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[Phantom_999]

But that's the thing isn't it? Takumi is entitled to win win because of character development, but not Megumi? Megumi went through butt loads of  CD too, but the story is always Yanking her chain in important matches too. That doesn't make sense for me. But it will likely happen. Truth be told though, My ideal scenario is that the VERY Last match comes down to Eishi and Rindo against Soma and Erina. the two "power couple" lol tag teams. Besides I want to see Erina cook more too to establish and confirm the in universe hype to her skills as a chef rather than just being told about it.

 

Oh and I was mistaken, apparently "The Third Plate" will be 24 episodes

Edited by Phantom_999, 09 October 2017 - 07:19 PM.

[Bail o' Lies]

Souma can't lose...because he is the main character. He has to be in the final battle of this arc.

 

Takumi, his opponent is being too much a kitten that to see him lose despite his little trickery or even it being thrown in his face helping his opponent win is too satisfying for it not to happen.

 

Megumi like harry said if she doesn't win she will do well enough that Momo will recognize her.

[trang95]

But that's the thing isn't it? Takumi is entitled to win win because of character development, but not Megumi? Megumi went through butt loads of  CD too, but the story is always Yanking her chain in important matches too. That doesn't make sense for me. But it will likely happen. Truth be told though, My ideal scenario is that the VERY Last match comes down to Eishi and Rindo against Soma and Erina. the two "power couple" lol tag teams. Besides I want to see Erina cook more too to establish and confirm the in universe hype to her skills as a chef rather than just being told about it.

 

Oh and I was mistaken, apparently "The Third Plate" will be 24 episodes

Wait, I thought Isshiki is in the final round, too, or did I miss something?

[trang95]

Souma can't lose...because he is the main character. He has to be in the final battle of this arc.

 

Takumi, his opponent is being too much a kitten that to see him lose despite his little trickery or even it being thrown in his face helping his opponent win is too satisfying for it not to happen.

 

Megumi like harry said if she doesn't win she will do well enough that Momo will recognize her.

When the day comes where he'll actually loose in a 1 one 1 battle (not counting in his dad), I hope he'll get defeated by Erina. There has to be someone who will remain better than him until the end of the series.

[Phantom_999]

Souma can't lose...because he is the main character. He has to be in the final battle of this arc.

 

Takumi, his opponent is being too much a kitten that to see him lose despite his little trickery or even it being thrown in his face helping his opponent win is too satisfying for it not to happen.

 

Megumi like harry said if she doesn't win she will do well enough that Momo will recognize her.

 

Eh, Soma has lost before actually. What you mean is when there are MAJOR STAKES on the line the MC can't lose. Sure Takumi can win, and I expect it truth be told, but my point is that character development doesn't entitle a character to win. Takumi did lose to Mimasaka, and after seeing the depths and development of Tosuke, he still lost to Rindo. and if they can give Soma some plot armour excuse as to why he wins against Nene, and definitely it will pop up against Somei, I don't see why they can't do that with Megumi, It seems unfair that she is a deuteragonist and has TONS of CD yet she always loses all of her major matches if you ask me 

 

 

Wait, I thought Isshiki is in the final round, too, or did I miss something?

 

Well in the unlikely scenario Satoshi loses too then you seat number doesn't mean plot armour lol apparently

Edited by Phantom_999, 12 October 2017 - 09:34 PM.

[harry4e]

But that's the thing isn't it? Takumi is entitled to win win because of character development, but not Megumi? Megumi went through butt loads of  CD too, but the story is always Yanking her chain in important matches too. That doesn't make sense for me. But it will likely happen. Truth be told though, My ideal scenario is that the VERY Last match comes down to Eishi and Rindo against Soma and Erina. the two "power couple" lol tag teams. Besides I want to see Erina cook more too to establish and confirm the in universe hype to her skills as a chef rather than just being told about it.

 

Oh and I was mistaken, apparently "The Third Plate" will be 24 episodes

 

I would like to see Megumi win, however it would be unrealistic to expect a across the board win for the underdogs, (that is if Souma wins as well, i'm still not convinced he will.).

 

You can see Megumi losing because as far as character development goes, she's had the most growth shown after Souma (as far as cooking goes), she started off as someone who less than a year prior was one bad grade away from being expelled, she's gone from that to being acknowledged by the two former elite ten members, Erina herself rates her and is considered as a future Elite 10 member. Takumi on the other hand was considered a rising hope from the beginning, and he's not really shown his true growth yet, another lost for him would suggest he hasn't grown at all since day one. However for Megumi gaining acknowledgement from the current third seat would still be a massive win.

 

Also let's not forget Takumi is against the former number 10 seat, the weakest of the original members, Megumi on the other hand is against the former forth seat and by far the best in the elite 10 when it comes to sweets, that just so happens to be the topic in question.

 

I can actually see Megumi losing yet still be considered a win because Momo takes a liking to her and not care for the competition any more, as she plays with her new cute toy.

[Phantom_999]

Hmm yeah. Well, someday though I hope that We see Megumi actually win a plot important match on her own, because that is LONG overdue.I don't mean winning against Fodder because even the side PSD members can do that. Sure it may not happen now since again she is against Momo, but I want it to happen one day because I feel it its rather unfair to her, since I really like her character. But again it is always silly to see how the Main character gets Plot armor wins but the secondary protagonists don't. Like for instance, Soma's win against Nene REALLY undermines her ability as the sixth seat, and not to mention how did she join the Elite ten then if she could make such a simple mistake. Also in the second round, it is unbelievable that Tsukasa and Rindo have so little stamina that they need a full day's rest just for ONE MATCH when they should be doing restaurant work regularly and serving hundreds if not thousands of customers.

 

On the other hand there is the whole team work aspect that has not been delved into, Maybe they can pull off a full sweep if they all coordinate their dishes and help each other out, That is what they were taught right up to the tournament. It that doesn't happen, then I don't even see the point of the teamwork aspect then, and it would have been a waste of panels

Edited by Phantom_999, 20 December 2017 - 03:55 AM.

[Bail o' Lies]

If they don't do the standard shounen character refuse titles they've won. She should be in the new elite ten after this arc. So some title defending matches are possible. If not that then she is still growing in this year during her second third year will be where she really starts to shine.

[harry4e]

If the manga does continue after this arc I hope we do get to see Megumi grow as someone who will not be defeated by whoever is put infront of her, but after you've defeated the Elite 10 who exactly is going to be the next challenger for them? Will we end up with some rival school or something?

 

Well this weeks chapter was a pointless one that felt like it just felt the need to give us a Eizen backstory when we've already two already, we know about his dirty tactics, since the return home mini-arc and the fried chicken, if you think about it, Eizen has not grown much has he? He's been shown to pull the same tactics before and all times he's been defeated by Souma and now Takumi.

 

Though thinking about it, considering Azami's universal food standard policy, would someone like Eizen be the perfect counter for it? If the dishes are all standard, someone like him who can counter the restaurants flavours, it would be easy for him to take does the entire business as a tactic that would work in one restaurant would apply to all other restaurants under their control. That said he is still the only Elite 10 member that actually makes sense about being a supporter of Azami, the others feel oddities the more we find out about them. This is a area that needed to be delved into further...what was their motivation?

[Phantom_999]

Funny you should ask that, because I can't think of anything. IN THEORY the elite ten, by nature would be interested in self improvement and taking their cooking to new heights as that is the reason almost all of them (except for Eizan and Tosuke that is, and probably Nene) joined the elite ten in the first place. To support Azami's BOXED IN perfectionism means that alterations or self improvement would be a no go, so why? Well besides needing a central conflict I can't say.

Edited by Phantom_999, 14 October 2017 - 05:23 PM.

[harry4e]

Funny you should ask that, because I can't think of anything. IN THEORY the elite ten, by nature would be interested in Self improvement and taking their cooking to new heights as that is the reason almost all for them (except for Eizan and Tosuke that is, and probably Nene) joined the elite ten in the first place. to support Azami's BOXED IN perfectionism means that alterations or self improvement would be a no go, so why? Well besides needing a central conflict I can't say.

 

 

It really doesn't make sense does it? I think in their pursuit to make the elite 10 members more human and likeable, the manga has created itself a paradox, where the characters personality clashes with the needs of the story to progress in the direction they want. We have members who strive to be the best they can, to push the boundaries of their abilities to continue to grow and evolve vs a plotline that needs them to agree to Azami's methods for it to actually happen.

 

Seriously why would the first seat vote for a system that likely increases his stress and workload even further? Why would Rindou vote for someone who would clip her wings and restrict her movement and discovering new dishes around the world? I don't know about Momo but she looks like someone who would like to be on her own than teach, and the Samurai looks like a loyal servant who values loyalty and fair play, why would be ake part in this coupe? Nene as a traditionalist I could see voting as a means of preserving traditional cooking methods, and Eizen is all about the mulla so it fits in with him completely.

[trang95]

If the manga does continue after this arc I hope we do get to see Megumi grow as someone who will not be defeated by whoever is put infront of her, but after you've defeated the Elite 10 who exactly is going to be the next challenger for them? Will we end up with some rival school or something?

 

Well this weeks chapter was a pointless one that felt like it just felt the need to give us a Eizen backstory when we've already two already, we know about his dirty tactics, since the return home mini-arc and the fried chicken, if you think about it, Eizen has not grown much has he? He's been shown to pull the same tactics before and all times he's been defeated by Souma and now Takumi.

 

Though thinking about it, considering Azami's universal food standard policy, would someone like Eizen be the perfect counter for it? If the dishes are all standard, someone like him who can counter the restaurants flavours, it would be easy for him to take does the entire business as a tactic that would work in one restaurant would apply to all other restaurants under their control. That said he is still the only Elite 10 member that actually makes sense about being a supporter of Azami, the others feel oddities the more we find out about them. This is a area that needed to be delved into further...what was their motivation?

I've been asking myself that for exactly 100 chapters. Remember, chapter 134 is were the Elite 10 voted to overthrow Senzaemon. I remember back then being legit shocked to see higher upper students becoming antagonists in a direction I didn't expect and with no explanation whatsoever. All we got back then was Rindou saying: "A new wave is coming, you know. Riding it is way more exciting."

 

I thought we would start to see a legit for some of them to join Azami's side when each of the Elite 10 students gets more characterized. But the more we learned, the less sense it made to me. I fail to see how most of them can benefit from Azami's system, especially Rindou, who's so free-spirited and adventurous when it comes to cooking. Tbh though, Rindou kinda just follows Eishi's decisions.

[harry4e]

I've been asking myself that for exactly 100 chapters. Remember, chapter 134 is were the Elite 10 voted to overthrow Senzaemon. I remember back then being legit shocked to see higher upper students becoming antagonists in a direction I didn't expect and with no explanation whatsoever. All we got back then was Rindou saying: "A new wave is coming, you know. Riding it is way more exciting."

 

I thought we would start to see a legit for some of them to join Azami's side when each of the Elite 10 students gets more characterized. But the more we learned, the less sense it made to me. I fail to see how most of them can benefit from Azami's system, especially Rindou, who's so free-spirited and adventurous when it comes to cooking. Tbh though, Rindou kinda just follows Eishi's decisions.

 

Is it Eishi's decision though? It feels more like Rindou is the one who pushes the others around, making Eishi do her share of paperwork, make him cook for her etc, I think before we found out how the regime worked, it was assumed by most Rindou bullied Eishi into voting for Azami, as early on it looked like she would enjoy the chaos, but the more we learn the more restrictive and boring the new regime appears and instead of giving her the freedom to do what she wants, she now has to follow Azami's orders, Like the time she let Takumi and Megumi to pass, Azami made it clear that type of behavior would not be acceptable and she nodded like a meek little mouse...completely against her character. Also it baffles me why someone who travels the world to discover new dishes, vote for standards that killed those businesses? She looks like someone who would love to spend time with the Yukihira family and the father and sons disturbing combo's, she'd appreciate the originality. The Samurai is another one I really don't get, why does he seem to be about honour and respect but went behind the headmasters back like a coward with no honour.

[Phantom_999]

Indeed, and again, even disregarding their personal reasons there is the core problem. The elite 10 are fundamentally speaking, supporting a man and organization that is essentially drowning out any will to self improve and are dogmatically dictating for cooking and baking to be turned into a systematically stagnating standard. Remember that right before the exams, Azami had all of the adult authorities in the school try out all cooking that students that were personally trained by Azami, and all they taste is Azami's style of cooking and his influence over and over again? Is that what the Elite  wants? to become carbon copies of each other that they don't even have their own own identity as chefs anymore? Or even if they are NOT, are they so happy to join an organization that no longer allows them to to improve their own cooking any further? Is self improvement not what drives the vast majority of them? so again WHY would they enjoy being part of an ideal that will deny them from expanding their knowledge and self improvement . it REALLY doesn't make sense 

Edited by Phantom_999, 17 October 2017 - 07:10 PM.

[harry4e]

Turning back the focus point, what do you guys think Nene was referring to in chapter 233 when she asked Kuma if Souma was trully just a first year? Do you think this was just meant to point to him being Jouchirou's son, or do you think it may be something deeper and it is hinting to his mother or maybe something else? I'm hoping it's the latter as it would be disappointing that scene was put in and it referred to him being related to the former number 2 seat...that would be kinda anti-climatic, but this is Shounen and this kind of foreshadowing sometimes comes to nothing,.

 

http://www.mangapand...i-no-soma/233/2

[Phantom_999]

sometimes yeah

[harry4e]

What do you know Aldini was playing with Eizen all this time, then again not really surprising, Eizen has been a very predictable villain, and for some reason he's had more screentime than any of the other antagonist, he's the weakest member of the elite ten but the manga seems to focus on him the most.

 

Aldini went Aizen on Eizen.

[Phantom_999]

Yeah because he's more interested in being a troll than an actual superior chef

[Bail o' Lies]

What do you know Aldini was playing with Eizen all this time, then again not really surprising, Eizen has been a very predictable villain, and for some reason he's had more screentime than any of the other antagonist, he's the weakest member of the elite ten but the manga seems to focus on him the most.

 

Aldini went Aizen on Eizen.

As Takumi pointed out he knew that Eizen was going to try to screw him over somehow, since that's all he does. So he made a dish that their was only one way of screwing it over then made that dish to counter that attempt. The thing is with Eizen is he is the only dis-likable and despicable member of that group (especially since Erina [the original antagonist] and Kuga joined the good guys.) So if your going to make the Elite Ten the bad guys you kind of have to focus on him.

[harry4e]

As Takumi pointed out he knew that Eizen was going to try to screw him over somehow, since that's all he does. So he made a dish that their was only one way of screwing it over then made that dish to counter that attempt. The thing is with Eizen is he is the only dis-likable and despicable member of that group (especially since Erina [the original antagonist] and Kuga joined the good guys.) So if your going to make the Elite Ten the bad guys you kind of have to focus on him.

 

Erina has never been the antagonist, she's been the rival of sorts, she's never done anything to antagonise them, her actions were down to her conflicted feeling, where Souma's techniques clashed with her teachings. even the Kuga battle, you couldn't consider him the Antagonist as it was Souma that sought him out and challenged him, Kuma was a competition, these two would not have been considered antagonists even if they had joined the Elite 10 (well we would likely see a personality shift from Erina as she'd likely be emotionally cut off under the control of her father.)

 

Even now the rest of the elite 10 seem to behave like competitors than actual antagonists, so he just sticks out like a sore thumb, this is the fault of the manga by design. Concentrating on Eizen would be fine if not for him already being shown to have been beaten at his own game, the Karage arc, the dorm closure arc, these are all defeats by him, and lets not forget Eizen is the weakest member of the Elite members, and even if he is the only one that behaves like a antagonist, he's still the weakest link (after the throw away members in the first round).

 

We've already been given details of his underhanded techniques, we had it pointed how he is known as the alchemist in both his previous defeats, so there was really nothing new to bring to the table, if anything this should have been a perfect opportunity to show him use his alchemist ability to defeat Takumi on talent alone instead of using underhanded techniques, we could see clearly his defeat to Souma affected him, so it would be fair to see him go beyond his usual tactics to secure a win, but instead the mangaka chose to have him stand still.

 

This was done to so show Takumi has overcome his previous lost where he was baited into making a error and walking into the trap the copy-cat had set for him...instead he took what he leart in that loss and baited Eizen into walking into the trap he had set. I guess the moral about this match is learning from your losses, Eizen didn't where Takumi did.