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Posted 16 August 2020 - 08:27 PM

Oh, I just finished watching South Park with that killer who cuts people's hands-off and it came to this part, all I can think when watching that is NH fans with us trying to say why NH is bad and makes no sense.

 


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Posted 16 August 2020 - 08:56 PM

It is why I don't believe the whole "Kishimoto red penned the script."

What the hell does this even mean? How did he red pen it? Was there things he actually threw out and said "that won't work" or did he just look at the basic concept and said "whatever."

They say he went through it with a fine tooth comb, but it feels like he has no idea what the movie was about. How could you screw up THAT badly? Either Kishimoto is full of kitten....or the studio is full of kitten and lied saying he "red penned it."

There is only so much one can do with a red pin. He couldn't cancel the movie since exces already approved it, he can't change it because they are doing what they want/what the fans want. He can only remove the worse of the dialogue.

 

All I see is that it was actually worse before he did his checks.

 

Remember, that Naruto when he was talking to Sakura after her whole speech about how women can never fall in love with anyone else but their first crush went on about how he was suppose to then talk about that he never cared for Sakura and only cares for Hinata; which they had to cut because Junko refused to speak the lines. Same thing she couldn't stop the movie, all she can do is not make it worse.



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Posted 16 August 2020 - 09:24 PM

There is only so much one can do with a red pin. He couldn't cancel the movie since exces already approved it, he can't change it because they are doing what they want/what the fans want. He can only remove the worse of the dialogue.

 

All I see is that it was actually worse before he did his checks.

 

Remember, that Naruto when he was talking to Sakura after her whole speech about how women can never fall in love with anyone else but their first crush went on about how he was suppose to then talk about that he never cared for Sakura and only cares for Hinata; which they had to cut because Junko refused to speak the lines. Same thing she couldn't stop the movie, all she can do is not make it worse.

SP really wanted to destroy NaruSaku didn't they Bail, I mean hearing this makes me sick, and while I don't want anyone to die I hope SP gets shut down that they lose money so they can't do animations anymore. I know that might be too much and not far to put the voice actor out of work but that kitten studio has it coming. 



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Posted 16 August 2020 - 09:38 PM

There is only so much one can do with a red pin. He couldn't cancel the movie since exces already approved it, he can't change it because they are doing what they want/what the fans want. He can only remove the worse of the dialogue.

 

All I see is that it was actually worse before he did his checks.

 

Remember, that Naruto when he was talking to Sakura after her whole speech about how women can never fall in love with anyone else but their first crush went on about how he was suppose to then talk about that he never cared for Sakura and only cares for Hinata; which they had to cut because Junko refused to speak the lines. Same thing she couldn't stop the movie, all she can do is not make it worse.

Which again proves that NH was NEVER Kishimoto's intention and why NH is just a fanfiction gone canon.

That's what is the worse, they act like this was the intention the entire time. They act like when Kishimoto "red penned" the script like he was writing all the jerk off scenes he wanted and how NH was so much his favorite that they had to stop HIM from writing it too badly.

However, this is my biggest thing...
Why then do people think red penning or "supervising" something means that their creator put their entire existence into it? Like they even say this with Toriyama even though the makers of the anime are just given vague notes and they fill in the blanks?

Advertisement sure, but people actually believe like this is all Kishimoto does is fine tooth the Boruto scenes and the movie when he does no such thing. It is a total lie that people believe. Advertising is one thing, but this is one of those where they know it is a lie and they still accept it.

What next? A doctor just looks at your prescription bottle and says "okay" and that is him endorsing it as a miracle drug? Come on.


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Posted 16 August 2020 - 10:19 PM

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I didnt know some of the things in this list... but point 12 is hilarious 😄
edit: minatos test score coming from a itachi spin off kind of disqualifies it for me

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Posted 17 August 2020 - 12:27 AM


It is why I don't believe the whole "Kishimoto red penned the script."

What the hell does this even mean? How did he red pen it? Was there things he actually threw out and said "that won't work" or did he just look at the basic concept and said "whatever."

They say he went through it with a fine tooth comb, but it feels like he has no idea what the movie was about. How could you screw up THAT badly? Either Kishimoto is full of kitten....or the studio is full of kitten and lied saying he "red penned it."


Id believe the latter more than the former given how Kishimoto was out of sorts due to his dad dying and how
he wanted to spend more time with his family

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Posted 17 August 2020 - 03:21 PM

I suppose it doesn't matter anymore. Kishimoto as a name and a mangaka brand doesn't carry any weight today.

While his peers (authors that made manga with more than 50 million copies sold) continued to produce with reasonably acceptable reception; Kishimoto's latest manga sold less then 10k per volume in their first week and has to be axed at 5th volume. All this despite heavy marketing upfront.

Whether he 'red penned' The Last or not, the fact remains he has lost his loyal readers that used to finance his work (Naruto).

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Posted 17 August 2020 - 03:27 PM

I suppose it doesn't matter anymore. Kishimoto as a name and a mangaka brand doesn't carry any weight today.

While his peers (authors that made manga with more than 50 million copies sold) continued to produce with reasonably acceptable reception; Kishimoto's latest manga sold less then 10k per volume in their first week and has to be axed at 5th volume. All this despite heavy marketing upfront.

Whether he 'red penned' The Last or not, the fact remains he has lost his loyal readers that used to finance his work (Naruto).

It just shows that you don't F with the fanbase that actually got you were you are, that a name isn't enough to sell and your work actually has to be good.


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Posted 17 August 2020 - 07:20 PM

Not only that, but even Hinata fans accuse Sakura fans of sending threats to Kishimoto if he didn't improve Sakura more than Hinata. I'm sure if he made Sakura the wife of Naruto they would have killed him in a flash. These toxic people are stalkers Just like their waifu.


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Posted 17 August 2020 - 07:28 PM

 

Not only that, but even Hinata fans accuse Sakura fans of sending threats to Kishimoto if he didn't improve Sakura more than Hinata. I'm sure if he made Sakura the wife of Naruto they would have killed him in a flash. These toxic people are stalkers Just like their waifu.

 

You have to remember a lot of them didn't even care about Naruto, as a good tone of them just wanted Hinata to get her happy ending, hell even now they won't care what happens just as long as Hinata can stay happy which is a sad thing when you think about it.



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Posted 18 August 2020 - 04:59 AM

SP really wanted to destroy NaruSaku didn't they Bail, I mean hearing this makes me sick, and while I don't want anyone to die I hope SP gets shut down that they lose money so they can't do animations anymore. I know that might be too much and not far to put the voice actor out of work but that kitten studio has it coming. 

 

They sure would deserve to be shut down like that to do that **** just to satisfy their own egos and boners. They didn't even pull crap like this with other anime adaptations!



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Posted 18 August 2020 - 01:27 PM

Say I'm having an debate with an SS and I need to check the stuff He/She said is true:

 

databook 2 for Sasukes its wrote: "The one who filled his lonely existence with the emotion called love was Sakura, when he was ready to not let anybody in ever"

 

In databook 4 for Sasuke its Stated for Sasuke that the last person that he ever wanted to hurt was Sakura I mean Shikamaru said it himself: "EVEN you(Sakura) could not stop him", meaning that there is something deeper between them, in the forest of death Shika saw the moment in which Sakura calm down Sasuke, after he breaks the sound boys arms that hurt Sakura. Also Sasuke said it: "Sakura I am not gonna let EVEN you stand in my way", again deeper connection.

 

All of this backs up Kishis statement of "Sakura was the last person that he ever wanted to hurt" and the realism of their love.

 

is any of this true or nonsense since we don't have 2nd or 4th data books in english?



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Posted 18 August 2020 - 02:13 PM

Say I'm having an debate with an SS and I need to check the stuff He/She said is true:
 
databook 2 for Sasukes its wrote: "The one who filled his lonely existence with the emotion called love was Sakura, when he was ready to not let anybody in ever"
 
In databook 4 for Sasuke its Stated for Sasuke that the last person that he ever wanted to hurt was Sakura I mean Shikamaru said it himself: "EVEN you(Sakura) could not stop him", meaning that there is something deeper between them, in the forest of death Shika saw the moment in which Sakura calm down Sasuke, after he breaks the sound boys arms that hurt Sakura. Also Sasuke said it: "Sakura I am not gonna let EVEN you stand in my way", again deeper connection.
 
All of this backs up Kishis statement of "Sakura was the last person that he ever wanted to hurt" and the realism of their love.
 
is any of this true or nonsense since we don't have 2nd or 4th data books in english?

Im not sure but Im beginning to wish sasuke had offed sakura on the third try so these morons would stop shipping abuse that was made the endgame pair by kishi

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Posted 18 August 2020 - 03:16 PM

You have to remember a lot of them didn't even care about Naruto, as a good tone of them just wanted Hinata to get her happy ending, hell even now they won't care what happens just as long as Hinata can stay happy which is a sad thing when you think about it.


Oh yeah and to make themselves be in Naruto's place for a woman like Hinata.

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Posted 18 August 2020 - 09:00 PM

Which again proves that NH was NEVER Kishimoto's intention and why NH is just a fanfiction gone canon.

That's what is the worse, they act like this was the intention the entire time. They act like when Kishimoto "red penned" the script like he was writing all the jerk off scenes he wanted and how NH was so much his favorite that they had to stop HIM from writing it too badly.

However, this is my biggest thing...
Why then do people think red penning or "supervising" something means that their creator put their entire existence into it? Like they even say this with Toriyama even though the makers of the anime are just given vague notes and they fill in the blanks?

Advertisement sure, but people actually believe like this is all Kishimoto does is fine tooth the Boruto scenes and the movie when he does no such thing. It is a total lie that people believe. Advertising is one thing, but this is one of those where they know it is a lie and they still accept it.

What next? A doctor just looks at your prescription bottle and says "okay" and that is him endorsing it as a miracle drug? Come on.

Because they want to convince themselves that the creator is full behind any project they like. Also same reason people care about media agreeing with them politically because they think it shuts down anyone who disagrees with them. 

 

The thing is Kishimoto was fully involved with two movies. The Road of the Ninja/The NaruSaku movie kishimoto said he put all the stuff that his editors wouldn't allow him to be put in the manga in that movie. And the Boruto movie which was a SNS movie with their son more than anything. In that one, nH is a dysfunctional family. Then again he was trying to make a good story then because I don't think he wanted to stab his for assistant in the  back.

 

SP really wanted to destroy NaruSaku didn't they Bail, I mean hearing this makes me sick, and while I don't want anyone to die I hope SP gets shut down that they lose money so they can't do animations anymore. I know that might be too much and not far to put the voice actor out of work but that kitten studio has it coming. 

The ones working on the movie that were the people pushing her for years? Yes, but not everyone on the team agree especially according to kishimoto, the women on staff.

 

Well, the are stuck in a worse fate; working on the sequel on Japanese animator work hours with their budget and pay constantly cut due to poor ratings.

 

I suppose it doesn't matter anymore. Kishimoto as a name and a mangaka brand doesn't carry any weight today.

While his peers (authors that made manga with more than 50 million copies sold) continued to produce with reasonably acceptable reception; Kishimoto's latest manga sold less then 10k per volume in their first week and has to be axed at 5th volume. All this despite heavy marketing upfront.

Whether he 'red penned' The Last or not, the fact remains he has lost his loyal readers that used to finance his work (Naruto).

True. But I still see as both sad and a positive. Sad because this shouldn't have happened if the animators just stuck to adapting the manga and the editors didn't decided that thy knew better than the writer. Good because I think what happened with Naruto helped show to Japan that the vocal western internet community was unreliable as a customers and should be ignore.

 

Not only that, but even Hinata fans accuse Sakura fans of sending threats to Kishimoto if he didn't improve Sakura more than Hinata. I'm sure if he made Sakura the wife of Naruto they would have killed him in a flash. These toxic people are stalkers Just like their waifu.

Sounds like projection. I recall kishimoto mentioning in an interview he was constantly getting letters about how much Sakura was hated even from ten year olds.

 

You have to remember a lot of them didn't even care about Naruto, as a good tone of them just wanted Hinata to get her happy ending, hell even now they won't care what happens just as long as Hinata can stay happy which is a sad thing when you think about it.

Naruto is just an insert character for the guys/stand in for the boy girls actually want. Hinata is the perfect woman. It not even they want Hinat happy what they want was their biases confirmed.

 

The shy girl that is secretly a perfect beautiful all powerful goddess beat the friend-zoning whore that was trying to seal her man despite not putting out.

Say I'm having an debate with an SS and I need to check the stuff He/She said is true:

 

databook 2 for Sasukes its wrote: "The one who filled his lonely existence with the emotion called love was Sakura, when he was ready to not let anybody in ever"

 

In databook 4 for Sasuke its Stated for Sasuke that the last person that he ever wanted to hurt was Sakura I mean Shikamaru said it himself: "EVEN you(Sakura) could not stop him", meaning that there is something deeper between them, in the forest of death Shika saw the moment in which Sakura calm down Sasuke, after he breaks the sound boys arms that hurt Sakura. Also Sasuke said it: "Sakura I am not gonna let EVEN you stand in my way", again deeper connection.

 

All of this backs up Kishis statement of "Sakura was the last person that he ever wanted to hurt" and the realism of their love.

 

is any of this true or nonsense since we don't have 2nd or 4th data books in English?

That sound more like Naruto than Sakura. Does anyone recall where they could find a translation of those databooks?


Edited by Bail o' Lies, 18 August 2020 - 09:06 PM.


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Posted 18 August 2020 - 09:35 PM

Here in Latin America there are some YouTubers whos were such NH fans that they make me vomit. But yesterday one of them posted a video in which he admitted 2 things: 1 Naruto doesn't love Hinata and Naruto would be better off with Sakura. And he is not the only one, there are others who are also accepting it. I wonder if this is also happening in the Anglo-Saxon world or only here.

Edited by ree, 18 August 2020 - 09:40 PM.


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Posted 18 August 2020 - 10:19 PM

Here in Latin America there are some YouTubers who were such NH fans that they make me vomit. But yesterday one of them posted a video in which he admitted 2 things: 1 Naruto doesn't love Hinata and Naruto would be better off with Sakura. And he is not the only one, there are others who are also accepting it. I wonder if this is also happening in the Anglo-Saxon world or only here.

As far as I know Naruto has long since faded from the public mind even in anime fanbases long before the ending. There have been a few people that talk about Boruto but mainly as they can't like it as much as they did Naruto and they eventually stop watching it.

 

I don't watch anime reviewer often. But from what I understand the big names have long since moved on, and even the ones that were the nH reviewers that convince Kishimoto to go with Hinata have largely stop talking about it because it doesn't get views. Only those reaction video  and the biggest speds like animeballsdeep still talk about it.

 

Now a days, if someone makes a video about Naruto its what went wrong...while avoiding criticizing anything about hinata. 

 

You will never see any of them say, "For the first nine years he had one editor Yahagi. After he was promoted the new editors wanted Hinata to become the love interest which kishimoto didn't want to do at first because for nine years the love interest had been Sakura. This led to arguments that led to kishi having to replace his editor a dozen time in about six years. The constant changing editors and the conflicts he had with them slowly lower the quality of the story." Instead you hear them talk about how their was less focused on characters they liked, the changing morals, the art style, the story, and so on


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Posted 19 August 2020 - 02:45 PM

Say I'm having an debate with an SS and I need to check the stuff He/She said is true:

 

databook 2 for Sasukes its wrote: "The one who filled his lonely existence with the emotion called love was Sakura, when he was ready to not let anybody in ever"

 

In databook 4 for Sasuke its Stated for Sasuke that the last person that he ever wanted to hurt was Sakura I mean Shikamaru said it himself: "EVEN you(Sakura) could not stop him", meaning that there is something deeper between them, in the forest of death Shika saw the moment in which Sakura calm down Sasuke, after he breaks the sound boys arms that hurt Sakura. Also Sasuke said it: "Sakura I am not gonna let EVEN you stand in my way", again deeper connection.

 

All of this backs up Kishis statement of "Sakura was the last person that he ever wanted to hurt" and the realism of their love.

 

is any of this true or nonsense since we don't have 2nd or 4th data books in english?

All I really remember is that people quoted the databook 2 Sasuke thing a ton as an argument for SS before the ending. However that "with the emotion called love" is new. It used to just be about Sakura filling his lonely existence or something. Though I think it had more to do with Sakura being one of the people who helped Sasuke not feel lonely anymore. 

I don't know about the "even" part. You'd need the RAWs and a non-bias translator to figure that out. 
I've never heard SS argue the 4th databook line of "Sakura being the last person he wanted to hurt". That's new to me and I used to be very involved with the Naruto pairing debates. Granted it was mostly against NH fans since SS was considered crack at the time.

But Sasuke not wanting to hurt Sakura isn't proof of love??? I think he always acknowledged her kindness and appreciated it, hence his 'thank you' after her confession in part 1. But from what I can see, databook 4 was after the end of the manga. So...it doesn't surprise me that they'd put pro-SS in it when it happened.
Last person he wanted to hurt though...pfft, maybe because she was the last person on his mind. And he was pretty quick and unhesitating in hurting her every time they met in part 2 outside of the War arc.


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Posted 19 August 2020 - 08:56 PM

Because they want to convince themselves that the creator is full behind any project they like. Also same reason people care about media agreeing with them politically because they think it shuts down anyone who disagrees with them. 

 

The thing is Kishimoto was fully involved with two movies. The Road of the Ninja/The NaruSaku movie kishimoto said he put all the stuff that his editors wouldn't allow him to be put in the manga in that movie. And the Boruto movie which was a SNS movie with their son more than anything. In that one, nH is a dysfunctional family. Then again he was trying to make a good story then because I don't think he wanted to stab his for assistant in the  back.

 

The ones working on the movie that were the people pushing her for years? Yes, but not everyone on the team agree especially according to kishimoto, the women on staff.

 

Well, the are stuck in a worse fate; working on the sequel on Japanese animator work hours with their budget and pay constantly cut due to poor ratings.

 

True. But I still see as both sad and a positive. Sad because this shouldn't have happened if the animators just stuck to adapting the manga and the editors didn't decided that thy knew better than the writer. Good because I think what happened with Naruto helped show to Japan that the vocal western internet community was unreliable as a customers and should be ignore.

 

Sounds like projection. I recall kishimoto mentioning in an interview he was constantly getting letters about how much Sakura was hated even from ten year olds.

 

Naruto is just an insert character for the guys/stand in for the boy girls actually want. Hinata is the perfect woman. It not even they want Hinat happy what they want was their biases confirmed.

 

The shy girl that is secretly a perfect beautiful all powerful goddess beat the friend-zoning whore that was trying to seal her man despite not putting out.

That sound more like Naruto than Sakura. Does anyone recall where they could find a translation of those databooks?

 

So the word of God then, unless the author says something they disagree with and then they go death of the author. Such a shame we never got to see Sakura's parents in the manga, I also wonder how many fights Sakura would of had if the editors didn't undermine her.

 

If only the female staff of SP were in charge and not the hinata fanboys we might of avoided this ending. How well is the Boruto anime doing anyway?

 

I never understood how studio animators/producers and Jump editors thought that the manga/anime USA or global market would be bigger than the one in Japan, did they think they could be like Hollywood Movies or something? Manga and anime while I get is more popular these days, I feel is still niche form of media outside Japan and no where near the levels of main stream as sci fi, fantasy or superhero comic characters have become (with maybe a few execption like Dragon Ball, Pokemon and Yu Gi Oh). Sad that Naruto had to be the lesson it seems.

Were these ten year olds from Japan or america?

 

 

All I really remember is that people quoted the databook 2 Sasuke thing a ton as an argument for SS before the ending. However that "with the emotion called love" is new. It used to just be about Sakura filling his lonely existence or something. Though I think it had more to do with Sakura being one of the people who helped Sasuke not feel lonely anymore. 

I don't know about the "even" part. You'd need the RAWs and a non-bias translator to figure that out. 
I've never heard SS argue the 4th databook line of "Sakura being the last person he wanted to hurt". That's new to me and I used to be very involved with the Naruto pairing debates. Granted it was mostly against NH fans since SS was considered crack at the time.

But Sasuke not wanting to hurt Sakura isn't proof of love??? I think he always acknowledged her kindness and appreciated it, hence his 'thank you' after her confession in part 1. But from what I can see, databook 4 was after the end of the manga. So...it doesn't surprise me that they'd put pro-SS in it when it happened.
Last person he wanted to hurt though...pfft, maybe because she was the last person on his mind. And he was pretty quick and unhesitating in hurting her every time they met in part 2 outside of the War arc.

 

I founded this after a bit of searching, but I need to see if anyone can double check it 
 

[sp=Databook 4 - Uchiha Sasuke]Village: Unaffiliated
Rank: Unranked

ID # 012606
Birthday: 7/23 (17 years old), Leo
Height: 168.0cm, Weight: 52.2kg, Blood Type: AB
Personality: Cool, showing courage
Favourite: For Sasuke, while hunting animals, he spent time with his beloved older brother with the purpose of being able to share many moments being with him.

Chakra Nature: Fire, Wind, Lightning, Earth, Water, Yin
Characteristic: Kekkei Genkai, Kuchiyose

I am going to the battlefield. This village…Itachi…(I won’t let them) be degraded to nothing!

He sees the previous world’s disturbances/upheaval as he opens his eyes that were inherited from his older brother.

During his childhood, he lost all of his relatives since that night. Since then, day after day, he began to wander in his darkness. Every connection/relationship (was going to be) cut, though on the other hand, pursuing the destiny of the Uchiha, and adhering to the bonds of the village…

->In exchange for Itachi’s life, “Chokutomo”/Straight tomoe of the Mangekyou Sharingan were awakened.

However, even knowing Itachi’s true intentions, knowing that because Konoha flourished at the time, the world reflected in the pupils of his eyes were of a different scene/point of view. Every nindou (/ninja way) and dream came to finally be connected, the world’s revenge and upheaval…Cutting apart that fate, in order to spin a new history, Sasuke proceeded to walk towards his own dream.

-> Resurrected by Edo Tensei, reunited with Itachi, the truth of the downfall of the clan became known…!!

-> Implanting Itachi’s eyes, the Mangekyo Sharingan, giving an eternal light that was turned on, which also surpassed his older brother’s ninjutsu and doujutsu.

-> About 12 years ago: Older brother, Itachi, nostalgic memory. Whenever he would poke his forehead with a finger, shrinking the small distance with his older brother, Sasuke remembered a touch of loneliness.

When death separates love, a blood-stained “Avenger” is born.

(Hunting the Hachibi). At the chance of Itachi’s death, Sasuke understood the concealed past of the village, and he decided on a mission to crush Konoha. Cooperating with Akatsuki, assisting as collateral (in return for aid), Sasuke attacks the Hachibi. However, concerning the result of that action, it caused the Fourth Great Ninja War. While vaguely feeling that it was Madara’s aim, naturally, in order to fulfill his goal, he dared to do Madara’s (bidding?), and rode out the scenario…

-> While even knowing that the destruction of Konoha was not Itachi’s desire, holding back his hatred was impossible.

(Restoration/Revival of the Uchiha) Consequently, as a Uchiha, as Sasuke had lost everything, the revival of the his own clan was an act to regain himself. Because for destruction and the sake of the (reputation?) of the superior/excellent clan, fool’s blood was sacrificed. Because (of being) coerced into the irrational death, (the banner of?) revival was furthermore unreasonable*. Because he felt that he was turning towards the light of love of his older brother and relatives, Sasuke was dyed in the colour of revenge in deepening darkness.

-> Enlightened/opening his eyes to the Mangekyou Sharingan, it was proof of his love to Itachi.

-> Finally with Akatsuki on his sleeve, Sasuke was trying to fulfill his own goal. The obstacle blocking his way, with power, it is taken away.

A savage heart in him for his bitter enemies, in deepening darkness, also swallowing the shadows

(Gokage Conference) Itachi’s suffering… The ruin of the Uchiha was caused by the strategic planning of the upper division of the village. From the understanding of that day, Sasuke’s greatest enemy was decided to be the Hokage and their decisions, targeting the village anf their shinobi for revenge. Eager to cut off the chains that had cornered Itachi, Sasuke attacked each village’s Kage at the conference meeting.

-> Because of his hatred towards the world as Sasuke’s nindou/ninja way, Madara concluded…

(A battle told through eyes) Pressing for Itachi’s obligation to destroy the Uchiha, and (also about) Danzo (who was) snatching and collecting the Sharingan of the Uchiha…!! To bury the man in his own doujutsu, in order to pour the dishonoured spilled blood of his clan, Sasuke believed it to be a tribute to Itachi. the treatment of the Sharingan, and Itachi’s nindou/ninja way.

-> Deception of Izanagi, showing genjutsu, in reality, the sword pierced his enemy.

With a triumphant/smug look, talking to his foe, Sasuke’s wrath exceeded the boiling point. Taking advantage of thethe arrogance of Danzo’s abuse of the Sharingan, Sasuke achieved a magnificent revenge. But still in his eye, sufficient light was not being lit.

-> At the appearance of the fallen enemy, overlooking coldheartedly. From use of the Uchiha’s power during combat, closing the curtain on the victory over the man who drew the blood of the Uchiha.

Revenge or Unity… Drawing near the choice, repeated connections/relationships

(Exchanged fists and promises) Fallen into the darkness of revenge, Sasuke’s former friend is blocking the way to his teacher. Hanging onto his own nindou, Naruto declares that he will stop Sasuke. Remembering those words, the true nature of the throbbing of his heart, at the time, Sasuke still did not know.

-> In the midst of trying to lay a hand on Sakura, facing Kakashi, Kakashi tries to stop Sasuke with his own hands.

-> From Kakashi, turning to Naruto, truly murderous intent dwells in the chidori.

-> Exchanging fists, the two’s hearts and minds, mutual thoughts of a vision of future death were transmitted.

Itachi’s eyes.

After the fight with Naruto, immediately following the farewell and sworn to meet again, Sasuke desired Itachi’s eyes. Even though he hated the desires of the owner’s viewpoint, both eyes were decided to be transplanted…Once it was decided that he would possess the eyes, something within himself began to change. Sasuke wondered if he vaguely began to feel it…

-> The reason for implanting Itachi’s eyes: Explained to Madara that it was in order to take down Naruto.

-> With his older brother’s Sharingan, Sasuke received eternal light.

(United Front of Brothers) From Edo Tensei, a predestined chance encounter with Itachi was accomplished. With Sasuke, together against Kabuto, they were able to obtain victory. At the time, for the first time from his brother, realized as equals, the real truth was conveyed and accepted. Understanding the love/affection of his older brother and parents, the concealed hatred of darkness on his heart, little by little, cleared away.

-> From implanting those eyes, Itachi’s viewpoint still could not be reached. Even knowing that, Sasuke pressed Itachi for the truth.

-> Releasing souls from the seal of the shinigami, the Hokage were resurrected with Edo Tensei.

-> (The Ones Who Know Everything) What is a clan, a village, a shinobi? Having been entrusted with Itachi thoughts/feelings, various questions were brought to Sasuke’s attention. To decide how he should go forward, he didn’t know himself…In order to get that clue, Sasuke faced an encounter with the previous generations of Hokage.

(Decision) Hashirama’s dream of the development of Konoha, that was handed over to the Nidaime’s sense of duty, and then in the Sandaime’s generation, the regret over the destruction of the Uchiha…Over and over, on top of the wishes of the Hokage, it made an impression inside Sasuke. The past, personally comparing against his heart/mind, he was determined to make a decision!

-> Inside Sasuke, Hashirama saw his formerly sworn friend, Madara’s face. Having told the history of the village, he tested and tried to solve the ill feelings.

Keeping his decision hidden in his chest, Uchiha Sasuke, the three now come to battlefield

-> Opposing Madara , who was endowed with overwhelming power, the shinobi were forced to fight a hopeless battle. Appearing heroically in front of him, it was Sasuke who vowed to protect the village!

(Hokage) Because Konoha was driven to cause the destruction of the Uchiha, having been raised on the soil of his clan, it was evidence of the existence of the Uchiha. When those thoughts came to mind, “The Target of Powerful Destruction” was the village, then became “The Being/Existence of Power to Make Changes”: both were reflected in Sasuke’s eyes. Evidence of Itachi’s life/existence will not disappear!!

In order to fulfill a burning ambition in his chest, Sasuke assists on the battlefield to protect the village. And then, in front of his comrades of Konoha, he announced that he would become Hokage. Next to head the village, spinning history with his own hands. That was Sasuke’s intention, his own way’s (distinction?)*.

-> Sasuke’s dream of being Hokage consisted over denial of his predecessor’s (ideals).

(Expectations). The degeneration/corruption of the shinobi world, now succeeding/inheriting the past, interweaving with the consequences. In that case, in judgement of the cursed traditions, a new history to be made! The darkness dwelling in his own heart had not yet disappeared.

-> In order to build a new ideal world, including the legacy of the tailed beasts, trying to burn them with jet-black flames.

(Otsutsuki Kaguya) As Sasuke was the reincarnation of Indra, his was a person with a destiny that was attached to the seal of Kaguya. From the Rikudou Sennin, awakening the Rinnegan and the key to the seal…Those were evidence of Sasuke heartfelt (effort) and desire in wanting to rescue the world.

-> While jointly struggling for a long time, outstanding cooperation was shown for the children of prophecy. As expected, it was Naruto and Sasuke, similar to being half (of eachother’s) bodies.

Naruto and Sasuke. The power of the two of them, piercing a God…

Translated by OrganicDinosaur[/sp]
 
 

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Posted 19 August 2020 - 10:19 PM

As far as I know Naruto has long since faded from the public mind even in anime fanbases long before the ending. There have been a few people that talk about Boruto but mainly as they can't like it as much as they did Naruto and they eventually stop watching it.

 

I don't watch anime reviewer often. But from what I understand the big names have long since moved on, and even the ones that were the nH reviewers that convince Kishimoto to go with Hinata have largely stop talking about it because it doesn't get views. Only those reaction video  and the biggest speds like animeballsdeep still talk about it.

 

Now a days, if someone makes a video about Naruto its what went wrong...while avoiding criticizing anything about hinata. 

 

You will never see any of them say, "For the first nine years he had one editor Yahagi. After he was promoted the new editors wanted Hinata to become the love interest which kishimoto didn't want to do at first because for nine years the love interest had been Sakura. This led to arguments that led to kishi having to replace his editor a dozen time in about six years. The constant changing editors and the conflicts he had with them slowly lower the quality of the story." Instead you hear them talk about how their was less focused on characters they liked, the changing morals, the art style, the story, and so on

From my own experience, modern audiences either know to steer clear of the Naruto fandom for it's toxic shipping war, or they don't know anything about the franchise and what happened serves as a horror story to them.


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