dragonflyx11

 How about a small list? 

 

I'm challenging your statement because I do not believe there are "Way too many to name", nor were there "Retcons left and right". You're free not to indulge, but if you are going to claim a position, better to make an example. 

 

Kaguya suffered from lack of foreshadowing, yes, though I will disagree that she's the worst, though this is a position we can respectfully have differing views on with no problem. 

 

And no character was "destroyed". No character became OOC at the end, objectively so. They're still the same characters. 

 I guess a better way to put it would be character regression. Destruction of growth. Sakura was in character for 12 yr old Sakura. Also i said ONE of the worst not the worst, but as you said we can agree to disagree on that. Sasuke's history was retconned. The LAST was a giant retcon and a band-aid on a gaping wound. I'm done with this topic though. I'm not gonna go through every little mistake, like i said i'm done with canon Naruto, it was a great start changed into one heaping pile of ass.

Thanks for the nice reply's everyone. Well i have never been very active in the discussions themselves I definitely pop in threads from time to time. It is nice to see that there are still many people who care about this place as i do.

 

On another note. Tricksie, well i know you haven't written in awhile. Your writing is some of the most enjoyable i have read.

 

What many, many holes? 

Way to many to name. Retcons left and right. Changing of timelines to suit his needs. NTM one of the worst final enemies ever. Like i said in another thread. I know not to get in a debate with you. I don't mean to come off as harsh, I just don't see us being able to have a proper discussion on it. I accept that our opinions differ and leave it at that. I got over the ending a long time ago. I have accepted it for what it is. The manga was on on a downward spiral to me long before that, but it was special to me and i just couldn't simply let it go. I will always believe NS would of been the best choice. Kishimoto destroyed 2 once great characters ( along with so many other mistakes) , but that does not matter to me anymore. I have moved on from the canon Naruto universe a long long time ago. 

 

Isn't that a problematic stance? We can't make a case on what his intent was, and we can't use the interviews to support or case because we are saying "Authors lie from time to time", yet his words are more or less consistent, and don't really support that anyway. 

You say he is consistent, but i say the many many holes in his story say otherwise. our opinions differ and ALWAYS will differ.

 
Even if we are assuming the author is lying, if the source material lines up with his words, you are going to be in a far better position to make a strong case. 

That is your opinion (that the source material is lining up with what he is saying) Id debate you on this, but after looking through alot of your posts, I've come to see that would be fruitless with you. so ill just leave it here.