Okay, well my point still stands. It's not a weapon, it's a tool. Same as religion. It's a tool to help guide you through life. It is the person using it to cause damage to others is what makes it a weapon. It's like saying "Guns kill people." Well, they actually don't. As stupid as people make the claim how it is, the concept is true. It's not the tool that determines it's use, but the person who uses. The person behind the trigger is the problem and that is the problem here. It's not Ninshuu or ninjutsu that is the problem, it's the people constantly being at war with each other. It is human nature.
Ninshuu is actually explained very clearly. It is supposed to be a means to connect everyone on a spiritual level so that we can understand each other and thus people will never fight. If you understand why someone does something, then how can you fight? Especially since the other person may have had good reason to do so. If a person does a bad thing, but in reality you know they are doing it for a right reason or they regret everything that they do, how can you hate that person? That's the concept anyway. If you think that concept is a terrible one, then you see why it failed. People didn't want to believe in such a things and rather believed in themselves. The simple reason of thinking the concept sucks is the reason why it didn't work. Ironic, isn't it?
Kaguya wanted to control people while Hagoromo wanted to connect people.
Jutsu and Chakra: We have been given an explanation of what they are and have seen over and over what they do. Saying that it harms people, connects people, or gives them bad gas, tells us only what they can do. You can't evaluate anything if you given a stated purpose in a total void. Kishimoto defined it the way he has with jutsu, then we could look at it and see his point. We can see and watch and say, yeah, it does that or why he the Sage says it was created to harm based on what he showed us. True or not, I can look at and see, yeah, maybe he has a point. Devoid of all that context, it's just an empty meaningless statement that I simply be asked to assume is true.
Saying Ninshuu connects people without explaining what it is or how it does this telss me diddly poo. It's an aspiration, not an explanation. In other words, a gross violation of show don't tell.
Than I guess we have to disagree on this one because of all the mistakes you point out for Karin, Sasuke is much worse. Like I said, Sasuke's "ideals" have been retconned 4 times in this manga.
To me, a ret-con is going back through events that have already happen to explain a current event that has no explanation and doing so despite that fact what is being explained did not occur during the original version of the events. I.e. He had to rewrite previous chapters to explain away a current problem. In other words, we saw the exams. No karin and no bear. Part 2 comes around and, about that Karin and bear that you didn't see when I first went through, by the way, that happened despite what you may have read earlier.
That hasn't happen for Sasuke. The prior events talked about when he does that were not actively "lived through" by the audience. He doesn't have to edit the past to make room for it.
First he wants to kill Itachi and noone else. After Itachi dies and he learns the truth about it, he wants revenge against Konoha.
When he has a chance to destroy Konoha easily, he decides to follow Itachi for some stupid reason to ask him a question. When he gets the answer and the truth again, he once again stalls in his own resolve. He then goes to Konoha with Orochimaru so he can talk to the first 4 Hokage and hears a story about how Madara wanted his own way. So what does he do? Now Sasuke changes his mind and wants to become Hokage. Are you kidding me?
I think Sasuke goal has always been the same: Penance for lost loved ones. What keeps changing is his understanding of events, so who owes that penance constantly shifts as he hears why things are the way they are. There are all sorts of major issues with the execution (i.e. lack of responsibility/accountability, Itachi delivering a message instead of Naruto, forming Team Seven), but the basic track of his character shifts aren't off base and not what makes his characterization weak. It's the execution that blows, not the fact that he keeps changing targets. I get that.
Karin wanted to love Sasuke and that's all she ever wanted. Good, it's her own resolve. You criticize her for it, but at least it was her own. Sasuke just copies and pastes everyone else's "goals" simply in the name of "the plot." You want to talk about Karin's love for Sasuke being a "plot purpose," and yet here is Sasuke's character who is nothing, BUT plot purpose. He is literally the plot mover and serves no other purpose than that. The only original thought Sasuke had was his revenge against Itachi.
It is just for plot purposes, but that's not the precise reason it sucks. I could live with it if Kishimoto treated it as tragic (because that is what is). Such devotion in the face of such asks exists. I see it all the time in domestic abuse cases. I'd be torn apart if I just sat her and made cracks about hilarious it all was and I'd deserve it. And yet, that's what Kishi did.
I've seen lots of posts about what a strong, independent person Karin is. When I look at the manga I wonder I was asleep for that part of the story because I sure don't see it.
Also, like I said, I guess this makes Hinata even worse since her love for Naruto is absolute bull and has made her severely weak over years. Again, she fell flat on her face. I am not saying Karin is justifiable or that she isn't a bad character. I am just saying she isn't the worse and that there are other characters take her problem and crank it to 11.
Yeah, agree to disagree. To me, there is nothing close to as bad as turning her tragedy into comedy fodder and pretend that Sasuke hadn't left her for dead. Even if it wasn't for plot purposes, It'd still be an indefensible travesty.
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