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Posted 30 January 2020 - 04:02 AM

 

 

I see two problems with Sakura's character/story and why people didn't like her.

 

First, her story never gets finished. She has as good arc and is an active part of Team 7, all the way up through the 'thank you' hug scene in Shippuden. But after that, her story completely flatlines. There is no more growth, no more challenge. Her confession? Just a plot device to move Naruto along after Sasuke. It changed nothing for either Naruto or Sakura. Kishimoto leaves Sakura with all the desperation and bad decisions and scuttled confession, and never writes her learning from it, or there being a positive outcome. Sakura is never shown turning Naruto's head. He still is as focused on Sasuke as ever, until the very end. Sakura's story is never finished.

 

Second, Sakura will forever be unfairly compared to Hinata. Not compared to the best version of what her own character could have been, as the single heroine and love interest of the story. Though it didn't start out this way, by the end, Sakura's character is placed in stark comparison to Hinata's character, over and over and over again. And there is literally not enough about Hinata to even dislike. Hinata's whole sick focus is on Naruto. And she is rewarded for that. Kishimoto draws her in flattering, wide-eyed poses, and she is constanly shown as fearful/worried and needing to be saved. Even her brief flashes of bravery are tied to Naruto somehow. She is shown as the damsel in distress, and she is given pretty speeches about how great Naruto is when she is saved. Every friggin time. Sakura gets none of this treatment. Even though she is braver, more heroic, more kind-hearted and would literally die to save Naruto (not trip over a rock).

 

I don't think the problem is with Sakura. If you took Hinata out of the story (which literally wouldn't change the story a bit), then there is no one else for Sakura to be compared to. And her efforts would shine out like they should. But instead, Kishimoto put a big red arrow  flashing "love interest" over Hinata and gave her sappy lines only adoring Naruto over everything and everyone else (including her dead cousin), and people fell for it. 

 

  :goodjob:  Damn, girl, talk about being on point!! :love: And I feel too that that really is a shame Sakura is always like that.


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Posted 31 January 2020 - 05:42 PM

 

 

I see two problems with Sakura's character/story and why people didn't like her.

 

First, her story never gets finished. She has as good arc and is an active part of Team 7, all the way up through the 'thank you' hug scene in Shippuden. But after that, her story completely flatlines. There is no more growth, no more challenge. Her confession? Just a plot device to move Naruto along after Sasuke. It changed nothing for either Naruto or Sakura. Kishimoto leaves Sakura with all the desperation and bad decisions and scuttled confession, and never writes her learning from it, or there being a positive outcome. Sakura is never shown turning Naruto's head. He still is as focused on Sasuke as ever, until the very end. Sakura's story is never finished.

 

Second, Sakura will forever be unfairly compared to Hinata. Not compared to the best version of what her own character could have been, as the single heroine and love interest of the story. Though it didn't start out this way, by the end, Sakura's character is placed in stark comparison to Hinata's character, over and over and over again. And there is literally not enough about Hinata to even dislike. Hinata's whole sick focus is on Naruto. And she is rewarded for that. Kishimoto draws her in flattering, wide-eyed poses, and she is constanly shown as fearful/worried and needing to be saved. Even her brief flashes of bravery are tied to Naruto somehow. She is shown as the damsel in distress, and she is given pretty speeches about how great Naruto is when she is saved. Every friggin time. Sakura gets none of this treatment. Even though she is braver, more heroic, more kind-hearted and would literally die to save Naruto (not trip over a rock).

 

I don't think the problem is with Sakura. If you took Hinata out of the story (which literally wouldn't change the story a bit), then there is no one else for Sakura to be compared to. And her efforts would shine out like they should. But instead, Kishimoto put a big red arrow  flashing "love interest" over Hinata and gave her sappy lines only adoring Naruto over everything and everyone else (including her dead cousin), and people fell for it. 

 

Indeed, She lacked a resolution to her character despite being hyped up to drive the story as much as her teammates, and fell flat at the end because no one can interfere with Naruto and Sasuke's destined clash. But I don't think that is why haters hate her, because you don't see the complaints being about that. It is all "Sakura is  a kitten." "She is mean and abusive to Naruto" "She doesn't deserve Naruto." "Just have that sexy, stone cold Bastard Boyfriend Sasuke Uchiha smack some sense into you and make way for the OTP Naruto Uzumaki and Hinata Hyuga". None of the complaints I have ever heard in my life about Sakura Haruno from her haters and Hinata fanatics has ever been about what she lacks as a character. It has always been that she is shipping material and just because she was among the many many villagers that did not show Naruto any affection as a kid she is demonized. But what makes it especially unforgivable in her haters eyes, is that she was the object of Naruto's affections. That apparently is the double standard here when I think about it, because I don't see even the nameless villagers that gave him cold heartless gazes and pull their children away from him getting a fraction of the hate Sakura was getting. Nor were any of Sasuke's other fan girls, including Ino were raged at for crushing on him for being a bad boy, instead of the poor socially and emotionally abused orphan Naruto Uzumaki. And again here is another double standard too ,they accuse Sakura not being of any comfort to Naruto and just stood back and watched him be ostracized, but Hinata did the same since according to the story the two were never acquainted in childhood either. But despite that, Sakura is the only one that gets bashed for it.

 

And ultimately I and some others here have had this pointed out many many times. Sakura had grown exponentially as a character from the early to mid stages of the time skip a.k.a. Shippuden that you could swear that you were not even looking same character anymore. But will any of her haters acknowledge that character development? NOPE :no: So you see, it doesn't really matter how well developed Sakura's character is or even if her character arc concluded properly she will always be a character hated more than the most unsympathetic, vile villains in the  story because she is supposed to be Naruto's love interest but she is nothing but a "ball buster" to him and drools over the "cool mysterious bad boy" which again all of this grudge is stemming form Naruto's abused and tragic childhood.

 

Your second point, sadly, is the prime, de facto argument all of Sakura's haters will ever use to try win these debates. Sakura is not Hinata. Sakura will never be as good as Hinata. Sakura is not worthy of standing in the same presence as Hinata. Why is this? Again Hinata was the one crushing one the sad lonely little orphan when no one else did. Especially Sakura, whom again did not, despite Naruto having a crush on her and has shown time and time again genuine love for her. That is why these Hinata cultists are so enamored with her. I don't think I need to say more because this, I am sure is the only reason Hinata is loved the way she is and Sakura is always compared to her in a negative way. And as you have said before Tricksie, all of those that empathize with Naruto never having his crush look his way and instead  squealling over the "bad boy" want sweet, vicarious, emotional revenge by imagining Naruto getting hitched with Hinata and if Sakura wants him afterwards he will say to her " GET LOST, you're not worth it anymore!!! I have found an even better woman!!!" :kukuku:

 

Anyways that is how I view things, and judging by how these fanatics argue things I don't think I'm wrong. You are of course very right, but that is not how these haters view it I think, because they never have and never will complain about how Sakura lacks development. They just viciously tear into her for not, being worthy of Naruto's affections because of her initial treatment of him. Yet ironically, every time Hinata is on panel or screen it is SUCH A HUGE STEP IN DEVELOPING HER to be Naruto perfect trophy wife. :zaru:   


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Posted 31 January 2020 - 07:38 PM

Well every panel Hinata is on has to be important; because she has so few panels over the course of fifteen years the manga was being made.



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Posted 31 January 2020 - 08:43 PM

Anyways, it's defintely safe to say that Sakura's story never getting the seal is a result of this kitten ending. With the Team 7 love-triangle, Sakura was never meant to be with Sasuke. It was painfully obvious that it was supposed to be something that she matured from while falling for the protaganist. How many characters, including Sakura, did we see take go backwards or just get left in the dust completely? Too many to count. Unfortunately, because of what happened with this ending (Hinata getting Naruto), this had to happen to her. Perhaps what you outlined could have been addressed. We'll never know.

I wish I could like this post more than once. You nailed in one paragraph (really one sentence) what I spent probably a hundred of them on.

 

There's really NOTHING MORE TO IT. I can't emphasize that enough.



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Posted 31 January 2020 - 09:17 PM

I think I'll have to both agree but also disagree with this. It's not really her story overall, because her story is okay. People are just unfair, honestly. 
 
There are a lot of external factors as to why people weren't too fond of Sakura and why people were fond of Hinata. Overall, manga Sakura is alright. Could her story be better? Of course. But as to why people don't like her- I wouldn't credit much to her story. Also, the same arguments towards Sakura could also be made in retrospect towards Naruto and why there are people who support Sasuke over him, for example. I suppose we'll never know what would have happened if this ending didn't happen.
 
Anyways, it's defintely safe to say that Sakura's story never getting the seal is a result of this kitten ending. With the Team 7 love-triangle, Sakura was never meant to be with Sasuke. It was painfully obvious that it was supposed to be something that she matured from while falling for the protaganist. How many characters, including Sakura, did we see take go backwards or just get left in the dust completely? Too many to count. Unfortunately, because of what happened with this ending (Hinata getting Naruto), this had to happen to her. Perhaps what you outlined could have been addressed. We'll never know.
 
Sakura being unfairly compared to Hinata defintely comes from the bias of Studio Perriot and discrimantory behaviour from Western fans. I'm not sure how many of you watched the Englsh dub of Naruto, but for some of the main characters, their voices were not the best. Namely, Naruto and Sakura's voice actors. They could get super annoying. Sakura's voice actor especially, because her voice had a tendency to get aggressive-annoying. It was a huge turn-off. Her original Japanese voice actor fit her character perfectly. Thanfully, I watched the Japanese version, but for those who watched the dub (which I'm assuming is a good portion), it's really unfortunate.
 
Furthermore, Studio Perriot definetly discriminated against Sakura for the most non-existent reasons. As a woman, it's incredibly infuriating to see what they did to her as the heroine of the story. SP literally distorted her character appearance (prime example: flat-chested with no figure, despite the fact that she is NOT LIKE THIS in the manga). What is mind-blowing is that she is the average standard in that regard too. kittening kitten.), added FALSE character traits/abilities that contribute to her undesirability/unlikeliness (can't cook, super spikey short hair, no figure, "AbUSivE") etc. Not only that, but there is so much filler of Sakura being portrated as a tsundere, and to people who don't even know what that is, they would be confused and turned-off if it is excessive. 
 
And to add the icing and cherry on the cake, Studio Perriot over the series added an endless barrage of Hinata FILLER, despite her having very limited appearances in the manga (to be expected, as she is, and always will be, a secondary character)The amount of added filler they did for a background character like her is unprecedented. It's actually an issue. Not only that, they added contrasting FALSE character traits/abilities that contributed to desirability/likeliness (she can cook, she has long shiny dark hair, she has a figure) etc. There are several times where this was done in contrast with Sakura as well. Let's never forget that Hinata's looks were also distorted heavily for her to look more likeable/desireable ove the course of the series by SP (their free-for-all being The Last). Hinata's hair is actually blue, her eyes are white and cover almost the entirety of her eyeballs, she dresses in full, long, modest clothing etc. This is not bashing obviously, nothing wrong with that, but there's literal proof of what they did to diminish Sakura over the course of the series. 
 
When you add all of these factors, that occured over the course of the entire series, you end of up with what you see today. Sakura and Hinata are not compareable at all- you can't compare the main/heroine character with a background character. That's undebatable. Though people will compare them in terms of likeability/desirability, and given the push Hinata recieved with all of the filler content..well, again, this is what happens. People start to percieve them as close to each other in ranking/status and compare them. This is not and never was the case. A part of the fandom is hell-bent on basically a made-up character, notably the Western fanbase.

 
Exactly. we have all witnessed this first hand. For Hinata to look better and more appealing for Naruto as a girlfriend and wife, EVERYONE ELSE HAD TO LOOK WORSE. Including Naruto. Naruto had to be accepted as a clueless dip stick that does not know what romantic love is, his feelings for Sakura are degraded to a silly rivalry obsession to claim a victory over Sasuke, and everyone else had to devolve into NH shippers to push the two together.
 
Sakura- "Hey Naruto, why don't you walk Hinata home? Remember Naruto, you don't want a harlequin like me that you only lusted after as a trophy to not lose against Sasuke-kun, you need to get to get together with that sweet shy nice girl that was always into you. HINATA HYUGA!!!!" turns Naruto's face to Hinata's direction*
 
Shikamaru- "Sup Naruto? You know who can give you political power to become Hokage over there? Hinata!!!! She is part of the Hyuga clan with a lot of influence in the village and she has a rockin bod to boot. *nudge nudge, wink wink*
 
Toneri- "MUST...... HAVE....... MC'S WOMAN!!!!!! MUST......... HAVE MC'S WOMAN!!!!!!!! GRAAAAAAHHHH!!!!".
 
Everything in that movie had to make it's villain part of of a love triangle to push Naruto and Hinata to the fore front and had to degrade every established character under the franchise's sun to get Hinata together with Naruto that they deliberately ignore the canon story, INCLUDING HINATA'S CONFESSION. That movie is canon to the entire manga but according to it, Naruto heard Hinata's confession over 2 years ago. And has he fallen head over heels for her, like all their shippers wanted? :no:
 
Despite all biases towards Hinata though, the issue is not truly any favoritism towards her, it is the fact that everything the franchise stood for had to be blown apart and knocked down to get her way. And all of this could have been prevented if someone (Kishimoto) said "NO" and pulled the plug on the entire thing. Didn't happen. And so, here we are.¯\_(ツ)_/¯


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Posted 31 January 2020 - 11:06 PM

 

Indeed, She lacked a resolution to her character despite being hyped up to drive the story as much as her teammates, and fell flat at the end because noone can interfere with Naruto and Sasuke's destined clash. But I don't think that is why haters hate her, because you don't see the complaints being about that. It is all "Sakura is  a kitten." "She is mean and abusive to Naruto" "She doesn't deserve Naruto." "Just have that that sexy, stone cold BBF Sasuke Uchiha smack some sense into you and make way for the OTP Naruto Uzumaki and Hinata Hyuga". None of the complaints I have ever heard in my life about Sakura Haruno has ever been about what she lacks as a character, it has always been she is shipping bait and just because she was among the many many villagers that did not show Naruto any affection as a kid she is demonized, but what makes it especially unforgivable in her haters eyes is she was the object of Naruto's affections. That apparently is the double standard here when I think about it, because I don't see even the nameless villagers that gave him cold heartless gazes and pull their children away from him getting a fraction of the hate Sakura was getting. Nor were any of Sasuke's fan girls, including Ino were raged at for crushing on the resident bad boy Sasuke, instead of the the poor socially and emotionally abused orphan Naruto Uzumaki. And again here is another double standard too, to point out. They accuse Sakura not being of any comfort to Naruto and just stood back and watched him be ostracized, but Hinata did the same since according to the story the two were never acquainted in childhood either, but it is Sakura that gets the bashing for that.

 

And ultimately I and some others here have had this pointed out many many times. Sakura has always grown exponentially as a character from the early to mid stages of the time skip a.k.a. Shippuden that you could swear that you were not even looking same character anymore. But will any of her haters acknowledge that development? NOPE :no: So you see it doesn't really matter how well developed Sakura's character is or even if her character arc even concluded properly she will always be a character hated more than the most unsympathetic villains in the  story because she is supposed Naruto's love interest but she is nothing but a "ball buster" to him and drools over the "cool mysterious bad boy" which again all of this grudge is stemming form Naruto's abused and tragic childhood.

 

Your second point, sadly, is the prime, de facto argument all Sakura's haters will ever use to try win these debates. Sakura is not Hinata. Why is this? Again Hinata was the one crushing one the sad lonely little orphan when no one else did. Especially Sakura, whom again did not, despite Naruto having a crush on her and has shown time and time again genuine love for her. That is why these Hinata cultists are so enamored with her. I don't think I need to say more because this, I am sure is the only reason Hinata is loved the way she is and Sakura is always compared to her in a negative way. And as you have said before Tricksie, All of those that empathize with Naruto never having his crush look his way and instead  sqealling over the "bad boy" want sweet, vicarious, emotional revenge by imagining Naruto getting hitched with Hintata and if Sakura wants him afterwards he will say to her " Get lost, you're not worth it anymore!!! I have found an even better woman!!!" :kukuku:

 

Anyways that is how I view things, and judging by how these fanatics argue things I don't think I'm wrong. You are of course very right, but that is not how these haters view it I think, because they never complain about how Sakura lacks development. They just viciously tear into her for not, being worthy of Naruto's affections because of her initial treatment of him. Yet ironically, every time Hinata is on panel or screen it is SUCH A HUGE STEP IN DEVELOPING HER to be Naruto perfect trophy wife. :zaru:   

 

What makes matters worse about all of this is that Hinata never got to be as intimately close to Naruto as Sakura came off, given Sakura knew and got his childhood and didn't use it to boost herself, and she also understood it more and more because of learning from Naruto himself he's a Jinchuriki. Regardless of what "The Last" claims, it isn't canon enough to have it said Hinata knows Naruto is a Jinchuriki when Kurama came out for some reasons in the end, since she never ONCE showed any sympathy or understanding about Naruto's plight.

 

Plus the fact is, she didn't even get anyone would have made Naruto go berserk when Pain almost killed her since he was already at the boiling point because of his anger at the things Nagato did for his revenge (since what he wanted was revenge, not justice, all because he was MAD AT HIMSELF for what he perceived were failures). Then we got her flipping misinterpreting what Naruto said when he said he likes "people like her" when he was referring to her willingness to stand against Neji, even if it was because of him because she can't do anything on her own.



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Posted 01 February 2020 - 12:07 AM

Well every panel Hinata is on has to be important; because she has so few panels over the course of fifteen years the manga was being made.


Indeed, Hinata showing her bright, beautiful face and post-time skip sexy body is the highlight of the entire manga/anime I tell you!!!! :lmao:


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Posted 01 February 2020 - 12:13 AM

A lot of people poke fun at the fact that Naruto never acknowledged Hinata's confession after the fact, but it might even be more glaring that he didn't really acknowledge it DURING it, f.ex with an inner monologue saying what he thought about it. Which is something that even Sakura got.



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Posted 01 February 2020 - 03:57 AM

Well every panel Hinata is on has to be important; because she has so few panels over the course of fifteen years the manga was being made.


I actually counted the pages of and out of the 13,000 pages she's in over 400 pages and only 30 of those pages is she on panel with naruto. I have James S Cassidy to confirm this since he helped check my math on this.

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Posted 01 February 2020 - 06:11 AM

I actually counted the pages of and out of the 13,000 pages she's in over 400 pages and only 30 of those pages is she on panel with naruto. I have James S Cassidy to confirm this since he helped check my math on this.

 

You and James had to be busy doing that!



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Posted 01 February 2020 - 11:25 AM

Indeed, Hinata showing her bright, beautiful face and post-time skip sexy body is highlight of the entire manga/anime I tell you!!!! :lmao:

Though not as memorable for her fans as her dancing naked on a lake when she was twelve.



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Posted 01 February 2020 - 11:31 AM

Though not as memorable for her fans as her dancing naked on a lake when she was twelve.

ON a lake?! Wow she was the strongest Genin with her obvious mastery of water walking! And the only kunoichi worthy of Naruto!



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Posted 01 February 2020 - 01:56 PM

Though not as memorable for her fans as her dancing naked on a lake when she was twelve.

 

Yes that is the most beautiful thing they have ever seen, I am sure. :th_yeah:


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Posted 01 February 2020 - 02:11 PM

You and James had to be busy doing that!

actually I counted up the pages myself and posted what I find and James redid the math for me cause I didn't go far enough since I had it at 25% she was in and James went further and found it was less than 3% she was in.
  

Though not as memorable for her fans as her dancing naked on a lake when she was twelve.

Which makes them freaking creepy since she's underage

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Posted 01 February 2020 - 03:53 PM

A lot of people poke fun at the fact that Naruto never acknowledged Hinata's confession after the fact, but it might even be more glaring that he didn't really acknowledge it DURING it, f.ex with an inner monologue saying what he thought about it. Which is something that even Sakura got.

 
Because that is a given. As you said, Naruto gave no inner monologue as to what he thought right as she said it, and if the timing was inappropriate, then WHY DIDN'T he talk to her about it AFTERWARDS when he came back from talking to Nagato? You know, when Sakura hugged him? That was quite indicative that it wasn't reciprocal, despite Hinata's fanatics claim that was when Naruto fell in love with her. But whatever, NH WON, am I right? ¯\_(ツ)_/¯


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Posted 01 February 2020 - 06:33 PM

A lot of people poke fun at the fact that Naruto never acknowledged Hinata's confession after the fact, but it might even be more glaring that he didn't really acknowledge it DURING it, f.ex with an inner monologue saying what he thought about it. Which is something that even Sakura got.

 

Yep, which tells us how unplanned the ending was deep down.



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Posted 03 February 2020 - 02:09 PM

actually I counted up the pages myself and posted what I find and James redid the math for me cause I didn't go far enough since I had it at 25% she was in and James went further and found it was less than 3% she was in.
  
Which makes them freaking creepy since she's underage

Yeah, but it doesn't matter if you bring that up because the people don't care about that fact, and they will always think Hinata was always better. That is why Kishu is to blame for this because he a chance to stop it early but decided to keep it up to the point he caved and gave them what the illogical fans wanted.

To be fair, alot people saw the naked Hinata scene when they were kids but it did become an obsession. Unfortunately there is a lot of lolicon obsession in a anime nowadays. It isn't hard to find.

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Posted 03 February 2020 - 07:38 PM

I actually counted the pages of and out of the 13,000 pages she's in over 400 pages and only 30 of those pages is she on panel with naruto. I have James S Cassidy to confirm this since he helped check my math on this.

 

 

 

You and James had to be busy doing that!

13,728 pages (This is including Gaiden)
484 pages  is how many Hinata was in
That is about 3.5% of the manga she makes an appearance in.

Naruto and Hinata have 38 pages (not including volume cover) together. Not interactions...just of them together on screen. About half that is them actually interacting.
HOWEVER, 1 page is a chapter cover art and 7 pages are of them during the war...which was in production during the Naruto the Last movie. So It is hard counting these pages as legit since...well, if the movie was in production and it was already established as canon by that time, then these "developments" are fake and are merely their to force interaction to try and show "NH belong with each other."

So that is 30 pages of legit NH scenes.

30 pages?

That is 0.2% of the manga total.

How can anyone in god's name say that this couple "BELONGS TOGETHER" when they have no interaction other than 0.2% of the manga entirely?

Sakura and Naruto?
That is so much better
She is in like 11,000-12,000 pages easy and NS interactions are like 80-90% of the manga total. I don't have accurate numbers, but I don't think I need to at this point. It would be easier counting the pages Sakura is NOT in or counting the pages NS DOESN'T interact to be more accurate.

And of course Sasuke and Naruto is like 90%
Again, just guessing seeing how most of the chapters are in.

Thinking about it, Sakura might actually be in more pages than Sasuke AND has had more interactions with Naruto than NH, SK, and every single other couple in existence in the manga combined. Think about that. Naruto and Sakura have been on screen together LONGER than any other Naruto pairing has in the manga combined.

Hell, IchiRuki and IchiHime have a better pairing battle ratio than Naruto's pairings. It is just not fair, but we are to be believed that this was all a red herring. Yeup...90% of the manga is NOT CANON, ladies and gentlemen.

Edit: By "interaction" I mean romantic and non-romantic alike. NH barely has any romantic interaction, if at all. Maybe 6 total of romantic interaction or undertone including during the war arc. 2 pages if you take out the war arc pages. 2 pages of legit romantic interaction. One being the Pein Arc confession and the other being MAYBE the beginning of the war. This is why they ONLY bring up the Pein arc when talking about NH romance because that is the ONLY time NH got legit romance interaction. 1 page.
 

 

A lot of people poke fun at the fact that Naruto never acknowledged Hinata's confession after the fact, but it might even be more glaring that he didn't really acknowledge it DURING it, f.ex with an inner monologue saying what he thought about it. Which is something that even Sakura got.

Acknowledge it? According to Naruto the Last, Naruto thought NOTHING of it until 2-3 years after the fact and only then after a genjutsu.

This is from the canon itself. Naruto doesn't understand love, remember?


 

 


Edited by James S Cassidy, 03 February 2020 - 08:35 PM.

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Posted 03 February 2020 - 07:50 PM

Yeup...90% of the manga is NOT CANON, ladies and gentlemen.

 

so crazy to throw away a whole series like that. the time since it ended doesn't give a better perspective. still just crazy.



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Posted 03 February 2020 - 08:00 PM

so crazy to throw away a whole series like that. the time since it ended doesn't give a better perspective. still just crazy.

 

I second that feeling, Tricksie.







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