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#1621 James S Cassidy

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Posted 28 December 2017 - 04:41 PM

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Gohan is more powerful than goten and trunk is much more gift than their parents. Anyways we know that gohan is chichi son because he has her shy attitude and powerful anger explosion unlike burito. But db story always goes back to goku.

Another example are

Shaman king flower : this is sequel of shaman king featuring mc son who is better than him.

Kenshin : it's not sequel his son is already better than Kenshin himself.

Bleach : his son is already a shinigami at the age when ichigo lose his mother. It's not sequel.

You're talking about the kids that become better than the parents, but the examples you give are flawed.

Gohan was supposed to take over the family business, but after defeating cell he kind of got put to the DL. It was supposed to be Gohan, but everyone wanted Goku back, so Goku came back and became more powerful while Gohan decided to work on his studies. Even Vegeta remarks that Gohan was more powerful at 12 than he was now. So essentially Gohan got weaker. Goten did get farther than Goku at the same age, but he is still nowhere near Goku's power level now.

I don't know what you mean by bringing up Trunks though. Vegeta is far more powerful than any version of Trunks we have seen now. He is even more powerful than Goku now even with the Ultra Instinct.

Kenshin one I could argue since by the time he had a son, Kenshin's body began to degrade and he could no longer use his abilities due to the heavy taxing of the sword techniques. Plus, Yahiko was proven to be far stronger than him even if Kenji has a gift of picking up techniques just by watching them or something like that. I guess that's what you mean by stronger. Would Kenji end up being crippled even more later in life quicker than his father? Who knows. It's always described that eventually the body can't take the pressures anymore and supposedly Kenshin is invincible if he goes full Battosi at least that is what they make it seem like. If he had no qualms about killing and holding back. Would Kenshin be far more powerful than anything?

The Bleach one is also arguable in that Ichigio always had the power, but was kept away from it being unleashed because he wasn't exposed enough to bring it out. Remember, when Ichigo's son came Ichigo trained him himself to become a soul reaper right off the bat. This is the not the same for Ichigo who had no training til he was much older. Even Chad and Orihime had potential, but because of not being exposed or trained in their way younger selves it is kind of not a fair comparison.

Plus I noticed most of these examples are "They were more powerful when their parents were that age" and not say "They are more powerful than their parents even at maximum potantial." What I am talking about is not that Naruto at 14 is weaker than Boruto at 14. No, no. I am talking something more broken like Naruto at 35 is weaker than Boruto at 14-16 which they seem to be doing. Even Salad is becoming more powerful by breaking even more rules to how the Uchiha work with no reason, but then again Naruto was all about the flair and very little about the explanation.

How many of the offspring are going to maybe have a relapse and say become weaker like Gohan?

"Gohan is the strongest in the universe, but still doesn't do crap."
 

We’ve had the short clips of the characters being instructed by their parents, so it’s not like they automatically have these abilitys. It’s expected for any person to be able to use said clan abilities if their parents are their parents. That is the logic that everyone should be going with. Naruto’s talent vs hard work was like that because they were on the end of the era of no clan mixing. Since the story continues, our characters are bound to have kids with others, destroying that whole structure. It should be expected. That’s the point of the Hokage and Sasuke talking about the new generation. They have it a bit easier, but they are strong. They don’t just automatically know the jutsu. The basic clan jutsu are the only things that make the kids "op". These kids are working the necessary amount to know the jutsu. We had that whole episode of inojin trying to figure out what was wrong with his beast art. Inojin,Shikadai,and Chocho stated they were training together before they joined the academy because of their parents. I would agree that the kids are op if they were doing planetary devastation level stuff but they aren't. And yes Boruto has some new eye power but he can't even use it when he wants too or knows what it is. 

Give it a wait. We see Naruto and Sasuke being the most powerful ninja by the time they hit 16 or so. How many want to bet that Boruto and Salad get to be far stronger in younger years?

I mean, don't you need to see an tramatic event before unlocking the Sharingan....so how did Salad unlock hers so easily?
"When a wielder of this kekkei genkai experiences a powerful emotional condition with regards to a person precious to them, their brain releases a special form of chakra that affects the optic nerves, transforming the eyes into Sharingan; for that reason the Sharingan is described as an "eye that reflects the heart.""

"Salad awakens Sharingan after meeting her father"
You know, we used to think it took seeing your best friend die to awaken this thing, but now just being pissed off enough awakens it.

Sasuke also needed to be trained on how to use the Sharingan by Kakashi to learn techniques from it. Want to bet that Salad knows it all by heart by now without training or anyone teaching her?

But whatever, do whatever they want....
 



 


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Posted 28 December 2017 - 05:13 PM

"Salad awakens Sharingan after meeting her father"

You know, we used to think it took seeing your best friend die to awaken this thing, but now just being pissed off enough awakens it.

Well, at least she didn't simply awaken it by focusing on "a tingly feeling." It could be worse.



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Posted 28 December 2017 - 05:28 PM

Sharingan have 3 dots (like black spot) around the pupil right ?? each dot appears when the owner is in serious danger or experiencing traumatic events. In Sasuke case , if i remember the first dot appears when he fights Haku , the second appears when he fights Orochimaru at forest of death during chunnin exam , and the third dot appears when he fighst Naruto when hes about to go to Orochimaru hideout. In Salad case the first dot appears when she meets her beloved daddy for the first time and almost stab her to dead :lmao: , so she has 2 more dots to go ....


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Posted 28 December 2017 - 05:34 PM

This is another thing where Boruto goes against the spirit of the original manga. Well, most of it until the infamous final chapters. It was a reoccurring thing that the ninja system dehumanizes the people, instead turning them into weapons. It's why we get stuff like Itachi murdering his entire clan for the safety of Konoha, Gaara being born prematurely at the cost of his mother's life so they can seal the one tail into him, Zabuza having to kill his entire class in order to become a ninja... You get the point. It was always shown as a bad thing and one of Naruto's stated goals was to fix the system.

 

Except Naruto never does. Hell, Sasuke has spent years away from his family being nothing more than Naruto's secret weapon, doing dirty jobs Konoha cannot officially be linked to. We still see Konoha training children to be soldiers, and now the gadgets the movie once decried as cheating (never mind Naruto's Chunin exam featured a test based around cheating and not being caught) are being introduced as the newest stuff for our heroes to use. We have Naruto's son wanting nothing more for himself than to be a weapon for Sarada, with his whole arc being about learning to respect his father's ways and protecting Konoha.

 

Naruto became part of the problem, not the solution.

 

I've actually seen an anime where it's protagonist dedicated himself to being his friend's weapon. It did not end well for either of them, as they ended up being in a self-destructive codependent relationship.

The "Spirit" of Boruto is "The Spirit of Chapter 700." Endure all suffering, and forgive any crime cause there is nothing you or anyone else can do anyway. In the Boruto movie they also added a desire to be seen as cool which leads to his dream of becoming the Hokage's top hitman. Other then some legacy morals that carried over from Naruto. Boruto is nothing like Naruto, and not in a good way.

 

The problem of a reformist is they need to strike while the iron is hot, spend as much time as possible working on their reforms to make sure they work, and will survive once the reformer is gone. Also they should be resolute in their beliefs and determined to accomplish their goals in order to reform society. Hopefully for the better.

 

With Naruto even with what they gave us. According to the anime; he let Kakashi become hokage, and agreed to keep the Uchiha massacre truth a secret in order to let Sasuke out of jail. Then according to the light novels; he then spent two years behaving like a jackass doing nothing till the Last happened. Where in the Last: he was just the brute of the group doing whatever he was told, and we learned that apparently everything he ever said he believed in for fifteen years was a lie. Then he spends several years assing around while being Hinata's Husband doing God knows what?! Until Kakashi finally just retires and decided to give the job to him(chapter 700 & the oneshot). Where he has shown to be completely in over his head in merely running the village much less trying to change the very ninja system that controls the entire world, which he seems to have done nothing about (Boruto).


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Posted 28 December 2017 - 07:35 PM

I saw in previous pages the mentioning of Kishimoto's next manga will be debuted next year.

 

I'm interested to read this new manga at least the first few chapters to see if he'll redeem himself with this new manga. Redeeming himself would be by making the hero and heoines similar or the same as Naruto and Sakura, to see how he'll handle the story, and if he'll make the hero and heroine have the same dynamic and romantic moments as NS.

 

If he does the above mentioned then he'll be trying to make his own story this time with no much influence.

 

I'm willing to give him a chance with his next new manga if he meets the above listed.

Amazing ... you willing to give that liar a second chance and give him a chance to hurt you again , you have a big heart. In my opinion , he has all 3 years to redeem himself .... but he did nothing , it's getting his interview after The Last is getting worse and worse ... i'm willing to give him a second chance and read his next manga , i think he doesn't care about NS fan at all , the one word i remember very clearly is "Please look forward for my next manga" .... and i was like ... really?? is that all you have to say ?? maybe it's just me but he step on the fans he betray like some dirt , he doesn't care about us , he just want our money. BUT DON'T GET ME WRONG , i'm not saying you should stop supporting him , i'm just amaze of how kind you are.


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Posted 28 December 2017 - 07:55 PM

Amazing ... you willing to give that liar a second chance and give him a chance to hurt you again , you have a big heart. In my opinion , he has all 3 years to redeem himself .... but he did nothing , it's getting his interview after The Last is getting worse and worse ... i'm willing to give him a second chance and read his next manga , i think he doesn't care about NS fan at all , the one word i remember very clearly is "Please look forward for my next manga" .... and i was like ... really?? is that all you have to say ?? maybe it's just me but he step on the fans he betray like some dirt , he doesn't care about us , he just want our money. BUT DON'T GET ME WRONG , i'm not saying you should stop supporting him , i'm just amaze of how kind you are.

Me, I'm done with his crap.   He had years to set things straight with his fans, but instead he doubled down on his hypocrisy and lies.  He could've gone the J.K Rowlings route and acknowledged that he made mistakes with his series, but he continues to insult the collective intelligence of not only his fans but his own assistants - including his wife.   And I have no confidence that he won't commit similar travesties with his new work because as we've seen, he gives in too easily to peer pressure and expresses poor judgment in the face of criticism. After all, look at how he responded when people made their cases against Sakura's character.  They brought up how her co-dependent obsession over Sasuke hindered the development of her character and her role as the main heroine.  What was his conclusion based on that?

 

"Oh, I'll make her prettier." :cuss:

 

And each subsequent interview that pertains to Naruto following the series' conclusion does not paint a positive image of a man who has learned from the past.  We see that quite plainly with Boruto's narrative.  


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Posted 29 December 2017 - 12:05 AM

Amazing ... you willing to give that liar a second chance and give him a chance to hurt you again , you have a big heart. In my opinion , he has all 3 years to redeem himself .... but he did nothing , it's getting his interview after The Last is getting worse and worse ... i'm willing to give him a second chance and read his next manga , i think he doesn't care about NS fan at all , the one word i remember very clearly is "Please look forward for my next manga" .... and i was like ... really?? is that all you have to say ?? maybe it's just me but he step on the fans he betray like some dirt , he doesn't care about us , he just want our money. BUT DON'T GET ME WRONG , i'm not saying you should stop supporting him , i'm just amaze of how kind you are.

 

This remind me of a scene:

 

Fans: I'm sorry Kishimoto, this abuse can go on no longer, you promised so many wonderful things for us, and instead you hurt us, you hurt us time and again. Well no more. Goodbye Kishimoto.

 

Kishimoto: But what will you say if I make a new manga completely unrelated to Naruto.

 

Fans: I'll say I'm falling for your Bull**** all over again. LOVE ME KISHIMOTO SENSEI!!!!


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Posted 29 December 2017 - 12:40 AM

I'm more interested in what he going to do with him next manga because he knows he reputation is down the crapper, so what is he going to do about it?



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Posted 29 December 2017 - 02:00 AM

I'm more interested in what he going to do with him next manga because he knows he reputation is down the crapper, so what is he going to do about it?

 

Why...he will do what he always does Bail

 

Absolutely Nothing.


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Posted 29 December 2017 - 03:08 AM

The "Spirit" of Boruto is "The Spirit of Chapter 700." Endure all suffering, and forgive any crime cause there is nothing you or anyone else can do anyway. In the Boruto movie they also added a desire to be seen as cool which leads to his dream of becoming the Hokage's top hitman. Other then some legacy morals that carried over from Naruto. Boruto is nothing like Naruto, and not in a good way.

 

The problem of a reformist is they need to strike while the iron is hot, spend as much time as possible working on their reforms to make sure they work, and will survive once the reformer is gone. Also they should be resolute in their beliefs and determined to accomplish their goals in order to reform society. Hopefully for the better.

 

With Naruto even with what they gave us. According to the anime; he let Kakashi become hokage, and agreed to keep the Uchiha massacre truth a secret in order to let Sasuke out of jail. Then according to the light novels; he then spent two years behaving like a jackass doing nothing till the Last happened. Where in the Last: he was just the brute of the group doing whatever he was told, and we learned that apparently everything he ever said he believed in for fifteen years was a lie. Then he spends several years assing around while being Hinata's Husband doing God knows what?! Until Kakashi finally just retires and decided to give the job to him(chapter 700 & the oneshot). Where he has shown to be completely in over his head in merely running the village much less trying to change the very ninja system that controls the entire world, which he seems to have done nothing about (Boruto).

 

The most beautiful thing about arguments like this is the NH/SS Pro-Enders can't just write off such criticisms as butthurt shippers, and I've seen a lot of arguments like this floating around.


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Posted 29 December 2017 - 10:15 AM

I’m not a fan of SasuHina, but Ibhave a question. Does SP still have both Sasuke and Hinata interact? Like when he picks up Boruto?

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Posted 29 December 2017 - 07:23 PM

Not that you ever see, to my knowledge

 

 

The most beautiful thing about arguments like this is the NH/SS Pro-Enders can't just write off such criticisms as butthurt shippers, and I've seen a lot of arguments like this floating around.

 

Oh they ALWAYS write off such criticisms as being butthurt shippers, I guarantee you!!! :lmao: because to admit that it is a fair and completely accurate discription is to admit that their couples are a dysfunctional, illogical, unplanned mess, and their brains can't function on ANYTHING other than NaruHina. I'm not really using a hyperbole with that last one :no:   


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Posted 29 December 2017 - 08:08 PM

What was the point of Kakashi becoming Hokage? Like, did he actually achieve anything? Dod he change anything, dod he put any new policies into play? I know he bailed Sasuke out, but was there anything else he did for the village?

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Posted 29 December 2017 - 08:10 PM

What was the point of Kakashi becoming Hokage? Like, did he actually achieve anything? Dod he change anything, dod he put any new policies into play? I know he bailed Sasuke out, but was there anything else he did for the village?

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Posted 29 December 2017 - 08:10 PM

What was the point of Kakashi becoming Hokage? Like, did he actually achieve anything? Dod he change anything, dod he put any new policies into play? I know he bailed Sasuke out, but was there anything else he did for the village?

It happened because Kakashi wanted to make The Coolest Guy proud, by fulfilling the dream of The Coolest Guy by proxy.



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Posted 29 December 2017 - 11:05 PM

Amazing ... you willing to give that liar a second chance and give him a chance to hurt you again , you have a big heart. In my opinion , he has all 3 years to redeem himself .... but he did nothing , it's getting his interview after The Last is getting worse and worse ... i'm willing to give him a second chance and read his next manga , i think he doesn't care about NS fan at all , the one word i remember very clearly is "Please look forward for my next manga" .... and i was like ... really?? is that all you have to say ?? maybe it's just me but he step on the fans he betray like some dirt , he doesn't care about us , he just want our money. BUT DON'T GET ME WRONG , i'm not saying you should stop supporting him , i'm just amaze of how kind you are.

In terms of supporting, I don't support him much. The only kind of support is for a good manga by willing to give a second chance to see if he'll make a good story like he did before the start of Shinobi War. The story was good and decent at the time.

 

We know he can make interesting main characters and story, so he may very well make another interesting story and main characters. If he'll stand with his ideas, the hero and heroine being similar to Naruto and Sakura, and having the protagonist in love with the hero/ine along with an engaging beginning of the story, then we got ourselves a resurrection of a true story and NS.

 

At least with him standing with his ideas on the story which we'll see it from consistency and what will be of the main characters in similarity to his previous ones.

 

He has this final chance. What will he make of with his second chance ? Think about it.

 

For me, I'm interested to see how he'll unfold his next new manga and depicting the main characters. It's like he's at the same time thinking what he did in Naruto while planning, writing and organizing the new story. Surely, Naruto manga will cross his mind at least several times.


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Posted 30 December 2017 - 01:18 AM

What was the point of Kakashi becoming Hokage? Like, did he actually achieve anything? Dod he change anything, dod he put any new policies into play? I know he bailed Sasuke out, but was there anything else he did for the village?

SP wanted Hinata's big movie to feel important. Tsunade (until they changed her later on in the light novels) seemed like she would be a supporter of NS, and if not she too much like Sakura & would give Sakura too much importance other then bring Hinata's matchmaking wing man that does all the work. Not only that but they can put "Hokage Kakashi" in the advertisements to sell it to the Domestic Japanese fanbase because he is one of their favorite characters.


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Posted 30 December 2017 - 03:15 PM

What was the point of Kakashi becoming Hokage? Like, did he actually achieve anything? Dod he change anything, dod he put any new policies into play? I know he bailed Sasuke out, but was there anything else he did for the village?

 

He's was a bench warmer for Obito vicariously and Naruto literally, that's all that is needed to be known


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Posted 30 December 2017 - 06:55 PM

What was the point of Kakashi becoming Hokage? Like, did he actually achieve anything? Dod he change anything, dod he put any new policies into play? I know he bailed Sasuke out, but was there anything else he did for the village?

 

It was to make Naruto the seventh hokage. I mean Kakashi didn't even have his "perfect susanoo" sharingan anymore b/c he gave gave them back to the coolest guy in ninja heaven then came back.

 

Kishi had an obsession with the number 7. Team 7, chapter 700, 7th hokage, etc. But at least we got an awesome ending for it right? Pfffftttt. :hm:


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Posted 30 December 2017 - 08:40 PM

In terms of supporting, I don't support him much. The only kind of support is for a good manga by willing to give a second chance to see if he'll make a good story like he did before the start of Shinobi War. The story was good and decent at the time.

 

We know he can make interesting main characters and story, so he may very well make another interesting story and main characters. If he'll stand with his ideas, the hero and heroine being similar to Naruto and Sakura, and having the protagonist in love with the hero/ine along with an engaging beginning of the story, then we got ourselves a resurrection of a true story and NS.

 

At least with him standing with his ideas on the story which we'll see it from consistency and what will be of the main characters in similarity to his previous ones.

 

He has this final chance. What will he make of with his second chance ? Think about it.

 

For me, I'm interested to see how he'll unfold his next new manga and depicting the main characters. It's like he's at the same time thinking what he did in Naruto while planning, writing and organizing the new story. Surely, Naruto manga will cross his mind at least several times.

 

He's past his prime and the next step is towards retirement in the next decade or so. He should focus on  illustrating and leave alone writing for another person. That's what he's good at.


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