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#30281 Bail o' Lies

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Posted 30 May 2022 - 12:47 AM

Its important to remember that both Dragonball and Naruto have different...perceptions in the US and Japan due to how they were released.

 

For Naruto, part one was the only part shown on primetime so most opinions and views come from part one. For Dragonball, we saw Z first so when talking and thinking about Dragonball or what Dragonball is we are talking often about Dragonball z. The fact fans in the US saw these first or only saw these parts at all makes them raise them as more important than the other parts of the story.

 

The Japanese saw Part One and Two of Naruto and DragonBall then Z. They are regular shows and don't have this weird perception we have in the US.

 

Oh here is a bit of hearsay I heard recently. Dragonball Super actually did have problems attracting Japanese kids attention. Now James and others would say it because they made Goku goofy and Dragon Ball should be serious one-hundred percent of the time. Apparently, it had problem because of lack of teamwork and team battles. They don't like the fact that most of the cast is useless and just stands around. So, to fix that they started having Vegeta and Goku fight together and had the tournament of power be about a team. The reason Japanese kids care about that? They all watched My Hero Academy and similar shows. 


Edited by Bail o' Lies, 30 May 2022 - 04:02 AM.


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Posted 30 May 2022 - 02:09 AM

Its important to remember that both Dragonball and Naruto have different...perceptions in the US and Japan due to how they were released.

 

For Naruto, part one was the only part shown on primetime so most opinions and views come from part one. For Dragonball, we saw Z first so when talking and thinking about Dragonball or what Dragonball is we are talking often about Dragonball z. The fact fans in the US saw these first or only saw these parts at all makes them raise them as more important than the other parts of the story.

 

The Japanese saw Part One and Two of Naruto and DragonBall then Z. They are regular shows and don't have this weird perception we have in the US.

 

Oh here is a bit of hearsay I heard recently. Dragonball Super actually did have problems attracting Japanese kids attention. Now James an others would say it because they made Goku goofy and Dragon Ball should be serious one-hundred percent of the time. Apparently, it had problem because of lack of teamwork and team battles. They don't like the fact that most of the cast is useless and just stands around. So, to fix that they started having Vegeta and Goku fight together and had the tournament of power be about a team. The reason Japanese kids care about that? They all watched My Hero Academy and similar shows. 

 

That’s interesting. I could see that being true. It definitely that a issue long running shounen series run into. As from the constants power-up, those power-ups usually are distributed evenly, which results in the supporting cast struggling to remain relevant. 



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Posted 30 May 2022 - 02:58 AM

 

That’s interesting. I could see that being true. It definitely that a issue long running shounen series run into. As from the constants power-up, those power-ups usually are distributed evenly, which results in the supporting cast struggling to remain relevant. 

 

No kidding, Nate, and Dragon Ball Z had that major problem too once Goku and Vegeta hit Super Saiyan, and how it sometimes was too. Hell, even Piccolo got a power boost when he and Kami fused together as one to make him whole, leaving him initially the only one capable of fighting 17 and 18, as well as Cell before he began to absorb all those humans, but everyone else outside of them got screwed. Gohan still remained pretty powerful when he gained his Mystic state in the Buu Saga, plus Goten and Trunks being able to go Super Saiyan at a young age due to their dads being Super Saiyans when they were conceived as well as going Super Saiyan 3 as Gotenks, it just does leave to problems.

 

Naruto had that same problem going for it too, especially as it came to Kishi bring an imbalance initially in the start of Part 2/Shippuden with how Sasuke overwhelmed Naruto, Sakura, Sai, and Yamato, and yet he wasn't as strong as he seemed since he needed to wait for Orochimaru to be weak to be able to "beat" him, and even then, he nearly died against Deidara, which makes me think about if things were even really conceived in that department.

At least in some series like My Hero Academia and Demon Slayer, power-ups seem to work for everyone, and many fights can tend to not just be about the protagonists only. Even Izuku, with his recent power-ups in MHA, still can't do everything alone since he almost exhausted himself from fear and panic because he felt he had to do everything alone, which was the one weakness his predecessors sometimes had, and in Demon Slayer, when it came to fights like with the Upper Moons, Tanjiro and Nezuko also had help from either Zenitsu and Inosuke as well as a Hashira or two in addition to other friends/allies, and it came down to having to work together to be able to win.

 

While I like shonen series, it does get tough when it comes to not thinking out things with the rest of the cast too, which Naruto suffered from especially later on, and how I feel too it also ties to lack of development in some areas, which is one thing I want to try to really work on in my fanfic, though I haven't touched it in a bit because I got a basic idea of what I want to do, it's just putting it to Notepad that's tough, and the pandemic hasn't helped my creativity juices too much, but this was a thing even before then, especially with how sour and toxic the Naruto community as a whole can sometimes get. It isn't a lack of courage, it's just the concern of getting attacked for something like this.



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Posted 30 May 2022 - 03:07 PM

 Now James and others would say it because they made Goku goofy and Dragon Ball should be serious one-hundred percent of the time. Apparently, it had problem because of lack of teamwork and team battles. They don't like the fact that most of the cast is useless and just stands around. So, to fix that they started having Vegeta and Goku fight together and had the tournament of power be about a team. The reason Japanese kids care about that? They all watched My Hero Academy and similar shows. 

Wrong. Goku being goofy and well, being a huge dumba** is only my personal gripe with Goku himself especially whenever someone tries to have him fight other characters. Basically, Jotaro Kujo could beat Goku by out smarting him. This is where Dragonball kind of has a "I got a bigger number" kind of logic. (ironic that they say in the series that numbers mean nothing, but this has been going on since dragonball.)

No, my original idea was because of power scaling and how some characters can go from being so weak that bullets can hurt them to being able to take on a SSJ god or something or vice versa
Here are some examples. 

Master Roshi: This dude went from being unable to beat Tien to being able to beat some characters that are as strong as Radditz.  (Doesn't seem like that far of jump, but considering where we came from in Dragonball. This is a massive jump.) How? I think the anime said that Master Roshi was "hiding his training," but the manga has no reason. They even questioned how he got so strong. 

Then we have Tien who I know for a fact had the WORST episode in the Super Torunament of Gods: This dude is treated worse than Gohan.
The dude basically trains harder than Goku and now he is weaker than Roshi. How do we know this? Because a girl named Yurin (yes her names means piss) used witchcraft to take control of Roshi and he beat the crap out of Tien. Not sure if the Talisman increased a person energy output, but it never specified and Roshi just manhandles him. 

Tien used to have so many abilities and even in Super they started giving credit to Krillian for his abilities. Solar Flare was Tien's move. 

That was the biggest issue I felt and Goku...his power fluxes too. It is hard for me to believe he is "more powerful than multiple universes," but then struggles with every fight. I have some people say that characters like Jiren only lost due to plot convenience and nothing earned.


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Posted 06 June 2022 - 05:49 PM

Honestly, YTV had Dragonball the first arc of Dragonball on when I was a kid and I loved that show. When I first learned about Z through Fox Kids airing the Saiyan arc, I didn't know who any of the other characters from Dragonball were, and the fact it killed off characters made me think worse of it. As a child, I thought it was edgelord stuff, even before I had ever heard that term. Then I started developing the same criticisms of the series a lot of people have years later when the Namek/Cell arcs finally came over.

 

I like Dragonball, I don't like Z anywhere near as much (but love TFS's version).


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Posted 17 June 2022 - 11:44 PM

Just found this:

 

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I can't ... I just can't ... :lmao: :lmao: :lmao:
 

Guess it is confirmed now. "Boruto" really is an AU :twitch:


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#30287 Bail o' Lies

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Posted 18 June 2022 - 12:49 AM

Just found this:

 

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I can't ... I just can't ... :lmao: :lmao: :lmao:
 

Guess it is confirmed now. "Boruto" really is an AU :twitch:

...I assume Hinata is lying to make Cups feel welcome. Which goes to show how easily she can bold face lie about something.

 

Wasn't Orochimaru one of the few characters you could say Naruto actually hated and wanted dead particularly for the whole Sasuke business? Of course, that went away with his insane total forgiveness policy. 


Edited by Bail o' Lies, 18 June 2022 - 12:58 AM.


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Posted 18 June 2022 - 02:37 AM

Just found this:

 

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I can't ... I just can't ... :lmao: :lmao: :lmao:
 

Guess it is confirmed now. "Boruto" really is an AU :twitch:

Those are fake subs, but it might as well be true considering Naruto handed out no punishments for Orochimaru and allowed him to continue working as he pleased.

 

It's a thing the fandom likes to ignore since there is no legitimate explanation that can be made why Orochimaru shouldn't be in prison.


 


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Posted 18 June 2022 - 01:30 PM

Those are fake subs, but it might as well be true considering Naruto handed out no punishments for Orochimaru and allowed him to continue working as he pleased.

 

It's a thing the fandom likes to ignore since there is no legitimate explanation that can be made why Orochimaru shouldn't be in prison.

Or his former henchman running an orphanage. 



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Posted 18 June 2022 - 02:24 PM

Just found this:

 

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I can't ... I just can't ... :lmao: :lmao: :lmao:
 

Guess it is confirmed now. "Boruto" really is an AU :twitch:

That's like saying Batman and Joker were good friends.


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Posted 18 June 2022 - 04:34 PM

Or his former henchman running an orphanage.


Which is still creepy AF even with Kabuto finding himself again thanks to Itachi's Genjutsu

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Posted 18 June 2022 - 05:08 PM

Just found this:

 

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I can't ... I just can't ... :lmao: :lmao: :lmao:
 

Guess it is confirmed now. "Boruto" really is an AU :twitch:

Me to the Boruto manga


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#30293 Bryon_Konoha_Ninja

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Posted 18 June 2022 - 07:04 PM

Me to the Boruto manga


Well said, James, and s*** like this is why many of us have said Boruto is either an AU or a result of the Infinite Tsukuyomi succeeding on Naruto and the rest of Team 7.

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Posted 18 June 2022 - 08:33 PM

Just found this:

 

3e7ef6edec7cda2798959861696baf6fffd4e425

 

I can't ... I just can't ... :lmao: :lmao: :lmao:
 

Guess it is confirmed now. "Boruto" really is an AU :twitch:

 

I prefer to call it retcon. But what else is new? they had a time travel arc showing Hinata "politely" telling Sakura off for "abusing" Naruto, so I'm not even putting it past them to BS something like this, since "Naruto loves everyone" the story says. That aside, once again I feel nothing but indifference to these changes because it's not like I m investing any of my time or emotional involvement with this series anymore. Also, never forget, Boruto is not even catering to long time fans. it's for kids that were not even born yet or too young to remember when Naruto was being published/running on air. 


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Posted 18 June 2022 - 10:02 PM

Those are fake subs, but it might as well be true considering Naruto handed out no punishments for Orochimaru and allowed him to continue working as he pleased.

 

It's a thing the fandom likes to ignore since there is no legitimate explanation that can be made why Orochimaru shouldn't be in prison.

Oh, ok. But well ... it is quite telling that I considered this to be a real thing.
Criminals do have a big plot armor in Naruto after all, an Anime about Love and Justice :wot:

 

 

I prefer to call it retcon. But what else is new? they had a time travel arc showing Hinata "politely" telling Sakura off for "abusing" Naruto

 

Its kida funny on how hard they still try to trash the relationship between Naruto and Sakura. They were set up for each other, everybody knew it.

 

 

it's for kids that were not even born yet or too young to remember when Naruto was being published/running on air.

 

The typical cash cow.


Edited by lupina, 18 June 2022 - 10:10 PM.

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Posted 19 June 2022 - 12:40 PM

Naruto and Sakura's current relationship really can not sink any lower yet they still want to kick it down a few notches more. What's ironic about it is again, the audience they are focusing on couldn't care less; be it the new gen of kids they are catering Boruto to or the long time fans that don't give a kitten and turned of their brain to the implications for mindless entertainment.


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Posted 19 June 2022 - 12:53 PM

That's like saying Batman and Joker were good friends.

or superman and darkseid or sora and xenhanort



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Posted 20 June 2022 - 12:27 AM

or superman and darkseid or sora and xenhanort


Spider-Man and Green Goblin

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Posted 20 June 2022 - 06:22 PM

Spider-Man and Green Goblin


Well, as long as it's Normon Osborne Green Goblin and not Harry Osborne Green Goblin. Otherwise, they WOULD have been good friends. XD


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Posted 20 June 2022 - 10:19 PM

Which is still creepy AF even with Kabuto finding himself again thanks to Itachi's Genjutsu

Izanami was the stupidest jutsu in the series. 







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