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#967151 Sakura was written to be Disliked

Posted by rocci on 22 July 2018 - 11:49 PM

Hell, Asuna from Sword Art Online. Tsundere, but without any haters and with legions of fans wanting bet to be their Waifu.


Asuna has love Arrow to kirito and she's not into hidup rival or friend. that thing doesn't happen to sakura. Sao has Harem tag and otaku love to be in the shoes of protagonis of Harem manga since they're desire by tsundere.

Asuka from Evangelion behave the same like sakura since she like kaji. In the new movie she become part of Shinji "Harem".

@derock
That curse seal scene is one side from sakura. What Sasuke really do is testing his new power and while the hug is romantic ss scene it's not mutual because all of that come from sakura. That's the problem of ss argument that Sasuke secretly has a feeling to sakura. Which is not happening because if he does have feeling we Will know it, for example Sasuke feeling to Naruto.

pairing in Naruto ussually one side love, including ns.


#967094 Sakura was written to be Disliked

Posted by rocci on 20 July 2018 - 03:22 AM

I don't see why Sakura is hated yet other tsunderes are beloved.


The other tsundere is actually hate, but the difference is the love outnumber the hate.

The same can't be said with sakura, who get hate because of personality, character relationship, and character role.

Another thing is sakura is not tsundere enough for otaku to said Kawai or more. So she lack moe factor that make Asuka ultra popular.

I mean sakura is not popular enough among Fangirl. I blame them for not supporting sakura and narusaku.


#964960 The Great Naruto Discussion Thread

Posted by rocci on 11 May 2018 - 11:16 PM

Say do you guys think it would of been better for sakura's character if her motivation for being a shinobi was trying to make the name haruno known throughout the naruto world? Since her family is just a normal citizens and it could also give a reason why naruto fell for her.


It Will change the dynamic and it Will lose the love triangle set up. And if happen i don't think Naruto Will automaticly love sakura.

I think Naruto Will become like other shonen manga Hero who doesn't have any love interest. It Will end up like Bleach.

But it Will certainly help sakura popularity .

IMO, sakura need character development, more follow up, and more fighting. Kishi denied any of that and you asking why sakura is not popular.


#964954 Aftermath of the Ending

Posted by rocci on 11 May 2018 - 10:34 PM

You can be selfish for once in your life to be happy. Naruto wanting Sakura was really the only selfish thing he desired besides being Hokage so he had a right to have her. Sakura should have seen that but she didn't for the sake of NH.

No, she can't do that she's unpopular and Hinata, therefor nh is much more popular than sakura.

It's outside influence rather than good writing that make pairing happen but hey Naruto writing also become bad in part 2.


#964849 The NEW NaruSaku Debate Thread

Posted by rocci on 07 May 2018 - 10:36 PM

You know I find it ASTONISHING how double standard Naruto readers are with Sakura compared to the attitudes of other and even worse tsunderes. Anything other tsunderes do are more tolerated if still not liked, but Sakura is treated like evil incarnate for treating Naruto like anyone else treats him, when in fact she does not show hateful disdain for him like most of the village, she just thinks he's is an annoying prank-filled loser that is not cool and Handsome like Sasuke. And that stems from the petty reason that most are not even willing to let go of that first impression because they over sympathize with Naruto's tragic back story and think Sakura does not understand him, when she bonds with and grows closer to him through out the series. That said, the way she was written just to prolong the kittening love triangle did her no favours, that can not be denied.
 
On the flip side, Hinata does not even attempt to bond with or get closer to Naruto but Her hierophants think that they are a match in heaven just because Hinata is crushing on the social pariah and that makes her "entitled" to him.

While this thing discuss so many time, i really love sakura discussion.

Sakura is the most hate character bar none. Part of it because she's tsundere or violence girl, useless, weak/cry, love Sasuke, hate Naruto, and she's in the threat for nh. It's the combination of all the above.

For tsundere, as a wholesale (in fandom), usually you either hate her or love her. There's those who doesn't care but it's not much.

Tsundere from another media usually has thing to balance their annoying trait. Like Asuka from Evangelion who kick ass, kagome story focus, generic modern tsundere character who secretly like the male character like Mikasa mikoto from index, sana who has all of it. And many more. Oh and Rin from fate franchise.

For sakura since her first impression is bad and author doesn't develop her story, it make fans as whole doesn't change their opinion. Sakura is a character who need character development. the author know that but he's not consistent with it. I think post chunin Exam arc, sakura has good character development which may or may not coincidence with ns development. But it doesn't address one of the biggest sakura problem, her weak and useless. Only on the part 2 Kishi address it by giving her Tsunade move set. But he doesn't continue it and that's a bad news for sakura like character. And then land of iron arc happen, sakura popularity Plummet, and Hinata become more popular, and Kishi change his mind.

While Hinata is not relevant to the plot. Her popularity among fan, assisten, and studio pierot staff are the biggest contributor for nh to happen. And i understand where that come from. Hinata doesn't do what sakura did in the beginning of Naruto thus setting up her character (intentionally or not) to be "better" in the eye of her fan and most netral. I mean when you have female blogger support Hinata and therefor nh, you know how hard sakura position.

On top of that since she rarely write by Kishi she is shelter by Kishi horrible writing unlike sakura (and Naruto).


#964539 Boruto: Naruto Next Generation Anime Discusion

Posted by rocci on 27 April 2018 - 04:07 AM

A couple of posts back said something that bothers me recently and I want to comment on that.
 
Whoever said that Hinata got to be with Naruto instead of Sakura was the reason because the Hyuga was hyped, I find that statement a bunch of BS. Why? If that was the case, the Hyuga should had been relevant with the Uchiha, Uzumaki, Senju, etc since the whole plot line leading to the 4th War. Also the case that Neji WOULDN'T be killed off so both his and Hinata's development (on what's left of it) will have proper closure. As I said before, Hisashi should had been killed off instead of Neji.
 
I believe people said this statement for a sort of justification of Hinata's status and "popularity". AKA some people want her relevant to the audience, both casual and hardcore, but knowing damn well that one side was louder than the other. Now one thing I agree about Sakura's reason but that was Masashi's fault on putting more than enough of plates full of Sasuke and the Uchiha's development INSTEAD of balancing it with Naruto along with Sakura and Kakashi.


That statement come from nh fan who i see in the internet. I think they said something like that because clan>no clan, which is not true because what important in Naruto world is how big your chakra and how powerful your Jutsu.

Clan only give you early advantage compare to non clan, but as story Goes clan tend to not improve outside of their clan gimmick. Even the like of uchiha like Sasuke and Itachi need other non uchiha Jutsu to be powerful/useful.

This is what i think Hinata/nh/anti sakura doesn't see/think/care because they stuck in the chunin Exam.

I mean this is the same guy who said rock Lee Will never beat Neji.

Hyuga is irrelevant even after Hinata maried Naruto because burito doesn't inherit byakugan. And his sister is also irrelevant. Ootsuki is the Quincy of Naruto world. Hyuga is dead with Neji.


#964376 The NEW NaruSaku Debate Thread

Posted by rocci on 21 April 2018 - 11:07 PM

There was a video bringing up how every pairing in Naruto was incest because of this.

They're pretty much become distant after so many generation that interbred for so long. So it Will not be count incest when Hinata married one of the clan member.

Anyway does Hyuga and then byakugan become Relevant in burito manga? If not than what's the point of Naruto married Hinata if byakugan Will not be use?


#964310 The NEW NaruSaku Debate Thread

Posted by rocci on 19 April 2018 - 10:58 PM

This. She sends him a letter at the end that implies she wants to be with him once he returned. But yeah, their relationship is a great example of N/S/S.


Tbf Haruka is more like Rin as far as character go. But we know who Rin is supposed to be parallel and her name is not Hinata.

If you want to know a true nss dynamic, berserk is your place. The similiarity between casca and sakura is truly close. At least berserk author doesn't kitten on her character and canonize gutsxcasca.


#964217 So if NH and SS were planned end pairings, then why....

Posted by rocci on 18 April 2018 - 03:26 AM

Because she makes some people at SP touch themselves at night.

I never see a supporting character ever get Hinata treatment.

Anyway, they need to make conflict so they could continue the story.

With peace the story end. - one character from Made from abyss.


#962644 Analysis of NS scenes post-ending

Posted by rocci on 04 March 2018 - 04:21 PM

Naruto and Sasuke light and darkness dualisme start after Tsunade arc, and canonize by Neji in rescue Sasuke arc.

One thing that i always found amusing is that how Kishi make sure that sakura interaction with Naruto and Sasuke represent it.
In the beginning of rescue Sasuke arc, when sakura interact with Sasuke it happened in dark or night and how it show that sakura is in pain and unhappy.
While with Naruto, sakura interaction happen in light and day. And it show how sakura so happy and smile with him.

It show that eventough sering a sakura tree bloom in the night is romantic, a tree Will thrive in light.

Anyway sakura is the only character beside iruka who sit down with Naruto in the bench. The other character who has bench scene is Jiraiya and Tsunade.

After land of iron arc, there's no (meaningful) ns interaction.
Since Naruto and sakura usually have interaction in the beginning of the arc.


#962074 The Great Naruto Discussion Thread

Posted by rocci on 20 February 2018 - 10:15 PM

Oh yeah, it's a big deal in Japan for the mother to keep the umbilical cord....
 
So, remind me again why Karin has it?


Karin's hair Herring.


#962057 Sakura’s Portrayal In the Anime

Posted by rocci on 20 February 2018 - 12:59 PM

It's kinda hard to defend sakura.
Fandom doesn't like her, anime studio worship a side character, and the author simply ababdon her.

Eventough she's the most appearance female character in the anime series and the second most appearance character in the Naruto movie. She beat Sasuke and Kakashi in movie appearance.


#959297 The NEW NaruSaku Debate Thread

Posted by rocci on 30 December 2017 - 04:51 AM

@yyubei
It's ninja magic. That's why real world logic doesn't necessary work.

@shasank
Nice


#959088 Boruto: Naruto Next Generation Anime Discusion

Posted by rocci on 27 December 2017 - 07:42 AM

I don't think she will get replace because she's an uchiha. But I agree that her fate will not far away like sakura. The thing is since there's no sasuke(yet) salad will not (yet) become the third wheel in the team.

Oh And becoming hokage doesn't mean jack kitten when the title character doesn't care about that.

Combat wise She would fight like uchiha sakura with sharingan but her sharingan will never evolve into EMS unless they asspull it.


#957508 The Great Naruto Discussion Thread

Posted by rocci on 07 December 2017 - 03:17 PM

Yes, Zack and Naruto are a much better comparison. Sakura and lightning is also awful. I think Rinoa would be a better likeness and I don't even like her lol.

Squall is like sasuke minus the revenge part.
The funny thing about ff8 is that the love triangle is like reverse team seven. Basically squall is in naruto position, rinoa is upbeat sakura, while seifer is pretty much blonde sasuke. Squall like/interest in Rinoa while she like seifer who doesn't love anyone but mind his own business and he's squall rival. Oh and best girl quistis fill Hinata role and fujin fill Karin.

Zell and that library girl fit nh. In other word you need to make naruto as not important main character or side character to make nh canon aka the last.

@yubei

To show that naruto romance is not revolutionary since everyone already did that and with better writing than kishi.