dragonflyx11

 How about a small list? 

 

I'm challenging your statement because I do not believe there are "Way too many to name", nor were there "Retcons left and right". You're free not to indulge, but if you are going to claim a position, better to make an example. 

 

Kaguya suffered from lack of foreshadowing, yes, though I will disagree that she's the worst, though this is a position we can respectfully have differing views on with no problem. 

 

And no character was "destroyed". No character became OOC at the end, objectively so. They're still the same characters. 

 I guess a better way to put it would be character regression. Destruction of growth. Sakura was in character for 12 yr old Sakura. Also i said ONE of the worst not the worst, but as you said we can agree to disagree on that. Sasuke's history was retconned. The LAST was a giant retcon and a band-aid on a gaping wound. I'm done with this topic though. I'm not gonna go through every little mistake, like i said i'm done with canon Naruto, it was a great start changed into one heaping pile of ass.

Thanks for the nice reply's everyone. Well i have never been very active in the discussions themselves I definitely pop in threads from time to time. It is nice to see that there are still many people who care about this place as i do.

 

On another note. Tricksie, well i know you haven't written in awhile. Your writing is some of the most enjoyable i have read.

 

Isn't that a problematic stance? We can't make a case on what his intent was, and we can't use the interviews to support or case because we are saying "Authors lie from time to time", yet his words are more or less consistent, and don't really support that anyway. 

You say he is consistent, but i say the many many holes in his story say otherwise. our opinions differ and ALWAYS will differ.

Hey everyone. Long long time member and i mean LONG ( just check the join date). I am pretty much a permanent lurker who comes out every once an a blue moon to throw in his 2 cents, but i have never really made any kind of introduction. I have been a long time NS supporter all the way since good ol chapter 3. i supported the couple religiously for years. Never really cared for ships before ( I mean a guy my age really shouldn't be lol) but something about NS was different. There growth as characters and the way they fit with each other just made me want to cheer them on. I was so sure that they would be together in the end. Safe to say i was pretty crushed by the ending and have not really followed anything to do with the canon naruto since (still love me some good fanfics though). I will always believe in my heart of hearts regardless of any interviews or otherwise that NS was Kishi's original intent, even if it never was really important to him. I didn't do this to mope about the old days though. I just wanted to finally make a little introduction after all these years. I know there is not to many people left from around my time. I have seen many people come and go in all my years of lurking and well i have never been a really "active" member. I have fond memories of this place and it is the people here that helped nurture the love i have for our favorite paring.

To all those who are still here. Never doubt that H&E was and always will be the best naruto fan sanctuary around! (Even if the story let us down in the end) Now time to disappear for another 10+ yrs of lurking!

I'm just going to address this part, as I will always say, people are welcome to feel how they feel. 
 
 
I've made Pro-NS points, but the subject rarely seems to circle this to really discuss that. It instead often comes up as half-praise, half-insult at something, the ending, the pairing, and the point they say is done bad is even refutable, so I naturally refute it. I've also made my criticisms of what was done. I.E., I do not believe the Team 7 bonds were well executed, and this includes SS, so saying they are "wonderfully done" really misses my point. I do though, think that NH was written well, though I stress written, and not, I ship. This is why I defend it, because I see it's foundation and execution, and can point out why, where others don't see it, for whatever reason that may be. There are flaws I can certainly name, mainly one that connects to the same criticism of  the many of Naruto's bonds with other characters, in that they are underutilized, while we have the overuse of Sasuke's bond with Naruto.
 
I like NS as a pair, I think they are really warm. I don't agree with all of the fanon perspectives on it, and we'll never know exactly on how they act as an actual couple, but I imagine the dynamic would be fun and humorous and warm and entertaining, and would have been a fine pick for the end if Kishimoto chose to do so. I don't though, support that it was Kishimoto's original pick but he betrayed it, I think that is really close to almost saying: "I was entitled to this happening because that's how it was supposed to be", and I don't support it is bad writing because he chose not to do so. I also do not think NS, like the other Team 7 bonds, had the greatest start in execution, but unlike the other Team 7 bonds, made leaps and bounds in improvement, particularly helped by them spending more time together. 
 
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Coming out of permanent lurkery to add my 2 cents. I respectfully disagree. I do believe that NS was his original intent, but at the same time i also think he never cared about the pair. Just as he never cared about NH or SS either. Only one bond mattered to him. Naruto and sasuke. No opinion here is any more right or wrong than the other. None of us are kishi, so none of us can say what his true intent was. Even if he himself says what his true intent was, cause authors lie from time to time.

 

 
You could though, as Boruto could end up alone or with someone else, we're not that far into the manga yet. You could say Boruto and Sarada might happen, but I don't think there's enough to foreshadow it will happen
 
 
. No, NH is not the best ship on the whole planet, unless you think it is. Ship who you want to ship, I just wish to correct mis-stated facts. 
 
I did not say, Evil100 is not qualified, by the way. He perfectly is. 
 
I pity what he is going through, but I have no control over his stories, and it is completely silly to do that, since I have no presence on fanfiction.net. 
 
 
 
 
 
Here's the difference: The manga is over, and the author said it was. Context restores meaning to that which you tried to show there was none. 

  you do realize people can lie right?? It is very simple for an author to say "oh i planned that from the very beginning"

why do you think Pokemon has been doing better, lol that is just funny, that pokemon is beating Naruto.

 

Yep but NH fans don't care for a good story they never have all they care about is Hinata getting what she wants.

 

Yeah and its shall be all about Hinata and making Sakura look bad I bet you that is what they will do

 

well every NH fans since its got the one they all bend over for.

i have actually seen quite a few NH fans bash on the last pretty hard. Sure there are the fanatics that except any trash, but most shippers started first and foremost as fans of the actual manga and not any one pairing. Regardless of what you ship, the ending and everything after it has been horrible from a story perspective, Many people from all ships understand this and are disappointed. 

Hopefully the movie will show it was just it or something.

Unfortunately it will not. We should start a kickstarter and make our own ending movie. HA! IN YOUR TROLL ASS FACE KISHI!! XD

I accepted it too, but I also accept that the obvious lack of care shown in those chapters and the lengths Kishi went to destroy Naruto and Sakura's character, I fully believe that NS was ways intended and he caved to pressure. Don't even care, NS is always canon to me.

Same here. I have been a member of this FC since 2006. 2 horrible chapters is not gonna ruin what i love about NS. I mean sure I will stick to fanfiction from now on, but I still love the pair all the same.
 

SMH at the insane NaruHina fans. Instead of celebrating them winning they're celebrating us losing and as a NaruSaku fan, I would've celebrated NaruSaku's win instead of rubbing it in NaruHina's fans face.

Oh there is a few that i may of poked fun at a bit, but I would NEVER NEVER resort to something disgusting like that petition

I'd be in the hospital. Self induced lung-puncture from excessive amounts of laughter.

Weren't y'all talking about this earlier? Something about anti-piracy and Kishi's assistant?

I have come to accept that those chapters were the real ones, the only bright side to it is I know for a fact that the vast majority of the Japanese audience ( who read Naruto for its story and could care less about ships)  the people that Kishi should really be catering too ,will be severely disappointed in this travesty kishi calls an ending. 

 

If they think this will help sell there stupid movie, they have another thing coming. RTN broke records for a reason, cause it was really about *NARUTO* Ya know?? The character this manga is named after. It stayed true to his character as well

kishi's birthday is on saturday lol.

I am gonna mail him a bag of my kitten and on a card write * The perfect gift for you, smells just like the ending of Naruto. Please enjoy :)*

Is it bad that I am finding ripping pages out of my Naruto volumes and sticking them in the paper shredder very satisfying? 

Well I figure as a long time member who never says much, I figure I should make my final post a doozy

 

You fail so much as a writer kishimoto, I can not believe how easily you have completely ruined Naruto. Sakura's character is dead and Naruto is nothing but a coward. I am going to forget this atrocious ending ever existed. For your own saftey Kishimoto I hope you quit writing manga.

 

I will still have good memories though. I was a fan of NS from chapter 3, when we truly were the laughing stock of  shipping communities. When that lil boy looked passed that lil girls insecurities. I will remember when Naruto first used shadowclone and Sakura for the first time thought he was cool. I remember Sakura teaching Naruto the trick to tree climbing. I remember in the first part of the chunin exam Sakura wanting to protect Naruto's silly dream. I remember Naruto fighting with his life an beyond to save Sakura from Garra when no one else could. After this I really started to think maybe NS had a real chance. Then i remember Sasuke leaving and Naruto making that heartfelt promise. That is when I knew NS was meant to be. I remember there reunion and Sakura noticing how handsome Naruto has become and wondering if he thought she had matured and blushing well doing so. I remember how distraught Sakura looked when she learned why the akatsuki were after Naruto. I remember when Naruto became 4 tails and Sakura tearfully ran towards him thinking only of him. I remember Sakura saying she could only do the smallest things for Naruto and Yamato's sentence being interrupted.I remember when Naruto hurt his arm from using rasenshuriken and being excited when Sakura said she would feed him. I remember when Pein had destroyed the village an Sakura desperately called for Naruto to come save them. Then i remember Naruto returning to a hero's welcome and Sakura hitting him for being so reckless then holding him close and thanking him for saving them

 

To me this is when Naruto ended, after this point it was like it was written by a different person. Naruto was the manga that got me into manga, before it I had watched DBZ and gundam wing and that was it. So i will always be thankful to Naruto for that. Now I can move on and read manga by much better authors who do not give into pressure and absolutely ruin something many people spent half there lives reading.

 

I wish to truly thank the H&E community. You made this long time lurkers time here an enjoyable one. I wish you guys all the best ^^

Well I figure as a long time member who never says much, I figure I should make my final post a doozy

 

You fail so much as a writer kishimoto, I can not believe how easily you have completely ruined Naruto. Sakura's character is dead and Naruto is nothing but a coward. I am going to forget this atrocious ending ever existed. For your own saftey Kishimoto I hope you quit writing manga.

 

I will still have good memories though. I was a fan of NS from chapter 3, when we truly were the laughing stock of  shipping communities. When that lil boy looked passed that lil girls insecurities. I will remember when Naruto first used shadowclone and Sakura for the first time thought he was cool. I remember Sakura teaching Naruto the trick to tree climbing. I remember in the first part of the chunin exam Sakura wanting to protect Naruto's silly dream. I remember Naruto fighting with his life an beyond to save Sakura from Garra when no one else could. After this I really started to think maybe NS had a real chance. Then i remember Sasuke leaving and Naruto making that heartfelt promise. That is when I knew NS was meant to be. I remember there reunion and Sakura noticing how handsome Naruto has become and wondering if he thought she had matured and blushing well doing so. I remember how distraught Sakura looked when she learned why the akatsuki were after Naruto. I remember when Naruto became 4 tails and Sakura tearfully ran towards him thinking only of him. I remember Sakura saying she could only do the smallest things for Naruto and Yamato's sentence being interrupted.I remember when Naruto hurt his arm from using rasenshuriken and being excited when Sakura said she would feed him. I remember when Pein had destroyed the village an Sakura desperately called for Naruto to come save them. Then i remember Naruto returning to a hero's welcome and Sakura hitting him for being so reckless then holding him close and thanking him for saving them

 

To me this is when Naruto ended, after this point it was like it was written by a different person. Naruto was the manga that got me into manga, before it I had watched DBZ and gundam wing and that was it. So i will always be thankful to Naruto for that. Now I can move on and read manga by much better authors who do not give into pressure and absolutely ruin something many people spent half there lives reading.

 

I wish to truly thank the H&E community. You made this long time lurkers time here an enjoyable one. I wish you guys all the best ^^