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[Catra]

sasuke should have died with itachi. his story was done and extending his revenge was just annoying and made him look like a tool. but of course that wasn't gonna happen since he's so popular in japan they not dare get rid of the one who brings in the yen.

[HalfDemonInuyasha]

Sasuke should have died for this story to make any sense. Instead he's be rewarded.

As I brought up before, I actually think death would've actually been more of a "mercy" to Sasuke.

I think it would have been much better if he had ended up losing his eyes somehow; either literally by having them taken from him, or using so much power stupidly that he overloads them and goes permanently blind, either normal blind or physically closed off ala Izanagi use. After all, for the longest time, for someone like Sasuke, much like Madara, they cherished their eyes and their power far more than anyone or anything else to where it drove at least Madara to take Izuna's, his own brother's, eyes just to save his own (I still call BS on Izuna willingly giving his eyes to Madara given the two were supposedly rivals as well as brothers), so the prospect of losing them, much less actually having it happen, would be a fate worse than death for Sasuke. I mean, look at how quickly Sasuke decides to take Itachi's eyes after he so quickly overuses his own Mangekyo even though he said before that he wouldn't take them, and that he didn't need them.

The loss of his eyes would also instantly knock Sasuke down many pegs, forcing him down to the level of "weaklings" and force him to accept help from other people just to even live a normal civilian life.

[Ryriena]

I think the bigger disappointment is the fandom itself. Yeah, writer's can mess-up and screw up, but at the same time, they can fix it. They can redraw it. They can rework it, but it is the fandom that are the ones that sit here and eat that stuff up saying "it's perfect. change nothing" all because of pairing.

Honestly, it's sometimes like the fandom doesn't listen even when given the truth.

Kishimoto: "I didn't plan NaruHina. That was all Studio Perriot's idea. I wasn't big into the idea of pairings."
Fandom: "ZOMG, NH was planneds from teh beginnings. I knew Kishimoto supported us all the way."

Kishimoto: "Hinata works in the shadows and never by anyone's side. She is always the shy one."
Fandom: "Hinata is always by Naruto's side."

Kishimoto: "Sasuke and Sakura are kind of bad and miserable. I am not sure if they would stick together at all."
Fandom: "ZOMG, SS is such a happy couple. Kishimoto said so himself."

Kishimoto: "The only thing I had planned in my head was the Sasuke and Naruto fight . Everything else was just on whim."
Fandom: "See? I told you the pairings were planned since the beginning."

Seriously, do the fans even listen? I have several interviews, official, that says that Kishimoto basically let Studio Perriot run the show and the fandoms think it was all the "pure genius that is Kishimoto. Respect the author."

And believe reality, it's not like a fandom can't fight against a bad ending...look at the Mass Effect 3 debacle or the "I am Legend" movie.

The thing is the Mass Effect 3 ending thing didn't change a thing it just gave it more information as to what the hell was going on. Heck they to even blamed the fans for not understanding, what was going on like Kishimoney did for their crapstastic ending and yes I am still pissed at myself for wasting 60.00 for that poor storyline. And the wtf Edi has a body now plot device. Jacob my god Jacob oh and Thane dies in a stupid way. Oh and Kai Lang. We're still fighting for a ending we deserve as fans of the series.

[ThroughWithLove]

In your opinion what could have made sakuras confession not questionable?

Get rid of Sai immediately telling Naruto Sakura was lying in the next chapter. That and Yamato being shocked and thinking "something is up" despite having suspected this for well over 100 chapters. Naruto calling her a liar could still work, provided it ended up being revealed that he was the one lying to himself down the road.

[Emb3rs]

I think it would have made little sense to make that their shining moment. I love the feeling it gave everyone reading or watching that moment because it just pushed their relationship through the roof, making us forget even more hinatas confession. But, if she had kissed him or been more persistant in her confession it would have looked way to fake because her motive at that point was to bring naruto back to the village.

 

I really hate the whole red herring BS they pulled in the manga because kishimoto is terrible at writing a decent romance. I understand what he was trying to do but there is a reason authors review their work you know. Any minor review would have slapped your vision of NaruHina out of your mind if you had seen how terrible you did building up those characters as a potential couple. Also i dont understand how NaruHina was ever more popular than NaruSaku. When he stated that he saw fans want for naruhina to be canon it basically pushed him a little more to finish it the way he always wanted to with NaruHina. If that were the case and he actually looked into fanbases im almost 100% sure there were, at the time and even now, more fans of NaruSaku then NaruHina.

 

I like to think the anime, being a little more off the path of the manga, will give NaruSaku fans more of NaruSaku even if its not canon i love their moments its what keeps me going and basically gives me hope that they will make something off the canon series for the fans that want Naruto and Sakura to be canon.

[Nostradamus]

The thing is the Mass Effect 3 ending thing didn't change a thing it just gave it more information as to what the hell was going on. Heck they to even blamed the fans for not understanding, what was going on like Kishimoney did for their crapstastic ending and yes I am still pissed at myself for wasting 60.00 for that poor storyline. And the wtf Edi has a body now plot device. Jacob my god Jacob oh and Thane dies in a stupid way. Oh and Kai Lang. We're still fighting for a ending we deserve as fans of the series.

Mass Effect 3's ending was ass. Even with the extended cut it still makes no sense, actually the extended cut made it worse.

But here's the thing Bioware themselves indirectly admitted on their forums that the reason they did that ending was because their bosses aka Electronic Arts also known as EA, demanded for them to release the game regardless if the story and/or game were not finished. Plus the lead writer left and he wasn't part of the development of the third game at all.

 

They couldn't directly say "Hey EA told us to release the game even if it's not finished so we did." because that would've got them fired. So they indirectly admitted the truth on their forums. Don't ask me for proof because that would take me a very long time to find it. You can find it yourself on Bioware's forums in the ME3's threads, look for postings from people who work at Bioware, if you don't believe me and want to see for yourself.

 

Also I don't recall Bioware telling fans that they didn't understand the ending. They said that everyone can interpret it however they want. There's no wrong way to interpret it. Even with the IT.

[ichigo500]

Weeeelll...make her more honest. This would have been as easy as abc ! But Kishi is a bad writer so....

[tricksie]

To me, it's not that Sakura's confession is false or full of lies, etc. It's just that with the NH ending, it made Sakura's confession pointless. Sakura is shown afterward thinking of Sasuke with regret and pain (during the LoverNin chapter). 

 

It's is only the ending (post 662 "The True End" chapter) that retroactively calls into question Sakura's behavior and makes her a 'liar.'

 

Up until that point Sakura's behavior towards Naruto was consistent with her being in love with him. Sure, her confession was clumsy and predisposed to be distrusted with viewers like Sai and Yamato inserting their opinions. But with an NS ending, Naruto would have filled in the gaps in her feeling with his own confession (sure to be just as clumsy). And her confession would just go down as one of those scenes meant to confuse readers about the real ending, but the intent would come through loud and clear for the true believers.

 

Just like NH fans are doing now with all the ridiculous Hinata stalking scenes. Only the ending (and 'The Last') justifies those as being true love on her part, when they were never anything more than throw-away scenes of one-sided infatuation from a side character.

 

The manga ending — and specifically the lack of a return confession from Naruto — is what makes Sakura's confession hollow. 

 

Because I don't see Sakura's confession as bad or lies, even now. Just sad. Cause she's the one who tried and put her feelings out there on the line, and not only did Naruto openly bash her in front of their friends ('I hate people who lie to themselves' instead of just 'Thanks') but the ending/movie would have us believe that Naruto never loved her at all. Just used her to compete with Sasuke. And got over his affection for her as if she were a bowl of ramen.

 

The ending ruined Sakura's confession more than anything else.

[Konoha'sCrimsonFox]

The thing about Naruto only liked Sakura because of his rivalry with Sasuke is a total BS. People have to understand that line meant that Sasuke had feelings for Sakura since before the manga started and naruto was just getting in their way. There is no conclusive evidence that this happen. The last two chapters is just a total BS retcon and a reboot to the franchise.

[rocci]

The thing about Naruto only liked Sakura because of his rivalry with Sasuke is a total BS. People have to understand that line meant that Sasuke had feelings for Sakura since before the manga started and naruto was just getting in their way. There is no conclusive evidence that this happen. The last two chapters is just a total BS retcon and a reboot to the franchise.

Yes, sasuke doesn't love sakura since the start of manga. It's only ss imagination, because they thought this is a shoujo manga where the dark loner boy has a feeling for the female character.

Edited by rocci, 03 November 2015 - 06:33 PM.

[Ryriena]

Mass Effect 3's ending was ass. Even with the extended cut it still makes no sense, actually the extended cut made it worse.
But here's the thing Bioware themselves indirectly admitted on their forums that the reason they did that ending was because their bosses aka Electronic Arts also known as EA, demanded for them to release the game regardless if the story and/or game were not finished. Plus the lead writer left and he wasn't part of the development of the third game at all.
 
They couldn't directly say "Hey EA told us to release the game even if it's not finished so we did." because that would've got them fired. So they indirectly admitted the truth on their forums. Don't ask me for proof because that would take me a very long time to find it. You can find it yourself on Bioware's forums in the ME3's threads, look for postings from people who work at Bioware, if you don't believe me and want to see for yourself.
 
Also I don't recall Bioware telling fans that they didn't understand the ending. They said that everyone can interpret it however they want. There's no wrong way to interpret it. Even with the IT.

I agree the extended cut made the story and plot development even worse, actually it was with in the first few interviews that I remember reading something along those lines before the IT theory came about. That's is when they went with the interpert anyway you want excuse it was like saying, why didn't we think of that as an excuse in the first place.

I agree they couldn't admit that EA forced them into releasing the game early and thus blamed fans at the beginning but also tried to calm the outrage by releasing the extended cut scenes which also if you remember made things even worse like the Normandy good bye scene with your LI my god made me cringe at how illogical that was in retrospect.

[HalfDemonInuyasha]

To me, it's not that Sakura's confession is false or full of lies, etc. It's just that with the NH ending, it made Sakura's confession pointless. Sakura is shown afterward thinking of Sasuke with regret and pain (during the LoverNin chapter). 

 

It's is only the ending (post 662 "The True End" chapter) that retroactively calls into question Sakura's behavior and makes her a 'liar.'

 

Up until that point Sakura's behavior towards Naruto was consistent with her being in love with him. Sure, her confession was clumsy and predisposed to be distrusted with viewers like Sai and Yamato inserting their opinions. But with an NS ending, Naruto would have filled in the gaps in her feeling with his own confession (sure to be just as clumsy). And her confession would just go down as one of those scenes meant to confuse readers about the real ending, but the intent would come through loud and clear for the true believers.

 

Just like NH fans are doing now with all the ridiculous Hinata stalking scenes. Only the ending (and 'The Last') justifies those as being true love on her part, when they were never anything more than throw-away scenes of one-sided infatuation from a side character.

 

The manga ending — and specifically the lack of a return confession from Naruto — is what makes Sakura's confession hollow. 

 

Because I don't see Sakura's confession as bad or lies, even now. Just sad. Cause she's the one who tried and put her feelings out there on the line, and not only did Naruto openly bash her in front of their friends ('I hate people who lie to themselves' instead of just 'Thanks') but the ending/movie would have us believe that Naruto never loved her at all. Just used her to compete with Sasuke. And got over his affection for her as if she were a bowl of ramen.

 

The ending ruined Sakura's confession more than anything else.

Yeah, you have haters trying to act like just because she didn't say it so "perfectly" like Hinata did with Naruto, that it somehow means it's not true at all. (And yet we know that if Hinata were to, by some huge miracle and/or prodding by others, confess to Naruto at any other time, full of stuttering and crap, that those same haters would still act like it's so "perfect" and "cute" and crap.)

Of course, her hesitation in killing Sasuke, to those same people, also must mean she "lied" too.

And NH/SS lovers continue to ignore the complete double standards in terms of the "only loved because of competition" thing; Sakura only loving Sasuke out of competition with Ino and countless other girls her age, or Naruto with Hinata could easily be said it was only out of competition with Toneri after he set his eyes on Hinata, and so on.