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[Chatte]

Thanks guys!!

[Bail o' Lies]

Author Avatar is probably the one you want to use. As Sai wasn't much of a self insert (that was Naruto and Minato), or a mary sue (Hinata and Kushina because she was made to please his wife and didn't have much time other than give an overview of herself with out going into much detail). As much as he was kishimoto's prop to show NS's development; so, he was an avatar to help move along NS. And when Kishi stop supporting NS. Sai became almost nonexistent in the story; he still Ino's husband and I think in-charge of the ANBU (I think that's his job).

Edited by Bail o' Lies, 14 November 2020 - 10:21 AM.

[Tiller]

Unless Kishi is broke, I don't see him redoing anything.

[Chatte]

Same to be honest. 

 

Sadly he lacks a backbone and that was seen throughout his career. 

 

Not only that but he also stooped as low as to give in to the fan's logic and declare all those horrible things, so what's done it's done.

 

There's no changing that.

[Nostradamus]

Unless Kishi is broke, I don't see him redoing anything.

Not broke, just greedy.

[Illnevergiveup3]

I'm one who always has unlimited optimism. I believe it will, eventually, might be years from now. But that's just who I am.

[Tiller]

Unless Kishi is broke, I don't see him redoing anything.

Of course I say that then this happens the next day.

 

Kishimoto Officially Takes Over Boruto Manga

[Nostradamus]

Of course I say that then this happens the next day.

 

Kishimoto Officially Takes Over Boruto Manga

Sign of desperation? Sign of greed? Sign of regret? Sign of hope?

Let's see.

[TheFirstEvil100]

Sign of desperation? Sign of greed? Sign of regret? Sign of hope?
Let's see.

None Kishimoto wont fix it because he doesnt care about what the true fans are trying to tell him that NaruSaku should have been a couple.

I mean, even if he did want to do it. Something tells me that SP will never let Hinatas happiness get ruined like that.

[ree]

Sign of desperation? Sign of greed? Sign of regret? Sign of hope?
Let's see.

Desperation surely. They won't let Boruto get canceled, SP had puts so many effort in it. It's so funny, after 3 charapters more Boruto's gonna be in the same place he is right now 🤷‍♂️

[RandomGuy]

Even if he takes over Boruto I feel without Kosuke Yahagi (his original editor), whatever "magic"-- in terms of story telling-- he tries to breathe into Boruto will fall flat. It's built off of the skeletal remains of what Naruto used to be. Boruto is only catered to pro-enders and new fans, so the only thing I can see him doing is bringing the original art style of Naruto to Buroto. It'll be interesting to see how he'll handle the mess that is Boruto...

[Nostradamus]

None Kishimoto wont fix it because he doesnt care about what the true fans are trying to tell him that NaruSaku should have been a couple.

I mean, even if he did want to do it. Something tells me that SP will never let Hinatas happiness get ruined like that.

We shall see. He took the first step. Whether it was because he was asked nicely with a nice sum of money to come back or he wanted to do something now that his other project failed, or a combination of both. We don't know, yet.

The thing is, he took it. Something's changed. Let's see what that something is.

Am I putting hope in this? Not really, but that's not the point. The point is that something changed. An action was taken when previously it looked like he's out completely.

 

Desperation surely. They won't let Boruto get canceled, SP had puts so many effort in it. It's so funny, after 3 charapters more Boruto's gonna be in the same place he is right now ‍♂️

Money is money, and businesses need money. And no matter how work SP put into it they can't escape that fact.

Sooner or later it is inevitable for them to put an end to it if it doesn't give them a return.

Edited by Nostradamus, 16 November 2020 - 09:07 PM.

[Bail o' Lies]

Of course I say that then this happens the next day.

 

Kishimoto Officially Takes Over Boruto Manga

Oh no. He not just supervising this time; he is writing and drafting.

 

Sign of desperation? Sign of greed? Sign of regret? Sign of hope?

Let's see.

Boruto has always been on the decline but had more or less stabilized and found it place by this point as an average anime and be low average manga. I don't think Kishimoto coming back is going to do anymore than maybe give it a temporary boost.

 

I guess the failure of Samurai 8 is at the root of this. It could have been it shook him and he wanted to go back to something he knows to build his confidence. It could be he needs money. He wants to get those clowns out of either because he thinks their incompetent or a kindness so they can do their own stories after three years of filling in for him. It could be after that manga failure after all the backing they gave it lost him a lot of influence and Shueisha ordered him back on Boruto to fix it.

 

Desperation surely. They won't let Boruto get canceled, SP had puts so many effort in it. It's so funny, after 3 chapters more Boruto's gonna be in the same place he is right now ‍♂️

As long as the anime is ongoing, the manga won't get canceled.

 

...Stuck as the main character without Naruto to support him?

Even if he takes over Boruto I feel without Kosuke Yahagi (his original editor), whatever "magic"-- in terms of story telling-- he tries to breathe into Boruto will fall flat. It's built off of the skeletal remains of what Naruto used to be. Boruto is only catered to pro-enders and new fans, so the only thing I can see him doing is bringing the original art style of Naruto to Buroto. It'll be interesting to see how he'll handle the mess that is Boruto...

Yahagi leaving itself wasn't the cause of Naruto collapse as much as his replacements were Hinata fans that wanted her to become the heroine.

 

At this point the story of Boruto is more or less set. Nail going to get the seal again and be the new Sasuke. Naruto is going to die due to the super sacrifice mode he just activated. He can only do some basic improvement to quality. Maybe since Nail isn't his character Bolt will go back to being the actual main character and maybe Salad will be given more significance. Beyond that, I don't see much improvement.

Edited by Bail o' Lies, 16 November 2020 - 09:22 PM.

[Chatte]

This was the news that echoed today all over.

I gave my two cents here.

But like you guys, I also have no hope, nor trust the man.

 

I cannot ever forget what he did to Sakura in order to cater to the NaruHina fans.

 

He could've done things differently, yet he did it so low... and for that I'll never muster any sign of respect for the man.

 

I don't know if I will ever be able to trust him as a writer.

 

I don't know... he'd have to do something to leave my jaw dropped for me to even reconsider to at least give him the benefit of the doubt...

[RandomGuy]

Yahagi leaving itself wasn't the cause of Naruto collapse as much as his replacements were Hinata fans that wanted her to become the heroine.

True. I remember going back over Naruto Shippuden after the ending to understand why it happened, and what I gleaned from it was that once Yahagi left the themes that were being developed in Naruto and early shippuden slowly began to unravel to benifit what Studio Perriot always wanted to do (among other things).

We started getting dragon ball z level fights that no one could hope to challenge, child of prophecy/fated reincarnation mumbo jumbo, and a alien princess who is in fact connected to Sasuke and Naruto through this incarnation kitten. We literally saw in slow motion an overarching aspect of Naruto get destroyed in the latter chapters of Shippuden for the sequel Boruto.

[Bail o' Lies]

This was the news that echoed today all over.

I gave my two cents here.

But like you guys, I also have no hope, nor trust the man.

 

I cannot ever forget what he did to Sakura in order to cater to the NaruHina fans.

 

He could've done things differently, yet he did it so low... and for that I'll never muster any sign of respect for the man.

 

I don't know if I will ever be able to trust him as a writer.

 

I don't know... he'd have to do something to leave my jaw dropped for me to even reconsider to at least give him the benefit of the doubt...

Well looking at your article. There is no way that they are resetting at this point. It could be because Naruto is about to die so maybe they wanted the original mangaka to do it so it won't cause a minor scandal...though I doubt that many people care at this point.

 

I only see this as a temperate boost in interest, that will eventually fade. Though that probably already happen with Naruto's death.

 

True. I remember going back over Naruto Shippuden after the ending to understand why it happened, and what I gleaned from it was that once Yahagi left the themes that were being developed in Naruto and early shippuden slowly began to unravel to benifit what Studio Perriot always wanted to do (among other things).

We started getting dragon ball z level fights that no one could hope to challenge, child of prophecy/fated reincarnation mumbo jumbo, and a alien princess who is in fact connected to Sasuke and Naruto through this incarnation kitten. We literally saw in slow motion an overarching aspect of Naruto get destroyed in the latter chapters of Shippuden for the sequel Boruto.

We were already sort of heading that way before Yahagi left. Jiraya final fight, the child of prophecy, Sasuke and Itachi fight. and so on. He only left just before the Pein arc, and due to how their system works he the one that helped lay that one out for the most part. The hinata bit was from the new editor though.

[Chatte]

Well looking at your article. There is no way that they are resetting at this point. It could be because Naruto is about to die so maybe they wanted the original mangaka to do it so it won't cause a minor scandal...though I doubt that many people care at this point.

 

I only see this as a temperate boost in interest, that will eventually fade. Though that probably already happen with Naruto's death.

 

We were already sort of heading that way before Yahagi left. Jiraya final fight, the child of prophecy, Sasuke and Itachi fight. and so on. He only left just before the Pein arc, and due to how their system works he the one that helped lay that one out for the most part. The hinata bit was from the new editor though.

 

That's why I'm also telling people to not be hopeful. 

The man basically spat in people's faces and now they expect him to make it all nice and dandy?

Nah, that was a point of proving oneself for Kishimoto. And instead of doing the right thing, he did that.

 

And not only he did that, but he absolutely shat on people's respect for him as a writer and human being.

 

Even if he went for NaruHina and SasuSaku, he could've just said that look, it's a decision I pondered over, maybe it's not the best, but it's one I took.

From my understanding you the audience like this better.So I wanted to give back to you yadda yadda.

I think people would've respected eventually at least, that more than the fiasco we got with NaruSaku was redherring, Sakura is a terrible woman for moving on to Naruto, Hinata was there from the beginning and all that.

[TheFirstEvil100]

We shall see. He took the first step. Whether it was because he was asked nicely with a nice sum of money to come back or he wanted to do something now that his other project failed, or a combination of both. We don't know, yet.

The thing is, he took it. Something's changed. Let's see what that something is.

Am I putting hope in this? Not really, but that's not the point. The point is that something changed. An action was taken when previously it looked like he's out completely.

 

Hmm, true, I'm not putting hope in it either, I mean Kishi would need to come out and say the ending was a mistake I mean we can all dream and hope, but if this is true how can they do it that will make it feel right?

[Namaenash]

Sign of desperation? Sign of greed? Sign of regret? Sign of hope?
Let's see.

I'd say desperation, not on Kishimoto end, but rather from the publisher and/or anime studio. People need to know that Kishimoto has always been involved in Boruto (supervising, whatever that entails). So, this is nothing new, and probably just a marketing stunt.

Why I think it shows desperation? The franchise generated a gross revenue of 8.1 billion for manga magazine and manga volume alone in the span of 15 years (https://en.m.wikiped...edia_franchises) starting from 2000. It's sold 250 million copies in that timeframe.

Contrast that to less than 1 million copies Boruto sold in 2019. It's not even 1/10 of what Naruto pre-2016 generated.

Of course they're desperate to fix it. More than 80% of Naruto franchise's gross revenue comes from manga magazine and manga volumes.

The whole point of Boruto is to gain more profits. All these U-turn in the storyline, killing NS to make NH/SS canon, put Hinata as the heroine and push Sakura as non-important character. All of these have only one objective: money.

And not only they didn't get the money they thought they would've got, those steps actually killed the very engine that finances this franchise its loyal readers. Those that supported the manga since its early days.

The signs are very clear. They didn't put Hinata in the front seat anymore, immediately after The Last. You hardly get any meaningful NH/SS moments in the manga or anime after The Last. They advertised Hinata as the true heroine when The Last came out, and at the start of Boruto manga. Have anyone heard anything about it again?

When it aired in Netflix, or other streaming media, you'd see Naruto, Sasuke and Sakura on the poster, or Team 7. You wouldn't see Hinata, even after The Last. I keep telling this, and I'll repeat again: Hinata doesn't sell. She didnt bring money to the table. They tried selling merchandise with her in it, it just didnt fly.

As for the official take over, whatever they call it (honestly, it's more like someone was getting fired, lol), majority of the fans probably don't care anymore. It's a lost on Kishimoto end, if he wished the old fans to return and buy his manga. We have moved on.

I think it's important to note that money may not be Kishimoto's motivation in coming back. He's worth more than $20 million (a rarity for mangaka to attain such value, although I think it's an unfair distribution considering the overall gross revenue).

Regardless, he has placed himself in a difficult position. If the Boruto manga sales stays flat or decline even more, he'll proof even further that his name as a brand doesn't carry weight. If the Boruto manga sales gain steam, he'd be expected to bring it at Naruto level of success or even more. This can only be done by major overhaul to Boruto storyline. Anything below Naruto sales will further proof the whole storyline u-turn brings nothing but destruction to the franchise.

He's competing against himself a decade ago. The difference this time is he no longer have that loyal readers supporting him, he no longer have editor like Yahagi who steers the storyline direction (let's face it, Kishi is not a storyteller genius like Yoko Taro) and he's not that young anymore.

I wouldn't hold my breath on the news. Deep down we know where this is going...

[totherpage95]

i wonder if it's over some difference in opinion on if naruto dies (between ikemoto and kishi)

Edited by totherpage95, 17 November 2020 - 01:35 AM.