Don-kun

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Fine I think, so far so good, btw where are you? Are you busy or something?

Things as changed a lot for me, now a days I don't even have time to read the Manga plus the minute for internet is 0.39 cents a minute.

If you're wondering where I'm then I'm working in a Royal Caribean Cruise.

 

Excluding the alleged parallel that Sakura has with Rin, the single most important motivation behind Tobi's actions, she has no relevance in the current situation, you're right. That shouldn't prevent her from being able to continue fighting against the replicas though. The other user already stated it but Katsuyu is capable of healing independently from the summoner. Why she is only staring vacantly out into the battlefield atop her summon no one knows but it's of no benefit to anyone. Currently, her actions, or lack thereof, are reminiscent of the valueless child whose character Sakura has been striving so hard to overcome since the Forest of Death. Ironically she seems complacent with resembling that child. 

 

Try and prove that there is a reason for her absence apart from acting as a healer for the rabble. 

It's sad but I'm starting to believe that it have a lot to do with her conversation with Sai, if you notice after her surprised face fallowing Hinata's action Kishimoto excluded her from the Manga, it seems that in order for Kishimoto to create more tension he likes to keep things pending on the readers mind to keep them interested.

Another thing that is bothering me about this Manga is the lack of dialog, characters barely interact, it's a complete different from the start of this Manga when character did a lot of talking this just show that Kishimoto no longer has the same passion.

So if we follow that logic Sakura don't love Naruto either... Chapter 469 is similar to your exemple. Even Naruto says that Sakura  might sound convincing but he know that she is lying.

 

Do you agree with this ?

This is something we discuss many times in the past, Naruto never said Sakura was lying to him about her feeling for him plus Sai never stated that she was lying about loving Naruto, Naruto said that he new something was weird and told her to stop lying to herself about not caring about Sasuke when she clearly does, after all Yamato imply that she might feel something very strong for Naruto that goes beyond friendship and Sai told her that he doesn't understand that kind of feeling she has for him with out forgetting that Sakura herself says that only she know what she feels, so it doesn't contradict what I say, not to mention that not too long ago Naruto imply that there is more on less something between them and she didn't deny it when she could easily say no there is nothing between us or even ask him why would he lie to his father about them when they were talking alone.

The fact about the Manga is that he learn how to notice when Sakura was lying it was show back in the Sai and Sasuke arc and he specifically mention that he would never forget that smile, it was put on test back is the summit arc and once again it was use while questioning her regarding her trust towards Sasuke.

It's all in the Manga my friend.

It's like this, what she said could have been completely true, but her face says otherwise. What she said is more like something she wish to say with a complete face, but we know now that she's with everyone else: don't trust Sasuke. Sasuke has another agenda, but he won't reveal until well, Madara is out. We got a glimpse but that's all. Kishimoto clearly wants us to see it as a sign what's to come in the future. Even Orochimaru is waiting to see how Sasuke will execute his "wind".

I think this is too complicated, the purpose of Sai observation wasn't to tell the readers that what she said was something she wanted to believe, it's clear like water she wasn't being honest, does this have anything to do with her feelings for Sasuke getting weaker? Does it has anything to do with Sasuke's attempt of her life? Or doesn't it has something to do with her sensing some conflict between Sasuke and Naruto knowing that a fight could remember her what Naruto said to Sasuke back at summit? It could be reason one, two reason or the three of these reason might be bothering her regarding Sasuke but because she doesn't want anyone to start going against Sasuke at this time and they sure need his help she needs to pretend that everything is OK for the alliance and maybe for Naruto's sake after all he said that he will take care of Sasuke not the Rookies.

The only thing I'm regretting right now is not seeing Sai asking Sakura why is she lying about trusting him, what made her change her mind about him?

It will definitely continue, I am not saying it won't. But she lied to Sai not once with a fake smile and didn't mean her words and her actions were totally different. That's the case now as well.

 

Yup, I am planning to do it in the weekend. There are sooooooooooo many things I want to write about her smile. Showing why she doesn't trust Sasuke a long time ago. I think people missed many things from Sakura's character or missed them intentionally, especially other shippers. No mean to bash, tho'...

Yeah I also agree with that part, the point of that panel was to tell the readers that Sakura was lying.

Sorry but nobody care of sakura without thinking that is good for NS ?  sakura is so sad that she is obliged to lie to herself, and people are so happy for NS    she gaves a fake smile, yeah is a step to end SS but that's don't mean necessary that at the end it will be NS, I think if naruto had saw sakura like this he will be very very sad, or if he had saw sakura's tear, if sakura will come to naruto after and say that she loves him I don't think that naruto will be happy even if this time is a (little) true, naruto wants sakura's happiness more than all, so maybe it will be like jiraya/tsunade, their relationship was exactly like the relationship of narusaku and when Dan died Jiraya didn't take advantage of the situation to inlaying himself, even long after the death of Dan jiraya didn't imposed himself to tsunade, he made the idiot for that tsunade will not worry about everything,for that she lets off steam on him, jiraya have preferred the happiness of tsunade instead of his happiness, Naruto may very well do the same thing, seeing  sakura sad about loss of sasuke he will think he can't offer her what she desired Still, in real life it's not 'cause you love a girl who loves someone else and that this girl gave up the idea of ​​being together with the person that she loves, does that mean you'll be her boyfriend knows more sakura naruto love him, but Naruto does not know, and she also knows that Hinata loves Naruto, and whatever you say good hinata is a good person, do not hate sakura and I think she will do everything to for that Naruto together with hinata. you would like that sakura leaves behind her love for Sasuke, that Hinata do the same for naruto, but this is not because it will be together with naruto sakura forget for all her love for Sasuke, it can be together with naruto and continue to have some feelings for sasuke --' yes it can be true in real life, or naruto can end alone, really sorry for this post but I was tired to see everywhere(not particularly this forum don't take it personally) NS fan be so happy about the fake smile while sakura is suffering

First of all Dan and Tsunade were a married couple and if Jiraiya did return with Tsunade instead of staying with Nagato and crew maybe Dan and Tsunade would of never married each other.

Wassn't it imply that Naruto is Sakura source of happiness?

Wasn't shown that Sakura was not that happy about Hinata loving Naruto? Don't you think that she would smile of happiness becauseNaruto has someone who really loves him, but she could not because like Yamato was trying to imply, she does have feelings for Naruto.

Wasn't imply by Yamato that Sakura might feel something more than friendship for Naruto?

Wasn't shown that Naruto the Titular character was very heartbroken because of the Poal and the Hospital scene?

Who is the person Sakura trust the most?

Who is the person who is always there for her when she is ready to give up?

Wasn't it shown That Sakura want's to see Naruto dream of becoming Hokage?

Wasn't it shown that Sakura was devastated after finding out how Naruto feels about her and about the Kyuubi stuff?

Has Hinata ever thought about Naruto's loves, about what will make him happy, about his desire to save Sasuke, his loneliness, his dream etc?

Has Sasuke ever thought about what will make Sakura Happy?

Guess what Naruto and Sakura are the only ones that has being shown to care about the other to that extend, people should look on the fact that her feelings for Sasuke hurts her, her closeness with Naruto make her happy, people should look on the fact that Hinata only thinks about her wants while disregarding Naruto's want.

This isn't a story about Hinata feelings for Naruto or Sasuke getting the girl Naruto as always love because well he is Sasuke Uchiha, this is a story about Naruto's journey and the person who he shared that journey with him is Sakura and guess what they try there best to make each other happy so please that Hinata feelings stuff at this stage in nonsense, like I said the story is about Naruto not Hinata.

Sorry about the reply is just that I'm tired of reading post only focusing on the secondary character while ignoring all the things Naruto and Sakura has accomplish with each other and the lent they will go for each other plus the fact that one of them feelings is being spelled out by the Author while he himself imply that Sakura might also feel the same way.

Hinata has changed a lot and for the better because of Naruto's influence I think it's fear for Naruto to finally get something he really wants after all his effort and what he wants is not Hinata.

My prediction is that Sasuke want the Kages to witness how he remove the enemy from existence so in a way he can be seeing as a hero and get a clean sheet is addition to his plan it will make his path for Hokage a lot more easier.

 

I'm referring more towards her emotional resolution with him. I don't know if she would fight him but if she did it would probably be in tandem with Naruto. Still, I'm not sure that's even gonna happen.

 

I'm just wondering how will Kishi handle Sakura resolving her broken love for Sasuke. She needs closure but I don't know how she'll go about it. Her fake smile makes me feel more confused.

I would be a lot more confuse if she was genuinely happy he was there meaning that she completely disregard the murder attempt and their history, that's something that make absolutely no sense among readers. If she was worried about Sasuke that would be bad for NS, so she not trusting him or happy that he is around means that she is taking everything in consideration and if that's the case it means that she will think about their history, plus mistrust is the most effective way to get over someone you strongly love before, that means that you value yourself more than a crush while it also allow you to see others around you, people who actually cares about you.

Just look on Neji dying for Hinata but what is currently on her mind.

Hey, NaruSaku4Life3g, did you every finish that video review of the recent chapter? If you did, would you mind posting a link for it?

Same Avatar ah?

This is what I use on DA.

It's just character.

 

Their are some people even in real life that wouldn't give up on a family member even if they did wrong things in their life. Naruto is like that and since he consideres Sasuke to be like his brother I don't think he wants to give up hope that he can change. Same applies for Sakura although I do believe she was ready to let go at the kage summit arc but Naruto's words made her keep believing.

No offense but that was a terrible comparison, Family is Family and most of the times they look up for each other, Naruto and Sasuke not only didn't have a good relationship Sasuke call him out on his obsession to save him many time, tell him his brother is Itachi and no one else plus he try to kill him many times and refuse to be his friend, so if there is one thing I'm extremely critical about Naruto character is his obsession towards Sasuke and the fact that he would willingly throw all of Sasuke crap under the rug and act like if nothing wrong ever happen, but he will go against anyone that commit bad things.

So to me when it comes to Sasuke Naruto becomes one of the most hypocrite characters in this Manga.

You know something I just realized. It's sad that Sai said that since you're with him back in Team 7 days, what do she think and well, her response wasn't good. That said that's even more sad that even the reunion didn't make her "smile". It's as if to say, "Yeah, our relationship has been bad, even now makes nothing good out of it." Wow, this is more anti than I can even imagine. Sad to see the real smile from your sig. Oh man...

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Where did i said she wasnt on kage's level because she could not touch Madara?

The kages used different types of strategy, one of them was to trap him, then later tranformed A into a heavy missile enhancing his punch and making use of his speed and so on, and using different types of jutsus and combinations while Tsunade only had one strategy, use her body as a decoy with her immortality and punch him.

This is shows how she's limited, ofc she wont be able to defeat him neither the other kages, but if you compare her to the other kages which can have a lot of different strategies and more resources than just brute strenght.

Tsunade is not on kage's level.

Minato has strong defensive and strong offensive skill with his Thunder god technique, strong supportive skills with his seals.

Naruto is basically complete but doesnt have healing.

Sakura nad Tsunade is nowhere near, she only has one offensive skill with his her brute strenght, she doenst have speed, she doesnt have a strong defense, she only has strong supportive defensive skills with her healing and her summon.

 

About A, he has a high speed, and relies on that, his lighting shield serves as defense and even as offensive, he's a balanced on that, you cant touch him when he's with his shield activated, he only lacks ranged attacks, which is overrided by his high speed.

Hokage candidat doesnt mean kage's level you know very well the deal they made for tsunade to be hokage, none of the stronger ninjas of the village(that are on kage's level) wanted to be one.

I think you're not undestanding the difference that not being on kage's level doesnt mean she's weak.

 

@megi yes it makes her less powerfull, due to the lack of options and  this affect the strategies that she can adopt.

Forgetful aren't we?

I'm going to lough myself off when it's proven that Sasuke's intention are not like someone as Tobi, Madara, Pain or worst Orochimaru.

I believe Sasuke's intention are similar to those of Danzō with a lest intense darkness, honestly those who believe Sasuke is going to become evil again are setting themselves up for a huge disappointment, since the furthest he might become is a dictator who doesn't care what others think who only wants to create peace on his own selfish way disregarding others feelings meaning that if Naruto and Sasuke fight isn't for the tittle of Hokage it would be a clash of ideal.

I'm a user who goes from indifferent to dislike towards Sasuke character and even I can understand that Kishi won't make Sasuke a full flag villain unless he is planing to kill him off, so even if Sasuke takes possession of the Ten Tail it will mostly be because he wants to revive everyone in a dream world without the killing everyone in his way part to avoid creating another Tobi/Obito in himself.

You mean battle wise? 

Everything, am just tired of the Sakura bashing, Sakura not doing enough, abusive wife, criticism etc. I mean Sakura as change a lot since middle part one so why is so hard for readers to notice it and be satisfy with her progress?

It's funny I read that NH fans stated that NS is like a Manzai couple, a tyipical comic duo very clichè in Japan.

 

Ignorance will be never erased

 

631 was all comic and jokes, 632 confirmed Sakura's love for Sasuke since he fangirled to him and Naruto was upset because he was ignored by her despite he also saved her, 633 reaffirmed that NH is still the main pairing and Naruto is love with her because he squeezed her hand and have smiled to her...

 

I guess we must close this forum because they've already decided that NH is canon and NS is just a creepy comical and fraternal couple.

 

Sorry for the outburst but sometimes some kinda certain situations are really unthinkable...

You know what I do each time I log in on NF?

Never visit the ANS FC, SS FC or and worst the NH FC, the more vocal fans and the ones who constantly twist fact to use it to favor their view I add them to my ignore list. Reading rational fans thought is far more healthier than reading fans thought that omit event from the Manga because it does not help their argument and worst when they act childish.

It was hard for me at the start but it's a lot better to ignore them and if you really want to read opposing opinion read them from the ones who does not like any pairing.

At it's base, Hinata's technique was at least original. And it was the base model only, it can only be improved.

 

As for the person who said about Naruto being unoriginal with the Rasengan, I think you'll find that transforming it into the Rasenshuriken and being able to throw it constitutes a massive deviation from the original.

 

And as for Sakura's technique, it's the culmination of 3 years of stored chakra. So she needs to store up three years worth of chakra to become that powerful. I think you'll find that with anyone if they stored up that much chakra they'd be as powerful. And as I said, it's just like Tsunade's technique. There is no difference. Because to the point, they're not supposed to be fighters. They're medics. And their style isn't really a style, it's just straight up brawling.

 

As for the Sasori fight....it was pretty much Chiyo doing everything. If Chiyo hadn't been there, Sakura would have been quickly overwhelmed. And the only thing that she did that was effective was to allow Chiyo to make her into a 'human puppet'.

Sakura is stronger than Hinata get, over it.

Sakura is Naruto's love interest, get over it.

Sakura at the end of the Manga will become the strongest Kunoichi and best medic in the Manga, get over it.

Hinata is a side character Sakura is a main character, get over hit.

Finally with the direction of the Manga it seems that Sakura will be the wife on Mother of the blond Hokage child, get over it.

If you hate Sakura so much why you keep posting in a place where everyone's loves her?

Your comment will not rile me up since all I need to say is that Hinata will never the the great woman that Sakura is destined to be.

I think is would be possible to think that IF Tsunade wasn't about to give him a chance. Tsunade was going to give him that date when he came back but he never did so I think that says a lot.

 

Also I think it is a better theme to have Naruto surpass his master by actually getting the girl and having a happy ending with her, every other parallel with NaruSaku either never gets to the point of romance (JirTsu) or ends with a tragedy due to circumstances (MinaKushi), the best way for Naruto AND Sakura to surpass the old generation is to get to the level of romance and in the end have a happy ending. This allows Naruto to get the girl and for Sakura to let go of her past crush.

 

Just my thoughts

I get what you meant great post.

I read Strider post he also made some good point but it was more about Sakura not allowing her past to consume and stop her from finding happiness, Naruto to finally achieve what he wanted, save is friend and get the girl, Sasuke would be able to make a better choice with his life and finally accept and acknowledge his friend, sadly this didn't have anything to do with Hinata.

Or... ends up with Sasuke and enjoys an abusive relationship

This was a really silly reply to a great post.

I know you're joking but I still wanted to say that.