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[Bail o' Lies]

In the anime they are SOME moments but I wouldn't call it SS moments. Its mostly family moments and that's it. I don't care for NH but I don't think they are any moments for them in the anime if there are then its mostly family moments. I'm always seeing the NH fans crying about Hinata not being able to do much and that all the other female characters get their accomplishments shown off or that they see more SS than NH.

 

Hinata biggest accomplishment is Naruto's wife which is sad.

Well that what her fans wanted her to be, but they were expecting it to be a bit more spicy.

 

'Family moments' are pretty much what they are as it does come off as there is a sense of obligation to them even when they are suppose to come off as loving, and none are really that romantic. 

 

Honestly a bigger problem for this manga is the lack of Bolt and Salad moments. Since she suppose to become hokage and he her Danzo/Sasuke. Yet they barely interacted as they were to focus on making their new Sasuke, Nail.

 

Kurama probably refused to reopen the Tenketsu point because of how embarrassing it was. I mean if a child can do that to him imagine if someone sent an actual assassin like a Haku after him. Or worse Deidara. Dude that slow would get blown to bits in an instant.

The implication I saw from that was that he was knocked clean out because he was attacked in both the ball and the crotch. 

Edited by Bail o' Lies, 26 February 2021 - 06:47 AM.

[NaruSaku fan in Kentucky]

I remember asking How would Naruto feel about his daughter dating. Well, how would Sakura feel when Shinachiku brings a girl home?

[BlueStarSaber]

I remember asking How would Naruto feel about his daughter dating. Well, how would Sakura feel when Shinachiku brings a girl home?

 

I think Kirabook did some fan art of this a few years back of something like this

[Phantom_999]

My friend Steve showed me these interviews about Kishimoto telling the voice actors of Sasuke and Sakura that their characters would end up together, thoughts?
 
https://www.twitter....799930806398978
 
https://web.archive....actor-interview

 
I'll be frank. I DON'T CARE. It doesn't matter to me why or HOW Naruto X Hinata and Sasuke X Sakura are being oversold and how EVERY authority and executive on Naruto's franchise are promoting them as such WONDERFUL MASTERFULLY WRITTEN ROMANCES. The story it self is suppose to be the prime deciding factor on legitimacy of a romance and anything else is secondary. Any story with a relationship of any kind in it will be told THROUGH the story and comments made by the writer are to be supplementary at best.
 
My point is, Boruto is showing that Naruto and Hinata are married. Sasuke and Sakura are married. Both couples are together in the manga and anime, interacting with the kids THEY BROUGHT INTO THE WORLD however once a blue moon it is. SO WHY do they need to say over and over NaruHina and SasuSaku WERE PLANNED FROM THE BEGINNING? Hasn't the story already established the couples are official EVER SINCE chapter 700 came out? It sounds more like the Naruto executives are trying to convince themselves more than the consumers that NH and SS are legit couples and hooking them up was the best decision and worth it despite the gross sales for the franchise post- chapter 700 saying otherwise, because I HAVE NEVER SEEN another official couple in any other fictional media require SO MUCH OVERVALIDAITON and b****slapping others with the idea that  "these two were always meant to be, these two were always meant to be." The couples ARE DONE. TIED THE KNOT. So why does the audience and EVERYONE INVOLVED WITH NARUTO NEED assurance that the couples are in love and planned from the beginning? Can anyone answer me that?
 
I personally feel this sounds more and more like someone not wanting to leave a loveless/abusive relationship, in all honesty. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Edited by Phantom_999, 26 February 2021 - 04:30 PM.

[DrK]

 So why does the audience and EVERYONE INVOLVED WITH NARUTO NEED assurance that the couples are in love and planned from the beginning? Can anyone answer me that?

This just gets worse as time goes on. The fact that it was a lie wasn't obvious to me when the manga ended. But coming back to it after a few years I saw things differently. Partly because my mindset was different reading it again, but I also had more information at that point. There was more written about it, and more unconvincing interviews and postcanon material that was awkward and terrible.

 

Someone who was doing so today would have even more to look at. For instance you could look at how Kishi handled the romance in the ill-fated Samurai 8 for instance, how he was so ham-fisted with what he was going for. This just makes it even more obvious. And it was already pretty bad.

 

At the end of the day it's just not a particularly good lie. A good lie is one that can withstand scrutiny. It's hard not to scrutinize things as time goes on. Like I didn't realize how bad the Star Wars sequels were when I first saw them either. Now I'm amazed at how awful they are.

[Bail o' Lies]

"So, why does the audience and EVERYONE INVOLVED WITH NARUTO NEED assurance that the couples are in love and planned from the beginning?"

 

Because they know that it wasn't and that the changed damaged the brand.

 

The Companies know on some level they kitten up, but apologizing and admitting their mistakes would damage their perceived reputation and upset their investors. So, instead of just going, "Wow, that nH was a mistake few fans like and was mainly liked by pirates. Well, we are fixing it by going back to NS; which our customers actually liked. Sorry for even doing that." They instead hope to 'convince' their customers that nH was always intended will appease them and convince them to continue purchasing Naruto-Boruto products; they just need to keep giving interviews till it happens, in their minds. Problems being that fans have moved on and even if they do believe it may not care.

 

The ending supporters want people to believe it because they want people to follow what they like. Having so many people disagree with their end pairing upset them. Also if it was always intended then it help defend against the doubt in their mind that maybe Hinata shouldn't have gotten with Naruto.

Edited by Bail o' Lies, 28 February 2021 - 11:03 AM.

[Bryon_Konoha_Ninja]

"So, why does the audience and EVERYONE INVOLVED WITH NARUTO NEED assurance that the couples are in love and planned from the beginning?"
 
Because they know that it wasn't and that the changed damaged the brand.
 
The Companies know on some level they kitten up, but apologizing and admitting their mistakes would damage their perceived reputation and upset their investors. So, instead of just going, "Wow, that nH was a mistake few fans like and was mainly liked by pirates. Well, we are fixing it by going back to NS; which our customers actually liked. Sorry for even doing that." They instead hope to 'convince' their customers that nH was always intended will appease them and convince them to continue purchasing Naruto-Boruto products; they just need to keep giving interviews till it happens, in their minds. Problems being that fans have moved on and even if they do believe it may not care.
 
The ending supports want people to believe it because they want people to follow what they like. Having so many people disagree with their end pairing upset them. Also if it was always intended then it help defend against the doubt in their mind that maybe Hinata shouldn't have gotten with Naruto.

 
It also is a matter in the long run too of the NH fans being unwilling to see they made a mistake, since what you said is accurate. But it's stupid and hurting Naruto in the long run, and that'll then give them free reins to do what they want to keep ruining it just because no one is buying the crap they're selling in terms of trying to convince the customers that NH was planned, it's always meant to be the end game, and it's happy when it isn't happy. It's miserable, pitiful, and stupid.

Edited by Bryon_Konoha_Ninja, 01 March 2021 - 06:45 PM.

[NaruSaku fan in Kentucky]

If NH was planned them I am Adam Sandler.

[VanitasDS76491]

If NH was planned them I am Adam Sandler.

ha nice 

[Phantom_999]

If NH was planned them I am Adam Sandler.

 

If NH was planned, the story would have shown and proven it. That is the ultimate discrepancy. But they needed a post plot movie to do that for the most part that movie ignored every other plot relevant moral and message of the series and is treated as non-canon even by its supporters, but ironically WITHOUT THAT MOVIE NH has no leg to stand on

Edited by Phantom_999, 02 March 2021 - 05:58 PM.

[Bryon_Konoha_Ninja]

 
If NH was planned, the story would have shown and proven it. That is the ultimate discrepancy. But they needed a post plot movie to do that for the most part that movie ignored every other plot relevant moral and message of the series and is treated as non-canon even by its supporters, but ironically WITHOUT THAT MOVIE NH has no leg to stand on

Exactly and even after the movie, every moment they have is FORCED and neither of them are happy at all!

[VanitasDS76491]

Exactly and even after the movie, every moment they have is FORCED and neither of them are happy at all!

Well hinata is happy since she got what she wanted she doesn't care how Naruto treats her

[Phantom_999]

That is called "happiness in subservience", and that was the main appeal of Hinata, along side many of Sakura's detractors taking issue with her initial behavior towards Naruto. That that combination led to he vocal insistence that Hinata is Naruto's one true love, But we all see how that turned out, now didn't we?

 

And here's the real kicker. Even after NH and SS married, their "champion defenders"  among the fandom STILL HAVE TO MAKE B#!!$&*^ up on how these two couples are so happy and in love with each other. In other words, these two "true romances right here started with nothing, and ended with nothing"  It is telling how that time travel filler arc had to make up romantic moments (if you can even call them that) for Naruto X Hinata and Sasuke X Sakura while blatantly ignoring the the canon material previously portrayed. It was literally "The Last" 2.0

Edited by Phantom_999, 03 March 2021 - 04:53 PM.

[VanitasDS76491]

That is called "happiness in subservience", and that was the main appeal of Hinata, along side many taking issue with Sakura's initial behavior towards Naruto. That that combination led to he vocal insistence that Hinaata is Naruto's one true love, But we all see how that turned out now didn't we?

 

And here's the real kicker. Even after NH and SS married, their "champion defenders"  among the fandom STILL HAVE TO MAKE B#!!$&*^ up on how these two couples are so happy and in love with each other. In other words these "true romances started with nothing, and ended with nothing"  It is telling how that time travel filler arc had to make up romantic moments (if you can even call them that) for Naruto X Hinata and Sasuke X Sakura while blatantly ignoring the the canon material previously portrayed. It was literally "the last" 2.0

wow that's quite the feat and now naruto timeline has become as messed up as the fox x-men series. was that time travel arc filler cause if it was then it doesn't matter unless the magna does something like that

[BlueStarSaber]

You know one of the arguments I hate seeing from the SS fandom when it comes to sasuke trying to kill Sakura during the Kage summit arc, is that due to Sakura trying to kill him first and he supposedly knows she is trying to kill him he is just doing self defence. Like regardless who is trying to kill who first they are still trying to kill each other and when I was talking to James about it last night, he pointed out even if you could argue for the first attempt being self defence the second attempt was clearly sasuke downright trying to kill Sakura by choking her and cutting her down with her own kunai. 

[DrK]

You know one of the arguments I hate seeing from the SS fandom when it comes to sasuke trying to kill Sakura during the Kage summit arc, is that due to Sakura trying to kill him first and he supposedly knows she is trying to kill him he is just doing self defence. Like regardless who is trying to kill who first they are still trying to kill each other and when I was talking to James about it last night, he pointed out even if you could argue for the first attempt being self defence the second attempt was clearly sasuke downright trying to kill Sakura by choking her and cutting her down with her own kunai. 

Well any reasonable self defense statute requires the person to be an active threat to your life. Sakura's intentions were no longer relevant after she lost the fight and was at his mercy.

 

Sasuke got a chance to take out a significant enemy and he was ready to take it at that time. It's far from the worst thing he did. It's not like Sakura would have been the only person he killed.

 

Like, I think the fact that Sasuke killed others is more damaging to SS than the fact that he merely TRIED to kill Sakura... Disregarding her own life is one thing. She's suppose to be a healer. It's dark, to say the least.

[Bryon_Konoha_Ninja]

You know one of the arguments I hate seeing from the SS fandom when it comes to sasuke trying to kill Sakura during the Kage summit arc, is that due to Sakura trying to kill him first and he supposedly knows she is trying to kill him he is just doing self defence. Like regardless who is trying to kill who first they are still trying to kill each other and when I was talking to James about it last night, he pointed out even if you could argue for the first attempt being self defence the second attempt was clearly sasuke downright trying to kill Sakura by choking her and cutting her down with her own kunai. 

Not to mention his willingness to drop Sakura and Kakashi into lava during the fight with Kaguya just because he wanted to take her down as part of his typical "Only doing what I want to make ME feel better" attitude after Itachi's death.

So really, their excuse holds NO WATER. Especially considering that Sasuke already showed he was working up and down both sides of Psycho Street at that point just because he wanted to cut away his ties to Itachi by harming those who harmed him, without thinking Itachi CHOSE his path and just letting Obito's words manipulate him.

Edited by Bryon_Konoha_Ninja, 04 March 2021 - 09:38 PM.

[Kagomaru]

Not to mention his willingness to drop Sakura and Kakashi into lava during the fight with Kaguya just because he wanted to take her down as part of his typical "Only doing what I want to make ME feel better" attitude after Itachi's death.
So really, their excuse holds NO WATER. Especially considering that Sasuke already showed he was working up and down both sides of Psycho Street at that point just because he wanted to cut away his ties to Itachi by harming those who harmed him, without thinking Itachi CHOSE his path and just letting Obito's words manipulate him.

Don't forget that he used Sakura as a meat shield against Madara and was going to stab through her as a surprise attack until Naruto intercepted, and carried Sakura away from Sasuke. Sakura's thought balloons even depict that she realized precisely what Sasuke was trying to do. So, he attempts to kill her twice without provocation, and yet SS fans still defend his actions.

[TheFirstEvil100]

Don't forget that he used Sakura as a meat shield against Madara and was going to stab through her as a surprise attack until Naruto intercepted, and carried Sakura away from Sasuke. Sakura's thought balloons even depict that she realized precisely what Sasuke was trying to do. So, he attempts to kill her twice without provocation, and yet SS fans still defend his actions.

Well, I like to think that the Sakura we are seeing right now is not the real Sakura, just a fake clone Sasuke made so he could use it on Naruto, and the real Sakura was left on that desert dimension.

[Bail o' Lies]

You know one of the arguments I hate seeing from the SS fandom when it comes to sasuke trying to kill Sakura during the Kage summit arc, is that due to Sakura trying to kill him first and he supposedly knows she is trying to kill him he is just doing self defence. Like regardless who is trying to kill who first they are still trying to kill each other and when I was talking to James about it last night, he pointed out even if you could argue for the first attempt being self defence the second attempt was clearly sasuke downright trying to kill Sakura by choking her and cutting her down with her own kunai. 

That's not how I recall it. The first attempt was when Sakura was trying to get Sasuke's guard down by falsely trying to join him and he order her to kill Karin to prove herself. It was a trap to let her guard down. So, he could kill her, when he was on his bloodlust high after killing Danzo. The second time was in self defense because he was in a middle of a fight, but he had already made it clear that he did not care about her and was willing to kill her without hesitation or remorse.

 

Not to mention his willingness to drop Sakura and Kakashi into lava during the fight with Kaguya just because he wanted to take her down as part of his typical "Only doing what I want to make ME feel better" attitude after Itachi's death.

So really, their excuse holds NO WATER. Especially considering that Sasuke already showed he was working up and down both sides of Psycho Street at that point just because he wanted to cut away his ties to Itachi by harming those who harmed him, without thinking Itachi CHOSE his path and just letting Obito's words manipulate him.

Actually, he made it clear to Naruto he didn't care about them, that the only two that were important were him and Naruto because they had they seal required to defeat Kaguya, and Naruto should stop wasting his energy protecting them because they are irrelevant. Then Naruto counters back with what Sasuke said to him during the wave arc which shut him up about that.

 

This was after the last time with Itachi. So, Sasuke had calmed down into becoming an antagonist to Naruto instead of just being a villain.

 

Don't forget that he used Sakura as a meat shield against Madara and was going to stab through her as a surprise attack until Naruto intercepted, and carried Sakura away from Sasuke. Sakura's thought balloons even depict that she realized precisely what Sasuke was trying to do. So, he attempts to kill her twice without provocation, and yet SS fans still defend his actions.

Sakura charged in first hoping to create an opening. However, since she didn't get a sage power up like them; she was once again useless. So, she couldn't see Madara's invisible clone guards. Sasuke used the opening while Naruto went in to rescue her so she wouldn't die. Then Sakura noted that Sasuke didn't care about her.

Edited by Bail o' Lies, 05 March 2021 - 02:47 AM.