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#141 harry4e

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Posted 23 April 2014 - 12:59 PM

Are you kittening kidding me? Kishi is pulling the same holding a freaking kunai and hesitating to attack leading to her being attacked in the back? Screw that, all that build up showing how she's grown only to have her get caught in a similar situation again!!! She better not end up being saved by Sasuke or Naruto or even Obito next week, let her save herself for once, she's supposed to be the smartest kid in her class after Shikararu yet she ends up in the same damsel in distress situations.

 

This chapter was lame, it should have gone to show how strong both Sasuke and Naruto have grown but nope it was a Uchiha wank session again, Oh look how strong Sasuke is now, 15 years of build up, and showing them grow up and we are back to the start, Naruto the dumb sidekick and Sakura the damsel in Distress.

 

Next week better be epic, because this week was the worst chapter in months and we've had some stinkers recently.

 

 

Is there any break for next week?

I think kishi secretly a Dota fan.

 

I think it's Golden Week, Why Dota?

 

 

 

Why are people worried about Sasuke saving Sakura?

He can't use kamui so he can't enter the other dimension, I doubt he even knows or cares Sakura is in kamui land, even if he could teleport there's no way he would be able to intercept that attack in time and he didn't even look worried when Madara left more...slightly annoyed like he knew he failed at stopping him.

 

Why Because he is Sasuke, with his special Sauce...it would be no surprise if Kishi pulled another Sharingan miracle out of his arse and Sasuke can suddenly travel to the Limbo world too. Didn't you get get the link between the two powers? Madara can summon a clone from Limbo World, Sasuke can see it and Obito can travel to it.

 

Also http://www.mangapand...m/naruto/674/10 looks like he used his eye to summon NAruto's black rod thing and stab Madara with it.


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Posted 23 April 2014 - 01:00 PM

I'm Glad someone got the joke :thumb:


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Posted 23 April 2014 - 01:06 PM

cool, SS fans are hoping that Sasuke will save Sakura...


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Posted 23 April 2014 - 01:09 PM

It can't be a teleportation because it is doesn't have the same properties as other teleportation techniques that we have seen. I have a few reasons
Why would this teleportation have a range? Minato's FTG and Obito's Kamui never had a range and they could teleport to literally anywhere they want to. Sure the limit for Minato was only where he had a marking, but still there was no "range" to it. He could teleport to half-way across the world if he wanted to. And we know it is not dimension hoping because there is no indication of such a thing. Sasuke doesn't seem to go into any dimension at all. It could be a space-time manipulation, but it doesn't necessarily mean a teleport.
 
If it is a teleport, why couldn't Sasuke catch up with Madara faster or even pop into between Kakashi and Madara? If there is a range, teleport hop. Teleport to the maximum range, close the distance, and then teleport again. Keep doing it until you reach where you want to go. Minato has done that several times so why not Sasuke do it?

Perhaps the space-time manipulation is not teleportation, but slowing down time around you. Like how Neo does it in the Matrix. A sort of ninja bullet time.

That still doesn't make sense though....it doesn't look like teleporting to me. Space-time manipulation maybe, but I don't think it is the kind that allows you to teleport.
 
 


Sasuke jutsu is a form of teleportation and is better and i say that because teleportation is weaker than being capable of manipulating the opponents position(which is also a teleport) but this is incribly OP.
Sasuke is doing that, he manipulated Madara's position and even if he's incribly faster it renders him almost impossible to dodge their attacks.
Hiraishin makes him able to teleport to anywhere where it has a marks but against strong opponents like Madara it was useless because he needs to touch him first to mark him, and even if he marks the opponents is capble of counterattacking it.
With Madara he had to literally divide into two to be at least capable of escaping partly because Sasuke still managed to cut him in half.

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Posted 23 April 2014 - 01:11 PM

cool, SS fans are hoping that Sasuke will save Sakura...

Oh I bet they are I just hope that all their dreams will be crushed next week. Or the week after depending if we get a chapter next week that is.



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Posted 23 April 2014 - 01:20 PM

While madara popping in targeting sakura is sudden, its just that her getting killed so quickly and swiftly would be well, an anticlimax. I mean I wouldnt go full on red alert, like the time 469 and 615 first came up and that other chapter where sakura was hit by the tree, she was simply grazed where it was shikamaru in the critical state.

 

This is because, when any other major character has died, they usually had something of notability for it:

-Jiraya died knowing Naruto would succeed

-Neji died in the same matter of his father, not because it was his duty, because she chose to protect naruto and Hinata.

-Nagato died because of his changed resolved from Naruto.

-Itachi died twice first that sasuke would be free of the chaos and restart the uchiha the second time that no matter what happens, he would always love sasuke and otherwise that at his last moment he realized if he had told sasuke everything from the start, the whole massacre could have been prevented.

-Guy was about ready to die, using his full power and burning out to ash only to be saved by naruto.

 

Now take a look at this:

-Jirayas was due to fatigue and being outmatched, makes sense

-nejis was sudden but still had its sense and merits, a full circle effect of how he once looked down on naruto and resented hinata for his "duty" to the point he freely chose to protect them, etc.

-Nagato's was about faith in others even though he lost his, others like jiraya and konan(though who was following him no matter what)

-Itachi was trying to get sasuke to"win" and free him from the forced path, while fulfilling his duty as a leaf ninja, yet he made mistakes but realized that he should have just trusted sasuke from the start.

-Guy was ready to take it all and though he was saved by naruto, (he is a special case as he would die but was saved).

 

Yes Tsunade came close to death too but there wasn't any whole collection or realization during her critical moment.

 

But whats the difference here? Sakura in danger, even by madara this is again a time a main character is threatened.

 

Am I speaking out because of NS? Thats one part, but another is just plain the fact she is a main character and so much has happened, while the majority of the fandom (along with haters) are going, "Please die please die" or "hit her madara, throw that rod right through her!" Obviously with a fandom thats already gone crazy and following direct dialouge or events, there are other things they haven't considered.

 

-Sakura is a main character, like it or not, her plot armor is higher than most others, unless there is a reason beyond simply dying like rin this is just too simple and too sudden. While rin's death was important on Obito, Sakura is a character that has actually existed in the story for 670+ chapters, shes been part of the plot, in this development it mainly involves the aspect of well, a fate for team 7, not such a happy ending if she gets a chakra rod logged into her next chapter.

 

-This would in no way boost NH, even if it was a huge blast to NS and SS, it wouldn't help NH, this would run into exactly as I said before about a million times by now, Hinata at this point is just there, she is just there, she is a setpiece, kishi hasn't done much with her, fans went crazy over 615 for the hand holding but its been on neji to naruto, not the hand holding like it is on hinata. I said that if SP overblows 615, thats me being done with Hinata, but kishi himself may be doing that if he really is serious about killing off sakura. It would literally be the biggest fodder pairing ever, literally, Hinata loves him because she already did, not like how Sakura actually experienced, you know, change, dynamics, development. If anything, sakura dying is again, just reveal what NH really is, an overrated set piece.

 

- Its just that aspect of whats been thrown on, whats happened dynamic wise, what has occurred with development. Sakura's gone through changes, to suddenly die, its well this wouldn't rectify her situation with team 7 now would it? It would leave her unanswered, it would leave her not able to address the situation of naruto vs sasuke on her end. It would leave her unable to support naruto in his dream. This is what I mean, just like 469, only a few chapters before it, we got a reason why naruto couldnt just confess to her, now with this, 663 was only 11 chapters ago, remember how it was giving us a clear picture she supports his dream and wants him to make it? The whole reason for the final fight is over who becomes hokage, most likely if Tsunade steps down as it was in part her choice to let sasuke run free so it is something I can see her doing, but in this case, if the conflict is over hokage, then well obviously which character has been shown to focus on naruto's goal more than others? I dont know of any other characters like Sakura (expect Jiraya and Tsunade) that have internally wanted him to become hokage. Isn't it funny that the terms hokage and hinata have never existed in the same space of dialouge this whole series? Sakura doesn't love naruto but yet she supports his dream immensely.

 

The other deal is, well, just again in situations like this, take a good look at the buildup thread, look at everything sakura has done or gone through, see her character evolution where it counts (mentally). Now ask, will this suddenly go poof into nothing? I mean wasn't the Kushina foreshadow a good indicator of whats to come? Its either a form of plot armor in a sense for Sakura if kishi is bringing NS or its pointless now and ended the moment 631 came. Yet he still hasn't made any long term hints for NH. See again, we have a conflict of interests. While many of the same fans today are again just chanting kill sakura, this is the main deal for me, how can anyone just expect this stuff to well, vanish into nothing? I'm going by just plain her progression in the story, from a girl who knew nothing of others to learning about them, to growing stronger, to experiencing many trials with the actions and impacts from both her teammates, and so on, only to be just written off by a rod thrown at her while trying to destory an eye? She is a main character, I mean I know kishi isnt the best with female characters but when these characters were to die, they got some realization, some focus on their own past, something that impacted their resolve, and so on, Sakura just dying ASAP or slowly bleeding to death alone in the dimension (provided madara or BZ just force him in some way afterwards) it really seems just too anticlimatic to have sakura die alone with realizations that wouldnt have impacts unless others were around her. I mean Jiiraya, Nagato, and Itachi died with ideals they knew would come to Naruto and Sasuke, Sakura's aspects are not on ideals, they are on social situations, if she were to die then yes it would be about talking to her teammates if anything, but that cannot happen in the kamui dimension.

 

Aside from this LAP, theres also the general reasons:

 

-Sakura is a medic, having that seal and the ability to release it to a certain point so far as we have seen, she may just take the hit and endure it. I mean Tsunade took a freaking sussano sword to the gut and came out swinging literally, this is just a rod. Shouldn't Sakura be able to just endure the hit then? I mean its not going to be as terrible as what madara did to tsunade and while tsunade survived, this could be something protecting sakura.

 

-Obito is right there: Obito may be the plot armor for sakura and it can come in many ways, theres the stuff with rin, the fact he can turn her intangible or send her back, Obito is drained but not dead or useless, he just saved naruto so could we reason that perhaps he will save sakura? maybe its the rin's death shock he would recall and want to avoid, maybe the same deal would make him fear that naruto would then take off on the wrong path if the girl he liked dies? I see obito playing a hero.

 

I mean its amazing, its really amazing how fans are just again chanting Sakura death when theres still so much that needs to be done and so much that Hinata cannot just simply fulfill. In the prior though, its just that, so much has been thrown on sakura, killing her off makes no viable impact or purpose even in the midst of a battle, naruto gets angry and faces the same situation when obito killed neji. But neji's sacrifice had symbology to it at least, killing sakura is just because she was a target of opportunity, no going out with an effort like jiraya or itachi, no realizations, and so on.

 

I believe sakura is safe, theres a lot protecting her, the main deal is, I just cannot imagine how so much can just turn to nothing, shes been around the whole story. I see her either enduring the hit, or obito causing a save, not just sudden death at the hands of madara. I don't see Sasuke saving her as he cannot jump to the dimension, nor do i see naruto doing it, he is further away than sasuke. I see sakura's main shield as well her development. She has been along this entire time, to just axe her, its well no happy ending for team 7 then, fate is just a cruel cruel cruel jackass in this series, its again a huge middle finger to naruto, sure let naruto resolve all issues with sasuke, even ending madaras terror and this centuries long cycle of conflict with descendents of ashura and indra and the tailed beasts yet fate being just so much of an kitten, doesn't let him succeed with the girl he likes, fate feels it needs to be a huge ass to naruto like to obito and jiraya. I dont see this happening though, elments for team 7 very much do involve sakura and her dying leaves those unfulfilled.

 

This is how I see it, but again, like the tree event or the other pairing events where it seemed NS died, at this point, I'm not on red alert, mainly because just what would killing sakura solve at this point? what would it solve? She is important to the series, just making her go away and throwing hinata in is an easy way to just make a pairing and disregard other stuff like the kushina foreshadow, it just makes things so disorienting, its literally the use of just not writing about the who likes who subplot. On the actual main story, its just hard to imagine that he would kill off one of the mains so effortlessly without some event that others like Jiraya, nagato, and so on had.

 

Its even just well, Naruto himself, why should he not succeed with sakura? Its like a huge break in expectations, why can he not succeed with the girl he loves? I mean she supports his dream to the point she didnt want him to die? So is that still a reason she must go?

 

It is a simple scene but I had to say this because with some people getting ready to panic and kill sakura mode on again from every nutcase out there, I'm not saddened by the fact that we got a cliffhanger of her in danger, i'm saddened by the fact this is all people care about, for pairing fans its a hope to end her, for haters, they simply dont want her around despite her importance to the series. Because killing sakura solves everything, no in fact it doesn't killing sakura leaves more questions than answers, leaves unfulfilled plot holes, and just makes things so unorthadox, its just anticlimatic. Theres no merit in her dying so soon and otherwise if she were, it would need some event like others had, epscially considering she is a main character, one of the oldest in screentime by the series, how can people only expect or hope for her to just drop dead? Even if she got that death with realizations in the end it still leaves tons of broken plot events.

 

I mean its just the whole aspect of team 7, if we expect team 7 in the end how can you not have sakura? we know sasuke will be back, but what about sakura? Thats not an ending. Not to mention who is caught up the most in the conflict between naruto and sasuke? She isn't part of the conflict directly but I'd be willing to say after events like the promise, the land of iron, and what should come in the final battle, her role would have to be important in the aspect of them both dying. Her being dead before this happens is just, hard to imagine them fighting without her being there concerned for the both of them.

 

On the pairing side, we at least got hints, we at least got notions of NS being able to come, kushinas foreshadow was a practical (insert pairing into ending) moment, if 631 is really just pointless then why bother? Hinata hasn't gone anywhere, even if she were able to take part in this conflict, kishi wrote her not joining them but falling to the ground to eat dirt and he hasn't done anything with her since.

 

Sakura's death just doesn't make sense at this point, yes its a lot to make over a cliffhanger, but i seriously cannot imagine how people are expecting her to die and in all events just trying to break a rinnegan? Not by say you know, battle even if hopelessly outmatched against madara?

 

I think its a little sad that we need to wait 2 weeks for this to continue because now people are going to be making predictions of sakura death simply because its an excuse for they want sakura to die or for NH to occur.



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Posted 23 April 2014 - 01:29 PM

cool, SS fans are hoping that Sasuke will save Sakura...

I don't even know how the hell is that even possible. Even if Sasuke will be able to go the other dimension, thanks to Kishimoto's excellent asspulls. Sasuke won't save Sakura. What he will do is let Madara kill Sakura then he will attack Madara. Sasuke only saves people that are useful to him.

 

There are only a couple of possibilities for the current situation.

1. Obito saves Sakura with his Sharingan by either sending Madara's attack to the real world or by sending Sakura away.

2. Sakura dies.

3. Sasuke all of a sudden can use Obito's power and he will save Sakura, not going to happen.

4. Sakura fights against half of Madara's body and taking into consideration that she doesn't have any chakra left well you get the point.

So in the end Sakura is going to play the part of the damsel in distress. Please let me be wrong about this part and Kishimoto gives Sakura some well deserved action.


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Posted 23 April 2014 - 01:32 PM

I don't need Sakura to be a part of the main action. I just want her to do a few vital things so the anti-Sakura fans will have no choice but to shut up for a while. I would be perfect if it contributed to Madara's demise.

 

She did when she saved Naruto, cutting him open to massage his heart.

She did when she lectured the alliance...

 

But still, they won't shut up.

I think they will never shut up.


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Posted 23 April 2014 - 01:35 PM

I don't even know how the hell is that even possible. Even if Sasuke will be able to go the other dimension, thanks to Kishimoto's excellent asspulls. Sasuke won't save Sakura. What he will do is let Madara kill Sakura then he will attack Madara. Sasuke only saves people that are useful to him.

 

There are only a couple of possibilities for the current situation.

1. Obito saves Sakura with his Sharingan by either sending Madara's attack to the real world or by sending Sakura away.

2. Sakura dies.

3. Sasuke all of a sudden can use Obito's power and he will save Sakura, not going to happen.

4. Sakura fights against half of Madara's body and taking into consideration that she doesn't have any chakra left well you get the point.

So in the end Sakura is going to play the part of the damsel in distress. Please let me be wrong about this part and Kishimoto gives Sakura some well deserved action.

True I will agree that Sasuke will not save Sakura as to him at least Sakura is useless to him and what he wants.

 

as for what you said may happen well at this point in time we just don't really know what could happen I mean as you said she has little power but she might shock us in holding him back or at least destroy the Rinnegan before Madara gets his hands on it.



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Posted 23 April 2014 - 01:36 PM

@Inferno180 nobody thinks Sakura is going to die next chapter, that's why i'm pissed off, because Sakura has been put in another f***ing situation where she needs saving. The only way i'll be satisfied is if she saves herself,, not by Sasuke not by Naruto not by Obito but by herself...it's getting beyond a joke how often getting attacked whilst her back is turned trope has been used on her. First during her stabbing Sasuke attempt, then when the Zetsu clones fooled her into letting them in the medical tent, then when she unlocked the seal power thing, and now again...there is a limit to reusing the same tropes on one person, and Kishi has passed that point already.


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Posted 23 April 2014 - 01:37 PM


Why Because he is Sasuke, with his special Sauce...it would be no surprise if Kishi pulled another Sharingan miracle out of his arse and Sasuke can suddenly travel to the Limbo world too. Didn't you get get the link between the two powers? Madara can summon a clone from Limbo World, Sasuke can see it and Obito can travel to it.

 

Also http://www.mangapand...m/naruto/674/10 looks like he used his eye to summon NAruto's black rod thing and stab Madara with it.

 

 

There is no proof at all that Kamui and limbo are the same world.

 

cool, SS fans are hoping that Sasuke will save Sakura...

 

That would be bullsh** for him to be able to get into Kamui.

However, if he manages to get in Kamui, it would be so lol if Sakura would only ask him about Naruto =D lol

 

 

Sasuke jutsu is a form of teleportation and is better and i say that because teleportation is weaker than being capable of manipulating the opponents position(which is also a teleport) but this is incribly OP.
Sasuke is doing that, he manipulated Madara's position and even if he's incribly faster it renders him almost impossible to dodge their attacks.
Hiraishin makes him able to teleport to anywhere where it has a marks but against strong opponents like Madara it was useless because he needs to touch him first to mark him, and even if he marks the opponents is capble of counterattacking it.
With Madara he had to literally divide into two to be at least capable of escaping partly because Sasuke still managed to cut him in half.

 

Maybe I'm an idiot, but I don't get Sasuke's new power. Is there any evidence that he can manipulate objects positions ? Can someone be kind enough to explain this to me please ?

 

If that's really the case, then I guess Kishi did that in order to make Sasuke a match for Naruto Hiraishin when they will fight in the last arc.

 

Also, there is no proof in this chapter that Naruto already used Hiraishin, but since he took his father's kunai, IMO it's kind of obvious that he will have Hiraishin.


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Posted 23 April 2014 - 01:46 PM

there are a few of possibilities from now

 

1)Obito will kamui the black stick which is throwing towards Sakura.

2)Obito will pull Sakura off from thetrajectory of the black stick.

3)Sasuke will manage to get into Kamui world and save Sakura

 

at the end, I realize that there are not so much possibilities :/


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Posted 23 April 2014 - 01:51 PM

there are a few of possibilities from now
 
1)Obito will kamui the black stick which is throwing towards Sakura.
2)Obito will pull Sakura off from thetrajectory of the black stick.
3)Sasuke will manage to get into Kamui world and save Sakura
 
at the end, I realize that there are not so much possibilities :/

I'm wondering.....
Can Minato or Tobirama use their space-time jutsu to go to Kamui dimension? Obito is marked right?
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Posted 23 April 2014 - 01:51 PM

So Madara didn't have any way to at lease get a chance to get back his left eye so Kishi needed to go to the full extend of having him stole Kakashi's right eye so he could Kamui himself to the other dimension but for some reason Sasuke will get the Kamui power out of nowhere for the power of love. hbNJ6C0.png

 

Yes Kishi love Sasuke and bla bla bla but if Kishimoto show that the only way to get to Obito was by Madara stealing Kakashi's eye then for Sakura and Obito the only possible scenario are.

 

Obito saving her by pushing her aside or teleport her to the real world.

Sakura gating stab and Obito loosing his eye with Madara leaving them half dead but Obito uses his last power to send her back.

or Obito and Sakura return to the real word with Madara following them so Obito can get a closure with Kakashi.


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Posted 23 April 2014 - 01:52 PM

I'm wondering.....
Can Minato or Tobirama use their space-time jutsu to go to Kamui dimension? Obito is marked right?

 

that was never been stated... wasn't the obito's hiraishin marking gone after he became the juubi's jinchuuriki?


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Posted 23 April 2014 - 01:53 PM

@harry
Thanks

Is this the sixth or seven chapter of this volume?

Btw how can people think sasuke will suddenly show up and save sakura?
He only saw the limbo not kamui.

Edited by rocci, 23 April 2014 - 01:55 PM.


#157 Otaru

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Posted 23 April 2014 - 01:53 PM

there are a few of possibilities from now

 

1)Obito will kamui the black stick which is throwing towards Sakura.

2)Obito will pull Sakura off from thetrajectory of the black stick.

3)Sasuke will manage to get into Kamui world and save Sakura

 

at the end, I realize that there are not so much possibilities :/

 

ah yeah he could do that, kamui the black stick.

 

But IMO, there will be more drama than this. I think Kishi doesn't want an easy way out here.

 

To me it could be some of these :

Obito just put himself in the trajectory of the stick, shielding Sakura

Obito put himself in the trajectory, and let the stick pierce his rinnegan

Sakura is stabbed because Obito can't move anymore and Sozo Saisei herself

 

I think blood will be shown.

 

However, I think Kishi will go for Obito protects her.

Well, we'll see, maybe he will surprise us in a good way...


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#158 Dkey

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Posted 23 April 2014 - 01:53 PM

there are a few of possibilities from now

 

1)Obito will kamui the black stick which is throwing towards Sakura.

2)Obito will pull Sakura off from thetrajectory of the black stick.

3)Sasuke will manage to get into Kamui world and save Sakura

 

at the end, I realize that there are not so much possibilities :/

 

it's also possible that Sakura could get hit but recover using the byakugou.



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Posted 23 April 2014 - 01:55 PM

Anyone else feeling a Sakura/Rin comparison from Obito in the next chapter?


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#160 六道仙人

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Posted 23 April 2014 - 01:58 PM

that black stuffes can't allow you to use norma ninjutsu. You must use the senjutsu in order to annul their effects.. you can take the tobirama's example... He didn't neither moving nor using his jutsu while he was impaled with those black stuffes. If Sakura will be hit by that black stick, he won't be able to use her byakugou. She needs that someone who has senjutsu chakra pull out that black stuff from her body. Obito can do that now?


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