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[BlueStarSaber]

Some of those trials could invole death to help them grow, like I said hiashi for neji and hinata or guy for Lee.

[Nostradamus]

I meant who should have died in the war in genreal, not only among the k11

 

None.

Unless I would go for some specific storyline or outcome.       

Why do you want to kill them so much?

I think you need some deaths in for some suspence otherwise the conflict wouldn't look threatening. Heck it could even just be some recurring minor characters like those minor leaf chunin or jonin we see, some of the relatives like hiashi dying to protect neji and hinata or at least maybe knowing because he is old. As for the case with guy would of served the mentor death for Lee to grow and frankly naruto nre healing power made sakura look irrelevant for alot of people.

I do agree we do need some deaths for suspense to make it look real for the audience to tell them that no one is safe, but like Bail said it's not the lack of deaths that's the problem, it's the lack of meaning.

Take a look at Neji's death at how it was talked about. Back then when he was killed off, what were people talking about? Hinata.

Hinata having a moment with Naruto, not Hinata growing as a character, but that she finally touched Naruto's big soft warm hand. That's what they were talking about. Neji's death? Not so much. Not only that his death barely matter to the audience, but even in the story in the next chapter if I remember correctly Naruto and everyone just moves on and apart from a small moment with Lee crying over Neji while holding him, and later on Hinata begging Neji (the dead guy) to save Naruto, everyone just completely forgets about him, even Naruto even though just a few chapters before he said he will not allow anyone to kill his friends. Well one of his real friends(unlike Sasuke) just died saving him (I still hate that moment) and Naruto just fists his chest and says he won't forget about Neji and that's it. Not only going back on his word that he just made minutes ago, but even when one of his friends dies, it doesn't really mean that much. Yes of course one can argue it's war time, so no time, but still it was treated very quickly and we moved on like it wasn't that major of an event.

Again as Bail said before, it's the lack of meaning.

Edited by Nostradamus, 19 February 2024 - 09:46 AM.

[BlueStarSaber]

Looks like with have an actual update on the live action naruto movie in that the guy who did shang chi is do it https://www.google.c...1235833511/amp/

[Bail o' Lies]

Looks like with have an actual update on the live action naruto movie in that the guy who did shang chi is do it https://www.google.c...1235833511/amp/

...So the guy that did that Marvel movie that was a love letter to China, which was largely considered average/mediocre and forgettable. Well, the cast might actually be/have Asians, instead of vaguely ethnic brown people. So will awkwafina be playing Sakura or Hinata? Since, she is the young Asian actress/singer/comedian they keep shoving into everything.

 

 

Since, I know nothing else about the guy. I assume Naruto will be remade, "for modern audiences," and it will at best be average and forgettable.

[TheFirstEvil100]

At this point Naruto is a dead brand, and SP, since we know they are the one running Naruto now.

Still it seems like they will keep on trying to keep Naruto running, thinking it brings them billions.

As a wise old man from South Park once said: Sometimes dead is better.

[Nostradamus]

I don't really see the point of making a live action movie of Naruto, yes I know the One Piece show was said to be good therefore it's the new thing to take a manga and take it into a live action show or movie, but I have to ask for those who read OP was it really good or was it that western stuff just took a massive nosedive in the last couple of years?

 

I haven't watched the show, I've heard from people it's good, but I've only heard from people who never checked the manga.

As for the Naruto movie, I have so many questions and dilemmas. Like when exactly will the movie take place? What about the casting since they're kids so you have to get child actors which will be a lot more difficult, I mean for part one they're around 12 and part two I think like 15-16 can't recall exactly. So depending on the time period the movie is set you need to cast them appropriately. You can't have a 16 year old play a 12 year old. Then you need to get the look just right, the setting, what about special effect like the insane number of clones making that look good in action will be tough.

Also correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't OP still going on? So if so why make a movie about a franchise that is basically dead? If they wanted to resurrect it, then they know what must be done, not investing more money in a project which personally I think it's going to flop.

Know when you are beaten.

[Bail o' Lies]

One Piece was not the first live action anime adaption Netflix done, just the first one that was successful.

 

Both. One piece has a good story, and the writing quality in the West has decline so much that people become overjoyed at something that could be even average.

 

Lets see FF7 gotten a lot of buzz this past week or so. Why? They had a trailer that showed Tifa pretty and in an appealing swimsuit. People are so used to female characters being ugly and frumpy at the best of time, gamers were overjoyed. 

 

As for why they are doing this. Naruto was huge a decade ago. They probably hope the movie could revitalize viewership and interest. Will it? Who knows but doubtful. Naruto has more problems than just its end pairings. Naruto's obsession with Sasuke, his eventual lack of growth, his quest to become hokage becomes forgotten about, and so on.

 

It depends what they want to do with it. if they want to do a "Naruto Universe," they will probably start from the beginning. If it just one movie, it will probably be the most popular arc or just some original story that is a weird amalgamation of Naruto. Or it will just be Naruto in name only to get people in seats. 

 

Still the most likely out come is this: Imagine a gay transgender Steve Urkel chasing after Edward Cullen, when he not constantly moaning about how oppressed he is, while Ken Watanabe playing Kakashi keeps pulling his mask down to show his face every five seconds, and  Awkwafina playing Sakura will constantly quip with a smug look on her face as well as she will on social media declare that all fans of Naruto are sexist that shouldn't complain about anything as well as saying they shouldn't watch it.

Edited by Bail o' Lies, 27 February 2024 - 10:15 PM.

[luans7]

Battle  shounen anime don't translate well into live action if you follow the original storyline. For example, if you attempt a live action adaptation of Dragon Ball sticking to the manga's plot, it would feel odd and likely fail. It would be better if they focused on the stories of Master Roshi or Grandpa Gohan, mirroring Bruce Lee's films. In Naruto, they would need to choose a ninja who doesn't seem out of place in live action for adaptation, but the title of the work complicates this. I have the feeling that the same will happen with Naruto as it did with Saint Seiya in Latin countries. It was very popular for decades but lost ground to Dragon Ball. In Naruto's case, it will be to One Piece

[BlueStarSaber]

I don't really see the point of making a live action movie of Naruto, yes I know the One Piece show was said to be good therefore it's the new thing to take a manga and take it into a live action show or movie, but I have to ask for those who read OP was it really good or was it that western stuff just took a massive nosedive in the last couple of years?
 
I haven't watched the show, I've heard from people it's good, but I've only heard from people who never checked the manga.
As for the Naruto movie, I have so many questions and dilemmas. Like when exactly will the movie take place? What about the casting since they're kids so you have to get child actors which will be a lot more difficult, I mean for part one they're around 12 and part two I think like 15-16 can't recall exactly. So depending on the time period the movie is set you need to cast them appropriately. You can't have a 16 year old play a 12 year old. Then you need to get the look just right, the setting, what about special effect like the insane number of clones making that look good in action will be tough.
Also correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't OP still going on? So if so why make a movie about a franchise that is basically dead? If they wanted to resurrect it, then they know what must be done, not investing more money in a project which personally I think it's going to flop.
Know when you are beaten.

The live action of one piece is well received nearly everyone who watched enjoyed the adaptation, so far I have only seen one youtuber being mixed on it grandline reviews. The only real criticism I've seen people have for the show is the marine subplot they included in.

One piece is still on, infact it's getting a second anime on Netflix adapting the East blue saga by studio wit.

  

One Piece was not the first live action anime adaption Netflix done, just the first one that was successful.
 
Both. One piece has a good story, and the writing quality in the West has decline so much that people become overjoyed at something that could be even average.
 
Lets see FF7 gotten a lot of buzz this past week or so. Why? They had a trailer that showed Tifa pretty and in an appealing swimsuit. People are so used to female characters being ugly and frumpy at the best of time, gamers were overjoyed. 
 
As for why they are doing this. Naruto was huge a decade ago. They probably hope the movie could revitalize viewership and interest. Will it? Who knows but doubtful. Naruto has more problems than just its end pairings. Naruto's obsession with Sasuke, his eventual lack of growth, his quest to become hokage becomes forgotten about, and so on.
 
It depends what they want to do with it. if they want to do a "Naruto Universe," they will probably start from the beginning. If it just one movie, it will probably be the most popular arc or just some original story that is a weird amalgamation of Naruto. Or it will just be Naruto in name only to get people in seats. 
 
Still the most likely out come is this: Imagine a gay transgender Steve Urkel chasing after Edward Cullen, when he not constantly moaning about how oppressed he is, while Ken Watanabe playing Kakashi keeps pulling his mask down to show his face every five seconds, and  Awkwafina playing Sakura will constantly quip with a smug look on her face as well as she will on social media declare that all fans of Naruto are sexist that shouldn't complain about anything as well as saying they shouldn't watch it.

Yeah is doubt they do that type casting they are likely to do what Kishimoto said in an interview, naruto played by an American, sakura a European and sasuke asian


  

Battle  shounen anime don't translate well into live action if you follow the original storyline. For example, if you attempt a live action adaptation of Dragon Ball sticking to the manga's plot, it would feel odd and likely fail. It would be better if they focused on the stories of Master Roshi or Grandpa Gohan, mirroring Bruce Lee's films. In Naruto, they would need to choose a ninja who doesn't seem out of place in live action for adaptation, but the title of the work complicates this. I have the feeling that the same will happen with Naruto as it did with Saint Seiya in Latin countries. It was very popular for decades but lost ground to Dragon Ball. In Naruto's case, it will be to One Piece

I can see them being able to adapt the land of waves arc at least for a movie, with the only changes I see is perhaps sakura getting more involved

[NaruSaku fan in Kentucky]

This still gives me chills...

 

https://youtu.be/EKJ...?feature=shared

Edited by NaruSaku fan in Kentucky, 01 March 2024 - 03:06 AM.

[Nostradamus]

@Bail I know it wasn't the first one, but it's the first one that I've heard about actually being liked by people.

 

That is true the quality in the west as I said really took a massive nosedive that even something mediocre is viewed as good.

 

Imagine people liking a woman for looking like a woman, and not a man. What a world we live in.

 

The Naruto movie I just find it too late and not what we or "Naruto" needed. It just feels like once again them reading the room wrong and not bothering to listen.

 

The last part, I don't even know what to say dude. In a world of DEI and ESG what you said fits like a glove. And it's likely.

 

 

@Blue So it does look like they actually did something well. Again I've only heard from people who didn't follow the manga and also got tired of the decline in stories in these past years in entertainment.

[Bail o' Lies]

@Bail I know it wasn't the first one, but it's the first one that I've heard about actually being liked by people.

 

That is true the quality in the west as I said really took a massive nosedive that even something mediocre is viewed as good.

 

Imagine people liking a woman for looking like a woman, and not a man. What a world we live in.

 

The Naruto movie I just find it too late and not what we or "Naruto" needed. It just feels like once again them reading the room wrong and not bothering to listen.

 

The last part, I don't even know what to say dude. In a world of DEI and ESG what you said fits like a glove. And it's likely.

 

 

@Blue So it does look like they actually did something well. Again I've only heard from people who didn't follow the manga and also got tired of the decline in stories in these past years in entertainment.

Just making sure. It is the only one they have done that hasn't bombed.

 

The problem is that the decline is somewhat intentional and somewhat going too far by accident.

 

BlackRock and Vanguard are two major investment companies. One of their owners has said multiple times that he wants to control the media people view, so he can change their world views; into what he wants it to be. Western Media Companies go along with it because by this point they are full of useless risk-averse executives without an ounce of creativity, and the investment companies are offering guaranteed money for any project they agree with. They hire non-straight white male people regardless of skill, talent, or experience maybe worse in spite of a lack of it; to produce media for "the modern audience." Of course they are informed they have only been hired because they are not straight white males, and just to produce anything. So they barely put any effort into it or lack the talent, skill, or experience to make anything good. Often times this so call "modern audience" is just themselves. 

 

In short. The investment company just gives them the money, the company spends the money while not bothering with any quality control, and the staff half ass it. So they produce products no one wants beyond themselves. This 'worked' for awhile, when the economy was good, but now its collapsing and the investment company can't give the media companies enough money to say afloat.

 

The thing is just because they produce something to lower the standards of the customers. Doesn't mean everyone lowers their standards and blindly consume their product. The customer may just refuse to buy and take their money elsewhere. While also being happy when another comes along and respect them by giving them what they want.

 

For an example. One of the things they want to change is the standards of beauty. They think the current media makes women too unrealistically beautiful and wants to make them more "realistic." How the West goes about it in video games is taking a model based on a real woman and make the character deliberately ugly. People are able to both question & criticize this by just finding a photo of the model they uglified. When they were just suppose to accept the character as what someone actually looks like, and suppose to consider beautiful.

 

One of the hot games coming out is Stellar Blade. Which has an attractive woman in a tight cyber-suit. People including Western game developers accuse it of being sexist and the female character being obviously fake. The Korean developers show that the model is mostly one to one between the real life model and the character model.

 

Now onto Naruto. This Lionsgate movie was 'started' ten years ago. Nothing happened till now, because of the collapse of Naruto's popularity after the ending; until One Piece LA happened. Then likely the narrative of, "hey, One Piece was this obscure anime no one knew about and look how successful it adaptation was. What if we do a live action of Naruto the King of International sales for anime?" Nos, you said most of the people you know that keep talking about One Piece weren't fans of the anime or manga. Why can't the same happen for Naruto? Now will it work?...who knows.

Edited by Bail o' Lies, 03 March 2024 - 11:05 AM.

[Nostradamus]

Oh I know very well what Fink said about forcing behavior. I know also quite a bit about Blackrock and Vanguard and also about what other people have said. If you listen to what some of them say, of what world they envision it's terrifying. And that's only what the say in public, think about what they say and do behind closed doors. I don't like to talk about them because I've noticed people don't like these types of conversations so I usually stay away.

However I'm glad in a way that people started to pay attention to what Blackrock and Vanguard are doing, also that they even get mentioned, just a few years ago they would've flown under the radar without anyone talking about them. Speaking of flying that's where it actually scares me the most, thinking about hiring people who aren't qualified for the job, but fit their agenda is monumentally idiotic. So many lives are now in the hands of people who aren't the best for the job, but because they just happened to be born in or identify as something. But I guess for them it doesn't matter because they will have their private jets and private pilots.

 

That's what the majority of people do, they just don't buy the product anymore. It's one of the reasons getting the interests from social media isn't a good metric to go by. Something that looked popular might turn out to not be at all. Like NH.

 

They did that in the latest Spider-man game where they made MJ look like one of the writers. Take a look at the model used for MJ in the first game also used for the second and you'll see in the second they just took like small features but overall it's really modeled after one of the writers. Which sorry to say, but she isn't as attractive as the original model.

I know about the Stellar Blade controversy, I loved how people were complaining that no woman looks like that then developer showed the model.

 

Yeah that's what I said about One Piece all I've heard is good things, but only from people who never checked the manga or anime.

I had no idea if they liked it because it's actually good or because they're just sick of the modern entertainment. Which is why I asked for those who followed OP if it's indeed good.

I used to watch a lot of movies and shows, one of the reasons I've stopped is partially because of my own personal problems, but also because there hasn't really been anything that interests me in these pasts years. Even now I hear news about some project my first reaction is to dismiss it because I assume it's probably going to be of low quality.

Will the Naruto movie be the thing that will resurrect it? Or if it doesn't resurrect Naruto's dead corpse, at least the movie will be good. I doubt it. It's possible, but I just don't see it. Maybe I became too cynical.  

And the reason I don't see it apart from what's going on in the media lately, but also because to me this isn't the right move.

A movie is the right move, but not a live action one. You need to bring back the old fanbase, the ones that made them. Without them they're nothing. Without us back I don't see it succeeding. Sure it might bring in a new fanbase, but they didn't grew up with it, they don't have the memories, the nostalgia of all those years.

Edited by Nostradamus, 04 March 2024 - 05:36 AM.

[Konoha'sCrimsonFox]

Honestly, I don't know how you guys can keep going. It's been nearly 10 years... a decade. Right on guys 

 

Are we all ready for the 10th year anniversary of our ship's death Naruto ending? Are we going to get another interview? If so do you all think we going to get the "real" answer from Kishi's mouth now that Boruto manga has been developed to the point that the old pairing war will no longer harm the current serialized manga? 

 

But I sure will missed guys like NSForLife and Rikudou here on H&E.

Edited by Konoha'sCrimsonFox, 06 March 2024 - 12:28 PM.

[NaruSaku fan in Kentucky]

Honestly, I don't know how you guys can keep going. It's been nearly 10 years... a decade. Right on guys 

 

Are we all ready for the 10th year anniversary of our ship's death Naruto ending? Are we going to get another interview? If so do you all think we going to get the "real" answer from Kishi's mouth now that Boruto manga has been developed to the point that the old pairing war will no longer harm the current serialized manga? 

 

But I sure will missed guys like NSForLife and Rikudou here on H&E.

You're leaving?

[BlueStarSaber]

In regards to Western films and media while 2023 wasn't really a good year, mainly for Disney and superhero films. There was still some great things that came out like across the spiderverse, oppenheimer, Mario movie, the last of us TV series, live action one piece and arguably barbie depending on who you ask.

Disney films arguably have gotten a bit too repetitive in the type humour tropes and story telling they have done so they are in a bit of a decline, though hopefully films they do this year like deadpool 3 will do really well. Superheroes marvel got a bit lazy with the humour, their standard formula minus gaurdians 3 and loki season 2 and arguably the effects though that genreally been a problem with studios in genreal with how they treat effect artists. While dc failures are partly due to the fact the are rebooting under James gun, so no one wants to see them until then at least.

Granted films have also been affect by the writers and actors strike and that has probably effected alot ofbbehind the scenes for most films, hopefully now that's been sorted you can get back to better quality, with dune part 2 being a promising start.

Now for one piece live action many of the first time fans are probably those who may have wanted to try out one piece, but never could because they were etheir put off of oda's art style or episode length. Because let's face it for some a 1000s chapters or episodes is alot of time and commitment. An 8 to 10 episode season can be alot more easier to digest.

Also the casting is very great for one piece, inaki in particulary really captures the character of luffy, heck even oda comments that he make lines work for his portrayal of luffy work that he think wouldn't work in the manga.

For the naruto live action movie quality, well at the very least I can see being decent at least sine the action in shang chi was good. Whether or not it will attract new fans or old one depends, if it stays true to most of the things that made naruto originally great I can see it drawing them in or if it does changes that are better than in the managa I can see some prefer the live action movie over the manga. Mainly the romance and portrayal of the female cast, if it does them better than what kishimoto did, I could see some people checking it out to perhaps see something they wished the manga did.

[NaruSaku fan in Kentucky]

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[TheFirstEvil100]

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Lol, facts.

[totherpage95]

Honestly, I don't know how you guys can keep going. It's been nearly 10 years... a decade. Right on guys 
 
Are we all ready for the 10th year anniversary of our ship's death Naruto ending? Are we going to get another interview? If so do you all think we going to get the "real" answer from Kishi's mouth now that Boruto manga has been developed to the point that the old pairing war will no longer harm the current serialized manga? 
 
But I sure will missed guys like NSForLife and Rikudou here on H&E.

Hmm considering all the evidence pointing to ns being what was supposed to be endgame and all the ns references kishi put in the Minato one shot and the quality of the art it goes to show that kishi made a mistake. Even his wife apparently doesnt buy nh. Do i want a interview? Yeah but even without one it's clear. I'm a naruto fan not a fan of boruto and if the people who made naruto are not happy why should i be? Same goes for how i feel about star wars right now

[Konoha'sCrimsonFox]

You're leaving?

 

Nope I'll be here as long as I can. I was referring to people that are no longer with us. Not my departure 

 

 

Hmm considering all the evidence pointing to ns being what was supposed to be endgame and all the ns references kishi put in the Minato one shot and the quality of the art it goes to show that kishi made a mistake. Even his wife apparently doesnt buy nh. Do i want a interview? Yeah but even without one it's clear. I'm a naruto fan not a fan of boruto and if the people who made naruto are not happy why should i be? Same goes for how i feel about star wars right now

 

Sadly, there is nothing can be done about the past. And we forever will lose fans Naruto had back in 2014. But what Kishi decides what to do with his time with Boruto will effect his legacy as a manga artist. Plenty famous people rather if they are actors, athletes, musicians, authors... ect comes out closet and unveils a dark and gloomy side during their careers. And we all know that how Viz/SJ approved of the ending was very unorthodox.

 

What I did manage to find out during my 5-6 year absence from this forum that editors can have an immense control of a story. Usually this happens when newborn and fresh authors either give up entirely, or lack any ideas to keep submitting content rather if its manga chapters and  light novels volumes on time and this is Kishi for an example.  Naruto was so post to be a ramen delivery boy if I remember correctly. Not a ninja manga.

 

But what if Kishi had already brainstorm either written or already illustrated NS chapters of their dates and Sakura romantically has feelings for Naruto has been scrapped due to Sakura falling out of the popularity polls (after Sand Village Arc) and being the most hated female character in the west? You guys find it very strange that Kishi never followed up with multiple NS dates after the sand arc when he had the momentum from Team 7 Pt2 training introduction?

 

I know there is no way Kishi will ever compromise the organization that he submits content to for a living. So he will have to take the full blame and confessed his incompetence for writing Naruto not the way he wanted and could not find a solution to resolve Sakura's fanbase hate. With the pairing put way behind us and Boruto manga is like 8 years old, it will not do much as  harm as it would have been past for Kishi to finally unveiled the reason why Sakura was the Pt2 FML to the world because a lot of the old fans that are haters are either gone or won't care if Sakura was so post be like Kishi's wife at least in appearance wise.

 

Rather if Kishi decides to do a reboot to fixes they glaring flaws or not is beyond us, but nevertheless, it will be very "amusing" 10th year anniversary if Kishi drops this bombshell ^^. Not sure if we should pity him or not.

 

.As for Starwars in Disney's hands. I feel the same way. Watched the first movie and never returned after.

Edited by Konoha'sCrimsonFox, 08 March 2024 - 10:59 AM.