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#41 merryGOflava

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Posted 28 January 2012 - 04:10 AM

QUOTE (AzureWaters @ Jan 28 2012, 04:15 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Some of you guys say NH fans are in denial for trying to find a parallels with MinaKushi, but you're doing the exact same thing. o.O

I'm a NaruSaku fan too, but as we know, Kishimoto hasn't brought up either girl when this whole flashback thing is over with in the manga. Its alright if you find similarites, but I don't think they should be used as definite evidence that NS will happen. MinaKushi is not a second NaruSaku; they are both two different pairings with separate moments, and, as of now, holds no official link between the other.


ya.....i dont think so.....of course their are links.

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Posted 28 January 2012 - 04:49 AM

Gotta something that might interest ya everyone... gifs from the newest episode! biggrin.gif


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Posted 28 January 2012 - 04:53 AM

QUOTE (Toasty Warrior @ Jan 28 2012, 03:49 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Gotta something that might interest ya everyone... gifs from the newest episode! biggrin.gif


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Posted 28 January 2012 - 05:21 AM

QUOTE (AzureWaters @ Jan 27 2012, 09:15 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Some of you guys say NH fans are in denial for trying to find a parallels with MinaKushi, but you're doing the exact same thing. o.O

I'm a NaruSaku fan too, but as we know, Kishimoto hasn't brought up either girl when this whole flashback thing is over with in the manga. Its alright if you find similarites, but I don't think they should be used as definite evidence that NS will happen. MinaKushi is not a second NaruSaku; they are both two different pairings with separate moments, and, as of now, holds no official link between the other.



QUOTE (Sakura Lover @ Jan 27 2012, 09:53 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Your joking right...?


I guess I'm going to play devil's advocate after all.

Look everybody I liked the episode but it wasn't exactly full-on narusaku, close, but not the full shebang.

Most of the flashback was filler even the Sakura stuff, but there is NH stuff laced in there when Minato talks to Kushina after rescuing her, you may not interpret that conversation as NH but someone can. But to dismiss it as filler would also dismiss the Sakura comparisons as filler itself. No one saw that fight with the genin in the manga (it would help our arguement alot though).

That troubles me because it's possible for Pierrot to do the same with Naruto's birth so if you want to go full pairing-goggles on these episodes be my guest, but it would be wise to temper enthusiasm. Or else we'll be ranting next week.

And ranting gets so very tiresome.

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Edited by Insurrection, 28 January 2012 - 05:23 AM.


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Posted 28 January 2012 - 06:45 AM

What? mellow.gif I can't believe Kushina and Sakura's parallels being downplayed after she told Naruto to get a girl thats just like her in MANGA canon!There is tons of similarities we can list out in the MinaKushi and NS relationship. this episode is filler including NH laced stuff. witch even isn't NH at all even. Minato thought Kushina could handle herself because shes strong period. Hinata is strong in her own right but shes nothing like Kushinas character in the least.

Yes Naruto didn't think of anybody after she said those words. but its clear what Kishi was implying and i believe Kishi will bring up that flashback at the right time down the road. You can see Naruto listened well and did everything his parents wanted for him. he did fall in love with the right girl she wanted. why else would kishi put those words out if kishi wasn't hinting or drawing a connection with Narusaku?


So don't tell me theres no connections or link between them when manga says otherwise.

Edited by Living Lavish, 28 January 2012 - 07:05 AM.


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Posted 28 January 2012 - 06:55 AM

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Wait. So there's a special next week? a_dance.gif

Oooo~ wow.png A special~!

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Posted 28 January 2012 - 08:24 AM

No, there's no special. Its just the story of how they fought Madatobi during Naruto's birth.

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Posted 28 January 2012 - 08:28 AM

Then why the hell are people calling it a special? confused.gif

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Posted 28 January 2012 - 08:34 AM

QUOTE (Rocket @ Jan 28 2012, 12:28 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Then why the hell are people calling it a special? confused.gif

excitement. Its a flashback, so I guess we can call it a special.

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Posted 28 January 2012 - 12:35 PM

QUOTE (Living Lavish @ Jan 28 2012, 07:45 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
What? mellow.gif I can't believe Kushina and Sakura's parallels being downplayed after she told Naruto to get a girl thats just like her in MANGA canon!There is tons of similarities we can list out in the MinaKushi and NS relationship. this episode is filler including NH laced stuff. witch even isn't NH at all even. Minato thought Kushina could handle herself because shes strong period. Hinata is strong in her own right but shes nothing like Kushinas character in the least.

Yes Naruto didn't think of anybody after she said those words. but its clear what Kishi was implying and i believe Kishi will bring up that flashback at the right time down the road. You can see Naruto listened well and did everything his parents wanted for him. he did fall in love with the right girl she wanted. why else would kishi put those words out if kishi wasn't hinting or drawing a connection with Narusaku?


So don't tell me theres no connections or link between them when manga says otherwise.



 
 
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Posted 28 January 2012 - 01:43 PM

QUOTE (Insurrection @ Jan 28 2012, 12:21 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I guess I'm going to play devil's advocate after all.

Look everybody I liked the episode but it wasn't exactly full-on narusaku, close, but not the full shebang.

Most of the flashback was filler even the Sakura stuff, but there is NH stuff laced in there when Minato talks to Kushina after rescuing her, you may not interpret that conversation as NH but someone can. But to dismiss it as filler would also dismiss the Sakura comparisons as filler itself. No one saw that fight with the genin in the manga (it would help our arguement alot though).

That troubles me because it's possible for Pierrot to do the same with Naruto's birth so if you want to go full pairing-goggles on these episodes be my guest, but it would be wise to temper enthusiasm. Or else we'll be ranting next week.

And ranting gets so very tiresome.

Now I return to the firaxan shark server.


Actually, it could be taken both ways. Yes, Naruto said Hinata was "strong". But in actions, Minato here paralleled Sakura in how they both knew and had faith in the others' abilities. So, if you ask me, this episode was neutral at best. There's no pairing wank in it. If anything, it was all about MinaKushi. No connections whatsoever to NH or NS. Period.

QUOTE (Rocket @ Jan 28 2012, 03:28 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Then why the hell are people calling it a special? confused.gif


When there's a one-hour slot from the anime, the animation team or Pierrot in this case, calls it a special. It's called a special because there's usually only one or two times a year the anime has a one-hour slot.

One thing I'd like to see in the special would be Tenzo's reaction to being held back from the battle against Kyuubi, out of all the kids that night he must be the most pissed one out of them.

QUOTE (Insurrection @ Jan 27 2012, 09:23 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
That was walking a fine line there. I don't usually watch the anime, not my forte. Very Sakura-eske at the beginning until Pierrot inserted that final dialogue,

"Kushina to Minato: But you've always ignored me."

You didn't think they wouldn't insert extra did you?

It seems like the basic making all sides happy arguement. But that's just me, was pretty good besides that.


If you ask me, that was also a very in-character moment for Kushina and parallels Sakura's faith in Naruto as well. Not only that, like Kushina said, she thought Minato was sort of pathetic, but it's because of that, she never noticed that Minato was always watching her from behind.

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Posted 28 January 2012 - 02:58 PM

I am not joking. --__-- I said that its fine if you find similarites with MinaKushi, but it shouldn't be used as the ultimate proofz that NS will happen. Kushina said 'find a girl like me', yet has Kishi clarified this by showing Sakura or Hinata? No. And if he were going to, he shouldn't wait more than year to do so. I think its wise to wait for official confirmation by Kishi, if he'll do so, before going around bragging about how another canon pairing happening means yours is in the bag.

Not to mention, those cherry blossom scenes and hair pulling was filler. One shouldn't take that or the 'NaruHina hints' to heart so much in the first place.

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Posted 28 January 2012 - 03:09 PM

Cant we just enjoy the episodes without the whole comparing NaruSaku to Minakush come on guys KUSHINA IS THERE! Damn gurl is like a pillar of beauty.

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Posted 28 January 2012 - 05:05 PM

QUOTE (AzureWaters @ Jan 28 2012, 02:58 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I am not joking. --__-- I said that its fine if you find similarites with MinaKushi, but it shouldn't be used as the ultimate proofz that NS will happen. Kushina said 'find a girl like me', yet has Kishi clarified this by showing Sakura or Hinata? No. And if he were going to, he shouldn't wait more than year to do so. I think its wise to wait for official confirmation by Kishi, if he'll do so, before going around bragging about how another canon pairing happening means yours is in the bag.

Not to mention, those cherry blossom scenes and hair pulling was filler. One shouldn't take that or the 'NaruHina hints' to heart so much in the first place.


Forget the fillers already. smh

Basicially like Boom said..

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The problem is, it's hard to claim the parallels were unintentional when the mangaka himself makes a point of calling it out ("...find someone like your mother.."). For an author as expositional with romance as Kishi, the implication is pretty clear IMO. Subtle he was not. wink.gif

Edited by Living Lavish, 28 January 2012 - 05:09 PM.


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Posted 28 January 2012 - 05:25 PM

QUOTE (AzureWaters @ Jan 28 2012, 02:58 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I am not joking. --__-- I said that its fine if you find similarites with MinaKushi, but it shouldn't be used as the ultimate proofz that NS will happen. Kushina said 'find a girl like me', yet has Kishi clarified this by showing Sakura or Hinata? No. And if he were going to, he shouldn't wait more than year to do so. I think its wise to wait for official confirmation by Kishi, if he'll do so, before going around bragging about how another canon pairing happening means yours is in the bag.

Not to mention, those cherry blossom scenes and hair pulling was filler. One shouldn't take that or the 'NaruHina hints' to heart so much in the first place.

All we are saying is that Sakura is like Kushina. That's how the whole MinaKush=NaruSaku thing got started.
1) The punch was just one example of Sakura=Kushina.
2) Picked on for her hair=Sakura being picked on for her forehead
3) Minato was the only one that loved Kushina's hair= Naruto is the only one that loves Sakura's forehead
4) Kushina is dangerous, and will beat you up, but deep inside, she is VERY caring=Sakura's personality
5) Kushina said she first thought Minato was useless, but then she feel in love with him (after he complemented her hair)= Sakura thinks Sasuke loves her forehead, not Naruto, and at a young age, saw Naruto as useless. (basically showing the connection with the two pairings)

Kishimoto himself has drawn images in anime/manga, that connect Sakura, and Kushina, and the MinaKush=NaruSaku similarities. (we have tons of more pictures, but I didn't want to go digging for them all... mostly because I'm lazy)

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There's also another one with Naruto saving Sakura, and Minato saving Kushina, and they both look back with the same glare in their eyes. However, I can't find it.

All I'm trying to say is that with all our similarities, be they NaruSaku=MinaKush, or Sakura=Kushina, they all show why Kishimoto made Kushina tell Naruto to pick someone like her. After your dead mother tells you something, I believe that you would do it. Sense Hinata is completely different from Kushina, and Sakura is much more of Kushina's nature, I believe we all should know where this anime/manga is going. If you don't, I suggest you wait for the ending, or reread the whole manga.

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Posted 28 January 2012 - 06:01 PM

Nobody was saying this episode was ''ulimate proof for NS'' either. first off you started to make comments downplaying the link of MK and NS witch is ridiculous and untrue. Who else in the manga is like Kushina Naruto fell in love with? we have tsundere tendencies, loud and bratty, likes pranks, initial dislike for the hero, tomboyish, almost identically drawn mannerisms, insecure about a feature on their body they hate and were bullied for and only loved it when the hero complimented them (bench scene) and several other exclusive common traits other guys pointed out.It certainly doesn't sound like Hinata does it? infact the complete opposite. if you step back and look at how Kishi drew Kushina in that arc, it really seems blatantly obvious what his intention. Naruto loves the exact type of girl she told him to find.(whats hilarious most of the Naruto fandom understood what Kishi was implying to regardless of pairing) she even wanted Sasuke and Naruto to be friends, look what happens...best friends.

I believe Kishi is will bring those words back again in a flashback later on in the story but that doesn't stop us for figuring out that pairing hint for are selfs.. and nobody said the pairing is the bag.

but it's hard to claim the parallels were unintentional when the mangaka himself makes a point of calling it out.

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Posted 28 January 2012 - 06:15 PM

I'm not trying to downplay any similarites that the two pairings share. What I'm saying is that you shouldn't depend so much on parallels, at least in the context of NS being more probable. You may see frequent comparisons and an obvious connection with MinaKushi, but I wouldn't be so sure that this was the mangaka's intention. The more time passes that Kishimoto doesn't bring up Kushina's girlfriend advice, the more I think it was just added for a more emotional impact. Naruto didn't think of Sakura after Kushina said that to him, and I think if Kishi wanted to show Sakura = Kushina than he would have made Naruto, or someone else, comment or think of that.

Frankly, I don't care for parallels at all. I think a pairing should be seen for its own merits, and not depend on something else to make it look better. Unless its shown blantantly in the manga that Sakura is similar to Kushina, I'm not going to hang onto that. At this point, the only thing Kishi confirmed is that Kushina is like Naruto, not any of his love interests.

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Posted 28 January 2012 - 06:39 PM

QUOTE (AzureWaters @ Jan 28 2012, 01:15 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Frankly, I don't care for parallels at all. I think a pairing should be seen for its own merits, and not depend on something else to make it look better.


Which is your personal reaction. That's not the way Kishimoto writes though.



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Unless its shown blantantly in the manga that Sakura is similar to Kushina.


I suggest rereading the manga. It is blatantly shown. Your dislike of parallels makes you skim over that.
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Posted 28 January 2012 - 06:43 PM

Just cause someone dislikes something doesnt mean they skim over everything. But as I said before lets forget about it all for now and watch the anime.

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Posted 28 January 2012 - 06:53 PM

QUOTE (AzureWaters @ Jan 28 2012, 12:15 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
You may see frequent comparisons and an obvious connection with MinaKushi, but I wouldn't be so sure that this was the mangaka's intention. The more time passes that Kishimoto doesn't bring up Kushina's girlfriend advice, the more I think it was just added for a more emotional impact. Naruto didn't think of Sakura after Kushina said that to him, and I think if Kishi wanted to show Sakura = Kushina than he would have made Naruto, or someone else, comment or think of that.

To be honest, I've never cared for the "expiration" argument. It seems to operate under the assumption that Kishi only has a certain time limit to introduce a plot point. For someone who loves flashbacks as much as he does, the argument seems sort of irrelevant. Especially when you consider that the manga has sort of been saturated with fights lately. I mean, there was, what, one or two pairing scenes over the course of the past year? None of which lasted more than a couple panels.

To me, trying to claim the expiration of any chance of Kishi implying something with Kushina's last words is sort of asinine. It's either implying that a.) Kishi is changing his mind on a dime, or b.) Kishi never had a reason for said line to begin with. I think most of us understand the possibility of the first, but there's really nothing to argue about. I understand that Kishi can just randomly turn Naruto into a toad and have him hook up with one of the female toads of Myoboku (are there any?), but I'm not going to actually acknowledge that in a pairing debate. I see the second possibility in the same vein. It's possible that Kishi never had a reason for doing so-and-so, but I have absolutely no reason to assume that. For the sake of argument, I'm going to assume that the author has a reason for doing what he's doing. Otherwise, the argument can be expanded, and essentially cancel out any ship's arguments.

I do agree with you though, that nothing good comes of claiming canon already. That's a gripe I tend to share. However, Kushina's last words to Naruto seemed to be one of Kishi's more obvious pairing hints, at least IMO.

Now, if I had to think up a reason why Kishi hasn't addressed Kushina's advice on women, I'd say it's most likely due to the pairing implications. It wouldn't really make N/S or N/H canon in the story, but it'd make Kishi's chosen OTP pretty obvious to the reader. I think it's pretty obvious that he's trying to milk the pairing subplot for as long as he can, given how large the Naruto shipping fandom is. But I think scenes like that one, with or without direct proof from the author, give a pretty clear indication of where he's headed.

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Frankly, I don't care for parallels at all. I think a pairing should be seen for its own merits, and not depend on something else to make it look better. Unless its shown blantantly in the manga that Sakura is similar to Kushina, I'm not going to hang onto that. At this point, the only thing Kishi confirmed is that Kushina is like Naruto, not any of his love interests.

That's understandable, but I guess I've always seen the generational parallels as one of Kishi's more obvious pairing hints. He obviously loves to show how characters tend to be repeated over the generations. And not only parents. I mean, how many times have the Sannin been compared to Team 7?

I agree it's not canon proof of a pairing, but I think it's more important than simply supplementary evidence.

Edited by Boom...Winning, 28 January 2012 - 06:55 PM.

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