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[Gravenimage]

This whole fangirl!Sakura thing is getting old... 

 

You're telling me I'm still surprise that there are NS fans who still see Sakura as a fan girl.

[六道仙人]

Sakura isn't a fangirl anymore....

[Shadow Wolf]

You're telling me I'm still surprise that there are NS fans who still see Sakura as a fan girl.

Anyway, speaking a bit about the chapter... Is it me, or is Sakura's expression a bit... weird in the first page?

Edited by Shadow Wolf, 31 May 2013 - 10:48 PM.

[arian_rad]

Do you guys think sasuke is going to take the jubbi at the end? because he needs hashirama's cells in order to do that or so I've heard. I think sasuke will try some sort of scheme because he needs some sort of power to become hokage because at this point he is outclassed by naruto. And that is when i think orochimaru will probably take over sasuke's body and try to take the Juubi. This is perfect since at this point orochimaru has hashirama's cells. I dont see anything going good for sasuke at the end of this. I'm sort of thinking of all the sasusaku fans out there that still dont think sasuke has something up his sleeves which is gunna finish off whatever sakura has left for him. There is a moment coming where her development will be put to the test, I can just tell. What are you guys thinking? any predictions?

[Gravenimage]

Sakura isn't a fangirl anymore....

 

This^ 

[Don-kun]

 

You might want to check other threads dude. XD

 

Give me a minute and I'll find you the link.

 

EDIT: Hah... not even one minute. XD

 

http://www.narusaku....=12939&p=470869

 

 

Sorry for the delay reply I was already about to start heading home and since I was driving I could not reply at that time, thanks that was really helpful.

 

Also 六道仙人 thank you for always taking your time to assist us with translations, sometimes words really do get lost in MP and MS translation.

[StriderC]

Sakura isn't a fangirl anymore....

They're gonna be in for a rude awakening when future chapters prove this once again. Hopefully Kishi makes it even more obvious for the blind. LOL 

[Nath0man]

They're gonna be in for a rude awakening when future chapters prove this once again. Hopefully Kishi makes it even more obvious for the blind. LOL 

 

I'm praying for Kishi not to mess up the next chapter

[KnS]

 

631 did not make NS cannon. We are not quiet there yet, and until we get a formal resolution, expect to see more of this. 

 

I agree.  There will be more.  Sakura's confused feelings will have to be addressed.  

But like I was saying (back on the #631 thread, I think), I can't see a plausible way for Kishimoto to further complicate or really drag out Sakura's confusion.  He has brought his characters and their interactions a long way, and it seems that Sakura has grown too much to realistically fall back to a fangirling state.  Sakura doesn't have to regress for the final pairing issues to have an exciting conclusion.  

And Kishimoto certainly didn't drag out NH the way he could have.  Instead he sunk it handily with a few panels in #631, by reinforcing what had already been shown in the story:  Naruto loves Sakura, Hinata's confession did not change his feelings, and his actions and motivation in #615 were platonic because his heart was and always had been elsewhere.

It's more complicated to resolve Sakura's feelings, but that doesn't mean Kishimoto will necessarily choose to belabor it.  Purely from a storytelling perspective, there's a lot he can (and probably will) do to continue moving Sakura beyond her feelings for Sasuke and toward Naruto without having to focus on it directly.  

It might be that instead of compounding the melodrama, Kishimoto will systematically give Sakura more reasons and awareness that Naruto is her true choice.  Who knows... we might get more panels like this:



As the manga draws to a close, there are a lot of plot points and character motivations to resolve that on the face of it don't have anything to do with Team 7 romance.  However, what Orochimaru does as well as how Hashirama v. Madara and Kakashi v. Obito play out will likely influence what happens with Naruto v. Sasuke, which in turn will influence Sakura's feelings for them.  

So yeah, there will be more pairing stuff to endure in the story, but I don't see it being a big vortex of angst -- except in the fandom, of course. x__X

 

 

The biggest hurdle to SS has always been Sasuke. And it's still that.

 

 

And really, this is where Kishimoto has been most consistent.  Sasuke has shown zero signs of interest in Sakura, and zero signs of any real positive change toward his role in Team 7.  The only way I see him showing any interest in Sakura is if, now that he sees her strength and usefulness, he tries to manipulate her for the sake of his agenda.  But after the "if you mean it, kill Karin" episode, I don't see that working.

 

Regardless, like you said, this feel-good moment and spirit of collaboration won't last.  The Sauce has other plans.

[Sakamaki Izayoi]

 

 

And really, this is where Kishimoto has been most consistent.  Sasuke has shown zero signs of interest in Sakura, and zero signs of any real positive change toward his role in Team 7.  The only way I see him showing any interest in Sakura is if, now that he sees her strength and usefulness, he tries to manipulate her for the sake of his agenda.  But after the "if you mean it, kill Karin" episode, I don't see that working.

 

Regardless, like you said, this feel-good moment and spirit of collaboration won't last.  The Sauce has other plans.

This whole "Sasuke doenst have feelings for Sakura" it's just a pointless arguments, Sasuke is an unstable character, and it showed a lot of times on this manga, he changed his mind quickly, if he was capable of not hating the village anymore, wanting to become hokage and other nonsense why he cant has feelings for Sakura, even being an asspull and bad written, he can. Kishimoto was never been consistent with Sasuke's character only on the part where he always have to oppose Naruto on basically everything.

The point is stop using "Sasuke showed no sign of romance towards Sakura" and forget about the main point, having feelings or not doesnt erase all the bad things he did, doesnt change the fact he's a bad person and it's not the type of guy that Sakura deserves that was the message that Kishimoto showed couple of times during the whole part 2, lover-nin scene, Yamato hinting, Sai telling her about Naruto's feelings and her own confession.

 

And the whole Sasuke trying to manipulate Sakura is just so out of place, Sasuke does not play dirt and if he uses that it's because he then acknowledges that Naruto is stronger than him which is something he refuses.

Edited by Dαrkrєrsŧ, 31 May 2013 - 11:57 PM.

[Zatheko]

 

And really, this is where Kishimoto has been most consistent.  Sasuke has shown zero signs of interest in Sakura, and zero signs of any real positive change toward his role in Team 7.  The only way I see him showing any interest in Sakura is if, now that he sees her strength and usefulness, he tries to manipulate her for the sake of his agenda.  But after the "if you mean it, kill Karin" episode, I don't see that working.

 

Regardless, like you said, this feel-good moment and spirit of collaboration won't last.  The Sauce has other plans.

Another big thing about SS is that Sasuke as a character has never had any type of romance development at all, the whole story with Sasuke has always been a family one (Itachi) or rivalry (Naruto).

 

Anything "SS" related comes from Sakura and never once comes from Sasuke and I think Kishi does this for a reason, that romance is not supposed to play a part in Sasuke's story. Where as with Naruto's story we do have romance playing a part in his story, from his parents to all the  possible parallels with other pairings and the fact that NS has parts coming from both Naruto's and Sakura's side, something both SS and NH lack.

 

SS has always been Sakura to Sasuke and never Sasuke to Sakura, and the chances of that changing after 632 chapters is pretty low imo.

[Branden]

Sakura isn't a fangirl anymore....

Well we don't know that yet. The interaction so far make it seem like it could go either way. If we were all certain that she wasn't then nobody would be worried, it's the fact that a lot of people know it's still a threat that people are talking about it.

[Zatheko]

Well we don't know that yet. The interaction so far make it seem like it could go either way. If we were all certain that she wasn't then nobody would be worried, it's the fact that a lot of people know it's still a threat that people are talking about it.

There is just no way Kishi could do that to the heroine, seriously it would destroy ANY development she has had and also make people ignore her power up in order to bash her once again 

 

I just don't think Kishi is THAT bad of a writer.

[Branden]

There is just no way Kishi could do that to the heroine, seriously it would destroy ANY development she has had and also make people ignore her power up in order to bash her once again 

 

I just don't think Kishi is THAT bad of a writer.

well granted he's probably not going to make her seem as ridiculous as Karin, he might still make her have some form of romantic interest in him. if that's the case then that's still extremely damaging to her as a character. and to be honest, she probably does. we haven't had any indication that they've changed, only hints that they are going to. Maybe Kishi will just have her already be over Sasuke and see him as a friend now, but I doubt it.

[StriderC]

 

I agree.  There will be more.  Sakura's confused feelings will have to be addressed.  

But like I was saying (back on the #631 thread, I think), I can't see a plausible way for Kishimoto to further complicate or really drag out Sakura's confusion.  He has brought his characters and their interactions a long way, and it seems that Sakura has grown too much to realistically fall back to a fangirling state.  Sakura doesn't have to regress for the final pairing issues to have an exciting conclusion.  

And Kishimoto certainly didn't drag out NH the way he could have.  Instead he sunk it handily with a few panels in #631, by reinforcing what had already been shown in the story:  Naruto loves Sakura, Hinata's confession did not change his feelings, and his actions and motivation in #615 were platonic because his heart was and always had been elsewhere.

It's more complicated to resolve Sakura's feelings, but that doesn't mean Kishimoto will necessarily choose to belabor it.  Purely from a storytelling perspective, there's a lot he can (and probably will) do to continue moving Sakura beyond her feelings for Sasuke and toward Naruto without having to focus on it directly.  

It might be that instead of compounding the melodrama, Kishimoto will systematically give Sakura more reasons and awareness that Naruto is her true choice.  Who knows... we might get more panels like this:



As the manga draws to a close, there are a lot of plot points and character motivations to resolve that on the face of it don't have anything to do with Team 7 romance.  However, what Orochimaru does as well as how Hashirama v. Madara and Kakashi v. Obito play out will likely influence what happens with Naruto v. Sasuke, which in turn will influence Sakura's feelings for them.  

So yeah, there will be more pairing stuff to endure in the story, but I don't see it being a big vortex of angst -- except in the fandom, of course. x__X

 

 

And really, this is where Kishimoto has been most consistent.  Sasuke has shown zero signs of interest in Sakura, and zero signs of any real positive change toward his role in Team 7.  The only way I see him showing any interest in Sakura is if, now that he sees her strength and usefulness, he tries to manipulate her for the sake of his agenda.  But after the "if you mean it, kill Karin" episode, I don't see that working.

 

Regardless, like you said, this feel-good moment and spirit of collaboration won't last.  The Sauce has other plans.

He made it a point to have her respond pretty much like this when she was healing Hinata back in the Pain arc. Compare that reaction to the reaction Hinata made back during the Hug Scene. 

[StriderC]

Well we don't know that yet. The interaction so far make it seem like it could go either way. If we were all certain that she wasn't then nobody would be worried, it's the fact that a lot of people know it's still a threat that people are talking about it.

I'm actually not worried about it, and given how she's acted around him these two chapters, that pretty much shows her maturity IMO. 

 

In 631, she was shocked to see him, and even after finding out that he's gonna assist them, she still didn't overreact. She actually resolved to show that she's not the weak link in Team 7. This chapter, he and Naruto save her, and she doesn't overreact then. She doesn't fangirl over how cool he is and such. She simply says his name with a smile, and picks on Naruto for his comment. She's not gonna put Sasuke on a pedestal. What's hilarious to me is how antis feel she was fangirling over him this chapter when clearly that wasn't the case. What's more is that she was apparently ignoring Naruto. People will say anything to try to throw her in a bad light even if it's complete BS. 

[Zatheko]

well granted he's probably not going to make her seem as ridiculous as Karin, he might still make her have some form of romantic interest in him. if that's the case then that's still extremely damaging to her as a character. and to be honest, she probably does. we haven't had any indication that they've changed, only hints that they are going to. Maybe Kishi will just have her already be over Sasuke and see him as a friend now, but I doubt it.

Well I am expecting her to still hold some sort of feelings for him, otherwise there would be nothing left to resolve and I would have to sit here and wonder why NS isn't canon yet

 

But yeah, her feelings will have to be resolved, hell even if Kishi planned on doing SS they would still have to resolve everything between Sakura and Naruto and her confession. But I don't think SS is Kishis plan so I believe things will get resolved either during the end of the war or sometime after it.

[KnS]

This whole "Sasuke doenst have feelings for Sakura" it's just a pointless arguments, Sasuke is an unstable character, and it showed a lot of times on this manga, he changed his mind quickly, if he was capable of not hating the village anymore, wanting to become hokage and other nonsense why he cant has feelings for Sakura, even being an asspull and bad written, he can. Kishimoto was never been consistent with Sasuke's character only on the part where he always have to oppose Naruto on basically everything.

 

It seems to me you are confusing the different directions Sasuke has chosen to take -- which have changed several times -- with his principle motivation, which has never changed.

Sasuke has spent the entire story trying to fill the hole in his heart.  To find meaning in his brother's actions, in the death of his clan, and in his own purpose.  That's his principle motivation.  What he has been willing to do to find that meaning -- to fill the hole in his heart -- has indeed taken many forms.  But despite having multiple opportunities, indulging in romance with a girl, namely Sakura, has never been one of those forms.

There is not one panel in 632 chapters that shows Sasuke having any romantic interest in Sakura.  Not one.  So I'm sorry, but your presumptive claim that he could easily become unstable in this regard, or that Kishimoto is likely to be inconsistent with Sasuke's characterization in this regard, is impossible to substantiate based on the manga.

 

The point is stop using "Sasuke showed no sign of romance towards Sakura" and forget about the main point, having feelings or not doesnt erase all the bad things he did, doesnt change the fact he's a bad person and it's not the type of guy that Sakura deserves that was the message that Kishimoto showed couple of times during the whole part 2, lover-nin scene, Yamato hinting, Sai telling her about Naruto's feelings and her own confession.

 

I don't think anyone is forgetting this.  I'm certainly not. I was specifically addressing the statement made by Nate River -- that the biggest problem with SS was Sasuke, which includes his abject (and consistent) disinterest in Sakura as a romantic partner.

 

And the whole Sasuke trying to manipulate Sakura is just so out of place, Sasuke does not play dirt and if he uses that it's because he then acknowledges that Naruto is stronger than him which is something he refuses.

 

I don't see how you can say this.  Your own argument is that Sasuke is so unstable that he's capable of anything -- including suddenly falling in love with Sakura -- and yet you turn around and say that manipulating Sakura is "so out of place" and state definitively that Sasuke doesn't play dirty. 

 

Either Sasuke is stable enough to predict his behavior, or he's not.  You can't successfully argue that his characterization is too unstable to predict what he will do, but also say you can predict what he won't do.

 

Another big thing about SS is that Sasuke as a character has never had any type of romance development at all, the whole story with Sasuke has always been a family one (Itachi) or rivalry (Naruto).

 

Anything "SS" related comes from Sakura and never once comes from Sasuke and I think Kishi does this for a reason, that romance is not supposed to play a part in Sasuke's story. Where as with Naruto's story we do have romance playing a part in his story, from his parents to all the  possible parallels with other pairings and the fact that NS has parts coming from both Naruto's and Sakura's side, something both SS and NH lack.

 

SS has always been Sakura to Sasuke and never Sasuke to Sakura, and the chances of that changing after 632 chapters is pretty low imo.

 

I agree completely, and the bolded is really pretty much perfect as stated. 

Edited by KnS, 01 June 2013 - 12:50 AM.

[Branden]

I think the best thing Kishi could do is have there still be feelings there, but give us a really good reason as to WHY they are there.

[StriderC]

I think the best thing Kishi could do is have there still be feelings there, but give us a really good reason as to WHY they are there.

They're likely still there. 540? confirms this. I don't know if he'll provide the reason why they're still there. It'd be crazy if the Bench scene was brought up as a reason for why she's holding on to her feelings for him. That could of given her hope then.