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Canonically, we don't know who Salad's mother is. They left it too ambiguous and no explanations. Even Naruto supports the idea that Salad is not biologically Sakura's child, but is her adopted mother.
 

Sorry, but all the "obvious kitten" does not convince me otherwise.
How did they concieve a child when Sasuke and Sakura have spent no time together? Literally, spent no time with each other. Even Sakura says they only spent two and a half minutes with each other at most. The Hiden novels don't reveal anything either.
How did Sakura know where Karin was and one of Orochimaru's hideouts? There is no way she would know.
Sakura knows nothing about Sasuke. I mean, nothing at all, and they still have Salad question her mother's biological parentage and even wedding.

I'm sorry, but Sakura will never be Salad's biological mother because there is no possible way she can be.

 

 

And hey, we have to take filler as fact because apparently all of the Naruto fillers are fact now seeing how that is the only way NH got development.

It is bull they keep picking and choosing what is canon and what isn't every time a question needs answered. One minute, something is canon and then the next it is non-canon until a question comes up and then it is canon again.

I am of the opinion that Sakura, as a medical ninja, just acquired some of Sasuke's DNA and artificially impregnated herself.  that makes much more sense in MY MIND  And I can't be wrong because they never confirmed Medical ninjutsu can't do that. And since Medical/biological tech and manipulation seem advanced enough to clone, why can't they create artificial insemination?............ THAT'S WHAT I THOUGHT!

Well those are my thoughts IF Sakura is in fact the biological mother, indisputably 

They say NS has no development, but whenver they talk about NH development, all they talk about is the stupid Pein arc confession. Some how that one scene makes up for 99% of their development. "Oh Hinata confessed to Naruto. Now she all of a sudden knows everything about his life. Naruto? Nah, he doesn't need to know anything. As long as Hinata knows, that is all that matters." Are these people serious?

Ridiculous. I am so sick of them ignoring all of NS scenes and how they connect. I am so sick of hearing Hinata everytime this series gets brought up. One day I want to challenge these people to a debate and really put them on the fly instead of letting them just made a dumb video saying the same kitten over and over again.

 

 

BECAUSE  hinata fans feel that since Hinata confessed to Naruto, Naruto will FINALLY "want to marry her and get in her pants". Clearly that was not the case since they needed to make "Hinata the first movie" to have that even feasible

Yes and not just what was WRITTEN but also all the implications it brings  

True enough, If Sarada IS actually Karin's daughter which logic would obviously point to. I mean honestly, Why would KARIN be the one keeping Sarada's umbilical cord? traditional or not, the umbilical cord of a mother's child is very personal to the mother, so why wouldn't Sakura keep it anyway?

The *sigh* Minato scene.
 



 
What happens in this scene? Yes, that's really all there is to this. Sakura is healing Naruto. Minato arrives and asks if she's Naruto's girlfriend. Naruto says yes after some hesitation. Sakura punishes him for this in a comical fashion. Minato notes the resemblance to Kushina, with associated flashback, and tells her to take care of his son. It's not clear if she agreed to this or even acknowledged the comment.

 

Minato, for future reference, is Naruto's DEAD father, who he will never see again after today.
 
What is the significance of this? Okay, let's start at the beginning. What is happening? Naruto is being healed by Sakura. Minato, for some reason, when seeing this scene, gets the idea that this kunoichi is an important person to Naruto, and not just some random medical ninja. There is no reason to think he knew she was his teammate at all. So... WHY does he get that idea? Who knows, but Kishimoto had him get that idea. Very strange decision given the ending.
 
Minato asks if Sakura is Naruto's girlfriend. Minato, for some reason, when seeing this scene, gets the idea that Sakura isn't merely an important person to Naruto, but actually his love interest. Actually, not a mere love interest. His actual girlfriend. Why does he get this idea? Who knows, but Kishimoto decided to do this as well. Very strange decision.
 
Naruto actually says YES. Why would he say yes if he doesn't have feelings for Sakura (anymore)? WHO KNOWS? There's nothing funny about it! He's sheepishly trying to tell his father that he actually really likes this girl who is a lot like his mother. This is not something to laugh at. Kishimoto decided to do this. Very strange. And later, when he's saying goodbye to his father, he does admit that he didn't fulfill the promise to his mother yet. Even though Sakura hasn't even betrayed him yet. How did he know that was going to happen? And yet he said this. It's not even consistent about being tragically pathetic.
 
Sakura headbutts him. This is mildly amusing. Tsundere. Whatever.

Minato notes the resemblance to Kushina. Why note the resemblance to Kushina, whether or not it exists, if she's not supposed to be with Naruto? Completely bizarre.
 
Minato says, "Take care of my son." What does this mean? It means be with my son and eventually take care of him as his wife. Don't tell me it could have meant take care of his injuries. Kushina wasn't a f***ing medic nin!
 
Kishimoto completely screws with the reader. This was happening the entire time. Strange decision, since the readers are the ones that give him his money.
 
So what does this mean for NaruSaku? It means that it is going to become canon. There is no other interpretation that would justify the inclusion of this. Minato didn't need to say those things. Minato didn't even need to be there. The scene didn't even need to happen. And yet it did. For, evidently no, reason.
 
Did Naruto love Sakura at this point? Apparently, since he said she was his girlfriend.
 
Did Sakura love Naruto at this point? Apparently, since she didn't even bother to deny it!

 

Minato's question was directed at Sakura. She chose to not answer and let Naruto's response stand without correcting Minato or even Naruto.
 
Seriously, let's consider the situation here. You're Sakura. Naruto is your best friend. You are going to let him continue to harbor a belief that you are willing to be with him, when you have no such desire and would instead rather wait years for Sasuke to come back, whereupon he will treat you about as well as trash that someone threw out of their car on the highway. Does this make any sense to anyone? Why would Sakura do this? Even if she is, in fact, a gigantic garbage fire, there's nothing to be gained by misleading Naruto in this way. He would be heartbroken. He would feel so betrayed and defeated. Sakura would never do this. If you need to ask why she would never do this, you haven't been paying enough attention to the other posts. Well, she actually would do this, because Sakura would never choose to be with Sasuke in the way that it happened. Or, realistically, at all. But that's a topic for a different day. Basically every other day except this one. This day is just about how stupid it is that these manga panels exist.
 
Rating: 5. There's no other rating to give it. It's just Kishimoto trying to f*** with everyone, or he just didn't even care to change what he storyboarded or planned to do. It's ridiculous, in every conceivable way. No part of this should have happened if he intended to do the ending that he did.
 
I don't even want to give this the satisfaction of my even bothering to write about it anymore.
 

 
So I won't.

5. I don't even need to explain this scene. Everyone is thinking the same thing. This in fact, was the HIGHLIGHT of our shipping happiness

OH PSHHHHHHHHH, All Naruto needed to do was LOOK IN HINATA'S DIRECTION and Pro enders would  be like" HOW ROMANTIC, NARUTO TOTALLY PROPOSED TO HER!!!!! THEY ARE A MATCH MADE IN HEAVEN!!!!! " trollolololololololol

Well that depends on Horikoshi doesn't it? If he gives up on BnHA towards the end then maybe we will get the same crap like Naruto. But other than that, if Chibireviews is saying NS has no development compared to NH then he REALLY is an effing blind Hinatard fapping jinx just like Saywer7mage and Forneverworld and is talking out of his @$$ just like them. The REASON ships ruined Naruto was because the story was blown up with a NUCLEAR BOMB to MAKE WAY for a ship that had little if any development to begin with. Unless BnHA goes that route too, then ships are not ruining it, and there is no romantic plot tumor melodrama anywhere either. Hell, even Ochako is trying to set aside her budding feelings for Izuku so that she can focus on her goal to be an aspiring future heroine which is more than any love crazy girl in Naruto ended up doing.

Yup they either rage and pretend it didn't happen or they pull the "it is only filler card."

For instance if any  Hinata fan saw that moment we are discussing right now, they would say, OH NO Sakura seems like she considered Naruto's feelings before and Ino is saying Naruto used to be crazy about her? Must be filler, after all Naruto can have no other first love then the sexy, perfect titty #^&* material waifu Hinata Hyuga-megami-sama.

And actually yeah, I too WOULD like to see NH and SS divorce and NS becomes canon. not as a consolation prize or anything and that would not make me crawl back to the series at all. But I would love to see the fanatical NH and SS shippers rage, cry tears of blood, scream in denial and shout it is not canon and I would just say, If it has Kishimoto's seal of approval then it IS CANON, isn't that what all of you said it was when your couples became official? "RESPECT THE CANON!!!!"       Again that would be a highlight of MY LIFE.

I don't think it has anything to do with impression, but rather we never thought Kishimoto would have given up so easily. Remember, many other mangaka fought against such things such as force changes and they kept their wits about their story. Kishimoto didn't.

If we knew that fan infleunce can change a story we would have voiced it harder years ago. No see, we had far more respect for Kishimoto than anyone else ever gave him. We thought he could do better. We thought he could fix it. If anything, we didn't force him to do anything.All of these "pro-enders" and such that say we need to respect Kishimoto or whatnot, but did they really respect him if they kept telling him and sending his garbage like "Make NH canon or else?"

It's funny that the fans who preach the most about respect and "love" are the ones who don't have any of it at all. They say respect the ending and the canon, but as soon as something doesn;t happen the way they wanted it they reject it outright or believe it went something different. They say we need to give thanks to Kishimoto, but again first to kitten of he does anything against HInata. They say we need to accept the canon and NH ending, but it is THEM who can;t accept that things are horrible, dysfuncational, and down right forced.

"Why can't you accept that NH is canon when it is so obvious?"

"Why can't you accept that NH is a massive retcon, Kishimoto never liked or wanted Hinata to be in the story, and anything good about HInata is a fictious view you have on the story that has no canon backing with Sakura being the true heroine of the story when all of it was so obvious? Yeah, when you accept all that, then I will accept NH canon. Until them....you can take your "canon" and shove it."

Yeah exactly. My point is, We COULD have done what they did to make NS canon. we chose not. that is the difference here. And funnily enough, as you say, by choosing not to interfere with the shipping and RAGING to get what we want, we actually respect the author and his story WAY WAY than any of those hypocrites ever did. If they feel threatened by any NS moments at all, they send death threats and troll the $#!& out of anything and anyone they can find, towards Kishimoto especially. When there were NH moments, sure we were upset, but at least we were respectful enough to just vent everything out here to ourselves and not be taking it out on anyone else.

Side topic. I am never upset about NH moments themselves actually, I was just SICK of all the negativity that I have seen throughout the years towards NaruSaku, and that those fanatical Hinata fans that want her to get Naruto despite any logical evidence suggesting so were potentially being proven right.

hmmm.....


So let me get this straight...
Konohamaru knew Naruto loved Sakura
Shikamaru knew Naruto loved Sakura
The frogs knew Naruto loved Sakura
Minato knew Naruto loved Sakura

and now even Ino knew Naruto loved Sakura.

HOW CAN PEOPLE SAY NARUTO NEVER LOVED SAKURA WHEN ALMOST EVERY SINGLE CHARACTER KNEW NARUTO LOVED SAKURA?.

 

What I find so LAUGHABLY inconsistent, is that Sakura is acting like Naruto having loved her means something here when it was from HER OWN MOUTH that said Naruto only saw her as a prize to be won by one upping Sasuke. You'd think because she said that, She'd respond with "No he was just confused. He didn't know that it was Hinata he loved and wanted all along". Why the EFF is she blushing and acting embarrassed like Naruto's former love for her is a big deal if she called it a rivalry game and led him on DESPITE knowing it was a rivalry game. that is what I want to know. One of the Hinata worshiping  pedo-clown faction of SP's many writing inconsistencies.

Just because she has a great and beloved legend and mythology behind her character does not make her a good villain

Well guys, not that I disagree with anything said about Kakshi's teaching methods, but let's be honest here, the real issue was that there was little to no thought put into Naruto and Sakura's powers compared to Sasuke, and that is solely because Sasuke is the creator's pet and by extension all Uchiha.

I mean if we really are going to blame Kakashi for not teaching Naruto or Sakura anything, doesn't that extend to Jiraiya and Tsunade too? Jiraya knew Naruto would be targeted by Akatsuki and therefore taught him Rasengan, but why didn't he teach Naruto anything else. wouldn't it have made more sense to teach Naruto other abilities to keep him more versatile for any threat because teaching Naruto only rasengan and some rudimentary form of control (if you can call it that) over Kurama's chakra essentially makes him a limited one trick pony that can't deal with other situations. A bigger Rasengan is STILL a Rasengan, and therefore has all the faults and limitations of Rasengan and now Naruto wastes more chakra performing it. Plus isn't teaching Naruto to use tail beast chakra more counter productive than a benefit, since Akatsuki is after him for that very reason, so wouldn't that just make it easer for them to gain access to it? Point is, Naruto was no better prepared to deal with Akatsuki when Jiraiya trained him. Deidara  for instance, exploited the fact that Naruto was a close range fighter with no projectile attacks to speak of. Also why was it not Jiraiya  that teaches Naruto elemental manipulation? If Minato told Kakashi about his intent to fuse a chakra element into Rasengan, I'm pretty sure he told Jiraiya too, because there was no flashback indicating he only shared this knowledge with Kakashi. 

As for Tsunade and Sakura, well they ARE medics so they do actually need to save chakra to heal but here is the thing. Tsunade should know that a medic should be as susceptible as anyone else to being attacked, and probably even more so if someone decided to target the medic first. And let's be real, teaching a medic to dodge is a limited skill and can only deal with attacks a medic can see or react to, which is beyond their ability if it is an instantaneous or impossibly quick ninjutsu, or even bombs. So why doesn't she create a medical fighting style that can  handles heavy ninjutsu users and use as little chakra as possible to protect her life since a medic must survive to ensure the team survives? And Why couldn't she teach this to Sakura?

My argument utimately is, if we are going to blame a teacher for Naruto' and Sakura's lack of growth compared to sasuke, It is not the fault of just a single teacher. The real reason that they seem so limited in skill and abilities is be beacuse Kishimoto was to busy jacking off to and character shilling the Uchiha to bother with Naruto and Sakura. Plain and simple

Wow!!! I never thought of it like that! But Sarada being SK's kid would have presented some unique challenges and situations. And she would have been a much more interesting character.

 

As it is now, Sarada is very much Sasuke's child and not at all Sakura's. 

YUP like I said, She is just a female Sasuke, that makes a hetero NaruSasu possible vicariously. traits from her (adopted?) mother don't pop up unless it's for comedy. But I really don't care who the eff Boruto ends up with, because wither way is hypocritical on the writer's part anyway. BoruSara is going to be a GD cop out of the typical MC X tsundere pairing to which NH fans will cry foul for  because Boruto is being with an abusive B*%#$ just like they prayed that his jack@$$ father wouldn't go for. Whereas BoruSumi would be consistent,but then BoruSara supporters would say that destroys the established relationship Boruto and Sarad have. LIKE OMIGOD where have I heard THAT BEFORE? I will just enjoy throwing these hypocrites' anti- NaruSaku arguments right back at them

No, it was not a lack of integrity, but too much integrity from people who weren't Kishimoto. She not only was NOT supposed to be Naruto's wife, but she wasn't supposed to be anything more than a one-off background character period, but it is her fans that ruined everything.

I am not talking about Sawyer7mage either, I am talking about her obessed fans at the head of SP and their intentions to make Hinata more important than she actually by focusing so much attention on her. The head of the Studio Pierrot who thought: "You know? kitten all the other characters, let's focus all of it on Hinata."

"Hinata was destroyed as well." No, she wasn't, because you have to have something there first before something can be destroyed. Hinata has nothing before that. She was nothing. This is why she had nothing else going for her except the stupid obsession she had. This is why she was never in the manga at all because Kishimoto did not care about her. No, she was not destroyed...she was created. She was created to be better than even the main character himself. The only reason why she isn't in more fights is because she doesn't have to be because they always make "Naruto-kun" rescue her or one of the other people to do it.

"Naruto?" More like "Hinata Hyuga and her slaves."

You know she has to be so perfect that even her daughter offspring can beat Naruto. What happens when a "fan fantasized" Mary Sue produces as actual Mary Sue?

Yeah, since when was Hinata's character destroyed? If anything her character is the only one that stayed intact, and to a way lesser degree Sasuke, but that is besides the point. The fact is, Hinata is as consistent as the day she was created, N-Naruto-kun, his "never give up attitude" and his JUICY C*%&  are ALL that is on her mind, and takes priority over anything else in her life. Her brats don't matter, (she abandoned them to go try and FAIL to rescue her beloved man candy in the Boruto movie), her sister doesn't matter ( everyone remembers how she was fussing more over a scarf that whe was making for Naruto/Boruto's dad when Hanabi' eyes were taken right?), and her FAMILY ISSUES DON'T MATTER as she couldn't care less about the whole scrutiny between the Hyuga's main family and the branch family, nor that her cousin and uncle died as slaves to that biased system as long as she can get that hunky, sex on legs plus personality that she wished she always had, "N-NARUTO-KUN!!!!!!" And no I'm not exaggerating, this comes STRAIGHT FROM all source materials  

 

I think The War Arc was when Kishimoto really gave up. Now whether or not the changes were good or bad (mostly bad) you can see Kishimoto begin this "I give up, do whatever you want and I just draw" when his editors started to take control. I am making a small list here of things I know were changed due to editor influence and most happen after the Pein Arc.

 

-Kishi said the Kakuzu and Hidan arc was suppose to be longer but SJ told him to cut it short to get back to Sasuke. And that Hidan was suppose to return in the War arc but he admitted that he literally got lazy with drawing and didn’t want to add more characters because it meant drawing them.

-Kishi has repeatedly said Sakura is the heroine even well into the War Arc, only to turn around and claim Hinata was always the heroine after the series ended. His editors and SJ also kept pushing for Hinata to be the heroine for along time.

-Kishi said Sasuke and Naruto were suppose to be holding hands in 698 but SJ told him he can’t do that.

-Sasuke wasn’t even suppose to exist and was added at the suggestion of his editors.

-Same thing for the Chunin Exams Arc, Kishi’s editors literally told him he had to do it instead of his original idea of slowly introducing many characters over several chapters/arcs and he regrets not being able to do what he wanted. He just wanted to show Naruto going on missions and learning about the outside world.

-Once again, even Orochimaru and his involvement in the Chunin Exams Arc was not his decision. His editors told him he needed a villain and that he had to make the Chunin Exams not finish. Shikamaru was also suppose to be the winner, instead of losing to Temari.

-Kishi admitted the idea of Kekkei Genkai, Sharingan and the like in the Land of Waves arc was just a “bluff” that he did not plan on getting in to at all.

-The Mifune/Hanzo fight was cut short because his editors hated it and told him he needed to end it very quickly and get back to the main cast, but Kishi really wanted to write it.

-Pretty much the entire Kobayashi interview is Kishi going “I didn’t know what I was doing the majority of the time and when I did know what I was doing my editors made me do something else because they didn’t like it.”

I am sure you guys can think of more.

Would it be so hard to believe that NH and SS were NOT Kishimoto's decision at all and was really the product of forced involvement by the SP or SJ teams? I would like to think so. Does this make Kishimoto blameless? No, but I really think there was more to it than is put on. The Naruto the Last movie was in production two years before the ending of Naruto which means it was planned to force NH together by the end. Now why would you need to do that if NH was going to be canon anyway? You wouldn't. It was a forced hand put on Kishimoto saying "You need to make NH canon because we made the movie about NH." This is why Kishimoto was so ambiguous.

This also feels like why a lot of the plot points seem out of place.

Well, there you go. Kishimoto was not writing Naruto, he was doing what anyone else WANTS him to do. So again, it's very success was a fluke and someone else should have been the writer to take charge of the story. Of course I believe Sakura was Yahagi's idea too 

Oh they are WAY PAST desperate now. After all, what did the out come of making NH canon prove? NH fans were vocal minority that did NOT contribute to the financial success of this franchise for the most part and they alienated and pissed off almost all of the actual fans that were invested in the series and put money into the executives' pockets. they could appeal to NH all they want, NH fans alone does not let them break even on expenses. Not to my knowledge anyway