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Posted 18 May 2019 - 04:03 AM

You know what would have made me like Hinata? If she realized that she wasn't the one for Naruto and that she moves on and became a leader for the Hyuuga clan.

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Posted 18 May 2019 - 01:56 PM

Sakura crushed on Sasuke, but it wasn't to the point where she was a kittening stalker like with Hinata.

Which is even sadder when you think about it...whether real or fake...Sakura at least attempted to try and help Sasuke with his issues...not once did Hinata ever try and help Naruto. Hinata NEVER supported Naruto in anything. Not once did she ever really cheer on Naruto. Not even in her own head. She saw him just as pathetic as everyone said he was, but Sakura supported both Sasuke and Naruto.

Instead of a girl who says "Stop being a p***y and actually make a difference" she is like "It is okay if you want to give up and be pathetic...I'll love you no matter what." No. Real relationships...true love will have your significant other saying "Stop crying and do something. You are not pathetic. You are more powerful than this."


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Posted 18 May 2019 - 06:54 PM

Right! And it's canon that Sakura was bullied and a bit of an outcast among her peers as a child. It didn't change until Ino stood up for her. Yet Hinata is the one who has that retconned so Naruto can have some history with her. This is just shows the chasm of differences between those two characters, even from a young age. 

 

And Sakura's story is so much richer/fuller, and SO MUCH LIKE NARUTO'S LIFE that it's crazy he ended up with Hinata, whom he had no interaction with and literally nothing in common with, at any point in their history.

 

Even in helping Sasuke, Sakura is still true to her core character. She never changes. She works hard and reaches out, over and over. Her trying to save Sasuke doesn't take away from her hidden/future feelings for Naruto. In fact, it shows that she's capable of growth. From a crush to real love. But that she's still the same person — she doesn't have to change for either one. And Naruto loved her the whole time for that.

 

But enter Hinata.... And everything goes out the window. Naruto blindly falls for someone who doesn't deserve him and that he doesn't love, and Sakura is shoved off on Sasuke, who doesn't love her.



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Posted 18 May 2019 - 07:22 PM

With Naruto and Sakura, everything was so......natural. There was no forced cringing romantic moments to beat the audience over the heads that these two are a couple, they just interacted with each other in a comfortable non-awkward yet still intimate manner. They weren't showcasing how much they DESERVE to be in love with each other like some prize, they showed the organic and realistic steps in falling in love. That is what made them so convincing. they have shown time and again that they are each other's emotional pillar and comfort the other during tough times. Yet they show to have a healthy and and normal social life and have fleshed out personality even without the other around, that what makes them such a wonderful couple. Yet all of that was ignored for %#$^ing FAN SERVICE and WISH FULFILLMENT :superior:  


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Posted 18 May 2019 - 08:19 PM

Well, remember guys and girls Hinata needed HER happy ending everything else didn't matter to SP I mean come on they are the same people who did a filler of Hinata dancing naked at a waterfall.

 

So yeah, they would take plot lines and backstories from other characters because Hinata is only a plank of wood with one goal get Naruto's D inside her, nothing more and nothing else. Which when we all think about it's sad, again I would have killed her off or look at Tyrannt's video on what if Sasuke died part 3 on what happened to Hinata. 

 

And people still saying Hinata would get bullied when even James pointed out in his podcast it made no sense her whole clan had white eyes. 



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Posted 19 May 2019 - 04:21 AM

Whoever made the decision to go with NH/SS need to be called out so that they don't do the same in other franchises.

 

Since the ending, it is very obvious more than ever that Hinata and NH just doesn't sell. So, there's really no strong justification to make it canon other than appeasing minor fans and minor voices in the production department. It purely is, a bad business decision.

 

The story is not structured to support NH/SS until the last minute pivot. People complained the lack of development to make it canon and the foundation for its subsequent Buruto continuation. To build a continuation series, you'd need a strong foundation. The elements that support strong foundation is a good storytelling and a loyal fanbase. Both of which, Kishimoto removed --by all means, NS is just a side effect of a good storytelling about growth, sacrifice and achievements. It has the solid foundation that even if the series is to continue, it will at least be in a better position.

 

Someone made online recap on Boruto sales. It's not doing great (roughly 10% per volume of what Naruto used to sold in the past, even during its non-peak).

 

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Posted 19 May 2019 - 04:39 AM

Whoever made the decision to go with NH/SS need to be called out so that they don't do the same in other franchises.

 

Since the ending, it is very obvious more than ever that Hinata and NH just doesn't sell. So, there's really no strong justification to make it canon other than appeasing minor fans and minor voices in the production department. It purely is, a bad business decision.

 

The story is not structured to support NH/SS until the last minute pivot. People complained the lack of development to make it canon and the foundation for its subsequent Buruto continuation. To build a continuation series, you'd need a strong foundation. The elements that support strong foundation is a good storytelling and a loyal fanbase. Both of which, Kishimoto removed --by all means, NS is just a side effect of a good storytelling about growth, sacrifice and achievements. It has the solid foundation that even if the series is to continue, it will at least be in a better position.

 

Someone made online recap on Boruto sales. It's not doing great (roughly 10% per volume of what Naruto used to sold in the past, even during its non-peak).

 

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First week    Second Week   Third Week   Fourth Week   Fifth Week

1) 183,413         293,736            330,564          352,609          372,314

2) 116,905         229,257            266,939          290,008             OFF

3) 185,959         240,629            264,155          280,159             OFF

4) 136,286         200,272            222,467             OFF                OFF

5) 124,500         181,430            205,794          218,994             OFF

6)   96,221         160,055            182,712            OFF                 OFF

7) 112,201         145,430              OFF                OFF                 OFF

It was nice of someone else to also do this, and to even make a chart.

 

They are sticking with it either because they don't see it as profitable to cancel Boruto and start again, or to admit they kittened up. They make just enough off of Boruto to keep it going, but that doesn't mean everyone wants it to go on for forever. Kishi's replacement only wants to do about 25 volumes.


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Posted 19 May 2019 - 05:23 AM

Whoever made the decision to go with NH/SS need to be called out so that they don't do the same in other franchises.
 
Since the ending, it is very obvious more than ever that Hinata and NH just doesn't sell. So, there's really no strong justification to make it canon other than appeasing minor fans and minor voices in the production department. It purely is, a bad business decision.
 
The story is not structured to support NH/SS until the last minute pivot. People complained the lack of development to make it canon and the foundation for its subsequent Buruto continuation. To build a continuation series, you'd need a strong foundation. The elements that support strong foundation is a good storytelling and a loyal fanbase. Both of which, Kishimoto removed --by all means, NS is just a side effect of a good storytelling about growth, sacrifice and achievements. It has the solid foundation that even if the series is to continue, it will at least be in a better position.
 
Someone made online recap on Boruto sales. It's not doing great (roughly 10% per volume of what Naruto used to sold in the past, even during its non-peak).
 
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Posted 19 May 2019 - 03:55 PM

With Naruto and Sakura, everything was so......natural. There was no forced cringing romantic moments to beat the audience over the heads that these two are a couple, they just interacted with each other in a comfortable non-awkward yet still intimate manner. They weren't showcasing how much they DESERVE to be in love with each other like some prize, they showed the organic and realistic steps in falling in love. That is what made them so convincing. they have shown time and again that they are each other's emotional pillar and comfort the other during tough times. Yet they show to have a healthy and and normal social life and have fleshed out personality even without the other around, that what makes them such a wonderful couple. Yet all of that was ignored for %#$^ing FAN SERVICE and WISH FULFILLMENT :superior:  

It was clear from the earliest parts of the manga, the rules are that a woman can be fierce to everyone else but is kind/tender to the one she loves. Shika says this about his mother. Yamato and Sai say this about Sakura's actions to Naruto, and even Sasuke is aware that she treats Naruto differently. Jiraiya says this about Tsunade. And fast forward to the end, and Minato says this about Kushina, directly connecting her to Sakura!!!!!

 

So it's clear, from the beginning of the manga, that Sakura's storyline was to be fierce on the outside, even to Naruto when in public, but to have a big soft spot for Naruto that only Naruto sees. It is repeated over and over and over. This was her character evolution, not to stay with the person who has caused her the most pain, and killed more people than anyone else.

 

And never was it to be that hero falls for the wallflower, just because she's a nice person. It was never supposed to be that Naruto pulled Hinata out of her self-imposed obscurity because suddenly he thinks she's suddenly less weird or something!



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Posted 20 May 2019 - 03:34 PM

It was clear from the earliest parts of the manga, the rules are that a woman can be fierce to everyone else but is kind/tender to the one she loves. Shika says this about his mother. Yamato and Sai say this about Sakura's actions to Naruto, and even Sasuke is aware that she treats Naruto differently. Jiraiya says this about Tsunade. And fast forward to the end, and Minato says this about Kushina, directly connecting her to Sakura!!!!!

 

So it's clear, from the beginning of the manga, that Sakura's storyline was to be fierce on the outside, even to Naruto when in public, but to have a big soft spot for Naruto that only Naruto sees. It is repeated over and over and over. This was her character evolution, not to stay with the person who has caused her the most pain, and killed more people than anyone else.

 

And never was it to be that hero falls for the wallflower, just because she's a nice person. It was never supposed to be that Naruto pulled Hinata out of her self-imposed obscurity because suddenly he thinks she's suddenly less weird or something!

 

Exactly, Tricks! And that's why twisting it around by Studio Pierrot for them to get their rocks off making Hinata more relevant than she was is what hurt not just the narrative of the series, but also made it contradictory and hypocritical by claiming stuff like Sakura's nature near Naruto more than anyone else was just an act, that Naruto supposedly only loved Sakura because of his rivalry with Sasuke when Sasuke had no freaking interest in Sakura, and that it makes them both the biggest scumbags and hypocrites, almost making it feel like the NH and SS sycophants were right all along, only adding fuel to their "You're just salty!" arguments when we got proof of how things were meant to be, and how Naruto and Sakura, even with the stupid obstacles in their path from both of them, were made to be together.



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Posted 20 May 2019 - 06:22 PM

Right! And it's canon that Sakura was bullied and a bit of an outcast among her peers as a child. It didn't change until Ino stood up for her. Yet Hinata is the one who has that retconned so Naruto can have some history with her. This is just shows the chasm of differences between those two characters, even from a young age. 

 

And Sakura's story is so much richer/fuller, and SO MUCH LIKE NARUTO'S LIFE that it's crazy he ended up with Hinata, whom he had no interaction with and literally nothing in common with, at any point in their history.

 

Even in helping Sasuke, Sakura is still true to her core character. She never changes. She works hard and reaches out, over and over. Her trying to save Sasuke doesn't take away from her hidden/future feelings for Naruto. In fact, it shows that she's capable of growth. From a crush to real love. But that she's still the same person — she doesn't have to change for either one. And Naruto loved her the whole time for that.

 

But enter Hinata.... And everything goes out the window. Naruto blindly falls for someone who doesn't deserve him and that he doesn't love, and Sakura is shoved off on Sasuke, who doesn't love her.

And both the movie and the novelization of the movie make it very clear that it's not "love" or "falling for someone", but "shame", "guilt", etc. He basically only gets with her because he feels he owes her for not realizing her crush on him, which actually makes HIM look bad for just leading her on, hence the "the biggest scumbag" title only fits more.

 

Well, remember guys and girls Hinata needed HER happy ending everything else didn't matter to SP I mean come on they are the same people who did a filler of Hinata dancing naked at a waterfall.

 

So yeah, they would take plot lines and backstories from other characters because Hinata is only a plank of wood with one goal get Naruto's D inside her, nothing more and nothing else. Which when we all think about it's sad, again I would have killed her off or look at Tyrannt's video on what if Sasuke died part 3 on what happened to Hinata. 

 

And people still saying Hinata would get bullied when even James pointed out in his podcast it made no sense her whole clan had white eyes. 

And greatly extending her "fight" with Pein to make it look like she was actually "skilled" and giving him trouble because "POWAH OF LURVE" rather than be pathetically one-shot like the manga.

 

Whoever made the decision to go with NH/SS need to be called out so that they don't do the same in other franchises.

 

Since the ending, it is very obvious more than ever that Hinata and NH just doesn't sell. So, there's really no strong justification to make it canon other than appeasing minor fans and minor voices in the production department. It purely is, a bad business decision.

 

The story is not structured to support NH/SS until the last minute pivot. People complained the lack of development to make it canon and the foundation for its subsequent Buruto continuation. To build a continuation series, you'd need a strong foundation. The elements that support strong foundation is a good storytelling and a loyal fanbase. Both of which, Kishimoto removed --by all means, NS is just a side effect of a good storytelling about growth, sacrifice and achievements. It has the solid foundation that even if the series is to continue, it will at least be in a better position.

 

Someone made online recap on Boruto sales. It's not doing great (roughly 10% per volume of what Naruto used to sold in the past, even during its non-peak).

 

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NH was a ship that sunk as soon as it touched the water. As soon as the true purpose of The Last was revealed, merchandise sat dead on shelves, demands for refunds for preorder tickets exploded (but were refused), convention booths remained empty, and within months, Hinatatas was removed from the picture and buried in the background again. Even in Boruto, she's barely ever shown, and what few times she is, she's just as pathetic as she always was and/or obviously trying to be made to be like Sakura (especially the "scary mother" moment that tries to retcon her getting walked all over by Boruto early on).

EDIT: Heck, I think Hanabi has had more screen time than Hinatatas.

 

It was clear from the earliest parts of the manga, the rules are that a woman can be fierce to everyone else but is kind/tender to the one she loves. Shika says this about his mother. Yamato and Sai say this about Sakura's actions to Naruto, and even Sasuke is aware that she treats Naruto differently. Jiraiya says this about Tsunade. And fast forward to the end, and Minato says this about Kushina, directly connecting her to Sakura!!!!!

 

So it's clear, from the beginning of the manga, that Sakura's storyline was to be fierce on the outside, even to Naruto when in public, but to have a big soft spot for Naruto that only Naruto sees. It is repeated over and over and over. This was her character evolution, not to stay with the person who has caused her the most pain, and killed more people than anyone else.

 

And never was it to be that hero falls for the wallflower, just because she's a nice person. It was never supposed to be that Naruto pulled Hinata out of her self-imposed obscurity because suddenly he thinks she's suddenly less weird or something!

And that was the point of "Inner Sakura" a.k.a. "true" Sakura. It was made a point that what we see there is how she really feels and it's shown numerous times that she actually supports Naruto. Then, when Shippuden came around, you notice that "Inner Sakura" is no longer around, showing that Sakura had grown and was able to truly be herself around Naruto (like right at the beginning when shyly asking Naruto if she looked more womanly, something part one Sakura would not have been able to do. Or when she is able to hug or feed Naruto in public, and so on) and others.


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Posted 20 May 2019 - 08:56 PM

Well, remember guys and girls Hinata needed HER happy ending everything else didn't matter to SP I mean come on they are the same people who did a filler of Hinata dancing naked at a waterfall.
 
So yeah, they would take plot lines and backstories from other characters because Hinata is only a plank of wood with one goal get Naruto's D inside her, nothing more and nothing else. Which when we all think about it's sad, again I would have killed her off or look at Tyrannt's video on what if Sasuke died part 3 on what happened to Hinata. 
 
And people still saying Hinata would get bullied when even James pointed out in his podcast it made no sense her whole clan had white eyes.

Yes it's why the anime is awful ok maybe not awful but not good cause the story doesn't matter since most of it is filler so why care.
And I like tyrannt video he's timeline doesn't change that much and most the changes are for the better and neji feeling guilty can be done well to develop him.

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Posted 21 May 2019 - 03:56 AM

I don't remember much or watch of Boruto anime by this point. Hinata was there in the first arc often, particularly as the scary mom, but that was because that was the start of the slice of life stuff. If she still as relevant after they formed into teams I would not know. Hanabi was the perfect aunt as SP was finally able to give her a personality. She seemed someone they wanted to use often, and seemed to be setting her up with Konohamaru since he was Naruto's disciple/Bolt's teacher. Beyond that, I don't know. As for the manga...Hinata was really only there when it was absolutely required for her to be there. Beyond that they seemed more interested again in shoving the daughter in the spotlight. When they weren't focused on Nail.


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Posted 21 May 2019 - 02:05 PM

I don't remember much or watch of Boruto anime by this point. Hinata was there in the first arc often, particularly as the scary mom, but that was because that was the start of the slice of life stuff. If she still as relevant after they formed into teams I would not know. Hanabi was the perfect aunt as SP was finally able to give her a personality. She seemed someone they wanted to use often, and seemed to be setting her up with Konohamaru since he was Naruto's disciple/Bolt's teacher. Beyond that, I don't know. As for the manga...Hinata was really only there when it was absolutely required for her to be there. Beyond that they seemed more interested again in shoving the daughter in the spotlight. When they weren't focused on Nail.

I just don't get why SP wanted NH and SS, but then shows their marriages to be complete crap.



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Posted 21 May 2019 - 11:19 PM

I just don't get why SP wanted NH and SS, but then shows their marriages to be complete crap.

Haven't I explained this at least a dozen times already? Because Kishimoto made those relationship awful. Either intentionally or not.

 

Because it was Kishi's story the nH was on a rocky to love-less to none existent till at least Boruto's movie/Chunin exam, and for SS they haven't seen each-other for over twelve years (which the anime admittedly did add despite coming back to report back to Naruto constantly). So they had to have the pairing be that because it was kishi's story. SP could as well as did try lessening the negative image but if you look at the Boruto anime discussion page; anytime they tried to fix anything they shot themselves in the foot and made it worse.


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Posted 22 May 2019 - 01:35 AM

Haven't I explained this at least a dozen times already? Because Kishimoto made those relationship awful. Either intentionally or not.

 

Because it was Kishi's story the nH was on a rocky to love-less to none existent till at least Boruto's movie/Chunin exam, and for SS they haven't seen each-other for over twelve years (which the anime admittedly did add despite coming back to report back to Naruto constantly). So they had to have the pairing be that because it was kishi's story. SP could as well as did try lessening the negative image but if you look at the Boruto anime discussion page; anytime they tried to fix anything they shot themselves in the foot and made it worse.

I think what he is asking is why haven't they just made NH and SS the ultimate couples with them practically being perfect in every way. It would not be beneath them. Of course, we know they don't really give two craps about SS, but to make NH a mess without just hand waving Boruto loving his father extremely and having their family drama non-existent. Would it be a cop-out? Yeah, but what do they care? "NH is perfect."

I guess that is what we are really asking. Why even have Naruto's family have issues at all? They obviously don't care about the story since if they did, NS would be canon from the start.


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Posted 22 May 2019 - 02:05 AM

I think what he is asking is why haven't they just made NH and SS the ultimate couples with them practically being perfect in every way. It would not be beneath them. Of course, we know they don't really give two craps about SS, but to make NH a mess without just hand waving Boruto loving his father extremely and having their family drama non-existent. Would it be a cop-out? Yeah, but what do they care? "NH is perfect."

I guess that is what we are really asking. Why even have Naruto's family have issues at all? They obviously don't care about the story since if they did, NS would be canon from the start.

 

 

The answer is still the same. They are stuck with having to follow what Kishimoto wrote for them. They can't contradict that without breaking their narrative. Remember this is the story Kishimoto always wanted to happen after Naruto. The end pairing Kishimoto chosen were nH/SS. NS wasn't a romantic pairing. So on and so forth. Its afterwards (after the gaiden for SS, and after the chunin exam for nH) they can try and go about changing it, but they still have to work from their initial position. Which from what I understand is what they are trying to do..they just are failing at it in our eyes, and some of their fans'. 


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Posted 22 May 2019 - 06:58 AM

My question is, if Hinata is an angel goddess as she is with her “large rack and passive attitude that no male will feel emasculated by”, why need her to be like Sakura at all?

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Posted 22 May 2019 - 07:06 AM

My question is, if Hinata is an angel goddess as she is with her “large rack and passive attitude that no male will feel emasculated by”, why need her to be like Sakura at all?

 

Studio Pierrot basically knows their ideas sucked so they feel a need to make Hinata something she isn't after basically forcing Kishimoto to do the ending as it is and all that, thanks also to his dumbass editors and all of that. So, yeah.



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Posted 22 May 2019 - 07:17 AM

My question is, if Hinata is an angel goddess as she is with her “large rack and passive attitude that no male will feel emasculated by”, why need her to be like Sakura at all?

Two reasons I can think of one) they are not this is just a side effect of them trying to keep her perfect, or two) because not all the people working on it are Hinata fanatics.

 

One) remember she is suppose to be the perfect woman for Naruto; how is she suppose to be the perfect woman if she can even keep the home? So they make her a scary mom so she is the pathetic woman people were shown in the movie.

 

Two) as much that is clear that fanatics in SP spent years getting her to the position of love interest; it was with the assumption that she would actually be successful at it. The backlash proved otherwise. But can't back out of this ending? Just change her to be more like the old love interest to hopefully appease people, and make the next series love interest a copy of the old love interest as well...just without the parts that people complained about; apparently.

 

Actually three) SP are un-creative. They have always just copied NS moments and given scene similar to Hinata in filler to add to the scant few nH scenes in the manga. Even without something to copy they still just copying.


Edited by Bail o' Lies, 22 May 2019 - 07:34 AM.






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