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Posted 29 April 2023 - 10:50 PM

You know... After recently re-reading and re-watching the series, I gotta say I think I would have honestly rather seen Sakura with Rock Lee than anyone else. After Lee's fight with Gaara, we really got to see how caring and gentle she can be with those she sees as friends, and that she's not a monster like she's made out to be by NH / Hinata fans. While it wasn't really a big ship from what I remember, I do believe the LeeSaku moments were some of the best interactions in the series on a character-to-character level. Of course, there were other moments that outdo them later on, but I would honestly love to see Sakura and Lee get more attention if the series ever got a reboot or something. 
 
I mean, even if it's too straightforward, Lee literally approached Sakura and asked her to be his girlfriend the second he saw her in the hallway of the Chuniin Exams. Can we all agree a brother at least deserves a chance with the girl for being THAT brave right off the bat? The guy didn't waste a second! He literally saw the girl he likes, approached her, asked her to be his girlfriend, then was shot down like a bomber over AAA guns in WWII. The guy deserves AT LEAST a pat on the back if nothing else! 


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Posted 29 April 2023 - 10:50 PM

Same with Bakugo.  He's been nothing but a complete bastard towards Deku since they were kids and now he's trying to make amends for it by apologizing to him for everything that he's done and genuinely trying to look out for him, even when he told All Might that he knows that won't be enough to atone for his abuse. 

Worse, they(and by extension, Kishimoto) excuse his actions by simply shifting the blame over to external forces and pretend that he had no agency in his decisions whatsoever.    Sasuke betrayed Konoha?  Oh, it's not his fault, it's Orochimaru's.   Sasuke wants to destroy the Leaf Village?  Oh, Obito put that idea in his head, so it's not his fault.  Sasuke killing a Hokage? Uhhh...?(MOVING ON!) Sasuke being insane and trying to kill his former friends at any given turn?  Oh well, Uchihas are genetically dispositioned to lose their sanity because their capacity for love is too great for them to mentally process. :twitch:   

That's what i like about my hero the characters know they screwed up and are trying to make up for it and they know it won't be easy

i blame kishimoto mostly for the sasuke getting off easy since he broke the rules over and over just to save sasuke 



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Posted 30 April 2023 - 05:39 PM

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Was just thinking about this the other day again after a long time, and the synergy is definitely there even though The Lost Tower is non-canon  you can definitely sense something between Naruto & Sara. 

 

 

 

Not to mention  NaruSara would be considered the modern day incarnation both metaphorically and literally to MinaKushi. 

While I respect your crackship, words cannot describe how much I hate almost every Naruto Movie. the only ones that escape this hatred are RTN, The first and the 3rd. 

I just cannot stand the fact that every movie has to introduce some random chick and already established characters that could have gotten a spotlight are disappeared for the half the movie,  :hm:


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Posted 30 April 2023 - 06:27 PM

While I respect your crackship, words cannot describe how much I hate almost every Naruto Movie. the only ones that escape this hatred are RTN, The first and the 3rd. 

I just cannot stand the fact that every movie has to introduce some random chick and already established characters that could have gotten a spotlight are disappeared for the half the movie,  :hm:


No worries! I do agree that when it comes to the Naruto movies outsdie of RTN, Will of Fire, and the first Thats definitely one thing where Im like okay basic formula run down. It honestly kind of annoys me when it comes to the movies outside of the ones we mentioned.

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Posted 01 May 2023 - 03:15 AM

This is a little too far.
Thats why SS fans never was friendly and despise NS fans like they do with Naruto Fanboys. They hates  be judged as a persons because their preferences over a fictional pairing. They have  Sasuke/Sakura as a favorites characters and consider their moments and the appeal  better than NS.
 
 
 

I'm only calling delusional people who thinks the franchise went into decline because NaruSaku died or thinks NaruSaku was the peak of sales. The current Naruto fandom and Sakura fandom couldn't care less about NaruSaku... Most of the  Boruto complains are about the kitten story, battles, poor story pacing,alliens and Sasuke/Naruto nerfs.
 

Honestly if you people wanted some type of discussion in this forum it's better to accept contrary opinions. Not Just:
"Sakura was ruinned"
"SasuSaku is abusive and their fans sick people"
"Boruto is bad and Kishimoto is ruinned because Naruto didn't got Sakura at the end"
"Hinata ruined the series"
 
At least  the Hinata popularity ghost proved wrong now.    :zaru:
 
 

 
 
Some few Sakura Fans from NS side are still alive. But now they are inside SS fandom , multishipping SS and helping SS fans to hate Hinata... if one of these "NS fans" dares to call Sakura a fangirl, stupid for loving Sasuke over Naruto or SasuSaku abusive like in this forum. They are simply expelled/canceled  from the Fandom and more attacked than Hinatards and Naruto Fanboys.
 
SS has thousends of contents, fanarts, SS Artists and pages with 20/40/50/100K of followers etc.
Most the NS artists and content simply stopped after 2014. LadyGT the most famous NS artist simply abandoned Naruto.  I only see ChatteGeorgiana and some few small NaruSaku pages and when they dare to criticize SasuSaku. SS fans come in mass to attack them. SS fandom still has plenty of Hatred against NS fans who call SS abusive.

Most of the "pure blood" NaruSaku fans simply moved on, doesn't care about the series or even hates Sakura. Sakura is ruinned and the series is dead to them. I know that because Sakura received a massive hate back in 2014/2015 in this forum and most of these NS fans abandoned the series and the forum.
 
 
"Just because you're a fan of Sakura doesn't mean you have to follow a kitten cashgrab after an equally sloppy and disgusting ending. Read. Other. Things. Turn to fanfiction. Don't throw money into a trashcan."
 
I think hard to believe the few old NaruSaku fans helped too much in this votation when is very hard to to find them outside here. But SasuSaku fandom have help from Sasuke fans, female fans and some trolls in One Piece Fandom.

Meant to post this a few days sooner, but was busy so posting it now.

Don't act like ss fans are Saints or victims in all this. They haven't all been friendly with us ethier and they teamed up with a fandom that dispised sakura just because they saw our ship as the bigger threat. Despite our warnings they teaming up with them and allowing them bash us would reduce Sakura's role and staus as a heroine, which it did. You have them judging us as well acusing us of on only supporting ns because naruto is an entitled nice guy, when most of us just like the characters together and feel they treat eachother better. Or they have gall to call our ship abusive because sakura punches naruto, when that is just typical tsundere humour in anime and they ship literally had sasuke try to kill her multiple times.

No one was saying that narusaku was the majority of the fandome or the sole reason why the series went into decline, but making nh and ss canon and the way did it help start the whole decline. Also the naruto fandom isn't what it was before it is much smaller and the bad writing decisions now that you are listing is only going to make it smaller.

Nobody is saying they don't want discussions or against different opinions, however going on about how we shouldn't trash ss because its popular isn't going to an opinion well liked here. As well as telling we need to accept its canon so we can enjoy future content with sakura in it, when it its clear we aren't going to do that.

None us think the ending or canon ships are good so you are bond to get similar views on those subjects are discussed, there might be some disagreements of when the series went bad but that it. However that is not always discussed here as there are other threads for debates on etheir the naruto series or outside it if you look. Who knows the minato manga might actually add something positive to discuss in naruto for all we know.

Yes hianta popularity has been exposed to have been overrated, still doesn't mean that ss is good.

Yes there some that flipped to ss just because they became canon, however most of us did not and won't switch just because it canon or its fanbase has become bigger. I don't care what they do if someone critises there ship, not going to change how I or other feel about it here.

The quantity of the fan fic and fanart ss has does not change the problems with the canon writing of the ss ship has. Yes many ns artists and fans left naruto after the series ended, understandable given what happened. Doesnt mean those that are still around don't enjoy it regardless of the size, which is al9t more bigger than you think with some coming back to celebrate events like April 3rd.

Like I said we don't care if we get attacked by ss fans or troll like khon won't change are mind about the problems with have with the ss. Heck we aren't the only fandom within naruto that does, though I see plenty of them jumping to conclusions that it's always ns when that's not the case.

I hardly saw anyone on these forums hate or dislike sakura, at best 1 or 2 people. Most narusaku fans are sakura fans first that don't ship ss and hate its writing. They are more likely to critise that than the character herself.

Then clearly you aren't looking in the right places because I knew quite a fews fans from narusaku that did vote for her. She probably would of gotten more votes from them if not for the worry of the one shot being another bad ss story.

  

I can agree. SS was beyond any repair if Sasuke tried to harm Sakura in Part 1, during the War and as Adults.

They weren't in a relationship during Kage Summit.
Sasuke wasn't mentally sane in the arc. Sakura was the one who hunted Sasuke to "free Naruto from the promisse".
If Sakura stayed at Konoha or  didn't have that stupid plan to kill him, Sasuke never will come closer to her. Both SS/NS and Sakura's characters were destroyed in Kage Summit.  But NS was much more hated in Japan because fake confession and SS fans managed to retain their fanbase and popularity from part 1 also they always have  plenty of confidence in Sasuke's return...

You should have abondoned the series when a serial killer like Gaara become the president of his country, a genocide and child abuser like Itachi becomed the "Hero", Neji tortured and almost Killed Hinata in part 1 or even better Obito the Minato and Kushina's killer becomed the "coolest guy" for Naruto.
 
Sasuke's redemption was destinated to happen and SasuSaku will have some conclusion. Sasuke and Sakura never will end the story as enemies and Sakura sad with him. I agree Kishimoto coud work far better at this instead of rush everything in 699 or make NaruSaku instead of SS.

At this point the only content envolving Sakura are related to Sarada or SS. So if you really hates SasuSaku and any type of material who tries to fix their relationship like novels, Retsuden and Anime Moments and only wants to see Sakura with Nardo. There's nothing to do anymore. Sakura's character  is really dead for you.
Unless a NaruSaku reboots comes out.

 

 
At least she isn't the  housewife who gave up her Kunoichi life and medical work like so many people bashed her when the 700 chapter comes out with Sakura using a apron. She is still capable to balance the housewife work with the hospital/Missions.
 
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Even if you don't include the kage summit there is still alot of problematic things with ss even in part 1. Post ending is way too absent in her life to be believable that they are married. War arc he gave no care for sakura or her wellbeing, didn't is she lived or not, said she was useless multiple times and 693 is no way good. Part 1 while yes should some care, he mostly found her annoying and rejected her.

Sasuke mental state is no exuses regardless if it was sakura, karin naruto or anyone else. What little choice did sakura feel at the time when sasuke was a part of the terrorist organisation that was hunting down naruto and tried to destroy the village. Not to mention sasuke was planing to kill everyone.

Everything I hear from Japan that narusaku was considered the golden paring the one execpted to be canon. So even if it did get some negative reaction to the confession it wouldn't have been a problem in the long run and got addressed.
Also the popularity of ss does not exuse the crap sasuke sis to sakura which was worse than anything the confession did or did not.

Just because something is considered popular doesn't make it good, like reylo from star wars popular ship but hated outside its fanbase or in politics you one politician popular with his/her voting base but hated by the genreal public and can't win an election.

Not everyone like the writing of these characters (though I think gara and nejiare alright, itachi got too much hero worship and should of been called out and not a fan of naruto saying that about obito), but they weren't enter into any romantic relationship with the people they abused unlike ss.

Just because sasuke wasn't going to be evil in the end doesn't mean he should of gotten with sakura. If you know 699 wasn't good and narusaku should of happened, don't defend sasusaku's bad writing.

There is so much you can do with sakura's character not involving ss and sadara, like with tsunade, ino, naruto, sai, kakashi and lee characters she has bonds with etc. Also frankly all that material none of it addresses the problematic aspects of their relationship and in some cases makes it worse, we just get cringe material.

I'd be open up to a naruto reboot or alternative ending with ns, as long as Ikemoto is not writing it and Kishimoto or whoever actually puts care into the work.

We rarely see her do that and only see her do that stuff in spin off material, why do you think so many got angry, not everyone is going to read it so 700 was the lasting impression which is not good.

Edited by BlueStarSaber, 01 May 2023 - 10:38 AM.


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Posted 01 May 2023 - 07:19 PM

If you can't find Narusaku fans outside this forum, maybe its because you're not looking and able to engage with them I wonder why that might be...   [There are Narusaku Discords and instant msging services are a bit more popular than old school forums these days.]
Why are we supposed to care who the Sasusaku fandom has help from? its irrelevant.
The majority of Sasuke fans don't like Sasusaku. They like Narusasu. They like Sasuke alone. They like pretty much anything other than Sasusaku. Being a fan of Sasusaku is typically the hallmark of a Sakura-first fan. As in they care more about what Sakura wants and deserves than they do Sasuke. 
 

 

Then i want to see these groups and others NS pages in others social media.
It's hard to be a Sakura/NS fans these days when 90% of the Sakura content are about SS. Even the few artists who still likes NaruSaku are drawing SasuSaku too for attention and likes.  If you want to enjoy current Sakura, you're pratically obligated to multiship SS...

 

Most of the pairing fans are girls. So no surprise about 90% of the Sakura/SS fans being girls. Female Sasuke fans tends to loves Sakura too... We have a tie here. SS have to be a Sasuke fan to prefer Sakura with him. Just check the Sakura Tag fron them NarutoTOP 99 and count how many Sasuke votes she have.

I don't remember male Sasuke's fans hating on Sakura. They prefered to discuss against Naruto Fanboys to prove how Sasuke and the Uchihas are better than Naruto. Naruto fanboys tends to defend Hinata to hate on Sakura. it's normal to see Sasuke fans defeding Sakura since she always are devoted to Sasuke and now she is married to him.

The fandom changed. Most of the current Sasuke fans or at least people who use Sasuke's avatars and have his pages are defeding Sakura/SS. When people kitten on Sakura/SS calling Sakura stupid and how Hinata is better than Sakura, SS abusive and Sakura a single mother indirectly they are kittening on Sasuke and his story too. NaruSasu? I think hard to believe any male would serious ship a gay pairing in a Shonen. These incels are very small today and probably Hinata fans is disguise.

 

 

 

 

Oh well, goodness! I guess we're done here and you can stop trying to convince us of how great Sasusaku is, since HE DID TRY TO HARM HER multiple times

 

 

Just change the disc. Part 1/War/Post 698 SasuSaku wans't abusive.

 SS Have the absent  husband problem because Kishimoto want to self insert and showing Sasuke have the same problem as him with his Kids and wife while he was writting the manga.... (NH have the same problem)

Kage summit was the peak of Kishimoto bad writing and almost ruined team 7, Sasuke (Who was completely OOC), Sakura and everything related to her inclusing SasuSaku/NaruSaku.

Sakura was hated because that fake confession and still trying to kill Sasuke with a single Kunai and ended hesitating at the end putting Naruto/Kakashi life at risk. Judging just this arc Sakura should ended up alone or dead second Haters.

I wasn't trying to convice anyone.  You can like NS and hates on SS all you want after 7 years.
I'm just saying SS wans't the end of Sakura's character, she becomed much more popular thanks to that and her fandom is more alive than ever.

 

 

Do you see me defending Itachi? Do you see me talking about how Gaara being a previously mentally unstable 14yr old village leader seems smart?   As for Neji, you might want to leave him out of this since he actually regretted his actions, redeemed himself and DIED to become Naruhina's "Cupid". You're not going to see me applauding Obito and Naruto's sudden hero worship either. 
See, the difference between me and you seems to be that I can recognize the problems, accept the good things about the series and reject the trash. I'm not out here going "SS is Canon therefore SS is good or you don't like these characters." 

 

Kishimoto is a weak writer. He has good ideas, sloppy, lazy execution and follow through and worst of all he's weak willed. He wanted to be done with Naruto after Pein attacked and it shows more with every chapter after. 
SS's "Resolution" never had to be romantic. A simple. "I respect you but our paths are not entwined." would have done it. 
Sasuke's "Redemption" was dogkitten and absolute cringe anyways.

 

Probably you doesn't care about Gaara, Itachi, Obito, Neji and others exemples, because they weren't obstacle for NaruSaku. ...

 

Sakura/SasuSaku/NaruSaku/NaruHina/Hinata are just a fragment of Kishimoto's writing and Naruto's manga.
Even if you hate some character because they killed you fav pairing, at the end everybody likes Naruto series for different reasons.
Pairings, Powers, Fights, Lore, Uchihas.So for me doesn't make sense hate the characters or the ending forever. i don't even hate Hinata anymore aside some Hinatards

There's are plenty of future for the franchise and Sakura if they cancel Boruto, call another mangaka/Own Kishimoto to write a Part 3 continuation  or continue to produce more novels and spin off to try to milk diferents fandoms who ignores Boruto..

 

So you know Kishimoto very well. This manga is full  half assed redemptions and characters becoming  best budies with another characters who wanted to kill them not so long  time ago .
Frankly reading the manga all again, SS at the ending aren't shocking, considering the entire part 1 and Sakura's devotion. This is much better than the complet lack of development and the  genjutsu thing with NH...

NaruSaku fans ignoring Sasuke's redemption, assuming Sakura moved on from Sasuke and  only focusing at the insignificant Hinata it always was a mistake
Thats why i never considered SS dead  give Kishimoto's insistence of Sakura's feelings and the invevitable Sasuke's return.


Edited by Therece, 02 May 2023 - 02:26 AM.


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Posted 01 May 2023 - 11:27 PM

 

Then i want to see these groups and others NS pages in others social media.
It's hard to be a Sakura/NS fans these days when 90% of the Sakura content are about SS. Even the few artists who still likes NaruSaku are drawing SasuSaku too for attention and likes.  If you want to enjoy current Sakura, you're pratically obligated to multiship SS...

 

Most of the pairing fans are girls. So no surprise about 90% of the Sakura/SS fans being girls. Female Sasuke fans tends to loves Sakura too... We have a tie here. SS have to be a Sasuke fan to prefer Sakura with him. Just check the Sakura Tag fron them NarutoTOP 99 and count how many Sasuke votes she have.

 

Google: Narusaku discord, which will take you to tumblr, where you'll find the links. 

You're not obligated to like anything just because you like Sakura. That's like saying because I like Sakura I should also like the crackship OrochiSaku.

Doesn't fly for me. 
 

 

 

I don't remember male Sasuke's fans hating on Sakura. They prefered to discuss against Naruto Fanboys to prove how Sasuke and the Uchihas are better than Naruto. Naruto fanboys tends to defend Hinata to hate on Sakura. it's normal to see Sasuke fans defeding Sakura since she always are devoted to Sasuke and now she is married to him.

The fandom changed. Most of the current Sasuke fans or at least people who use Sasuke's avatars and have his pages are defeding Sakura/SS. When people kitten on Sakura/SS calling Sakura stupid and how Hinata is better than Sakura, SS abusive and Sakura a single mother indirectly they are kittening on Sasuke and his story too. NaruSasu? I think hard to believe any male would serious ship a gay pairing in a Shonen. These incels are very small today and probably Hinata fans is disguise.

 

If you don't remember how badly Sakura was hated by almost the entire fandom (And Still to this day there are plenty of people who list her as their most disliked) I can't help you. She was absolutely TRASHED from part 1 onwards just for "Being mean to Naruto" and "being a gross fangirl" and of course the most used reason "For being useless." 

Sure it has, lots of people have moved on since most of us aren't interested in cashgrab spinoffs. The fandom has largely moved on because what we were interested in was the OG cast and the story we followed since we were middle-schoolers. We grew up and got lives.  :zaru: 

Narusasu had the biggest fanbase of all. It probably still does. If you don't know it, it seems like you're pretty ignorant on the Naruto fandom outside of SS. 

ROFL "Incels" ok, I'm struggling to take you seriously now. 
 

 

Just change the disc. Part 1/War/Post 698 SasuSaku wans't abusive.

 SS Have the absent  husband problem because Kishimoto want to self insert and showing Sasuke have the same problem as him with his Kids and wife while he was writting the manga.... (NH have the same problem)

Kage summit was the peak of Kishimoto bad writing and almost ruined team 7, Sasuke (Who was completely OOC), Sakura and everything related to her inclusing SasuSaku/NaruSaku.

 

Sasuke: constantly speaking harshly to Sakura, knowing she likes him and still being a kitten and treating her like a nuisance. Proceeds to slap apples out her hands when she's trying to help him feel better. Nearly Double teams her with a Chidori/Rasengan Combo on the roof top because he got his ego a little squished by Naruto and Itachi's interest in him

Sasuke: Abandons his village and leaves Sakura laying out in the middle of kittening no where.

Sasuke: Pulls a knife on Naruto, threatens to kill them when they finally manage to track him down in pt2. 

Sasuke: Tries to Kill Sakura after blowing through Karin and killing Danzo. Then threatens to also Kill Kakashi, Makes it clear he is going to destroy Konoha and anyone related to it. (Sure she meant to kill him to but that hardly mattered considering how unhinged he was.)

Sasuke: Point blank states he doesn't love Sakura, sees no reason to love her and pretty much makes it clear that he finds her disgusting for acting like a childish little girl.

Sasuke: Gives Sakura Multiple Genjutsu of him murdering her, lets her fall into lava. 

Sasuke: Oops sorry about all that. 

YAY EVERYTHING IS FORGIVEN. 

And thats just the kittened up nonsense Sasuke does In front of or directly TO SAKURA. Nope, nothing abusive about any of this. Totally normal. 

 

 

 

 SS Have the absent  husband problem because Kishimoto want to self insert and showing Sasuke have the same problem as him with his Kids and wife while he was writting the manga.... (NH have the same problem)

Kage summit was the peak of Kishimoto bad writing and almost ruined team 7, Sasuke (Who was completely OOC), Sakura and everything related to her inclusing SasuSaku/NaruSaku.

Sakura was hated because that fake confession and still trying to kill Sasuke with a single Kunai and ended hesitating at the end putting Naruto/Kakashi life at risk. Judging just this arc Sakura should ended up alone or dead second Haters.

I wasn't trying to convice anyone.  You can like NS and hates on SS all you want after 7 years.
I'm just saying SS wans't the end of Sakura's character, she becomed much more popular thanks to that and her fandom is more alive than ever.

 

 

Yea, I'm sure thats the ONLY reason and its not at all that Kishimoto "Didn't know/want" to write them at all, which is why he didn't. Just like he didn't want to bother with NH and left it to the movie makers. This is the man who said "I don't know how to write women hurhurhur." and "Sakura would be a bad woman for abandoning her first love." Its also probably why instead of using his clones to do work and using his ACTUAL SELF to spend time with his family, Naruto seems to go out of his way to avoid them  :zaru: why, its almost like they are purposely portraying these adults and their marriages as miserable.  in fact he even picks up a random orphan boy instead of tending to his own son.

Sakura was hated because she was mean to Naruto since part one and then had the GALL to "Lie" to him and use his feelings for her as a weapon to get him to do what SHE wanted. It was manipulative and a kitten move in the eyes of people who already disliked her and then, despite doing that, when faced with Sasuke she couldn't even follow through with TRYING to end him like she'd intended. So she emotionally manipulated the Hero for no reason, and then proved herself useless once again. (these aren't my thoughts on the subject but the fandom's at the time.)

SS wasn't the end of Sakura, it just wasted her and muddled the story--I'd say nearly catastrophically but honestly Kishimoto made bigger mistakes. Aliens. Its Obito! no, its Madara! no It really was Obito disguised as Madara and now we'll Edo Tensei the real Madara!! Itachi is a villain, no he's a hero!

There you are talking about popularity again like it actually matters. Hey--Kakasaku was pretty popular back in the day too maybe that should have been canon. 

 

 

Probably you doesn't care about Gaara, Itachi, Obito, Neji and others exemples, because they weren't obstacle for NaruSaku. ...

 

Sakura/SasuSaku/NaruSaku/NaruHina/Hinata are just a fragment of Kishimoto's writing and Naruto's manga.
Even if you hate some character because they killed you fav pairing, at the end everybody likes Naruto series for different reasons.
Pairings, Powers, Fights, Lore, Uchihas.So for me doesn't make sense hate the characters or the ending forever. i don't even hate Hinata anymore aside some Hinatards

There's are plenty of future for the franchise and Sakura if they cancel Boruto, call another mangaka/Own Kishimoto to write a Part 3 continuation  or continue to produce more novels and spin off to try to milk diferents fandoms who ignores Boruto..

 

So you know Kishimoto very well. This manga is full  half assed redemptions and characters becoming  best budies with another characters who wanted to kill them not so long  time ago .
Frankly reading the manga all again, SS at the ending aren't shocking, considering the entire part 1 and Sakura's devotion. This is much better than the complet lack of development and the  genjutsu thing with NH...

NaruSaku fans ignoring Sasuke's redemption, assuming Sakura moved on from Sasuke and  only focusing at the unimportant Hinata it always was a mistake
Thats why i never considered SS dead  give Kishimoto's insistence of Sakura's feelings and the invevitable Sasuke's return.

 

It'd be really unwise of you to assume what I care about and what I don't. Unlike you I seem to think about things other than pairings and how popular they are.  :zaru: 

"Its not shocking even though just a few chapters ago Sasuke was mentally stabbing Sakura, telling her he didn't love her, saw no reason to do so and dropping her in Lava." Ok. If you say so. 

"Redemption" What redemption? Is being beaten into submission a form of redemption these days? And frankly, I'm still not clear on what Sasuke even needed redemption from considering his plans never went anywhere. He's pretty much the most useless "villain" of the series. Talks big doesn't do kitten. 

SS is sloppy. Sakura's feelings for Sasuke have no basis. None. There is no kittening reason for her to like him other than "popular boy." The devotion of a 12yr old girl doesn't last through the years like that especially when said guy has shown 0 reciprocation. The whole pairing is weird and largely based on aesthetics. 


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Posted 02 May 2023 - 01:45 AM

 Sure it has, lots of people have moved on since most of us aren't interested in cashgrab spinoffs. The fandom has largely moved on because what we were interested in was the OG cast and the story we followed since we were middle-schoolers. We grew up and got lives.  :zaru:  Narusasu had the biggest fanbase of all. It probably still does. If you don't know it, it seems like you're pretty ignorant on the Naruto fandom outside of SS.  ROFL "Incels" ok, I'm struggling to take you seriously now.

 

 I'm not disrespecting you or laughing of your arguments. Try to have  some civilized discussion.
Sorry, but i can't find any better definition for a group how hates a fictional woman like Sakura than Incels .

I'm in  Naruto Fandom since my 9 years at 2007 during Orkut era  and  following Naruto Foruns and different social medias. Both Sasuke/Naruto Fans hated each other.  Naruto fans was constantly trying to prove how Naruto was stronger than Sasuke and Sasuke fans refulting that. This was the Hinata x Sakura at the time.

I walked away from the fandom and series since 2016 and come back at 2021  after the Novels and now with Retsuden.  Most of the current Naruto Fandom are SS/NH fans (With SS being much more bigger than NH), some solo Sasuke/Naruto fans who still have faith in Boruto and the Characters fandoms like Itachi, Madara, Kakashi and others are the only ones truly dead and were replaced by new Sarada and Boruto fans... New Boruto Characters have no fans aside Sarada/Boruto . Hell you even still encounter a massive ammount of SS/NH fans in Naruto Forums.

NaruSasu could be popular in their "yaoi" fanfic circle. But any serious fan never expected a gay pairing to happen. The current SN fanbase simply pales in comparassion to SS/NH pages and groups. Most of the current NaruSasu fans are just small incels groups who prefer to hates Sakura and elevate Hinata.
Don't tell me NaruSasus are hidden or in discord groups like NaruSaku fans? 

 

:umm:

 

Sasuke: constantly speaking harshly to Sakura, knowing she likes him and still being a kitten and treating her like a nuisance. Proceeds to slap apples out her hands when she's trying to help him feel better. Nearly Double teams her with a Chidori/Rasengan Combo on the roof top because he got his ego a little squished by Naruto and Itachi's interest in him
Sasuke: Abandons his village and leaves Sakura laying out in the middle of kittening no where.
Sasuke: Pulls a knife on Naruto, threatens to kill them when they finally manage to track him down in pt2. 
Sasuke: Tries to Kill Sakura after blowing through Karin and killing Danzo. Then threatens to also Kill Kakashi, Makes it clear he is going to destroy Konoha and anyone related to it. (Sure she meant to kill him to but that hardly mattered considering how unhinged he was.)
Sasuke: Point blank states he doesn't love Sakura, sees no reason to love her and pretty much makes it clear that he finds her disgusting for acting like a childish little girl.
Sasuke: Gives Sakura Multiple Genjutsu of him murdering her, lets her fall into lava. 
Sasuke: Oops sorry about all that.  YAY EVERYTHING IS FORGIVEN. 
And thats just the kittened up nonsense Sasuke does In front of or directly TO SAKURA. Nope, nothing abusive about any of this. Totally normal.

 

1 - Sasuke was tortured during three days with his family death and was humillited by Itachi. But he is the biggest kitten ever because he slapes some apples from Sakura's hand after he becomed highly frustated with his situation. :hm:

2 - Well Sasuke was trying to abadon the village in secret and Sakura was going to scream. I don't think he have time to carry Sakura until    home and put her in bed. But put her in the bench instead of let her in the ground  is something

3 - Finally i agree with something. Sasuke's in Kage summit was pretty much retarded because Kishimoto was too stupid to continue to develop Sasuke as a Anti-Hero and tried to transform him in a generic villain to make more Team 7 drama and give a reason to Sasuke x Naruto. Makes zero sense Sasuke saving Karin and remebering Team 7 and in the next arc trying to kill all of them.

In the War arc Kishimoto regreted this decision and made Sasuke return to his Anti-hero Status fighting Kabuto and joinning in the War to protect Konoha and even created the stupid excuse with "Uchiha loves too much thats why they becomes evil when they awaken MS"

4 - If Sasuke was really willing to let Sakura fall or die at any moment. Then he should let Sakura drop her ass in the ground after she rescued her or even better swith place with the own Sakura instead the jacket. Sakura will be traped forever in Kaguya's dimenstion, Sasuke will show he is  inredeemable kitten and SS 100% dead.  :chuckle:

 

The solo fuction of the chapter 685 and the ridiculous eyesmex was to show Sasuke cares about Sakura...


4 -  Sasuke x Naruto was about to happen. Makes zero sense Sasuke accepting Sakura and show how much he loves her before fighting Naruto.  The Genjutsu was harsh? Yes, but not even close to Kage Summit events or the Itachi's brotherly love genjutsu tortures.
This was just a excuse to let Sakura out of Sasuke x Naruto. Again Kishimoto reafirmed Sakura's feelings with another useless declaration and made her awaken like nothing happened. At this point he pretty much burried NS and SS was only depeding of Sasuke's return.

 

 

 

Sakura was hated because she was mean to Naruto since part one and then had the GALL to "Lie" to him and use his feelings for her as a weapon to get him to do what SHE wanted. It was manipulative and a kitten move in the eyes of people who already disliked her and then, despite doing that, when faced with Sasuke she couldn't even follow through with TRYING to end him like she'd intended. So she emotionally manipulated the Hero for no reason, and then proved herself useless once again. (these aren't my thoughts on the subject but the fandom's at the time.) SS wasn't the end of Sakura, it just wasted her and muddled the story--I'd say nearly catastrophically but honestly Kishimoto made bigger mistakes. Aliens. Its Obito! no, its Madara! no It really was Obito disguised as Madara and now we'll Edo Tensei the real Madara!! Itachi is a villain, no he's a hero!
There you are talking about popularity again like it actually matters. Hey--Kakasaku was pretty popular back in the day too maybe that should have been canon.

 

So you look like to perfectly understand why the Fake Confession made Sakura popularity dropped down at ridiculous levels at the point SS becomed a better alternative to Sakura's future than NS.
if Kishimoto have any intention to turn NaruSaku his final Pairing. The Fake confession pretty much burried that between the casual public and others pairings fans aside NaruSaku fans.

In Japan Sakura gained a bigger portion of extra hatred from SS fans because she was abandoning Sasuke. Thats why you have Kishimoto calling Sakura a bad woman if she moved on from Sasuke.

Again you are ignoring SS doesn't have only random popularity like Kakashi-Iruka. But the entire part 1 who pretty much solificied SS fandom during the rest of the series.

SS/NS/NH are the big three because are the most popular hetero pairings with real chances to happen. Not Crack/Gay Pairings like Kakashi Iruka, Sasuke - Naruto, Sakura-Ino, Sasuke-Itachi, Sakura-Orochimaru etc.
If Kakashi x Sakura wasn't a crack ship between a child and adult, maybe they could have some chance.

 

Popularity means something from Kishimoto and his editors.

Thats why he prefered the SS/NH route after the disaster of the Fake Confession and was obligated to turn Sakura/Sarada biological mother and Daughter after thousands of  thousands of death threats from SS fans during gaiden when he tried to troll SS/Sakura fans with Karin...


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Posted 02 May 2023 - 02:18 AM

Narusaku was considered the golden paring, the couple execpted to become canon even by ss fans at the time .Everything I hear from Japan that narusaku was considered the golden paring the one execpted to be canon.

 

I don't remember NS fan being considered a golden pairing. I don't know Japan situation. But SS fandom always was the most popular hetero pairing and we already know what the fake confession made to NaruSaku there.

Sakura fans from SS or NS side always have a hard time in neutral foruns and social medias.
But NS fans always suffered much more hate than SS fans.

Because most of the self inserts hated how Sakura punched and treated Naruto. The  Sakura's fan from SS side hated NS and you still have the Hinata/NH fans who sided with them...

If i remember correctly this forum was created because NaruSaku fans didn't have chance and peace in Naruto Forums against SS/NH and other fans.


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Posted 02 May 2023 - 02:39 AM

No, popularity is utterly worthless. Argumentum ad populam. Appeal to popularity.  Maybe popularity meant something to Kishimoto and his editors, but considering the way Boruto turned out, that just goes to show you fixate too much on what they think is popular.

 

SS is just awful. You can make an evil character (who has done evil and detestable things) redeem himself through the love another character expresses for him (see the romance between Viconia and the Bhaalspawn in Baldur's Gate II and Baldur's Gate Throne of Bhaal). Many series have done this. The problem is that Naruto does not even try. There is literally NO RHYME or REASON to SS. Chapter 693 confirms this when Kishimoto (correctly) has Sasuke state that Sakura has no reason to love him, only for Kakashi to retort that love does not need a reason. And don't bother retorting with headcanon nonsense like "Sasuke was mentally unhinged" or "Sakura's love for him sprouted from X." That's all fanfiction. If it's not in the manga, it didn't happen. SS is lazy. SS is boring. It's bad writing on parade. Boruto doesn't just fail because fail because Naruto and Hinata got together. It fails because the ending (or rather last third) of the previous series was an unhinged hackneyed mess not even fit for a creative writing contest with participants consisting of 12 year olds) and Boruto is simply a continuation of the unhinged hackneyed mess the gave birth to it in the first place.

 

I don't give a rat's @ss about which "pairing" is the most popular. I only care about good writing. Naruto MISERABLY failed in that department. But the potential it had not to fall to the depths it ended up falling to makes for good conversation. Also . . .

 

 
The solo fuction of the chapter 685 and the ridiculous eye smex was to show Sasuke cares about Sakura...

 

 

lol whut? Dude, you're a card carrying pairing goggle SS shipper through and through; you've NEVER supported NS for a single instant. You sound like someone else who got caught doing this exact same routine a few years ago. Drop the act. :lmao:


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Posted 02 May 2023 - 02:49 AM


lol whut? Dude, you're a card carrying pairing goggle SS shipper through and through; you've NEVER supported NS for a single instant. You sound like someone else who got caught doing this exact same routine a few years ago. Drop the act. :lmao:

Ok. let's pretend Kishimoto made the entire 685, Sasuke cathing Sakura, the ridiculous  eyesmex for nothing and this moments has no importance for SS.

 

less than 15 Chapters to end the manga and pairings, but this is just a ramdom page...
Just like NS hug in Pein Arc or the Yamato's comment has no importance for NS second the NaruHina fans. These are just random and insignificant moments  for them too  :argh:
At some moment some of you will have to accept rival pairings moments...


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Posted 02 May 2023 - 03:57 AM

Ok. let's pretend Kishimoto made the entire 685, Sasuke cathing Sakura, the ridiculous  eyesmex for nothing and this moments has no importance for SS. This is just a ramdom page.
Just like NS hug in Pein Arc or the Yamato comment's has no importance for NS second the NH fans..  :argh:
 

The whole eyesmex meme is nothing more than headcanon and fanfiction. Sasuke catches Sakura. No romantic connotations whatsoever. The narrative enforces this several chapters later when Sasuke mocks and belittles Sakura's feelings and both Sasuke/Kakashi confirm that Sakura's love for Sasuke is baseless ('love doesn't need a reason!). If the name of the game is to see which characters have the most scenes together (romantically ambiguous or otherwise), SS and NH lose that battle badly. But like I said, I don't give a rat's @ss about popularity. I don't give two sh_ts what other fans (NS, NH, SS or otherwise) have to say about the subject; I'm talking to YOU and addressing some of the comments YOU MADE with respect to how SS makes sense. I disagree. It does not make sense. It's a joke. It's bad writing.

 

At some moment you will have to accept rival pairings moments...

 

 

 
Give me an argument about writing quality. Don't keep looping back to popularity or what other fans think. Whether or not there are rival pairing moments has nothing to do with SS being a badly written trash can. Prove me wrong.

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Posted 02 May 2023 - 04:13 AM

I have returned. I'll do the summaries throughout the week. But since I missed a few due to being gone for about two month. I will be condensing them to three topics.

 

 
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Hinata managed to enter in Top 10.
Sakura remained as #3 place with few votes behind Itachi.
She is officially the most popular alive character and female in franchise. 
Kishimoto said Sakura wasn’t popular according what some people told him before 2012.
But now Kishimoto was proud of her  and himself as a writer.  
 
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So guys do you think Sakura would managed to become so popular if she ended Alone or a NaruSaku Ending? 
Kishimoto  is now proud of his ending.
 
 
 
Kishimoto's art:
 
 
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So Sakura is still top 3 and all the things I have said before.

 

And the result of the poll is an upcoming short manga with Minato. So a one shot.

 

Quote:

"Message from Masashi Kishimoto

Thank you for the incredible amount of votes!
It was fun seeing how results varied from region to region.
I was shocked to see Minato at the top for all regions, and the fact that Sakura is so beloved by many people around the world made me proud as a writer.
To tell you the truth, I was actually rooting for Kurama.

I was planning on drawing only the top 20 characters, but I really wanted to add Kurama, who was close at 22nd...
So I ended up including him and Guy, who was in 21st place!
Sorry for completely ignoring the original plan to have the top 20 characters for the 20th anniversary because of my personal attachment.
Right now I'm working on the short manga for Minato who placed 1st.
While trying to make a story that would match the expectations of his fans, I ended up with more pages than I had originally anticipated.
Please look forward to the secret story behind Minato's jutsu!
I want to thank you all very much again for voting!"

 

 

From https://narutop99.na...official.com/en

if you scroll down pass the drawing.

Well, if you want proof that Kishimoto has grown to dislike Hinata over these past 8 years. This is probably the closest we are going to get.

 

To me, this is Kishimoto saying that originally, he was going to do the top ten since Hinata was #12 halfway through. Then, when she hit #10, he found an excuse to justify him not doing an image with Hinata being in the top ten. That excuse being Kurama. So now she is in the Top 22. With Sakura big in the front and center along with Itachi and Minato.

 

This also says to me that this poll did have an effect that we would desire. Not the one we want, reverse it back to NS, but the best we are going to get. Sakura is the 3rd most popular character and most popular female character around the world; 8 years after being stripped of her status of heroine and love interest due to be seen as too hated and Hinata replacing her due to her being more popular than Sakura. Both those have been disproven and Kishimoto knows. Not sure this will have much of an effect but this has probably become Kishimoto's favorite poll results.


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Posted 02 May 2023 - 04:46 AM

Give me an argument about writing quality. Don't keep looping back to popularity or what other fans think. Whether or not there are rival pairing moments has nothing to do with SS being a badly written trash can. Prove me wrong.

 

 

You can think whatever you wants about SS/NH. i'm just more receptive with SS after the ending and trying to undertand Kishimoto's final decisions.  I'm not here to change your oppinion or turn some old NS fans who are still salty about the ending into SS fans.

Just to talk about characters, general pairings, current franchise state and fandoms.

i'm not blind or will stay forever in denial just because i was a old NS fan.

Kishimoto wanted to use this moment just to show how Sasuke cared for Sakura. Kishimoto pratically builded this moment  since when Sakura was sad because Sasuke aparently didn't  cared about her against Madara.

 

The story ended 8 years ago. There's no point to have NS  goggles anymore to deny everything.

If Kishi really wanted to show a uncaring Sasuke or kill SS, there's no reason for the physical and eye contact.
Sakura would fall on the ground or be traped in Kaguya's desert in Sasuke's place.


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Posted 02 May 2023 - 12:55 PM

 

 I'm not disrespecting you or laughing of your arguments. Try to have  some civilized discussion.
Sorry, but i can't find any better definition for a group how hates a fictional woman like Sakura than Incels .
 

It's not possible for me to feel disrespected by you and trust me, I am laughing at your arguments. 

"Anyone who doesn't agree with me is an incel." rofl, ok. 

In the same vein that Sakura was the female bicycle of the fandom, Naruto was the male version  (actually pretty amusing considering how often the story stressed that they were the "Same") and since you're so concerned with popularity you could look at the fanfiction numbers to see how popular Narusasu was. 

Not only was it popular but at the very least Sasuke and Naruto had things in common+mutual respect and some type of love for one another. They're relationship had actual foundation and development throughout the story and would have made sense. (I say this as someone who doesn't like Yaoi.)

 

 

Most of the current Naruto Fandom are SS/NH fans (With SS being much more bigger than NH), some solo Sasuke/Naruto fans who still have faith in Boruto and the Characters fandoms like Itachi, Madara, Kakashi and others are the only ones truly dead and were replaced by new Sarada and Boruto fans... New Boruto Characters have no fans aside Sarada/Boruto . Hell you even still encounter a massive ammount of SS/NH fans in Naruto Forums.

NaruSasu could be popular in their "yaoi" fanfic circle. But any serious fan never expected a gay pairing to happen. The current SN fanbase simply pales in comparassion to SS/NH pages and groups. Most of the current NaruSasu fans are just small incels groups who prefer to hates Sakura and elevate Hinata.
Don't tell me NaruSasus are hidden or in discord groups like NaruSaku fans? 

 

 

I wonder why all that remains of the OG naruto fandom would be SS and NH fans  :umm:  I wonder why the only people watching Burrito are those obsessed with pairings and shipping minor children together as full grown adults...Might be because everyone else was tired of the kitten writing, lazy pairings and moved on with their lives  :zaru: 
 
They're probably hiding from people like you, specifically.  :hehehe: Listen, Its not my job to hook you up with communities, do the research yourself but you're really likely to get booted from those servers if you play in there like you are here.

 

 

 

1 - Sasuke was tortured during three days with his family death and was humillited by Itachi. But he is the biggest kitten ever because he slapes some apples from Sakura's hand after he becomed highly frustated with his situation. :hm:

2 - Well Sasuke was trying to abadon the village in secret and Sakura was going to scream. I don't think he have time to carry Sakura until    home and put her in bed. But put her in the bench instead of let her in the ground  is something

3 - Finally i agree with something. Sasuke's in Kage summit was pretty much retarded because Kishimoto was too stupid to continue to develop Sasuke as a Anti-Hero and tried to transform him in a generic villain to make more Team 7 drama and give a reason to Sasuke x Naruto. Makes zero sense Sasuke saving Karin and remebering Team 7 and in the next arc trying to kill all of them.

In the War arc Kishimoto regreted this decision and made Sasuke return to his Anti-hero Status fighting Kabuto and joinning in the War to protect Konoha and even created the stupid excuse with "Uchiha loves too much thats why they becomes evil when they awaken MS"

4 - If Sasuke was really willing to let Sakura fall or die at any moment. Then he should let Sakura drop her ass in the ground after she rescued her or even better swith place with the own Sakura instead the jacket. Sakura will be traped forever in Kaguya's dimenstion, Sasuke will show he is  inredeemable kitten and SS 100% dead.  :chuckle:

 

The solo fuction of the chapter 685 and the ridiculous eyesmex was to show Sasuke cares about Sakura...


4 -  Sasuke x Naruto was about to happen. Makes zero sense Sasuke accepting Sakura and show how much he loves her before fighting Naruto.  The Genjutsu was harsh? Yes, but not even close to Kage Summit events or the Itachi's brotherly love genjutsu tortures.
This was just a excuse to let Sakura out of Sasuke x Naruto. Again Kishimoto reafirmed Sakura's feelings with another useless declaration and made her awaken like nothing happened. At this point he pretty much burried NS and SS was only depeding of Sasuke's return.

 

 

 

No, the issue with the hospital scene is that after slapping apples out of her hands he goes on to nearly kill, throwing aside all reason and concern for both Sakura and Naruto a rather consistent pattern for him but go on, excuse all of Sasuke's bad behavior because "HIS MENTALL ILLNESS!" and "His petty, disgusting ego" and of course the all important "Muh SS pairing can never be wrong."  

You know what, he doesn't drop her, he summons a bird, picks up ONLY Naruto and leaves 3 other people to fall and the only reason Sakura didn't burn to death was because Kakashi threw out of a line and caught her. Which Sasuke had no kittening way of knowing would happen. He then goes on to state that Kakashi and Sakura are unimportant and they'll have to leave them to die. It's Naruto who recues them after reminding Sasuke that "Sometimes your body moves all on its own." In reference to the wave arc. One might think that if Sasuke cared about Sakura he might have done something like he did to save Naruto way back when, but nah his body only moves to rescue people he actually cares about.  :zaru: 

So kind and romantic of Sasuke to repeatedly stomp all over Sakura in almost every single interaction they've ever had. but!! Its all apparently fixed with "Sexy side eyes" And "Lol. Srry -poke-" but apparently not fixed enough that they can spend anytime whatso ever showing the repair of this "Relationship" and making it believable that they end up together.

At least NH wasn't disgusting in terms of dynamics. Neither Naruto nor Hinata do anything hurtful to one another (Even Naruto ghosting her confession pales in comparison to the kitten Sasuke does.) 



 

 

 

 

So you look like to perfectly understand why the Fake Confession made Sakura popularity dropped down at ridiculous levels at the point SS becomed a better alternative to Sakura's future than NS.
if Kishimoto have any intention to turn NaruSaku his final Pairing. The Fake confession pretty much burried that between the casual public and others pairings fans aside NaruSaku fans.

In Japan Sakura gained a bigger portion of extra hatred from SS fans because she was abandoning Sasuke. Thats why you have Kishimoto calling Sakura a bad woman if she moved on from Sasuke.

Again you are ignoring SS doesn't have only random popularity like Kakashi-Iruka. But the entire part 1 who pretty much solificied SS fandom during the rest of the series.

SS/NS/NH are the big three because are the most popular hetero pairings with real chances to happen. Not Crack/Gay Pairings like Kakashi Iruka, Sasuke - Naruto, Sakura-Ino, Sasuke-Itachi, Sakura-Orochimaru etc.
If Kakashi x Sakura wasn't a crack ship between a child and adult, maybe they could have some chance.

 

Popularity means something from Kishimoto and his editors.

Thats why he prefered the SS/NH route after the disaster of the Fake Confession and was obligated to turn Sakura/Sarada biological mother and Daughter after thousands of  thousands of death threats from SS fans during gaiden when he tried to troll SS/Sakura fans with Karin...

No, because i fundamentally disagree with the popular opinion in regards to Sakura's confession. I think she did a bad thing for the right reasons. I think the fandom already had it out for Sakura and just used it as more ammo in their can. Sakura's confession and the events that followed were meant to show a selfless girl wracked with guilt, seeking to make amends for a wrong she never committed. 

That confession comes up right after Sai informs her that Naruto is suffering because of his love for her, right after Naruto allowed Karui to beat the kitten out of him in place of Sasuke. So she's being brow beat about Sasuke, his recent terroristic actions the guilt of feeling like she's placed a burden on Naruto thats going to get him killed and all of K11 are basically telling her SHE needs to come up with a solution. She came up with one, just not a very good one. 

I think its pretty obvious that Kishimoto MEANT to portray Sakura as having conflicted feelings between Naruto and Sasuke, but he's a kitten writer and he fumbled it. 

Again, No. Because if Kishimoto were a better writer or he cared enough to do so, he could have recovered Sakura's character from this--secondly, just because NS is "shot" doesn't mean you immediately have to jump onto SS.

It honestly feels like you don't care about Sakura as a character because you're continually using SS as some kind of crutch to prop her up. Very weird. 

 

 

 

Thats why he prefered the SS/NH route after the disaster of the Fake Confession and was obligated to turn Sakura/Sarada biological mother and Daughter after thousands of  thousands of death threats from SS fans during gaiden when he tried to troll SS/Sakura fans with Karin...

So basically what you're saying is like SASUKE, SS is full of a bunch of terrorists who make threats to get what they want? Ok I guess that's something we can agree on  :zaru: 

Again, popularity DOES not MATTER. 

IchiRuki was popular. The fandom largely hated Orihime. You know what Kubo did? "The more you hate her, the more I'm going to show her." He made the least popular pairing the canon one because HE had a vision and what the fans wanted didn't mean a damn thing in light of his story. That's what a real pro does. They stick to the story they intended, unswayed by the crying masses. 

Literally no one here is arguing about the canon status of SS, but if you want to talk about "Evidence" the only evidence is that they have a kid together. Everything else is ambiguous nonsense from Sasuke and slavish devotion that has no rhyme or reason from Sakura.

Its about SHOWING not telling, and all Kishimoto ever showed was the two of them together in a negative light. 

 

I have returned. I'll do the summaries throughout the week. But since I missed a few due to being gone for about two month. I will be condensing them to three topics.

So Sakura is still top 3 and all the things I have said before.

 

Well, if you want proof that Kishimoto has grown to dislike Hinata over these past 8 years. This is probably the closest we are going to get.

 

To me, this is Kishimoto saying that originally, he was going to do the top ten since Hinata was #12 halfway through. Then, when she hit #10, he found an excuse to justify him not doing an image with Hinata being in the top ten. That excuse being Kurama. So now she is in the Top 22. With Sakura big in the front and center along with Itachi and Minato.

 

This also says to me that this poll did have an effect that we would desire. Not the one we want, reverse it back to NS, but the best we are going to get. Sakura is the 3rd most popular character and most popular female character around the world; 8 years after being stripped of her status of heroine and love interest due to be seen as too hated and Hinata replacing her due to her being more popular than Sakura. Both those have been disproven and Kishimoto knows. Not sure this will have much of an effect but this has probably become Kishimoto's favorite poll results.

 

What really gets me is that Shisui and Kakashi's dad are in this poll  :argh:  Like they probably had ten chapters between them...

I'm not surprised to see my man Sasori tho  :hehehe:  (or Deidara for that matter.) Its the rule of cool at work I guess. 

I am surprised not to see Tsunade though. 


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Posted 02 May 2023 - 03:54 PM

No, popularity is utterly worthless. Argumentum ad populam. Appeal to popularity.  Maybe popularity meant something to Kishimoto and his editors, but considering the way Boruto turned out, that just goes to show you fixate too much on what they think is popular.
 
There is literally NO RHYME or REASON to SS. Chapter 693 confirms this when Kishimoto (correctly) has Sasuke state that Sakura has no reason to love him, only for Kakashi to retort that love does not need a reason.


And yet Kakashi saying that to Sasuke shows hes a hypocrite since he rejected Rin when she was wanting to tell him how she felt after he explained Obitos feelings for her when he died.

But he also expects Sasuke to do what he refused to? Screw that!

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Posted 02 May 2023 - 10:04 PM

Wait. So we apparently to you hate Sakura, because we don't like that she is with Sasuke. As we see that as an abusive relationship and that makes us/proves to you that we are "involuntarily celibate?"



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Posted 02 May 2023 - 10:13 PM

 
I don't remember NS fan being considered a golden pairing. I don't know Japan situation. But SS fandom always was the most popular hetero pairing and we already know what the fake confession made to NaruSaku there.

Sakura fans from SS or NS side always have a hard time in neutral foruns and social medias.
But NS fans always suffered much more hate than SS fans.
Because most of the self inserts hated how Sakura punched and treated Naruto. The  Sakura's fan from SS side hated NS and you still have the Hinata/NH fans who sided with them...

If i remember correctly this forum was created because NaruSaku fans didn't have chance and peace in Naruto Forums against SS/NH and other fans.


Narusaku was heavily marketed in Japan, like this nurse taking care of naruto poster https://www.fanpop.c...naruxsaku-photo

There was also the special ending of 17 when the earthquake happened in 2011 https://youtu.be/Ui_hUI7Xvl4

Plus the naruto vs sasuke ova with narusaku moments https://youtu.be/nk5hIL8_HTQ.

Even if ss was the more popular hetero couple to ship, I hear many of them execpted narusaku to be canon. So I doubt the confession affected the fandom there, heck I heard how excited the cpr scene was treated there.

Those self interest don't etheir seem to know or ignore that it's a tsundere troop very common in Japan anime. Heck there are far more bigger cases than sakura doing it.

Yes they did and by doing so paid the price with a reduced role for sakura who is only now has major appearances in spin offs now and then. Yes this site was considered a safe haven for some, bit other still debated on the forms.

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Posted 02 May 2023 - 10:48 PM

Wait. So we apparently to you hate Sakura, because we don't like that she is with Sasuke. As we see that as an abusive relationship and that makes us/proves to you that we are "involuntarily celibate?"

Apparently, someone has been spending too much of their time on Twitter.  And I suppose Kubo's wife is an "incel" by their bastardized misuse of the term since she was strongly against Sakura being with anyone but Naruto and vice versa. 


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