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[DrK]

 
concept wise, sure. You can argue for it. Admittedly their Dyjnamic is typical. Story wise, It's been hit with nothing but death flag after death flag. I'm pretty sure that in Shojo manga/anime, if the cool bad boy tried to kill the heroine/MC of the story, said "bad boy" a no-go. And even casting that aside, the story goes practically that Sakura wore Sasuke down and he guilt tripped himself into being with her, whereas an actual love interest would have redeemed himself LONG before getting together with the heroine at BARE MINIMUM.

Any pairing with Sasuke is either crack or he tried to kill them.

[BlueStarSaber]

 

Sakura killed ten Juubi in one punch and everyone was too busy wetting themselves over how their goddess managed to kill one...and then proceeded to trip over a rock and fall flat on her face. 

Pretty sure she took out 50 to hundred with that punch

[Phantom_999]

Any pairing with Sasuke is either crack or he tried to kill them.

 

no doubt no doubt. Although what does that have to do with the statement that they are arguably a better couple than NH?

 

In summary: Sakura defeats an Akatsuki member and is the series staple white mage = Useless

 

Hinata defeats random Juubi fodder in a single panel and literally accomplishes nothing else of value: OMFG TEH BEST FEMALE CHARACTER EVER EVER!!!

 

Haha...Nope. Naruto and NaruSaku was a pretty huge investment in my life. Both financially and emotionally. I still remember how I felt the day the final chapter came out and how much chaos was going on here. How desperately everyone wanted 'The Last' to clear up that ending and how much everyone wanted it to be infinite tsukiyomi.

It's been almost 10 years. That window of opportunity is gone and it wouldn't pull people back if they did it now.

 

Sakura killed ten Juubi in one punch and everyone was too busy wetting themselves over how their goddess managed to kill one...and then proceeded to trip over a rock and fall flat on her face. 

I remember seeing this doujinshi back in the day. I really hoped it would happen. But heaven forbid we give Hinata any real character development. That would ruin everything. 

 

Edit: This website is fighting me.

 

I'm sure I don't need to tell you at this point, but the whole Hinata = "Greatest manga/anime heroine ever" and Sakura = Useless annoying  beep***** That I want to choke to death", Has nothing to do with what the story shows. Hinata is the greatest because she has her "undying love for Naruto since the beginning" as the deciding factor for that above all logic and story consistency. The other "add in factor" was that Sakura was not just a tsundere,  she was a tsundere to Naruto without actually even liking him in the first place in addition to looking down on him, despite him liking her since childhood. Want proof that is the case?

 

In Black Clover for instance, (Don't worry, I'm not telling you to read it) It is the same dynamic, with the MC, Asta and the Heroine, Noelle. Asta is someone that is constantly looked down on at the beginning for reasons I will not explain but point being he's the underdog in this story that is clawing his way to the top prove all of his naysayer and those that looked down on him wrong, and Noelle WAS one of those when they first met. Now to my knowledge, Noelle is no where near as hated and is actually a very celebrated Shonen heroine, because again reasons I won't explain, but the key point here is she started crushing on Asta very early, and prominently might I add with "no other guy that she liked rather than Asta at first". My point is you can see very many similarities between these two and Naruto and Sakura if you read it, (Again I'm not telling you to) , but lo and behold, Sakura is still getting all the back lash and hatred, Noelle barely has any hatred directed at her except the usual "tsunderes are tiresome trash" comments but nothing else. I'm telling you that the double standards are as clear as day here if you look and you don't even have to look that carefully. Other manga/anime series have myriads of tsunderes that turn their noses down on the MC but they are way more loved than Sakura. 

Edited by Phantom_999, 28 March 2021 - 08:38 AM.

[ThroughWithLove]

Sakura's treatment in fics as well as other blatant tsundere trope females receiving no criticism for being "abusive" perfectly explains what all of the Sakura hate is about: Hinata and the twisted wish fulfillment fantasies a lot of fans have about this series (to the point of being utterly unable to appreciate the actual merits of the story). 99% of the time, if a fan harps on how much they hate Sakura, they're really just a deranged NH supporter. I have seen it over and over and over again in the comment sections on other sites.

Edited by ThroughWithLove, 28 March 2021 - 08:58 PM.

[BlueStarSaber]

Happy birthday to sakura

[Bryon_Konoha_Ninja]

Happy birthday to sakura

Amen to that!

[TheFirstEvil100]

Happy birthday Sakura.

[NaruSaku fan in Kentucky]

[totherpage95]

happy birthday

[Bryon_Konoha_Ninja]

A perfect picture to show for Sakura's birthday, Ken!

[Phantom_999]

Sakura's treatment in fics as well as other blatant tsundere trope females receiving no criticism for being "abusive" perfectly explains what all of the Sakura hate is about: Hinata and the twisted wish fulfillment fantasies a lot of fans have about this series (to the point of being utterly unable to appreciate the actual merits of the story). 99% of the time, if a fan harps on how much they hate Sakura, they're really just a deranged NH supporter. I have seen it over and over and over again in the comment sections on other sites.

Absolutely agreed. I’ve seen it my self. Hinata is a wish fulfillment of a “submissive housewife that doesn’t talk back and is always ready to tango in the bed at her husband’s request.” But this is also a double standard. You see Hinata’s character type all over the place yet none of those girls are as over hyped and obsessed over.

[Bail o' Lies]

 

Sakura's treatment in fics as well as other blatant tsundere trope females receiving no criticism for being "abusive" perfectly explains what all of the Sakura hate is about: Hinata and the twisted wish fulfillment fantasies a lot of fans have about this series (to the point of being utterly unable to appreciate the actual merits of the story). 99% of the time, if a fan harps on how much they hate Sakura, they're really just a deranged NH supporter. I have seen it over and over and over again in the comment sections on other sites.

Absolutely agreed. I’ve seen it my self. Hinata is a wish fulfillment of a “submissive housewife that doesn’t talk back and is always ready to tango in the bed at her husband’s request.” But this is also a double standard. You see Hinata’s character type all over the place yet none of those girls are as over hyped and obsessed over.

Oh the reason for that is simple. Naruto was the only anime on when they were growing up. Hinata is by standards of most shounen anime a very generic moe girl to the point you will find others of her archetype in other anime far more developed and plot relevant than her. But she is the one they saw first and looks at American media you not going to find a girl like hinata there often so she because the eprfect women in their eyes.

[Namaenash]

Hinata and NH will always be obnoxiously popular. If you want to roll your eyes, go look for fanworks where Naruto is with Hinata and bashing Sakura is a stated goal that they even acknowledge they're doing on purpose. There are thousands.
 
But if you wanna read NS where bashing Hinata is an explicit goal? Good luck even finding one.

There's no firm facts that supports NH/Hinata's popularity. It's a myth. Not everyone goes to YouTube and the internet.

Sales figures? Clearly no, as a matter of fact, it's the other way around: with NH, sales are declining.

Character poll? Well, no. She's barely in top 10 Boruto character popuparity last year. Sakura was at #1, Sasuke #2, Naruto #6. Sakura has always been above her popularity, most of the time.

This is "argumentum ad populum" fallacy. A fallacious argument that concludes that a proposition must be true because many or most people believe it, often concisely encapsulated as: "If many believe so, it is so".

Fact says otherwise, and it hit where the producers hurt the most: irreversible declining sales.

It is not a surprise at all when Hinata is cast aside after the whole fiasco. She's irrelevant then, she's irrelevant now, and she won't be relevant in the future, so long as sales involved.

[DrK]

Character poll? Well, no. She's barely in top 10 Boruto character popuparity last year. Sakura was at #1, Sasuke #2, Naruto #6. Sakura has always been above her popularity, most of the time.

I'm sure this is true since it's you saying so, but WTF? Sakura won the top spot for a manga she barely appears in?

[Bail o' Lies]

I'm sure this is true since it's you saying so, but WTF? Sakura won the top spot for a manga she barely appears in?

It wasn't not based on the manga, its based on the anime. In the anime she is given more screen time due to the amount of filler they need to make. In it she is the cool single mom that raised the well received Sarada on her own, and is married to the popular mysterious loner Sasuke. She is never around Naruto anymore so people kittening about how she used to hit him seem petty, and since she isn't involved in fights any more other then possibly training Sarada she isn't seen as useless; since her role now is just to raise Sarada and how good she is show how good Sakura was at raising her.

 

Haven't watched the anime in a while but since she is the most popular and they need to keep rating up they likely also been forced to use her more and positively.

 

There's no firm facts that supports NH/Hinata's popularity. It's a myth. Not everyone goes to YouTube and the internet.

Sales figures? Clearly no, as a matter of fact, it's the other way around: with NH, sales are declining.

Character poll? Well, no. She's barely in top 10 Boruto character popularity last year. Sakura was at #1, Sasuke #2, Naruto #6. Sakura has always been above her popularity, most of the time.

This is "argumentum ad populum" fallacy. A fallacious argument that concludes that a proposition must be true because many or most people believe it, often concisely encapsulated as: "If many believe so, it is so".

Fact says otherwise, and it hit where the producers hurt the most: irreversible declining sales.

It is not a surprise at all when Hinata is cast aside after the whole fiasco. She's irrelevant then, she's irrelevant now, and she won't be relevant in the future, so long as sales involved.

Well we know the manga isn't doing hot but how the anime? Just to confirm its all going down.

 

Funnier is her son Boruto isn't even in the top 10 of his own story. I have never seen that happen to a main character.

 

Also there are a lot of vocal Hinata fans just not many of them are paying ones.

 

Hinata was originally a satellite character to Neji. She nice to Naruto so when she is beaten up we more invested in the Naruto vs Neji match. After that while Yahagi was their  she was unimportant after that. After the new editors came in she started getting more scene due to pressure from the editors, but that doesn't mean she was integral to the story. She is the only one of the Konoha 11 that does not have an opinion on or investment in Sasuke.

Edited by Bail o' Lies, 01 April 2021 - 05:36 AM.

[BlueStarSaber]

I was a bit surprised that Sakura ended up being 1st on a boruto popularity poll, given how sometimes she wasn't in the top ten of naruto at times which may of been used by the editors to persuade Kishimoto that she wasn't popular. Then again I come to view popularity polls in Jump to be a bit unreliable of how popular a character is.

[Bail o' Lies]

I was a bit surprised that Sakura ended up being 1st on a boruto popularity poll, given how sometimes she wasn't in the top ten of naruto at times which may of been used by the editors to persuade Kishimoto that she wasn't popular. Then again I come to view popularity polls in Jump to be a bit unreliable of how popular a character is.

In Naruto, she was the heroine that really didn't or couldn't do anything. In Boruto, she Sarada's cool mom.

 

In Naruto, Hinata was an useless unimportant side character that weirdly started popping up more near the end. In her fans' mind she was the goddess queen princess that was the only important part of the story. In Boruto, she is Boruto's useless mom.

Edited by Bail o' Lies, 31 March 2021 - 05:36 AM.

[NaruSaku fan in Kentucky]

 

I Love NaruSaku AMVs with classic songs like this.  Are there anymore like it?

[Chatte]

I'm sure this is true since it's you saying so, but WTF? Sakura won the top spot for a manga she barely appears in?

Yes. She may appear scarcely in the manga, but she does have her own fair share of appearances in the anime.

 

So that character popularity poll was more based on the anime.

 

Plus, the ending kind of backfired to Hinata's own demise and Sakura's popularity actually. 

 

It was also backed by SS fans since Sakura lost her heroine status so then they turned against the NH-ers and started slandering Hinata.

 

It's funny cuz I see how different the shipping dynamics are today compared to back then.

 

It was only a natural progression since their common enemy, NS, was out of the picture.

 

Now it's the other way around. NS-ers & SS-ers band together actually to defend Sakura, lol. 

[BlueStarSaber]

Yes. She may appear scarcely in the manga, but she does have her own fair share of appearances in the anime.

 

So that character popularity poll was more based on the anime.

 

Plus, the ending kind of backfired to Hinata's own demise and Sakura's popularity actually. 

 

It was also backed by SS fans since Sakura lost her heroine status so then they turned against the NH-ers and started slandering Hinata.

 

It's funny cuz I see how different the shipping dynamics are today compared to back then.

 

It was only a natural progression since their common enemy, NS, was out of the picture.

 

Now it's the other way around. NS-ers & SS-ers band together actually to defend Sakura, lol. 

I do recall how they made her fight against Shin much better in the anime than the manga. I did wonder because I haven't seen any official manga polls for Boruto yet, though I wonder if they try to avoid them now given how misinformed they can be at times in telling a character's popularity.
 

Well the SS & NH shipper being Ship Mates always seemed like a fragile alliance to me, given how NH & Hinata fans always bashed and demeaned Sakura and only seemed to ship SS to make sure NS never happened because it was biggest threat to their Ship. So it always baffled me when some SS fans would associate with this fandom that hated one of the two characters they liked, given how they don't really need to NH to have SS happen technically.

While it's nice that NS & SS fans are defending Sakura as a character together, I'm not sure our two groups of fans will ever truly get along or trust each other. Since there are SS shippers who dismiss NS fans reasons for liking NS and say we don't care about Sakura's feelings at all and say we are just salty about the ending, while we NS don't like how Sasuke treated Sakura and find the excuses SS fans have for Sasuke actions to Sakura in the Kage summit arc and chapter 693 to being baffle-ling & infuriating. Plus I feel if NS ever became a threat to their Ship again they could start going after us again, granted this is highly unlikely while Boruto is ongoing.