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[Phantom_999]

 

I didn't mind the summoning animals that much. Toads, snakes, etc don't really mess up the ninja theme. But I agree, all those biju bomb spams, clumsy mecha battles, etc were just overdone. What really gets me were those susanoo samurai. As much as I hate the introduction of the susanoo, I was (kinda) fine with the original concept where it was skeletal or even that cloaked version with sword/bow (like Itachi's early version).

 

Then they grew legs, went 100 feet tall, grew paper mache wings and the user was suspended in a pentagon on their foreheads. It didn't even look intimidating. It looked wonky and hilarious. I can't help but laugh. 

 

And for Naruto, back when he was going to train to control the 9 tails, I thought he would just learn to tap into it's power without the harmful effects (like the peeling skin, life shortening, bodily damage etc). Maybe Kishi could have edited that skeletal Kyuubi mode a bit or even keep it entirely (beautiful design), but instead we got a glowy super saiyan fox. 

 

Whatever I'm rambling, jet lag is killing me. This sums it all up well 

 

 

Oh the summoning animals were not a problem in themselves, but they are not ninjaesque when they are taller than skyscrapers are they? you know where stealth is required? Remember that? Actual Ninja skills of infiltration, silent assassination, and espionage?

 

Actually my brother and I were having a discussion on this concept and he was saying "Why even call the characters ninjas at all? since when do ninjas where orange or red, or purple etc. that makes them stick out like a sore thumb when trying to camouflage? When did they actually do lintel gathering and spying?"

Edited by Phantom_999, 30 October 2017 - 05:37 PM.

[James S Cassidy]

Actually my brother and I were having a discussion on this concept and he was saying "Why even call the characters ninjas at all? since when do ninjas where orange or red, or purple etc. that makes them stick out like a sore thumb when trying to camouflage? When did they actually do lintel gathering and spying?"

Well, if you think about it that shows how much of a ninja they are. The fact that they can wear these outrageous outfits and still be able to hide in plain sight is actually the true test of a ninja. Then again, these ninja can turn themselves into tree stumps, make clones, even disguise themselves as other people...so the outfits are actually inconsequiential.

It's like asking, why can noone can figure out Clark Kent is Superman? He does such a good job hiding the fact with such miniscul changes that nobody can tell or they find it off as a mere coincidence. Even in real life, both Christopher Reeve and Henry Cavill dressed as both in real life and even in reali life people could not tell the difference. It is more than just putting on a disguise...it is making sure you don't stand out.

So if Naruto can wear a bright orange jumpsuit and still manage to hide in a crowd full of people...that kind of makes him one of the best ninja to ever exist. If anything I can say, dressing more like Ryu Hyabusa makes you even more obvious since it is not a normal outfit people would wear on a daily basis. Especially in the daytime.

Since ninjas are supposed to really work at night and blend in in the day, wearing a stereotypical ninja outfit in the daylight would not be a good idea.

[HalfDemonInuyasha]

 

I didn't mind the summoning animals that much. Toads, snakes, etc don't really mess up the ninja theme. But I agree, all those biju bomb spams, clumsy mecha battles, etc were just overdone. What really gets me were those susanoo samurai. As much as I hate the introduction of the susanoo, I was (kinda) fine with the original concept where it was skeletal or even that cloaked version with sword/bow (like Itachi's early version).

 

Then they grew legs, went 100 feet tall, grew paper mache wings and the user was suspended in a pentagon on their foreheads. It didn't even look intimidating. It looked wonky and hilarious. I can't help but laugh. 

 

And for Naruto, back when he was going to train to control the 9 tails, I thought he would just learn to tap into it's power without the harmful effects (like the peeling skin, life shortening, bodily damage etc). Maybe Kishi could have edited that skeletal Kyuubi mode a bit or even keep it entirely (beautiful design), but instead we got a glowy super saiyan fox. 

 

Whatever I'm rambling, jet lag is killing me. This sums it all up well 

 

In terms of Susano'o, they also made it seem like it was unique to Itachi because he was so strong and that, even afterwards, every Mangekyo Sharingan had their own unique abilities depending on the person......but then right after, nope, Susano'o is something EVERY Uchiha awakens once they awaken the power of each Mangekyo eye. Sasuke was literally handed a shortcut to that by Itachi somehow implanting his Mangekyo abilities into Sasuke,

It was all about shortcuts and Kishi seemed to write himself into a corner with them.

 

 

Oh the summoning animals were not a problem in themselves, but they are not ninjaesque when they are taller than skyscrapers are they? you know where stealth is required? Remember that? Actual Ninja skills of infiltration, silent assassination, and espionage?

 

Actually my brother and I were having a discussion on this concept and he was saying "Why even call the characters ninjas at all? since when do ninjas where orange or red, or purple etc. that makes them stick out like a sore thumb when trying to camouflage? When did they actually do lintel gathering and spying?"

Yeah, the smaller ones were fine because, like with Pakkun and such, they could be used for spying, scouting, sending messages, etc. without standing out too much (outside of wearing clothes and all for some reason).

Also, let's not forget the Chidori / Raikiri being called an "assassination technique" despite the stupidly bright light, loud noise, and so on, lol.

[Derock]

So if Naruto can wear a bright orange jumpsuit and still manage to hide in a crowd full of people...that kind of makes him one of the best ninja to ever exist. If anything I can say, dressing more like Ryu Hyabusa makes you even more obvious since it is not a normal outfit people would wear on a daily basis. Especially in the daytime.

Since ninjas are supposed to really work at night and blend in in the day, wearing a stereotypical ninja outfit in the daylight would not be a good idea.

 

Thing about that situation is that most of the ninja like Ryu Hayabusa, hell even Kasumi and Ayane from both Ninja Gaiden and Dead or Alive series, typically wear casual wear, other outfits or henge to blend in the crowd during missions until the time is right for them to reveal themselves.

 

Now if the series showed actual situations for the cast instead of competing with DBZ (not to mention worrying about Sasuke, Uchiha plots and sudden Hinata taking over the spotlight behind the scenes), we wouldn't discuss about camouflage and how to gather information for espionage purposes.

[Bryon_Konoha_Ninja]

 

Thing about that situation is that most of the ninja like Ryu Hayabusa, hell even Kasumi and Ayane from both Ninja Gaiden and Dead or Alive series, typically wear casual wear, other outfits or henge to blend in the crowd during missions until the time is right for them to reveal themselves.

 

Now if the series showed actual situations for the cast instead of competing with DBZ (not to mention worrying about Sasuke, Uchiha plots and sudden Hinata taking over the spotlight behind the scenes), we wouldn't discuss about camouflage and how to gather information for espionage purposes.

 

Yeah, I wish that Naruto had done stuff like that too. Even in the beginning, we saw more of a stealth feel going on for the cast before things went over the top. Honestly, I want to find that kind of balance of big action and also how ninjas "should" be in the long haul. And we also can't forget too that DOA and Ninja Gaiden also had over-the-top action going for it too, but it actually has some actually situations,a s you said.

[NaruSaku fan in Kentucky]

You know what's sad? Chris Farley on Beverly Hills Ninja is a better ninja than Naruto.

[James S Cassidy]

 

Thing about that situation is that most of the ninja like Ryu Hayabusa, hell even Kasumi and Ayane from both Ninja Gaiden and Dead or Alive series, typically wear casual wear, other outfits or henge to blend in the crowd during missions until the time is right for them to reveal themselves.

 

Now if the series showed actual situations for the cast instead of competing with DBZ (not to mention worrying about Sasuke, Uchiha plots and sudden Hinata taking over the spotlight behind the scenes), we wouldn't discuss about camouflage and how to gather information for espionage purposes.

Okay, but the one difference of Ryu Hyabusa and Naruto is that Ryu does not live in the world were being a ninja is the major profession of the world. The Shinobi in Naruto's world are as abundant as doctors and  Ryu lives in the world where the ninjas are actually secluded, actually hidden, and usually only fight the fights that not alot of people see. In Ryu's world, Ninjas are like the MIB, NSA, or something that is secret that takes out threats without anyone knowing the wiser.

Naruto on the other hand seemed to have schooling based around being a ninja. I mean, it seems like everybody is trained to be a ninja at first until they decide to choose a different profession like "weapon maker" or "Ramen stand." There really is no formal education other than being a ninja. Of course "ninja" in Naruto, seems to be more of a loose term to decribe people who use ninjutsu. Not just a special moniker of "someone who uses stealth to take out, create espionage, etc." They are the army, the navy, and even the airforce of the world for every nation not just the splinter cells and the spies.

They even congratulate based on this: "Oh you're a Shinobi? I knew you'd grow up to be a good one." It is such a casual thing that everyone knows that most of the people will choose to be a Shinobi. It is even more relevant when you realize that in Naruto's world they do less sneaking and more frontal assualts which is highly avoided by real shinobi unless absolutly necessary. So ninja or Shinobi is such a loose term in Naruto overall.

Still it leads to question can a ninja hide in a room, while wearing the usual (not casual wear) garb, without being noticed. That's the trick. Naruto has a bit of an advantage because using ninjustu he can actually hide as a peice of furniture, while Ryu doesn't. He has to rely on the actual tricks and trade to hide. It's not like Ryu has a backpack full of costumes to suit any situation he is in. What if he is in a brightly lite building and has to hide from being discovered? What does he do? Just throwing on a costume wouldn't hide him.

I think what would have Naruto different is not even if he wore different outfits, but rather the profession of "Shinobi" weren;t as wide spread. You can have these secret village police, but noone should really know about them and at best all you hear is rumors.

Hard to be a ninja when everyone is pratically a ninja and I mean everyone.

However, this even flows through another question is how did Sakura not know that Sasuke wasn't Sasuke in Chapter 3? If they are all ninja and they all know that you can disguise as someone else so easily in a casual sitaution and get away with it. Why didn't Sakura question chapter 3 in the first place wondering if that was really Sasuke or not? Obiviously, the personalities were different. He went from avoiding her to suddenly showing all kinds of affection and running away to take a dump? Doesn't sound like Sasuke to me. Not his usualy behavior.

To quote Kay from MIB

"There's always an Arquillian Battle Cruiser, or a Corillian Death Ray, or an intergalactic plague that is about to wipe out all life on this miserable little planet, and the only way these people can get on with their happy lives is that they DO NOT KNOW ABOUT IT!"

Ninja should be the same way.

 

 

 

Yeah, I wish that Naruto had done stuff like that too. Even in the beginning, we saw more of a stealth feel going on for the cast before things went over the top. Honestly, I want to find that kind of balance of big action and also how ninjas "should" be in the long haul. And we also can't forget too that DOA and Ninja Gaiden also had over-the-top action going for it too, but it actually has some actually situations,a s you said.

 

And you can do that if you also emphasis the point that in the end the general populas had no idea this was all going down or people thought it was something else.

The Men In Black offset this by having neuralizers to erase people's memories or make people blank out on it.

Edited by James S Cassidy, 31 October 2017 - 05:31 PM.

[HalfDemonInuyasha]

Okay, but the one difference of Ryu Hyabusa and Naruto is that Ryu does not live in the world were being a ninja is the major profession of the world. The Shinobi in Naruto's world are as abundant as doctors and  Ryu lives in the world where the ninjas are actually secluded, actually hidden, and usually only fight the fights that not alot of people see. In Ryu's world, Ninjas are like the MIB, NSA, or something that is secret that takes out threats without anyone knowing the wiser.

Naruto on the other hand seemed to have schooling based around being a ninja. I mean, it seems like everybody is trained to be a ninja at first until they decide to choose a different profession like "weapon maker" or "Ramen stand." There really is no formal education other than being a ninja. Of course "ninja" in Naruto, seems to be more of a loose term to decribe people who use ninjutsu. Not just a special moniker of "someone who uses stealth to take out, create espionage, etc." They are the army, the navy, and even the airforce of the world for every nation not just the splinter cells and the spies.

They even congratulate based on this: "Oh you're a Shinobi? I knew you'd grow up to be a good one." It is such a casual thing that everyone knows that most of the people will choose to be a Shinobi. It is even more relevant when you realize that in Naruto's world they do less sneaking and more frontal assualts which is highly avoided by real shinobi unless absolutly necessary. So ninja or Shinobi is such a loose term in Naruto overall.

Still it leads to question can a ninja hide in a room, while wearing the usual (not casual wear) garb, without being noticed. That's the trick. Naruto has a bit of an advantage because using ninjustu he can actually hide as a peice of furniture, while Ryu doesn't. He has to rely on the actual tricks and trade to hide. It's not like Ryu has a backpack full of costumes to suit any situation he is in. What if he is in a brightly lite building and has to hide from being discovered? What does he do? Just throwing on a costume wouldn't hide him.

I think what would have Naruto different is not even if he wore different outfits, but rather the profession of "Shinobi" weren;t as wide spread. You can have these secret village police, but noone should really know about them and at best all you hear is rumors.

Hard to be a ninja when everyone is pratically a ninja and I mean everyone.

However, this even flows through another question is how did Sakura not know that Sasuke wasn't Sasuke in Chapter 3? If they are all ninja and they all know that you can disguise as someone else so easily in a casual sitaution and get away with it. Why didn't Sakura question chapter 3 in the first place wondering if that was really Sasuke or not? Obiviously, the personalities were different. He went from avoiding her to suddenly showing all kinds of affection and running away to take a dump? Doesn't sound like Sasuke to me. Not his usualy behavior.

To quote Kay from MIB

"There's always an Arquillian Battle Cruiser, or a Corillian Death Ray, or an intergalactic plague that is about to wipe out all life on this miserable little planet, and the only way these people can get on with their happy lives is that they DO NOT KNOW ABOUT IT!"

Ninja should be the same way.

 

 

 

And you can do that if you also emphasis the point that in the end the general populas had no idea this was all going down or people thought it was something else.

The Men In Black offset this by having neuralizers to erase people's memories or make people blank out on it.

Even a giant one in the freaking Statue of Liberty to hit the whole city. XD

[DrK]

However, this even flows through another question is how did Sakura not know that Sasuke wasn't Sasuke in Chapter 3? If they are all ninja and they all know that you can disguise as someone else so easily in a casual sitaution and get away with it. Why didn't Sakura question chapter 3 in the first place wondering if that was really Sasuke or not? Obiviously, the personalities were different. He went from avoiding her to suddenly showing all kinds of affection and running away to take a dump? Doesn't sound like Sasuke to me. Not his usualy behavior.

You kind of get the sense that she was suspicious about it. She makes an awkward third person-second person shift at one point that kinda seems like she was thinking along those lines but wasn't sure. Also it's sort of established that Naruto is very good at that jutsu with his sexy transformation, so she would have had more reason to be suspicious. There's no way to know anymore, though.

[Bail o' Lies]

 The difference between Naruto's ninja, and other stories' use of ninja is; ninjas in Naruto are the military instead of a secret order.

You kind of get the sense that she was suspicious about it. She makes an awkward third person-second person shift at one point that kinda seems like she was thinking along those lines but wasn't sure. Also it's sort of established that Naruto is very good at that jutsu with his sexy transformation, so she would have had more reason to be suspicious. There's no way to know anymore, though.

Any suspicion of that not being Sasuke went out the window when Naruto complimented her forehead. She wanted it to be Sasuke who said it, so she ignored any hints that it wasn't.

Edited by Bail o' Lies, 01 November 2017 - 01:30 AM.

[DrK]

I think she was suspicious but she didn't want to be, yeah. She really wanted it to be him. Well said.

[My Living Curse]

However, this even flows through another question is how did Sakura not know that Sasuke wasn't Sasuke in Chapter 3? If they are all ninja and they all know that you can disguise as someone else so easily in a casual sitaution and get away with it. Why didn't Sakura question chapter 3 in the first place wondering if that was really Sasuke or not? Obiviously, the personalities were different. He went from avoiding her to suddenly showing all kinds of affection and running away to take a dump? Doesn't sound like Sasuke to me. Not his usualy behavior.

 

I'd agree with Bail, she wanted to believe it was Sasuke so she went with that. Now if years later (if the topic was brought up) she would've figured something was off,  and she could've understood that was Naruto in disguise. But again, that would require "clever & consistent storytelling". *cough* 

 

Also wish Naruto's transformation jutsu  went off just as they were about to kiss. The reaction on both their faces would've been great! 

[James S Cassidy]

 The difference between Naruto's ninja, and other stories' use of ninja is; ninjas in Naruto are the military instead of a secret order.

Any suspicion of that not being Sasuke went out the window when Naruto complimented her forehead. She wanted it to be Sasuke who said it, so she ignored any hints that it wasn't.

 

 

I'd agree with Bail, she wanted to believe it was Sasuke so she went with that. Now if years later (if the topic was brought up) she would've figured something was off,  and she could've understood that was Naruto in disguise. But again, that would require "clever & consistent storytelling". *cough* 

 

Also wish Naruto's transformation jutsu  went off just as they were about to kiss. The reaction on both their faces would've been great! 

My problem with it is is that even if for a long time Sakura never questioned it, how come it never gets brought up in conversation? Like ever?

This is one major faults of Kishimoto's writing especially when other topics he beat to death EXCEPT for this one. How convienient. It just shows at the core that Kishimoto maniupulated information rather than going a realistic path.

The whole bench scene is a massive catch-22.
We can say that this scene was what made SS in the first place and how it was what drawn Sakura to Sasuke at all, but come on Sakura, you mean to tell me that you never brought this up? For a scene that supposedly is the "bread and butter" of SS development, it never seems to make any matter unless you want to talk about how Sakura fell in love.

A realistic scenario would Sakura eventually bringing this up saying "Hey, remember the time you said my forehead was cute and you loved it? What happened to that boy then?" I have no doubt that Sasuke would be like "What are you talking about? I never met you at a bench when we were kids. The only time I remember such a thing was when I knocked you out and left. There was that time that Naruto locked my a closet though for whatever reason."

Like really? Of course, knowing that it was Naruto and not Sasuke would have made Sakura realize a truth that what she saw Sasuke as and what he really was are two different things. I mean, this scene has been so written out that Sakura doesn't even mention it to Salad as one of those "loving moments" because Salad probably would have persued this idea and brought it up to Sasuke when she met him. "Remember, when you kissed mom's forehead?"

This is the one question I would ask Kishimoto above all else...why wasn't chapter 3 reevalutated like all the other chapters were? Why did you completely skip over the fact that it was Naruto disguised as Sasuke and never have Sakura realize this? Don't you think that Sasuke rather sudden change in personality would raise some questions with people? Especially at how fast he flipped.

Chapter 3 is the best representation of the manga as a whole. On the surface it seems like everything is perfect, but in reality it is all one big fat lie.
 

[BlueStarSaber]

I think we also have to remember that naruto wasn't originally supposed to be about ninjas to begin with given how different the pilot chapter is from the manga.

[Bail o' Lies]

 

My problem with it is is that even if for a long time Sakura never questioned it, how come it never gets brought up in conversation? Like ever?

This is one major faults of Kishimoto's writing especially when other topics he beat to death EXCEPT for this one. How convienient. It just shows at the core that Kishimoto maniupulated information rather than going a realistic path.

The whole bench scene is a massive catch-22.
We can say that this scene was what made SS in the first place and how it was what drawn Sakura to Sasuke at all, but come on Sakura, you mean to tell me that you never brought this up? For a scene that supposedly is the "bread and butter" of SS development, it never seems to make any matter unless you want to talk about how Sakura fell in love.

A realistic scenario would Sakura eventually bringing this up saying "Hey, remember the time you said my forehead was cute and you loved it? What happened to that boy then?" I have no doubt that Sasuke would be like "What are you talking about? I never met you at a bench when we were kids. The only time I remember such a thing was when I knocked you out and left. There was that time that Naruto locked my a closet though for whatever reason."

Like really? Of course, knowing that it was Naruto and not Sasuke would have made Sakura realize a truth that what she saw Sasuke as and what he really was are two different things. I mean, this scene has been so written out that Sakura doesn't even mention it to Salad as one of those "loving moments" because Salad probably would have persued this idea and brought it up to Sasuke when she met him. "Remember, when you kissed mom's forehead?"

This is the one question I would ask Kishimoto above all else...why wasn't chapter 3 reevalutated like all the other chapters were? Why did you completely skip over the fact that it was Naruto disguised as Sasuke and never have Sakura realize this? Don't you think that Sasuke rather sudden change in personality would raise some questions with people? Especially at how fast he flipped.

Chapter 3 is the best representation of the manga as a whole. On the surface it seems like everything is perfect, but in reality it is all one big fat lie.
 

It was anytime Sakura was interacting with Sasuke she was thinking of that scene. It came full force when Sasuke was leaving the village she brought it up again but he remember he called her annoying not the words she wanted to hear. The bench scene was used again for the Salad episode if you recall.

 

The thing is Sakura and Sasuke rarely talk even after they got together. So a time to have that conversation never comes up, and Sasuke again wouldn't know what Sakura is talking about while she would thinks he is just being a tease.

[Bryon_Konoha_Ninja]

It was anytime Sakura was interacting with Sasuke she was thinking of that scene. It came full force when Sasuke was leaving the village she brought it up again but he remember he called her annoying not the words she wanted to hear. The bench scene was used again for the Salad episode if you recall.

 

The thing is Sakura and Sasuke rarely talk even after they got together. So a time to have that conversation never comes up, and Sasuke again wouldn't know what Sakura is talking about while she would thinks he is just being a tease.

 

Yeah, and even as smart as Sakura is, she always tended to come off as a dumbass when it came to being around Sasuke, given she only liked him because he was dark and moody and mysterious and "cool" and "handsome". Hmm... THAT SOUNDS A LOT LIKE HINATA LOVING NARUTO ONLY FOR HIS IDEALS AND NOT THE MAN HIMSELF!!!! XP

Edited by Bryon_Konoha_Ninja, 02 November 2017 - 04:37 PM.

[Bryon_Konoha_Ninja]

 

My problem with it is is that even if for a long time Sakura never questioned it, how come it never gets brought up in conversation? Like ever?

This is one major faults of Kishimoto's writing especially when other topics he beat to death EXCEPT for this one. How convienient. It just shows at the core that Kishimoto maniupulated information rather than going a realistic path.

The whole bench scene is a massive catch-22.
We can say that this scene was what made SS in the first place and how it was what drawn Sakura to Sasuke at all, but come on Sakura, you mean to tell me that you never brought this up? For a scene that supposedly is the "bread and butter" of SS development, it never seems to make any matter unless you want to talk about how Sakura fell in love.

A realistic scenario would Sakura eventually bringing this up saying "Hey, remember the time you said my forehead was cute and you loved it? What happened to that boy then?" I have no doubt that Sasuke would be like "What are you talking about? I never met you at a bench when we were kids. The only time I remember such a thing was when I knocked you out and left. There was that time that Naruto locked my a closet though for whatever reason."

Like really? Of course, knowing that it was Naruto and not Sasuke would have made Sakura realize a truth that what she saw Sasuke as and what he really was are two different things. I mean, this scene has been so written out that Sakura doesn't even mention it to Salad as one of those "loving moments" because Salad probably would have persued this idea and brought it up to Sasuke when she met him. "Remember, when you kissed mom's forehead?"

This is the one question I would ask Kishimoto above all else...why wasn't chapter 3 reevalutated like all the other chapters were? Why did you completely skip over the fact that it was Naruto disguised as Sasuke and never have Sakura realize this? Don't you think that Sasuke rather sudden change in personality would raise some questions with people? Especially at how fast he flipped.

Chapter 3 is the best representation of the manga as a whole. On the surface it seems like everything is perfect, but in reality it is all one big fat lie.
 

 

James S. Cassidy, once again, you prove to be the MVP of the H&E! Honestly, I know whatcha mean, and it is something in my kind of rewrite/AU for Naruto, The Demon Within, I have wanted to do a scene like that where Sakura talks to Sasuke like that, and that leads to the whole thing about him wondering what she is talking about, as well as venting some of his own true feelings toward Sakura and such, since there is a LOT that I had to try to fix in TDW's canon so that it could be more consistent with what was told in the past and such.

[DrK]

It would have been one of the first things she brought up, honestly, if it was an important moment for her. I think the intention in canon is that it wasn't and that everyone forgot about it.

[James S Cassidy]

It would have been one of the first things she brought up, honestly, if it was an important moment for her. I think the intention in canon is that it wasn't and that everyone forgot about it.

And that is why this is the catch-22

Either you say this scene is not important and cant be counted as SS development or you do count it and realize that the whole thing is one big fat lie and Sakura fell in love with a disguise and not the man himself.

Geez, iCarly did a better job at explaining this. "She is not in love with you....she is in love with what you did."

 

It was anytime Sakura was interacting with Sasuke she was thinking of that scene. It came full force when Sasuke was leaving the village she brought it up again but he remember he called her annoying not the words she wanted to hear. The bench scene was used again for the Salad episode if you recall.

 

The thing is Sakura and Sasuke rarely talk even after they got together. So a time to have that conversation never comes up, and Sasuke again wouldn't know what Sakura is talking about while she would thinks he is just being a tease.

 

Bold: Thinking of said scene and asking about it are two different things. If she thought about it, why did she never ask about it? Just like how "thinking" about supporting Naruto and openly supporting them are also two seperate things. If I think about killing someone, does that automatically make me a murderer? This reminds me of Minority Report if anyone has seen that movie.

As for the rest well, here is the things...Kishimoto has ample time to talk about the Uchiha Massacre several times over. He had them talk about other superficial things that in reality really had no time for and yet they spent all that time talking about it. So why not this? Do you think the Lover-nin that confessed his love for Sakura had time to do all this? So we can make time for stupid stuff, but not time for the important stuff....MY HOW CONVENIENT. You're so smart, Kishimoto. *sarcasm*

"Kishimoto can write whatever he wants." While people use this as a crutch to explain the ending, it is a two way street. Well, if he can write whatever he wants why didn't he have it so that Sasuke and Sakura made time for this conversation? Why didn't he have Hinata and Naruto have a conversation? Why couldn't he have written moments in time where they talk about ANYTHING that was important that in real life would have people talk and question. If anything this is another reason why these couples fail within itself....they have no time to talk to each other either because they don't want to or they don't care to. Especially if you make your own time scale in a story, you can have the characters talk in many different ways and still actually have enough time to take care an opposing threat. (Imagine if Goku wasn't given 9 days to train to fight Cell. At least this can be explained by Cell being extremely egotistical which can be a villain flaw, but it is a rather cliche flaw now. A true villain wouldn't wait. They would just destroy.)

Did Naruto just not have time to talk to Hinata until two years AFTER the war in Naruto the Last? What exactly was he doing? So, to me, this is not an excuse, but just one more cop-out. Again, more thing that proves Kishimoto is a bad writer.
 

 

 

 

James S. Cassidy, once again, you prove to be the MVP of the H&E! Honestly, I know whatcha mean, and it is something in my kind of rewrite/AU for Naruto, The Demon Within, I have wanted to do a scene like that where Sakura talks to Sasuke like that, and that leads to the whole thing about him wondering what she is talking about, as well as venting some of his own true feelings toward Sakura and such, since there is a LOT that I had to try to fix in TDW's canon so that it could be more consistent with what was told in the past and such.

Thanks.

It is such an important scene that is extremely overlooked for the sake convenience and not becuase "it was a design choice." This is why Miyazaki talks about hows these writers are making stories that are no longer relatable and realistic because they don't go out and see how people really react.

If it were to happen in real life. Sakura would at the LEAST being questioning everything. You can't tell me she wouldn't because of her "deam fantasy" and even if a person might do that for a while of living in a dream world...in reality somewhere life kickds them down and proves their ignorance. We can follow our dreams, yes, but most dreams..especially as children...do not and will not come true. So we learn to aim for more realistic outcomes.

Do people really think women are this blind that they fall in love with one "hot guy" and all of a sudden he falls in love with them without reason or logic? Yeah, sorry, that does not happen.

Analyzer, when you read this, I want to make clear that you were the one who said this story was realistic...well, realistically....SS wouldn't even happen. These "girl falling for the popular guy at school" more often than not never work out. In fact, I can't think of a real life example of it ever happening. Something would eventually give.

 

Edited by James S Cassidy, 02 November 2017 - 07:29 PM.

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And that is why this is the catch-22

Either you say this scene is not important and cant be counted as SS development or you do count it and realize that the whole thing is one big fat lie and Sakura fell in love with a disguise and not the man himself.

Geez, iCarly did a better job at explaining this. "She is not in love with you....she is in love with what you did."

 

Which reminds me. There was an interview between Kishimoto and Shonen Jump back in 2006. And one of the questions/responses was quite interesting.

 

Shonen Jump: Which of your three students would make the best ninja instructor?
Kishimoto (talking as Kakashi): I think it would be Sakura. She has flaws in her personality, like stalking Sasuke. But Sakura is the closest to being normal. Naruto is stupid, and Sasuke is not a teacher-type. He keeps to himself.

 

Interesting how things turn out in 2014 huh? Also another little tidbit from that same interview.

 

Shonen Jump: Sakura and Rock Lee don't appear to have any of the special powers that ninja like Naruto, Sasuke, or Gaara have---do you think those two characters are popular because they provide a kind of reader's-eye view of the story as it unfolds?
Kishimoto: Is Sakura popular in the U.S.? Well, Lee only has Taijutsu. And as a girl, Sakura is physically weaker than the others. So I can see why it's easy to empathize with them. They represent human weaknesses.