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#990780 The Great Naruto Discussion Thread

Posted by Bail o' Lies on 27 November 2023 - 01:31 AM

Live-action is currently on the works... oh boy.

Not just one but possibly two.

 

I think it was mentioned a few pages back...

 

Oh what do you know. Yesterday, they had another announcement about the Naruto movie.

 

So lets do both.

 

Lionsgate's Naruto Live action movie: From what I recall and suspect. This was part of the deal for Kishimoto to go along with the ending and the planned sequel, "Boruto." Kishimoto is a huge fan of Hollywood movies and probably enjoyed the idea of his story becoming a Hollywood movie. Problem is that the ending happened and Naruto fell from its lofty perch. Which moved it from being made to constant production & development.

 

Every Hollywood Movie Company has thousands of IPs that they own the movie rights to, but never plan to actually make an actual movie out of; they have those rights to make sure their competitors don't have them, so they can't make millions from that IP. Now of course, they would eventually lose their movie rights if they didn't do anything with them, especially if those rights were given by another company. So how do they make sure they keep the movie's rights? Simple, by having a movie in constant production/development. They do this by having a guild writer write a script for them. Then they have some low level exec read it. Then they store it. More likely that script may be use for another movie later on. Sometimes they even get a director in between jobs on board as well.

 

That was Naruto's Live Action Movie's fate for the past nine years. Every few years or so they get a writer to write a script for a Naruto movie to assure Shueisha they are working on it. Maybe a director if they really need convincing. Then store it once they stop asking questions. Citing difficulties of some kind as justification.

 

If that has changed recently, it is only because of Netflix's One Piece, not anything Naruto related.

 

Netflix's Naruto: Apparently at some point, they gave the right to a live action tv series to Netflix. Which they then gave to one of the writers of Witcher: Blood Origins. Now Netflix is far more willing to produce the stuff that they buy the rights to; so this may actually be released. And its up in the air, if it will be another One Piece, or one of their regular live action adaptations of an anime like their Cowboy Bebop live action adaptation. 

 

Again, this is due to the success of the Live Action One Piece; not anything Naruto related.




#990768 The NEW NaruSaku Debate Thread

Posted by Bail o' Lies on 25 November 2023 - 07:03 PM

https://twitter.com/...Myul-cYWNQ&s=19

 

"Idk why this is so funny, toneri basically told boruto that his mom was a second choice. Imagine if boruto asked how his parents got together, and Toneri said it was because of genjutsu."

 

                Toneri:" Back then, Naruto saw Sasuke, an elite student, as his rival, and seemed to have a crush on Sakura.

The, "seemed," means they are still trying to justify it by the Last. That Naruto wasn't really in love or didn't really have a crush on Sakura; only seemed to be because it just a part of his rivalry with Sasuke to go after the girl that Sasuke had feelings for.




#990752 The Great Naruto Discussion Thread

Posted by Bail o' Lies on 22 November 2023 - 08:26 PM

You really can't forget about me, can you? I never said anything like that. Since you quoted me months later, I will clarify some recent events for some delusional fans who are still mourning NaruSaku death after 9 years.

Oh you're back. Or were you never gone and just lurking without logging in, or worse you had friends lurking...Wait, I see you wanted to show off those rings, isn't that cute? 

 

Anyways. This was one of your big arguments. Just because you're not here doesn't mean when it finally released we can't talk about it, or your talking points.

I stated that they would disregard the Boruto manga storyline due to its poor quality and Ikemoto's inability to craft a compelling narrative or produce decent artwork. This has nothing to do with the canon couples.

 
The producers admited that:
 
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As you can see, they would rather create their own story instead of use Ikemoto story.

Well, I was going off gut feeling. Nice to know it was the case, and sad at the same time. Normally, a company would try to hide something this bad.

 

From what I recall you were hoping they were going to erase Ikemoto's story. That's kind of hard to do with a self deleting story.

 

Anyways I thought it was a bad sign that they weren't just adapting the story like they did for every other Naruto game they did. But instead doing their own filler story. Even then I thought they were still going to adapt Boruto. Instead they did Naruto's Greatest Hits.  He is not on the cover, instead 5 different Naruto, and for 3/4th of the game you are playing Naruto or Bolt playing a Naruto NPC. How is this suppose to promote and lure old fans in to Boruto when they do everything to hide him?

 

How is this good for the IP when they are doing everything they can to run from it?

- Instead of focusing on Boruto and Kawaki, they shifted their focus to Sasuke and Naruto.

- Rather than the Otsutsuki, they centered their attention on the Uchiha clan.
- Instead of the Karma power, they focused on the Sharingan.
- War and clans conflict instead of the aliens.
 
At this point they're just try to milk out the Uchihas and popular plots then tried to hide it by adding Boruto's character in the game.  

Weren't most people getting sick of the Uchiha's over focus years before the ending?

 

Again. Why is it a good thing for the companies to have to hide all that make up the Boruto's story? They want them to support Boruto without knowing anything that makes it up other than being a sequel to Naruto. In that case, why should they be continuing it? Again, if Boruto ends so do likely the pairings you like if not the whole franchise.

Despite your alleged popularity of NaruSaku, which led to a decline in the franchise's popularity due to fan backlash, the game producers remained oblivious and made no alterations to the canon couples. Instead of developing an alternative NaruSaku family, they introduced a New Team Special featuring Sasuke, Sakura, and Sarada. 

Well, I guess that is true from a certain point of view. If 99% of the customer base has left because they didn't like the ending, didn't like the change of pairing, or just didn't like the sequel lead the came from the change of pairings. So in a way removing NS can be the cause of their decline, but also going with nH/SS.

As you can see, Nanashi was just an Uchiha wearing a blonde wig instead of a NaruSaku daughter from another dimension. Let's hope that every blonde character introduced is a NaruSaku son.

Pretty sure Nanashi/Hikari was a girl not a boy, and her appearance was different because of a full body illusion not a wig. Don't worry it quite clear you don't notice or understand a lot of things. So, I don't blame you, for not noticing.

Also today is the official couples day in Japan.

They still are using the Canon Couples propaganda and ignoring NaruSaku.
 
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They released a pair of rings referencing and paying tribute to Sasuke and Sakura.
 
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A big japonese Japanese site conducted a popularity poll to find out which couple is the most popular of all mangas. Guess what? 
 
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1 - Sasuke/Sakura from Naruto
2 - Naruto/Hinata from Naruto
3 - Yoh/Anna from Shaman King.
4 -  Lloyd/Yol Forger from Spy X Family.
5   - Ichigo/Inoue from Bleach.
 
Everybody in Japan hates the canon couples and everybody misses NaruSaku.   :umm:
I really admire the anger and some desilusional NaruSaku fan theories  fans 9 years after the ending.
GoodBye.
 
Let's wait. Maybe in 2050, a NaruSaku son from another dimension will appear, or Kishimoto will express regret for his canon couples decision, stating that he lost his wife based  Sakura to Sasuke due to the influence of the evil editors and Hinata fans.

Ah your running or back to lurking now again.

 

Guess these are what brought you back because you thought they were wins, and are leaving before they become losses, again.

 

1. Part one of Boruto ended selling under 100,000, and was likely ordered to rush to its ending due to low sales.

 

2. The SS manga barely managed to get half that, and who knows for the other one.

 

3. The Boruto anime is on hiatus and still hasn't come back.

 

4. There was suppose to be a four episode special of Naruto that keeps delaying itself due to fear of low views.

 

5.  No new movies, despite all it contemporaries making tens if not hundreds of millions hand over fist with those now a days.

 

Now we are waiting for the sales data on both: Part Two to see if it was able to gain a following, and a game with a self deleting story. And you show up with some cheap ring, and some random poll without any data on either?




#990717 The NEW NaruSaku Debate Thread

Posted by Bail o' Lies on 01 November 2023 - 02:51 AM

Which is further galling and hypocritical since a major reason that they created Ultimate Spider-Man was because they were convinced Peter was more "relatable" when he was a highschool kid without any serious romantic relationships.

The reason they keep putting Peter Parker in Highschool over and over again is because they want him to be the young web-slinging web-head with no responsibilities, fighting bad guys while constantly quipping, selling pictures of himself to the Daily Bugle for pocket change, and getting with model hot high-school girls the writer always dreamed of. With Great Power comes Great Fun and Zero Responsibility, to them. Also despite the fact, I think, Peter graduated from High-School in issue 15 of his story and his most of the famous events are actually him in college.

 

He is only allowed to be older in Into the Spiderverse and those Sony games is because they want him to be a Mentor to Miles Morales. So, they can eventually replace Peter with Miles. Ah, apparently Insomniac/Sony games have already declared they are doing so.




#990715 The NEW NaruSaku Debate Thread

Posted by Bail o' Lies on 31 October 2023 - 06:00 AM

Honestly if they kept going with what nick Spencer did I'd see more people reading those comics. Granted they are rebooting ultimate spiderman under John Hickman telling a new adult spiderman I hear discribed of being like Peter B. Parker from spiderverse.

They have no interest in continuing with Mary Jane and Peter Parker together in the comics. Remember, Nick Spincer did that to recover after the 'Captain America is a Nazi' story flopped. Once his rep was restored, he left, and they broke them up again. Marvel Comics has no interest in having those two together in their comics; outside of a temporary last resort.

 

PPxMJ happen outside of comics because their relationship existing is casual fans knowledge. So it not being there would negatively affect sales. The comic's creators don't think that because they know the comic fans will buy no matter what because the fans are convinced they must keep buying the comic issues in the hope their purchase will magically convince the writers and editors to put them back together. 

 

No I'm talking about at least for over a decade, since games games like the last of us came out and were mega popular. I wouldn't really say that with every comicbook movie, as directors such as James gunn, josh weadon and the russo brothers I recall were comicbook fans.

From everything I have read and heard from one piece fans and youtubers nothing implies they would of done another Cowboy Bebop and that the showrunner is a passionate fan of one piece and wouldn't do anything without oda's approval. Nintendo and Mario I have no idea about, all I recall is that you had the anti woke crowd acusing it of being a feminist movie with how princess peach was portrayed in the trailer only to u-turn when the film turned out to be really popular.

You think books with pictures with link comics or managa would be at least somewhat appealing since they do have visual images to look at. Not to mention you can read a chapter like naruto in a few minutes.

Cowboy Bebop was not their first live action adaptation of an anime Netflix did, just the last one before One Piece. They are generally all the same. The difference for One Piece was the mangaka was an executive producer and he ordered reshoot when the adapters were up to their usual antics.

 

I'm not much of a Nintendo fan, so I'm sure I didn't make many post about Mario movie and especially about Princess Peach in it. As for people don't liking Woke movies. People have been burned so often by bad products that call them a bigot for even expressing even the mildest criticisms. It is only natural to express caution towards sequels and remakes. Go in expecting it to be bad, enjoy it if its good, worry if the sequel will fall off. Better than the fan desperately holding on to hope the companies and writers that hold them in contempt will finally listen.

 

Comics problem is they are so minor in the cultural landscape only a small amount of nerds read them. Manga is more popular and read. But again, people will defer to the anime adaptation because even with pictures they are too lazy. 




#990706 The NEW NaruSaku Debate Thread

Posted by Bail o' Lies on 26 October 2023 - 06:29 AM

I've tend to notice that with books like lord of the rings, game of thrones and Harry potter. Comics people are ethier more aware of the movies or cartoons depending on the era they grew up in and get suprised when the adaptions of comics are a mix of different stories rather than a full on adaption, though comics continuity would make it more impossible to ever full adapt stories unless their are elseworld stories. Though games have started to become as big of a medium.

My guess is because they are more accessible to watch and consume, especially with streaming services in recent years. Another reason which came from a youtuber called lily orchards who did a video on making fun of J.k.rowling, during which mentioned that due to the education system making reading more like a chore for kids, becoming less fun making it into assignments of highly revied books by adults. With some only getting back into reading when a fun book at the time like Harry potter came along.

So I wouldn't be suprised if many of the anime only watchers would view the 700 hundred chapters chore to read, even though the anime became worse than that due to filler.

Video games surpassed comics about 20 years ago, the fact that comics have been in decline since the 90's not helping them, and they surpassed Movies in profits almost ten years ago. Though that went unnoticed due to the stranglehold films have over western culture. Granted, I am assuming you are thinking games are only recently getting big due the things like, the success of the Sonic and Mario movies and such.

 

Comics despite the fact they were holding up Hollywood for the past decade, are not respected. Their stories are not respected. Their writers are not respected. Their art is not respected. Hollywood does not respect anyone but themselves. For comics, they see it as a pathetic boy hobby they want to turn into a girl hobby, since they assume the boys will just accept it, and see their fans as losers that they can milk for money. People at Marvel have made it clear they prefer to hire "fans" not fans. They see people that have actually read the comics as a red flag, and don't hire them. They want people who will do whatever they want with the IP; then use the 'bigot shield' when it backfires. Over actually making an adaptation.

 

Remember, the only reason the One Piece Live Action turned out the way it did was Oda was an executive producer and force them to follow his story. If not, the "fan" writers and "fan" directors would have made another Live Action Cowboy Bebop. Same with the Mario movie, before Nintendo intervened it was going to be another mess and then they step in.

 

As for schools making reading a chore for the students. It not a problem that they make students read for assignments the problem is that is likely the only time they ever read if at all. Hell, when I went to college, I knew a girl that never even read a single line of Shakespeare before a class we took together; because apparently the schools in California just gave them power-point outlines of the books and stories that were required reading. Harry Potter was often the only book they ever read for enjoyment; if they read them and not just said they did while only watching the movies. Which is why millennials obsess over it.

 

Watching something on TV is often a passive way of absorbing a story. Books require active absorption as you have to imagine what happening in your mind about what you are reading. One of the reasons storytelling quality has gone down in the West is because they stopped reading. Another is, they know if they play the virtue signaling game, they will be given a pass; so they don't put the work in.




#990703 Naruto: Alternative The Last (Doujinshi)

Posted by Bail o' Lies on 24 October 2023 - 09:38 PM

Also they would need to come up with the story. Before they were just copying-pasting the movie in their own art style with a few tweaks here and there. If they are doing something original why trying to keep with the movie. That takes time to figure out.

 

Which is why I would have preferred they did their own story instead of doing the Last movie. Since the last is built around making Hinata the heroine and love interest.




#990697 The NEW NaruSaku Debate Thread

Posted by Bail o' Lies on 23 October 2023 - 08:48 PM

I mean if you see what happens in dragon quest the character who's similar to sakura does move on

Who? Are we suppose to know which dragon quest character you are referring to by instinct?

 

With all the craziness that we had  to deal with regarding the NH and SS fans (and still do, with less intensity), we can easily forget that they are NH and SS fans out there that are chill and can see reasons.

 

Some fans can enjoy the idea outside the canon reality (like fanfiction) and hate the canon, some can accept that the writing was kitten but accept the rest and some, while not agreeing with everything, can admit that NS (with SK) was the most logical pairing(s) that would affect the story a lot better for the majority of the main characters and also, would have a much better flow with the story in general. 

 

 I have a friend that was shipping NH and I told her, read the integrality of the manga vs watching the anime and you know what, she did and said that it did make a lot more senses to have NS as canon and understood now a lot better my points. She even said that while she was no longer a fan of the series, that with all what she compared, she would have probably change from NH to NS for sure.

 

Hell, when starting watching the anime, I was a NH shipper (not an hardcore one though just enjoyed it a little) but as soon as I started reading the manga, I switched instantly on NS. With that point in mind, I totally get why, only anime fans (mostly the westerns fans), ship hard NH because right from the very beginning (at least, with the fillers episodes between the first part and shippuden), SP was bias with Hinata. 

The anime had a lot of filler promoting Hinata because the staff was obsessed with her. It is why they ended Naruto marrying Hinata because that was their end goal all along. Without the anime, Hinata is a character that's barely involved in the story and barely interacts with Naruto despite professing love for him. With it, while she still isn't involved in the story that often, she is constantly by Naruto side, and constantly thinking about how much she loves him.

 

Most Western fans seem to hate reading anything, and prefer just to watch a tv/movie/anime and accept that as canon. I lost count of the people I have met that say they love an adaptation, that they love as well as care so much about the story, that they wish to learn more about it, but will never read the source material. Saying excuses like they want to watch all the show first before they read the book, so they won't get spoiled. Then they never read the book. Even if they do, they hold the adaptation over the source material, and will differ to that when inconsistencies happen.




#990645 The Great Naruto Discussion Thread

Posted by Bail o' Lies on 28 September 2023 - 07:24 AM

interesting the description says naruto's been in love with her since the academy. This must come as a shock to certain fans that are in denial

It is not like they are going to read it, and if they do; they will just complain on twitter. If they don't just assume its a mistranslation.

 

Most Japanese fans have either gone, "well Kishimoto must have planned it but it doesn't mean its worth a watch," or, "it was a decision made to appeal to the gaijins' market so this isn't even made for us." So it isn't that big a deal for them to go, "yeah Sakura was the love interest and heroine till the ending happened." Though to be honest, even in the State your not going to fine many who care, because Naruto hasn't been that big in over a decade and most haven't watched Boruto. It the ones that do care and will have a hissy fit that have to be appeased.

 

As for anything related to Naruto's family life after the ending compared to Kishimoto. NS was likely to be happy, since it would be based on the hope he could finally spend time with his family. nH is based on the reality his wife is upset he sold out and the selling out back fired so he has to work on fixing what his selling out has caused. SS is what it is because Sasuke on some level symbolizes his brother and he doesn't like the idea of his twin brother sleeping with his wife; so he wants it loveless with Sasuke as far away from Sakura as possible.




#990622 The Great Naruto Discussion Thread

Posted by Bail o' Lies on 23 September 2023 - 05:24 PM

It's funny that Naruto is only series I know of that actually did that. There could be more but yeah we see now the disastrous consequences of changing plot trajectory especially last second. Granted there was so much else wrong with the War arc and it could have been done better and I attribute it to Kishimoto being wishy washy about the concept of war and giving unnecessary drama to characters he wasn't focusing on anyway with bringing back the dead on both sides etc. etc. Granted there were good and bad moments admittedly on that plot point but it was still mostly unnecessary though in the grand scheme of things. Ninjas just have to deal with death and lack of closure even with their loved ones sometimes. And even if it is, there are other ways to do it besides resurrection. Again that is just my opinion on it.

In theory the war arc should have been the final trial for the cast before the final battle. But. A big problem with the war arc is that there were so little focus on the side cast beforehand that there wasn't much reason to care about their own little battles.

 

For example. Why should you care about Hinata's father facing off against his Brother if they haven't been referenced since the chunin exam?

 

You also had character he just introduce like Darui who your suppose to care about.

 

Also this is where Naruto really went into auto pilot as Ninja Messiah as Kishimoto all but completely stop having Naruto be questioned.

 

Then he did something I have never seen done before and after he did it you know why with bringing the army to the final battle. As they turned out useless and just stood around as slack jawed lemmings.

 

Editor sometime are helpful to the story. It is clear in Akane Banashi that the editor has a lot of influence as it is very similar to another manga he edited Act-Age. While making sure to deal with any problems that lead to that manga's downfall.




#990619 The Great Naruto Discussion Thread

Posted by Bail o' Lies on 22 September 2023 - 09:14 AM

I never understood why Kishimoto was the only mangaka who couldn't get the romantic pairing he wanted, despite others in the same circumstances having succeeded. Kubo is the best example of this: Bleach was on the same studio as Naruto, and the fans wanted the protagonist to end up with someone else, but Kubo went with the pairing he wanted even though it went against the wishes of most fans.

 
I thought about the reason and noticed that, between the years 2000 and 2010, female characters in shoujo who had pink hair or a transformation that turned their hair pink usually ended up with a black-haired character. The best examples of this are Tokyo Mew Mew and Shugo Chara!, both of which aired on TV Tokyo.
 
I remembered that TV Tokyo changed the pairing dynamic of Blue Dragon, which in the game was practically a retelling of Naruto-Sakura-Sasuke, with hints of a Naruto and Sakura pairing. In the anime, the protagonist got a Hinata 2.0, the rival ended up with a random girl, and the heroine ended up with a Sai-like character who appeared in the second half. I have a feeling that if TV Tokyo did Slam Dunk, they would put Haruko with Rukawa and we wouldn't have the Haruko and Hanamichi wedding poster. And if they did a Kingdom Hearts adaptation, Kairi would end up with Riku.

Editors often try to get their writers to change something so it makes it feel like they had a part in the story. Most Mangaka just ignore any demand to change the pairings. Kishimoto was surrounded by people (anime staff, editors, and assistants) that were supporters of Hinata, and Hinata was "perceived to be" popular in the most important market for the series, The US. That pressure made Kishimoto yield and became an example to mangaka after why they should never do something like that to a vital part of their story.

 

In case it wasn't clear even from the get go, the entire series is an after thought in an attempt to squeeze out more money out of the franchise with Kishi showing no emotional investment in it's writing even before it started. Even the initial writer I feel did not want to do it as more than as a jumpstart to his career as a manga author if not artist at the same time before he does his own work. you don't feel any passion in the series even at its highest points. but that may be just me since I don't read it but I just read the summaries and obviously I don't glean anything from that alone but the summaries don't feel appealing enough compel me to read it either

That is quite accurate, reading it or their interviews you get the feeling that neither of them really wanted to work on Boruto. They saw it was an easy way to boost themselves, so they could do their own stories after working on Boruto for a couple of years. O course the backlash destroyed Naruto and they were required to do more than they were willing to make it successful, so instead it has damaged their prospects.

 

Kodiachi was just some random writer Shueisha had that did light novels for them. He did one of the post-endings Naruto novel and probably agree to be its writer, because Ikemoto didn't think he could handle the writing aspect, as well as working with the anime staff to keep the manga and anime consistent. He probably help form Boruto because he had his own issues with living in the shadow of his respected professor of a father. He also probably was the one behind Amando/Madoc, Clone Jiraiya, and probably was the one ensuring that Sarada was involved in each arc. He did not take the decreasing financial support from the company like not having an editor after a certain point well. So his attitude caused him to lose his job.

 

Ikemoto was Kishimoto assistant for 15 years; he did the backgrounds. He was the one that agreed to take over the sequel so Kishi didn't have to do it. I suspect he is at least partially responsible for the ending; as he probably convinced Kishi to go with what he thought was popular. So he can have the most successful and easiest position. Of course it backfired. Kawaki/Nail is his character. He is obsessed with making the story what he perceives to be cool while not really putting in much effort. From I understand he has gain a rep as a lazy uncreative tracing hack that seems very very fond of young girls. 

 

What I disagree with you on is that TV Tokyo was collaborating with Studio Pierrot to have that happen, not that Studio Pierrot has nothing to do with it.  What happened to Blue Dragon is purely SP's initiative, because as they've shown us throughout Naruto/Boruto's run, they have established a notable precedent of bias when it comes to their depiction of assertive women vs non-confrontational, big-boobed fanservice. With Blue Dragon,  they did more than rewrite the romantic dynamic of Kluke and Shu's relationship, they completely altered Kluke's character into a tsundere for no apparent reason and made her a healer instead of an offensive magic caster as she is the original canon of the games.  Whereas with Bouquet, aside from her being an anime-original character created by Pierrot for fanservice and to be nothing but an obsessive love interest for Shu, her ability literally revolved around her getting butt-naked and then later on, she got the power to transform into whatever she sees (including a version of Kluke with a larger bust, which is SP's infantile way of saying "Shu doesn't need the real Kluke since our OC can become a better/sexier version of her if she wants to") and copy any Shadow power that she wants. You even have the villains of the series constantly commenting on how hot she was during the series' run. In other words, she was a complete Mary Sue.

 

Then you got Twin Star Exorcist, where they made Mayura (the soft-spoken, big-boobed childhood friend of Rokuro, the male protagonist) seem more important in the anime than she actually was in the manga, and even tried to suggest that Rokuro had feelings for her when he's completely oblivious to her and primarily focused on Benio in the source material.   They even mildly attempted this in Black Clover's anime adaptation at first before they were shut down by Tabata, who's one of the few Japanese creators to openly confront and criticize any changes to an adaptation on social media.

 

Point that I'm making is that this is all SP's prerogative, where they take liberties to facilitate their own barely concealed fetishes when it comes to female characters.

They apparently did the same thing with Tokyo Ghoul. And damaged the story so bad that the mangaka had to reset the manga with a part two to try again, which they again screwed up that anime's part two, and then the mangaka had beg people to see the live action movie to show his story was good.

 

SP is the ones doing it as they are the ones making the anime that go against the manga's story. Tv Tokyo are the distributors their crime is only not putting their foot down and stopping it.




#990583 The Great Naruto Discussion Thread

Posted by Bail o' Lies on 10 September 2023 - 07:17 PM

Kishimoto should no longer work on the Naruto franchise if he is not going to create characters that he likes. Just look at the Minato one-shot, which is basically a Kushina story. He probably doesn't want to work with Sasuke and Sakura, and Naruto and Hinata, because they traumatized him while he was writing. So, he should leave it to these light novel writers who make these official fanfics of these couples and use his name to sell. Boruto is a different case, because he only lends his name, while his assistant and Pierrot make money, while he should be enjoying life with his family. After all, the best of his assistants, who made Rock Lee SD and Samurai 8, are not even in Boruto.

 

Saruto is the name that fans gave to a supposed son of Boruto and Sarada. It is a joke that many fans made when they discovered that the name of Naruto's son is Boruto. So, they said that the son of Boruto would be Saruto.

The oneshot was a MK story and was the result of how that poll turned out; Minato in first and Sakura in third. Giving him both confidence and range to do what he wanted.

 

Samurai 8 was him as the writer and one of his assistance as the artist, it flopped.

 

The SD if they are still ongoing, can only really be successful if the main story is popular enough to support a tongue and cheek parody.

 

Boruto, he is either an advisor or a writer going along with what Ikemoto wants. 

 

I would say Kishimoto is more bitter than traumatized about how his characters turned out. He knew it was a bad idea but 6 or so years from people around him pushing for it, convinced him to do it, and everything that has happened since then has shown that to been the worse choice he could have made for his manga. He also can't do anything about it, even if he wanted to or had the will, till the sequel is over.

 

The light novels? Judging by the two manga adaptation of two of the light novels, keeping Kishi would be better. One was a poorly plotted fanfic with creepy implications and the other was a dull as dish water.




#990564 The Great Naruto Discussion Thread

Posted by Bail o' Lies on 06 September 2023 - 05:21 PM

Thanks for the info  :happy:

 

For the One Piece live action, I'm not a fan but I did watch all episodes and I must admit that I enjoy it a lot. It does show that the people that worked on it were dedicated to pull out something great and it did show in the end!

 

As for the Naruto love adaptation, seriously, while it is still an early stage, I can't help but to wish it never comes to light but if it does, knowing that such person, that did bad on previous works, might do the same for Naruto live action, help to calm my overall hate that another project about Naruto might be produced.

 

I doubt they are hoping to make it another Dragon Ball Evolution just to motivate Kishimoto to come back as again, they are trying to make products to bring money into the franchise, hoping for it to be bad just to bring back the author's motivation would be pretty stupid, even for them. At the very least, that the live action is being produced or not, that it is successful or not, they might try to convince him so that he can do another one shot like he did with Minato since it turned out successful, in terms of the number of people reading it. It would be interesting to see how much the Minato sell, compared to other Naruto/Boruto product since it was an actual project done by Kishimoto, something that wasn't the case in a long time (even with Samourai 8 that was cancelled in 2020?).

From what I understand originally the script was a standard Netflix adaptation ie absolutely nothing like One Piece beyond some characters names and clearly just chosen for the license in order to get some interest. Then Oda became an executive producer and order them to follow his manga story. Then after they finish shooting he order reshoots because they still were trying to change things to make it more "Woke." If Oda hadn't gotten involved it would have become another Cowboy Bebop Netfilx live adaptation.

 

Oda is friends with Kishimoto so he would probably give him a warning of be involved so they don't do 'that' but how much Kishi will follow that advice is who knows.

 

The fact that they are putting a writer with basically no experience kind of shows how much they are putting into this. And that Hollywood strike is still going on from what I understand. The movie has been in production hell since the ending. So this show may suffer the same fate. But this is Netflix -most likely- and they have been pushing out poor quality anime live adaptations.

 

Oh I was making a joke and mocking how this is likely going to be bad. Since, look what happens with most of Netflix anime live action adaptations; as well as what happened to the Witcher, the only writing credit the writer really has to their name.




#990554 The Great Naruto Discussion Thread

Posted by Bail o' Lies on 05 September 2023 - 04:12 AM

They didn't delay it to improve quality; it was just a marketing move because they didn't want to share the spotlight with the One Piece Live Action, the Shibuya Arc of JJK, and the final episodes of Bleach.

 

Those who live in countries where Saint Seiya was popular will understand what I'm about to say. Saint Seiya was the most popular anime in several countries, more popular than Dragon Ball for a while. However, at a certain point, it lost popularity, and Dragon Ball solidified itself as the most popular, with even Yu Yu Hakusho surpassing it. What I believe will happen with Naruto is that it will lose popularity in Western countries to One Piece, which will eventually become much more popular. Over time, Naruto will be forgotten, primarily due to the way Jump handles the franchise

They already likely know that the audience may have move on. That's why they are doing that 4 episode anime to check. The companies want to find out how well Naruto still sells. The anime staff delaying it just so they don't have to share the 'spotlight' (and see how bad there viewership is) will not please them.




#990527 The Great Naruto Discussion Thread

Posted by Bail o' Lies on 27 August 2023 - 12:42 AM

You know, after watching some older films, I think Naruto suffers from a God complex.

 

One part of it is this, and it fits Naruto so well.

 

The person is highly dogmatic in their views, meaning the person speaks of their personal opinions as though they were unquestionably correct

Its a side effect of Naruto's morals not being questioned nor explored.

 

In theory, Naruto's morality is suppose to be similar to the audiences. The ninja world indoctrinates everyone into seeing themselves as disposable weapons; conditioning them to accept as well as even commit immoral acts. He was such a bad student that he wasn't indoctrinated like the rest; so kept a proper moral compass. That is similar to the author's or at least what he thinks his customers would agree with. However, since Kishi thought everyone would agree with Naruto that meant that he felt Naruto shouldn't be questioned...or didn't realize that it should if for nothing else to help flesh out the story.

 

Which leads to scenes that can be summed up as:

 

Naruto: X is wrong.

 

Other Character: Well, I think-

 

Naruto: Shut up and just agree with me that X is wrong.

 

Then the story make it so Naruto is correct about whatever X was.