Tsuki Hoshino

I don't know about that, but the Bleach and Naruto Fandoms which were super active at the same time had a lot of cross shipping. There were Naruhina shippers who also shipped Ichirukia but there were also Narusaku shippers who shipped it and ofc there were Ichihime shippers like me who  shipped Narusaku. 

It was a crazy experience because the Ichihimes actually had to create a fanforum a lot like this one to avoid harassment. 

TLDR: Shippers and fandoms are weird. 

Way to Edo Tensei a dead thread   

But largely I agree. Sakura's character isn't the issue, its the readers. Sakura was at her absolute BEST Vs Sasori and you still had people kittening that she was "useless" Nevermind that Chiyo admits she couldn't have done it without her, Nevermind how impressed Sasori was. Nevermind that Sakura managed to somehow reach the heart of a socalled "heartless" monster and get him to literally suicide himself once he realized everything he ever accomplished was absolutely pointless. 

What so many readers wanted was a perfect little angel love interest and Sakura didn't fit that mold. She was brash, strict with the MC and often self-focused. She can be capable of great kindness and selfless gestures at times, but then she couldf turn around the next second and slap someone for being stupid. 

It seems to me that a lot of people forget that EVERYONE disliked Naruto as a kid and it wasnt just because he was a Jinchuuriki. He was purposely annoying and he relished the attention he got for pissing people off, including Sakura. Its easy to forget all that because the reason was he was lonely.  

 

And when she (very briefly) considered talking to her husband about their son and the rift between them, she refrained from doing so because she did not want to burden her husband with the issue.

 

"Burden."  That's how she views her child's thoughts and feelings of neglect and uncertainty.     

 

 

And before him was Sarada, to whom he expressed far more emotional investment and support to than he ever demonstrated toward either of he and Hinata's spawns.

 

 

Further proof that Naruto likes every kid more than he likes his own. Or maybe he just likes Sakura's kid more than his.   (I don't blame him.) Oddly, Burrito is really more of a Narusasu love child than he is NH. He's got Naruto's "looks" a chunk of his attitude for no conceivable reason since he's not really a "neglected" child and he's got Sasuke's easy achievements due to natural "Talent" ego and perceived popularity.  Hell, he's apparently got Sasuke's snake summons. 
 

 

I think a post-series Naruto should be a complete OP broken monster based on all the skills and abilities they gave him throughout the war arc.  Does this mean they would need to utilize him in the story? Nah. If I were writing the sequel series, Naruto's son (Shinachiku) would be handling smaller scale threats and we would revisit the street level strategy focused combat that made Part 1 so great. Maybe every once in a while having one of these guys try to flex on one of Naruto's shadowclones only to get utterly embarrassed. Either way, Naruto is largely out of focus and storylines won't involve stopping invincible poorly written eldritch abominations every story arc. A sequel series should involve the series getting back to its roots and actually being about ninjas once again.

I don't disagree, the whole series is broken when it comes to power which is why him struggling in Boruto is so annoying. 

The only issue I have with this is that there really aren't any stakes for Shina since his father (and his mom) are so OP, whatever happens to him they'll fix or stop right away. I mean its really the same issue with Burrito--they had to remove Naruto from the series for him to finally stand on his own. Although, it does leave room for Shina to struggle and define himself apart from his parents. 

Holy crap! 

 

It's been a long time since a page was so active on this site. It's kind of refreshing, not gonna lie. 

I'm like a boomerang, sure I leave but I come back eventually   

there is something nostalgic about Naruto for a lot of us--i mean all of us spent YEARS following it, hard not to think about it occasionally. 

I always foresaw Hokage Naruto mastering the shadow clone jutsu to the extent that it was not only impossible to tell the difference between the clones and the real one (with a running gag being that Sakura was probably the only person in the world who could immediately distinguish the clones from the real one), but that Naruto would have at least 10,000 clones active at ALL TIMES. ...

And I don't see anything unethical about having clones do the paper work. That's just stupid Boruto writing.

seems a little OP to me but then again considering the how kittened the power scale became in this series--why not?   Its an interesting idea even if its not necessarily something I would write. 

Meh, nah Sakura needs to have like something for herself outside of Naruto. Her own little kingdom in the hospital where she can play Dr. Tyrant to her little hearts desire.
 

 

That really is one double standard I will never understand. he's too busy to spend time with his kids but he can afford to adopt another one and gives the adopted kid his undivided attention. 

I wonder how that conversation went with Hinata. (oh wait no I don't because it was probably; "Of course Naruto-kun, whatever you say Naruto-kun~" ) This IS the woman who told her son, with his hurt feelings to suck it up because his dad had more important things than their family. 

I'm not arguing that they can't work, I'm just saying that if they "needed" Family issues of contention that would probably be their biggest issue. Sakura is way more work driven than Naruto and considering how high-strung she tends to be, everything is a crisis that needs immediate solving. Just my thoughts tho. 

I'm not sure Kakashi can be bribed into that, but Shikamaru? He'd be left miserably holding the bag because someone has to do it   
On the subject of Naruto being ignorant; Its just very odd to me that Naruto, despite hardly ever being home and soooo busy, whose having issues with his own son just picks up some random kid and plops him into his house. (And don't get me wrong, what little I know of Kawaki makes me like him more than Burrito, he's infinitely more sympathetic than "waaaah my daddy skipped dinner to work again.") but If that's the way that you're adopting kids, you're doing it wrong. 

 

You don't understand, Sasuke is so attractive even dinosaurs love him 

Honestly, I feel like I should've been rooting for Sakura x Lee all these years. Like Hinata is the main character's wife and that's how she ended up. Nothing against Naruto, I still love NS but damn, the writers really did a lot of these couples and characters kitten. 

It seems to be the MAIN characters of the OG that are really kittened over. Naruto, Sakura, Sasuke. 

I'd say Hinata but 1. she's not a main and 2. she got everything she ever wanted until her hubby got snatched up and sealed away   

Lee's out there living his best life with his mini clone, Orochimaru got what he always wanted and never deserved. Temari and Shika are fine, Ino and Sai are living the life one might have hoped for Sakura to have. Tenten's got a kitten failing weapons business, Konohamaru's basically...useless and Gaara's life isn't what I expected but meh, it could be worse? 

TBH I pissed off about Mei. Mei wanted to get married and it should have happened instead of being treated as a joke 

 

I don't see Sakura acting quite the same way as Hinata in that scenario. Due to preexisting development from Sakura on this, the scene would play off of what Yamata and Sakura talked about in chapter 297. I definitely didn't mean throwing in a love confession just yet. I think the only proper way to do an NS confession is to have Naruto finally correct the mistake he made in chapter 3 and simply utter those words himself without being disguised as Sasuke. In my mind, Sakura is always going to have lingering feelings for Sasuke until realizing that it was Naruto who said those words in chapter, not Sasuke. 

 

I agree with you on there not actually being much of a Tsunade/Orochimaru parallel. I was mistaken.

 

 

Exactly. If Sasuke came back after the first timeskip looking like a troll, SS would've been sunk right then and there. And that's sad.    The way they interact makes it abundantly clear that it was never intended on actually being a serious relationship.

 

 

 

Okay, well I agree that swapping Sakura in place of Hinata doesn't mean that the scenario plays out the same. It probably wouldn't have mattered much to the fandom if Sakura swooped in there though because they would have said "oh look Sakura is abandoning her duty to administer medical aid to get herself killed. Useless kitten" Or something   

And you're absolutely right that coming full circle to chapter 3 and finally revealing that it was NARUTO not Sasuke who loved the thing about her Sakura hated most would have tied the whole thing up. It explains why Sakura couldn't let go of Sasuke and it would be the thing that could finally let her move on. but alas. 

Its an easy mistake to make tbh, Kishimoto did the love triangle teams so many times   

Again, its easy to see why SASUKE would want to be with Sakura. She accepts every bad thing he does, lets him do whatever he wants, fawns all over him and when he wants it (and probably even when he doesn't   ) he's got it. WTF does Sakura get FROM HIM? He's not around, he's not emotionally supportive because that's just not in his character, they don't share any common interests, their attitudes are complete opposite...

I actually DO understand why the fandom "likes it" because dark mysterious guy with a traumatic past+ healing, supportive long suffering woman who brings him into the light is a common trope for a reason...  but what people really seem to like about SS is the headcanons they project onto and into what's actually happening. "Oh Sasuke is really super into Sakura, its just no one call tell except her! And he's like, the best daddy evaaaa super protective and supportive." despite all evidence otherwise. 

Since I write Sasosaku I run into a lot of people who ship all sorts of things. I get people who hate Sasuke, I get people who ship SS and Multisaku's but the one thing almost everyone agrees on is that they don't like how SS comes across in CANON and that's gratifying. 
 

I think the biggest issue Narusaku would have faced as a married couple with kids is actually finding time together. You'll never convince me that Orphan From Birth Naruto would prefer paperwork to family time even as Hokage--that man would be using Kagebunshin to do the village work and nagging his workaholic wife to come out of the hospital for a few hours and play hookey with him and the kids  

I think its a bit silly to assume that because Hinata ended up as Naruto's housewife, Sakura would suffer the same fate in an NS ending just because Ikemoto is a POS. The difference is Hinata never had anything going for her besides Naruto, there was never really a second option for her since her only interests were him and knitting. Her own father said she lacked the will to fight and he didn't care if she died way back in part one TO KURENAI'S FACE much less. Presumably the only reason she became a ninja for even as short time was because she was forced but saw Naruto trying his best and it inspired her to do the same.

Once again I love how Hiashi being an absolute kitten bag of a father was just wiped away in this travesty of a series like so many other things.

I think SP has more control than you think considering they literally made up filler to redeem Hiashi of all this and show that princess Hinata was a hidden gem her family glossed over all along. 
 

To convert us but since our eyes are blind to the truwub-rays of SS  they want us to disappear.   
 

...What?

 

That-That sounds like a contingency plan that would come straight out of the demented mind of the Queen of Yandere, Yuno-freaking-Gasai.  There's nothing humorous or charming about this - least of all, romantic!

 

For goodness sake, this is the kind of crap that fanfiction writers used to parody about Sakura. Now, the official material not only seeks to affirm that flanderization, but go a step further.  Yet, we're expected to be good little sycophantic sheep and support this depraved mockery of Sakura's character because it's what the author gave us? 

 

Yeah, kitten that.

Actually this is perfectly IN character for Sakura (and all the main cast) when it comes to Sasuke. The man's got some weird-ass pheromones that turns everyone stupid when they come near him. Sucks that this is what they come up with though. 

I mean, why wouldn't they up the ante in regards to Sakura's obsessive love when the fandom eagerly gobbles it up? "Oh you LIKE crazy women and emotionally detached men?? WELL, WE'LL MAKE HER EVEN CRAZIER AND HIM EVEN LESS INTERESTED!!!" 
 

Her wanting to edo-tensei Sasuke and herself is just par for course for the fanfic tier writing that is SS. I wonder how Sakura would feel is Sasuke was morbidly obese (but maintained all of his other qualities).

If he's not handsome, what of him is of interest to her? Unless the thing that really turns Sakura on is fawning over people who ignore her and playing the victim of how "She barely sees her husband" Literally don't understand what SAKURA gets from Sasuke. I understand what HE gets from her, but relationships that are successful require some sort of feedback and reciprocity that these two don't have. 

If you haven't seen Guardians of the Galaxy 3 yet, here is my endorsement; Its solid, emotional and highly enjoyable. I cried a lot   

This is how to do a "Found family" correctly, not the WTkittenY Kishimoto force fed us. 

You know, I can't say I really ever shipped Peter/Gamora but taking a hard look at their character dynamic I'm reminded of NS--and I'm going to leave it at that in case anyone else is waiting to see the movie. 

The Sakura still fawning over Sasuke bit feels like arrested development. As even Ino points out, Sakura has been married to Sasuke for years. She should at least be used to his look enough so she doesn't fawn over him like a school girl over their first crush. For Pete's Sake, they had a child together.

 

Again, permanently fixed on her tween mindset when it comes to Sasuke. Its not cute or romantic, its just embarrassing. Yes, its all well and good to remain attracted to the person you married YEARS after you married them (In fact, you should, that's ideal.) If you look like you're about to cream your pants in public whenever you so much as catch sight of them in the background...its creepy. 

I guess in Sakura's defense, she sees him so rarely its easy to forget how good looking he is.  Weirdos.


Once Sakura Edo-Tensei's Sasuke, she can make sure he never leaves her again by using a seal to strip him of all will    ITS PERFECT! 

Meh, I'm off to watch GoG3 with the fam. 

The timing of its writing could be the reason for the weird Dinosaur kitten, i guess it could also be that boys tend to like dinosaurs anyways.

 

Ah. Sorry skipped over that. She was injured by Jiji and her left arm was trapped along with her legs...though only enough she couldn't move them not any harm what so ever. It was just an excuse so Sasuke would worry and rescue her.

 

 

This just makes me more furious. Tsunade was literally bisected still managed to survive it. She can lift massive trees, rip open the earth, punch alien Goddesses and cave in the heads of mini bijuu but now Sakura's now so weak and pathetic she has to lay there pinned like a butterfly for her handsome prince to save her   Couldn't use one hand to slowly crush the debris holding her down, couldn't just lift it all up with super strength. What a bunch of contrived kitten.

This is a thing about the romance in Naruto that is super annoying. In order to show that the men "care" about the women, the women have to be rescued from dumb situations. Maybe it wouldn't be so bad if something of consequence actually happened to Sakura but the way they did it makes her seem lesser.  (consistent with how they handle her at this point  ) Taking her out and putting her in danger CAN be done. Sudden and instant head blow--out cold, no way to recoup herself. Chakra eating poison that prevents her from healing herself/ using super strength. The more she tries to use it, the more damage she does to herself.



Given how bad her character is when it comes to Sasuke I wouldn't put past her to purposely lay there to get some attention 

Well now that I have read the Sasuke manga. Therece if you think that is romantic...you have a disturbing taste. What is romantic about someone dreaming about their love dying so they could revive them with Edo tensei and wanting them to do the same to themselves so they can live together forever as zombies?

 

Sakura has clearly considered it and clearly wants Sasuke to do that same if something would happen to her. With the only thing stopping her from going through with it is the rest of the cast would stop them

Lets just remember that Edo Tensei requires a LIVING sacrifice so Sakura's giving him permission to kill some rando. Wow Sakura, what a mature thing to do. Like, what even happened to her character. "Sasuke you can't just run off to pursue revenge against the people who ruined your life, that'd be wrong and self destructive for you! If you do that Naruto and I will chase you down and drag you home." to "Sasuke, BE SURE TO RIP MY SOUL FROM THE AFTER LIFE SO WE CAN BE TOGETHER FOREVAAAAA."

Comparing Minato, Itachi and every one else being Edo tensei'd is weird since NO ONE seems to enjoy being brought back. [except Deidara who was just happy to explode stuff again and Madara who dictated it.] Its almost universally seen as a disgusting thing to do and perverts the natural order.

interesting how SS as a pair is happy to stoop to those levels, really speaks to their weird "relationship" and makes it seem permanently fixed on angsty tween levels. 
 

 No family photos, Sasuke produced a child and then never visited said child for 12 years and zero excuse not to, apparently not even there for her birth. S and S had never kissed at that point. Sakura not even recalling if Sasuke had glasses and was in horrible debt with zero help from Sasuke. Kishimoto's original comments about Gaiden was for the fans to decide who was Salad's real biological mother. A novel that pretty much told us that Sakura followed Sasuke and bothered him non-stop until he caved and 'married her'.
 

Sasuke was there for the birth, but he left pretty much right after  I said this years ago when these chapters first came out but my dad from LITERAL WARZONES still managed to get in contact with us kids even as bombs were going off in the background. The only person Sasuke bothered to call while he was away was his boyfriend Naruto. There is no excuse for him other than not caring and that's clear from the writing.   

Soldiers have to have breaks in their service so they can return home and decompress before returning to their posts but in 12yrs Sasuke takes zero. 

Oh, and Sakura became so bad of a medic that she couldn't sooth a child-fever and it caused Salad eye damage that's the beautiful excuse for the glasses. 

I think so much of non-shippers negative feelings about the sequel is that no one wanted or imagined THIS to be the adult lives of their fav characters.

Excluding the fact that its ridiculous for those reasons, I don't know where Kakashi gets the moral authority to say "Revenge is bad" when he is a career mercenary. He gets PAID to occasionally kill people. (they do other things but that's a significant part of a ninja's work life.) Pursuing a person who killed every other family member you ever had is a lot more noble than merking some rando on the street. 

Now if I want to be kind and give Kakashi some leeway (meh.)  the argument could be made that he looked at Sasuke and saw with his years of experience that revenge would only further deteriorate his mental stability (which seems likely.) 

So what we're left with is basically: Kakshi wanted to help Shikamaru because 1. Asuma was HIS friend so he selfishly wanted to pursue his own revenge 2. Shikamaru wasn't unhinged like Sasuke and was therefore worthy of his assistance. 

Or maybe he learned after Sasuke left that its better to go along and chaperone teenagers and their homicidal revenge schemes. who knows. 

It sounds like you have something against gay people.

What a nice, tiny grainy image you've provided--one that has no context attached to it whatsoever. Let me be generous enough to believe that it's what you claim it is; That's super helpful in a conversation where you've been repeatedly told; popularity? No one cares. What we're concerned with is writing. is it consistent? nope. Is it clear? nope. Does it seem mutual and healthy? Def not.  

You don't have any proof that SS is what boosted Sakura's popularity since it was popular before it was ever canon and I'm inclined to believe youre pulling those numbers from your ass too.  Forget about I've said about SS and LOOK at what YOU'VE agreed to. "Yes. SS is badly written." But you're still trying to justify it because the pairing is "popular." It. doesn't. matter. 

I don't know what your end goal is but I'm going to ignore you from here on out since you have nothing new or valid to discuss.