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[Nefertieh]

That depends. Is Sasuke truly good or fully good, not half (due to his attitude for trying to be Hokage)? Will he stay good until the very end of the war? If Sasuke is a-ok throughout, which seems a bit unlikely thanks to Juugo, then yeah, he can confess, but not now of course.

I think he's not "fully" good, because now he's essentially still a threat. Instead of destroying the village, he wants to control it. But as Naruto remembered, a leader is chosen by the people, not the other way around.

And once again, Sasuke will become an enemy.

In the meantime however, Kishimoto could use this opportunity to develop narusaku. I don't think Naruto will confess at this point in the story, but wouldn't it be nice if he did?

[TheLazyJew]

I think he's not "fully" good, because now he's essentially still a threat. Instead of destroying the village, he wants to control it. But as Naruto remembered, a leader is chosen by the people, not the other way around.

And once again, Sasuke will become an enemy.

In the meantime however, Kishimoto could use this opportunity to develop narusaku. I don't think Naruto will confess at this point in the story, but wouldn't it be nice if he did?

 

I agree. It doesn't make any sense to me or the story that Sasuke suddenly is completely good. I mean the whole story has been Naruto trying to bring Sasuke back. Most, if not all, the fans have been waiting for this epic battle and it would be a shame if it never happens. I've been thinking about "the series ending", but is it truely ending. Yeah we have the end for Madara and the truth about the Tailed beasts, but I don't think its ending because we still have the chance that Naruto and Sasuke will fight on epic battle( it better not be for hokage kitten either >.<)

[Nefertieh]

 
I agree. It doesn't make any sense to me or the story that Sasuke suddenly is completely good. I mean the whole story has been Naruto trying to bring Sasuke back. Most, if not all, the fans have been waiting for this epic battle and it would be a shame if it never happens. I've been thinking about "the series ending", but is it truely ending. Yeah we have the end for Madara and the truth about the Tailed beasts, but I don't think its ending because we still have the chance that Naruto and Sasuke will fight on epic battle( it better not be for hokage bullsh** either >.<)

I'm guessing it will be mainly about the whole ninja system, and also the main themes of manga, such as truly understanding your enemies.

Well, I guess you can say that's the point that she needs to learn for herself. I believe James or someone else made a FF8 reference where the girl thought she's in love, but turns out it was more sibling relationship. So how can Sakura figure it out? Well, that's what we are waiting for. As for Naruto, knowing the past hints, yeah, you get the idea what is it.

Ah, Quistis. I remember some fans thought it was shoddy writing for her to suddenly give up on her feelings for Squall, simply because the game was all about Rinoa. It was just too... Convenient.

I think Sakura will forever love Sasuke as a friend/ idol, but she'll never have a relationship with him. He doesn't want to open up to her, and she won't be able to live a life where she has to oppress her own hotheaded personality.

[TouKen4Life3g]

I think he's not "fully" good, because now he's essentially still a threat. Instead of destroying the village, he wants to control it. But as Naruto remembered, a leader is chosen by the people, not the other way around.

And once again, Sasuke will become an enemy.

In the meantime however, Kishimoto could use this opportunity to develop narusaku. I don't think Naruto will confess at this point in the story, but wouldn't it be nice if he did?

Well, I don't know if we get any pairing related stuff in here and when I say that, I mean from both side, if not Sakura deciding on her feelings, but who knows. I think that could wait for now since now it's about Team 7 working together. It's just how long is the question for them.

Ah, Quistis. I remember some fans thought it was shoddy writing for her to suddenly give up on her feelings for Squall, simply because the game was all about Rinoa. It was just too... Convenient.

I think Sakura will forever love Sasuke as a friend/ idol, but she'll never have a relationship with him. He doesn't want to open up to her, and she won't be able to live a life where she has to oppress her own hotheaded personality.

Of course. That's what Naruto wants at least for Sakura. Acknowledge Sasuke's existence, not remove him because he's evil. That's what Naruto got mad that she's letting it go altogether. Naruto wants her to love Sasuke but to be in love with Sakura. That way, it's perfect and no one is pitied.

[Nefertieh]

Well, I don't know if we get any pairing related stuff in here and when I say that, I mean from both side, if not Sakura deciding on her feelings, but who knows. I think that could wait for now since now it's about Team 7 working together. It's just how long is the question for them.

Oh I agree, I want to see my bbs being happy. :') If I was to give a timeframe for my "Naruto's confession" non-theory, I would say it would be after the war, but before Sasuke goes down another dark path.

Of course. That's what Naruto wants at least for Sakura. Acknowledge Sasuke's existence, not remove him because he's evil. That's what Naruto got mad that she's letting it go altogether. Naruto wants her to love Sasuke but to be in love with Sakura. That way, it's perfect and no one is pitied.

Yeah, but I think Naruto was also upset that Sakura was hiding the fact that everyone agreed to kill Sasuke.

The anime team have already concluded that Naruto seems to think he'll be content with Sakura never loving him. I think this couldn't be more false; he does want her to love him. Saving Sasuke is not about him giving up on Sakura, and in that same sense, if Sakura wasn't in the picture, he wouldn't just give up on saving his best friend. One of the things the confession cleared up was that Naruto isn't torturing himself and putting the entire ninja world in danger because of his promise to a girl.

Edited by Nefertieh, 01 June 2013 - 05:59 PM.

[TouKen4Life3g]

Oh I agree, I want to see my bbs being happy. :') If I was to give a timeframe for my "Naruto's confession" non-theory, I would say it would be after the war, but before Sasuke goes down another dark path.


Yeah, but I think Naruto was also upset that Sakura was hiding the fact that everyone agreed to kill Sasuke.

The anime team have already concluded that Naruto seems to think he'll be content with Sakura never loving him. I think this couldn't be more false; he does want her to love him. Saving Sasuke is not about him giving up on Sakura.

Well, I think the anime is just trying to say that she means a world to him and he will confess but now it's not the right time. If he wins, he will be outstandingly happy. If it never come, he will still love her, so long she's happy, hence the parallel with him and Jiraiya. That said well it could be their fault for not adding some parts that make his love completely unstoppable or our fault to try to find a loophole. Basically, see it how they see it.

[FrenchMyToast]

The anime team have already concluded that Naruto seems to think he'll be content with Sakura never loving him. I think this couldn't be more false; he does want her to love him. Saving Sasuke is not about him giving up on Sakura, and in that same sense, if Sakura wasn't in the picture, he wouldn't just give up on saving his best friend. One of the things the confession cleared up was that Naruto isn't torturing himself and putting the entire ninja world in danger because of his promise to a girl.

 

Many people still think Naruto's love for Sakura is just a crush, but I wouldn't blame the anime team. They did make a whole episode where he basically described his love for Sakura in vivid detail (235). I think this can all be traced back to the fact that most (or just a lot of) people who read Naruto take everything at face value. Yes, it's equally bad to over-analyze things, but if you don't take time to look "underneath the underneath," foreshadowed events will occur in the manga and you'll be taken completely off guard. 

 

Need proof? Just look at the fans' response to Sakura's character and the her confession to Naruto. Both are absolutely loathed by many fans. Lots of Sakura-bashers think that just because she doesn't have OP abilities (although she may have one now), she's "weak" and "useless." They fail to realize that the whole purpose of her character is to be portray a normal person that you can relate to, in an otherwise foreign world. I highly doubt any of us have had our families massacred by our siblings, or were orphans scorned by the entire neighborhood. We are supposed to connect with Sakura...not hate her. 

 

Then we have the confession. To me, it's the most controversial scene is all of Naruto. Anti-Sakura/NS fans are quick to tell you that she is a liar and that she only confessed to hurt Naruto, and that just hurts my head.   I'm not going to share my thoughts on it because other people on this forum can explain how she was being truthful much better than me, but Kishimoto flat out told us that she was being honest. Heck, he even had Sai tell us her true intentions. All they got from the confession was that Sakura can only love Sasuke and she likes to put Naruto in pain. It seems like whenever Sakura/a topic that requires some extra thought is presented, people always assume the worst. 

 

So basically, just because Naruto hasn't yelled out to the world that he loves Sakura (which Hinata and Sakura have done), his feelings are automatically weak and easier to move on from. It's a shame really. Everything Naruto has done because of his love deserves to be celebrated, not glossed over because of 615. 

Edited by FrenchMyToast, 02 June 2013 - 12:28 AM.

[Cherry-Bloss93]

Many people still think Naruto's love for Sakura is just a crush, but I wouldn't blame the anime team. They did make a whole episode where he basically described his love for Sakura in vivid detail (235). I think this can all be traced back to the fact that most (or just a lot of) people who read Naruto take everything at face value. Yes, it's equally bad to over-analyze things, but if you don't take time to look "underneath the underneath," foreshadowed events will occur in the manga and you'll be taken completely off guard. 
 
Need proof? Just look at the fans' response to Sakura's character and the her confession to Naruto. Both are absolutely loathed by many fans. Lots of Sakura-bashers think that just because she doesn't have OP abilities (although she may have one now), she's "weak" and "useless." They fail to realize that the whole purpose of her character is to be portray a normal person that you can relate to, in an otherwise foreign world. I highly doubt any of us have had our families massacred by our siblings, or were orphans scorned by the entire neighborhood. We are supposed to connect with Sakura...not hate her. 
 
Then we have the confession. To me, it's the most controversial scene is all of Naruto. Anti-Sakura/NS fans are quick to tell you that she is a liar and that she only confessed to hurt Naruto, and that just hurts my head.   I'm not going to share my thoughts on it because other people on this forum can explain how she was being truthful much better than me, but Kishimoto flat out told us that she was being honest. Heck, he even had Sai tell us her true intentions. All they got from the confession was that Sakura can only love Sasuke and she likes to put Naruto in pain. It seems like whenever Sakura/a topic that requires some extra thought is presented, people always assume the worst. 
 
So basically, just because Naruto hasn't yelled out to the world that he loves Sakura (which Hinata and Sakura have done), his feelings are automatically weak and easier to move on from. It's a shame really. Everything Naruto has done because of his love deserves to be celebrated, not glossed over because of 615. 

^This.

Awesome post!

[TheLazyJew]

 

Many people still think Naruto's love for Sakura is just a crush, but I wouldn't blame the anime team. They did make a whole episode where he basically described his love for Sakura in vivid detail (235). I think this can all be traced back to the fact that most (or just a lot of) people who read Naruto take everything at face value. Yes, it's equally bad to over-analyze things, but if you don't take time to look "underneath the underneath," foreshadowed events will occur in the manga and you'll be taken completely off guard. 

 

Need proof? Just look at the fans' response to Sakura's character and the her confession to Naruto. Both are absolutely loathed by many fans. Lots of Sakura-bashers think that just because she doesn't have OP abilities (although she may have one now), she's "weak" and "useless." They fail to realize that the whole purpose of her character is to be portray a normal person that you can relate to, in an otherwise foreign world. I highly doubt any of us have had our families massacred by our siblings, or were orphans scorned by the entire neighborhood. We are supposed to connect with Sakura...not hate her. 

 

Then we have the confession. To me, it's the most controversial scene is all of Naruto. Anti-Sakura/NS fans are quick to tell you that she is a liar and that she only confessed to hurt Naruto, and that just hurts my head.   I'm not going to share my thoughts on it because other people on this forum can explain how she was being truthful much better than me, but Kishimoto flat out told us that she was being honest. Heck, he even had Sai tell us her true intentions. All they got from the confession was that Sakura can only love Sasuke and she likes to put Naruto in pain. It seems like whenever Sakura/a topic that requires some extra thought is presented, people always assume the worst. 

 

So basically, just because Naruto hasn't yelled out to the world that he loves Sakura (which Hinata and Sakura have done), his feelings are automatically weak and easier to move on from. It's a shame really. Everything Naruto has done because of his love deserves to be celebrated, not glossed over because of 615. 

 Can we get a source to this Kishimoto stuff, not because I don't believe you I just want to read the entire thing.

[FrenchMyToast]

^This.

Awesome post!

 

Thanks! 

 Can we get a source to this Kishimoto stuff, not because I don't believe you I just want to read the entire thing.

 

I'll try to find a link and post it here. But he said something along the lines of "wanting to portray an honest woman." I think...I'll find it. 

 

Edit: It was from the Jump Festa 2010 interview. http://www.ailevadis...sta-2010-a.html

Edited by FrenchMyToast, 02 June 2013 - 01:39 AM.

[bthug]

Kiss on the forehead or on the lips?

[TouKen4Life3g]

I think if he can't do the lip kiss (please say it so), then forehead kiss will be the closest to go. You can have both but I think the forehead kiss must happen before the finale as in final battle happens.

[TheLazyJew]

I honestly don't think there will be any more "moments" throughout the final battle because its time for them to get serious. Even though some "extremists" are probably going to find a sentence and say its a moment. To me the pairing moments will come either directly after the battle or in an epilogue chapter. 

 

I would love to see an epilogue chapter that instead of showing the ships, the children are shown. Theres only a few things that I can see going really bad with that.

 

1) Lets say they show a child with blonde hair, but don't show the face immediately....Knowing the crazy fandom we have, I can see the NaruHina fans going "IT MUST BE THE OFFSPRING OF NARUHINA" (Even though all the other pairs that are blondes could be there offspring)

 

2) They show the face of a child and all the shipps fight over whose child it is.

 

So either way theres going to be a lot of ruckas when Naruto comes to a close.

 

Now what would be interesting to me is to see if  Naruto and Sasukes fight actually end up with them both being dead or will Sakura jump in the middle again. 

[TouKen4Life3g]

I think Kishi ruined NH. It's too late to make seem relevant. But yeah I understand what you mean.

[FrenchMyToast]

I think Kishi ruined NH. It's too late to make seem relevant. But yeah I understand what you mean.

 

NH has really taken a back seat since 615. It looks like that hand-holding was just a way for Kishi to wrap up that pairing. I guess he'll finish off the Juubi before we see any more serious pairing related scenes. Although it's still going to be hard to handle because too many SS fans think that Sasuke acknowledging Sakura = Sasuke falling in love with Sakura. 

[TouKen4Life3g]

 
NH has really taken a back seat since 615. It looks like that hand-holding was just a way for Kishi to wrap up that pairing. I guess he'll finish off the Juubi before we see any more serious pairing related scenes. Although it's still going to be hard to handle because too many SS fans think that Sasuke acknowledging Sakura = Sasuke falling in love with Sakura. 

Honestly, I don't think there's any need for Hinata anymore. She seems fine on her own with backing up Kiba and all. She's done as you can get. Quite frankly, if a moment that resembles similar to Pain arc, then no need for closure.

[kidNinja]

 

NH has really taken a back seat since 615. It looks like that hand-holding was just a way for Kishi to wrap up that pairing. I guess he'll finish off the Juubi before we see any more serious pairing related scenes. Although it's still going to be hard to handle because too many SS fans think that Sasuke acknowledging Sakura = Sasuke falling in love with Sakura. 

 

We survived the 3-week NH barrage in the aftermath of 615. (Even NH fans have acknowledged this hence why they call us zombies lol) We can get through this Juubi business with no problem.

Kiss on the forehead or on the lips?

 

I WANT the lips.

 

I EXPECT the forehead.

 

Try this on for size.

 

N: Sakura you have a wide charming forehead blah blah blah

 

*Kisses forehead*

 

Sakura says nothing but pulls him in for a kiss on the lips.

 

^Would Kishi go that far? Only time will tell.

[FrenchMyToast]

 

We survived the 3-week NH barrage in the aftermath of 615. (Even NH fans have acknowledged this hence why they call us zombies lol) We can get through this Juubi business with no problem.

 

I WANT the lips.

 

I EXPECT the forehead.

 

Try this on for size.

 

N: Sakura you have a wide charming forehead blah blah blah

 

*Kisses forehead*

 

Sakura says nothing but pulls him in for a kiss on the lips.

 

^Would Kishi go that far? Only time will tell.

 

True. But still, those three weeks were anything but pleasant.  The problem with SS is that of the three major ships in Naruto, it is probably the one with the lowest chance of becoming canon, so every small interaction gets blown out of proportion. Yeah, people on all sides (including NS of course) over analyze things, but people thought that Sasuke smirking at Sakura in the latest chapter meant "I was always in love with you and I want you to have my babies..."  I guess maybe we were spoiled with so much development? That's probably why I don't think every panel with both Naruto and Sakura is a NS moment. But whatever... SS fans deserve some moments I suppose. They really haven't had any in like... 400 chapters. 

 

Also, I'm betting we get a forehead kiss at best. I have a few reasons why...

1. It's the most intimate form of contact we've been shown. Maybe this is Kishi's limit when it comes to showing us romance. Plus, NS is a subtle pairing...it's not as "black-and-white" as NH or SS, so I guess a forehead kiss would be fitting. 

2. This one is obvious. Sakura was always insecure about her forehead, and Naruto was the first (and only?) one to compliment it. It was also one of their first few interactions, so a kiss would allow their relationship to come full circle. 

 

But if we do get a lip kiss, it'll probably be like the kiss in Fairy Tail where we see their lips, but right as they actually kiss we zoom out to only see their silhouettes and the sunset. I dunno, there are a lot of possibilities.

Edited by FrenchMyToast, 02 June 2013 - 05:25 AM.

[TouKen4Life3g]

 

True. But still, those three weeks were anything but pleasant.  The problem with SS is that of the three major ships in Naruto, it is probably the one with the lowest chance of becoming canon, so every small interaction gets blown out of proportion. Yeah, people on all sides (including NS of course) over analyze things, but people thought that Sasuke smirking at Sakura in the latest chapter meant "I was always in love with you and I want you to have my babies..."  I guess maybe we were spoiled with so much development? That's probably why I don't think every panel with both Naruto and Sakura is a NS moment. But whatever... SS fans deserve some moments I suppose. They really haven't had any in like... 400 chapters. 

 

Also, I'm betting we get a forehead kiss at best. I have a few reasons why...

1. It's the most intimate form of contact we've been shown. Maybe this is Kishi's limit when it comes to showing us romance. Plus, NS is a subtle pairing...it's not as "black-and-white" as NH or SS, so I guess a forehead kiss would be fitting. 

2. This one is obvious. Sakura was always insecure about her forehead, and Naruto was the first (and only?) one to compliment it. It was also one of their first few interactions, so a kiss would allow their relationship to come full circle. 

 

But if we do get a lip kiss, it'll probably be like the kiss in Fairy Tail where we see their lips, but right as they actually kiss we zoom out to only see their silhouettes and the sunset. I dunno, there are a lot of possibilities.

I can see where you coming from. It's true that we don't see all of NS moments as romance developments/hints, but you got to admit, we got a lot of them, especially in part 2. For example, let's say Yamato tells Sakura about the importance of support for Naruto is feelings. Ok, that's a good friendship developments. However, he then proceed to say, "Hah. Sakura, I can tell just by looking at you. In reality, you--". That's not needed but something a strong hint. So strong, her background became white with leaves. No doubt it was going for something strong. That's one of the examples on why we have more rights to judge it as romantic developments/hints. Yes, other fandoms have the same rights, but the problem is that they have not gotten one. NH keeps falling flat because Naruto stops at friendship zone, while SS is stuck in bottom due to Sasuke's lack of reaction that says something about potential love. So yes, NS has too much in comparison. Honestly, I wouldn't be surprised this is the plan all this time.

[Beastbomb]

I dont see why Kishi wouldn't allow a visible kiss. He di it with Sasuke and Naruto, why not show one between Sakura and Naruto.

Edited by Beastbomb, 02 June 2013 - 05:49 AM.