were members of her clan. The problem is Boruto is facing God tier and beyond villains to justify Naruto and Sasuke fighting along side him because this stories power scale is kittened.

 

As for Naruto's power level. Even in the manga it been made clear Naruto's has gone to rust in terms of skill and relies too much on Kurama. I blame being married to Hinata myself.

 

As for Naruto and Sasuke losing their sage powers being bad writing. I still don't know if it was Kodaichi's or Kishimoto's doing but I'll say this. The entire story so far has been generic by the numbers shlock. It feels like someone finally realized this and tried to shake things up as best they could. The problem is when that happened Naruto had already activated suicided power up mode. So, they had to find a work around to keep him alive because killing him then was too predictable. So lose Kurama and since Naruto lost his power up Sasuke had to lose his as well.



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Posted 17 March 2021 - 01:55 PM

Spoilers for 56 are out

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Posted 17 March 2021 - 02:58 PM

...Kurama's death or something else?

 

While I agree with you on a lot of this you are wrong about some stuff. The villains are not street level goons. Even the Molding Cannibal was a S rank missing nin and Cyborg Ao was a former bodyguard of a Kage. And those are the ones Bolt beat without Naruto or Sasuke being around. Kara has been stated to be more dangerous & powerful then Kaguya and the first villains from the movie were members of her clan. The problem is Boruto is facing God tier and beyond villains to justify Naruto and Sasuke fighting along side him because this stories power scale is kittened.

 

As for Naruto's power level. Even in the manga it been made clear Naruto's has gone to rust in terms of skill and relies too much on Kurama. I blame being married to Hinata myself.

 

As for Naruto and Sasuke losing their sage powers being bad writing. I still don't know if it was Kodaichi's or Kishimoto's doing but I'll say this. The entire story so far has been generic by the numbers shlock. It feels like someone finally realized this and tried to shake things up as best they could. The problem is when that happened Naruto had already activated suicided power up mode. So, they had to find a work around to keep him alive because killing him then was too predictable. So lose Kurama and since Naruto lost his power up Sasuke had to lose his as well.

 

I positively refuse to read/watch this garbage, so apologies for the inaccuracies. :lmao:  Somehow, I had merely assumed that the writers would have enough sense to restrict Boruto's enemies to being more street level as opposed to needlessly things in a DBZ fashion. That's a massive problem in itself and is super contrived to have a bunch of guys above kaguya level show up right after Naruto and Sasuke have passed that milestone. Boruto has no business tangling with foes of that scale regardless of whatever magic eyeball powers he's been given. Even still, from the few fights I have skimmed, intelligent use of shadow clones and sage of six path abilities showcased during the war arc should make an older/wiser Naruto nigh unbeatable. I saw no sign of the creativity/brilliance that the original Naruto was known for and simply saw someone who was trying his best to be the drunken version of a poor man's DBZ character who has hit rock bottom.

 

Maybe he has gotten rusty, but it feels more like a cheap justification to needlessly depower him in order to create artificial tension as opposed to finding legitimate ways to do it. Maybe if the manga would acknowledge that Hinata's passiveness has made Naruto soft/lazy, I would be more willing to give this kind of crap a pass. But then if did that, maybe people would start to suspect that those two aren't so perfect together after all and maybe pairing him with somebody who would never put up with such sh-t would've been for the best. But then we can't have that now, can we? :no:

 

You're probably right on their thought process to what ultimately made them take away Naruto and Sasuke's powers, but your explanation is nonetheless ample indication of the overall problem with this series. Whoever is writing it (whether it's Kishi or Kodaichi) is flying by the seat of their pants and clearly has NO IDEA where this story is headed and can only think of that lame setpiece with Boruto and Kawaki about to fight with the destroyed hidden leaf village as a backdrop. No real planning, no real foresight, NOTHING.


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Posted 17 March 2021 - 06:17 PM

Well Kishimoto is writing this on the fly now because he was put in charge. As for Kodaichi. The anime staff were apparently constantly telling him to speed it up which he refused to do, whined about critics and blamed everything wrong on everything else like not having a editor.



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Posted 17 March 2021 - 09:14 PM

...Kurama's death or something else?

 

 

Spolier 56

Boruto = Gohan

Sasuke = Piccolo

Amado = Dr.Gero

New character = Androids 


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Posted 18 March 2021 - 04:08 PM

Looks like 56 is out since I am seeing pages on twitter, but can't seem to find were to read it online

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Posted 18 March 2021 - 04:26 PM

Looks like 56 is out since I am seeing pages on twitter, but can't seem to find were to read it online

Found on viz. Give me a bit.

 

...On second thought this is cringe. It might take awhile.  


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