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Bail o' Lies

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In Topic: The NEW NaruSaku Debate Thread

25 March 2024 - 10:41 AM

https://myanimelist....514#msg70751514

gotta love how the minato manga brings us ns fans out of the woodwork :D

...Again, Other because you watched it, you assume Kishimoto must have watched it, and been inspired by it. When there has never been mentioned of it in any interview. 

 

What has been mentioned is Slam Dunk, (and how it inspired the Naruto-Sakura-Sasuke dynamic,) which I assume you haven't read/watch.

 

Other there is a difference between speculating that Kishimoto may have been inspired by something and declaring it to be true. There is no evidence of him being inspired by that dragon quest anime, there is of him being inspired by Slam Dunk.

In Topic: Boruto: Two Blue Vortex Chapter (8)1

21 March 2024 - 02:59 AM

Had internet problems.

 

Read the DragonBall Super Chapter. You know if they ended it right here due to Toriyama's death this is a decent ending. The Saiyans are all training together, the Red Ribbon Army stop being a threat, and Goku started to bond with Pan. You could go to the final chapter from here with only a few questions.

 

A Moment of Silence for the passing of a great artist.

 

...Now for a story with nothing decent in it.

 

Summary Time: Chapter 8(8). It doesn't matter...never has there been a title that sums up the entire story more than this.

 

Cover Page is Tree-Jenga...no, I am not going to bother remembering its name, because i don't remember what it was anyways.

 

Guh. Bolt declares to Cups that, he is "Cups' Sun and to come find him at anytime"...God, that was as lame as it was corny. It is also not helping as that could be an awful pick up line. Oh and it is made worse by Hime watching and declaring "that it was like too cool. oh my gosh." What worse about an attempted cool moment falling flat is the writer praising themselves over it. Also, this is making my prediction that Hime will fall for Bolt, from the end of part one, more predictable than the Sun rising in the East tomorrow. Nail is behind her wondering why it is taking so long to track Bolt. Oh Mustard is still here, don't know where she has been for the last eight chapters, and she is still worshipping Hime. Oh apparently Hime still lives in the villa outside of the village.

 

Oh Fucking Finally! Someone tells Shikamaru about the Tree People. Nail decides to mental contact Shikamaru through the sensory division, guess that's their job now to be the psychic phone company. Shikamaru worries about Nail catching onto his conversation with Bolt but Ino says she can keep them separate. Bolt leaves and Nail realizes Bolt left before he could sense him...somehow. I think the story wants this to be the start of him suspecting Shikamaru or someone is working with Bolt.

 

Cups goes to the villa and is surprised to see Hime there. They and Moe have a conversation about how Nail doesn't care about him. Cups also thanks Hime for allowing him to experience the emotion love. That and his doubts with Nail have lead him to decided to seek self affirmation instead of seeking it from others. And Hime makes it clear he loves "Nail"...god this really is gayer than Naruto; back then they always hid behind brotherly feelings but this is just full out admission.

 

Oh there had been this random nudist running around so Tree-Jenga and Tree-Sasuke use it to transport to the village to eat Naruto. They can feel him...damn it Sasuke. Thankfully they are sensed and a whole bunch of Mooks come out to greet them. Oh Hime informs Shikamaru what they are and apologizes for not telling him sooner...guess people in Japan were pointing that stupidity out; you know because one of the targets is herself. Tree-Jenga walks into a book story and as a joke Tree-Sasuke ask if Naruto is in there. Nail finds them. Tree- Jenga senses the tailed beast Chakra within Naruto to locate him, but instead they find the daughter...the daughter has inherited both the byakugan from her mother and the nine tails' chakra from Naruto...sigh

In Topic: The Great Naruto Discussion Thread

18 March 2024 - 09:11 PM

Crimson Fox, the assistant is Ikemoto that "volunteered" to work on the Boruto manga, which is a massive failure. However he has been dealing with a burden that should have been Kishi's for the past ten years. To openly stab him in the back would pretty much blacklist him from the industry as no one would be able to trust working for him. If there is to be a rewrite of the ending it has to be handled carefully. Granted I get the increasing feeling that the various companies are tired of Boruto's poor performance.

 

For stories it always best to go for a simple answer only going more elaborate when the simple doesn't fit.

 

No matter what it quite clear that Kishimoto didn't really look into his fanbase, more than he was told by others, till after the ending.

 

Just so everyone understands Slam Dunk is considered THE SHOUNEN SPORTS MANGA. The one that set the standard that all sports manga follow after. It also still one of the most profitable manga ever and I think still in the top ten. It was huge in the 90s.

 

Phantom/Kagomaru, people don't like the rug pull out from under them. If they get invested in a story they want a satisfying pay off. Part of that for romance if a manga spend years building up a couple they expect them to get together. That not happening greatly annoys the sexually frustrated Japanese.

In Topic: The Great Naruto Discussion Thread

17 March 2024 - 06:08 PM

Other, Kishimoto has never mentioned the Dragon Quest anime you watched as his primary inspiration for Naruto in any interview. He has mentioned that the NartuoXSasukeXSakura dynamics were based off of Slam Dunk. Which I assume you have not watch/read. Hanamichi Sakuragi was a dumb punk that falls in love with Haruko Akagi an avid basketball fan that has a crush on the ace's of her high school's basketball team the gifted Kaeda Rukawa. To win her affection Sakuragi joins the team and is rivals with Rukawa. In Slam Dunk, none of them end up together at the end. Rukawa was never interested in Akagi, and Sakuragi eventually became more interested in focusing on basketball. So if Haruko got together with Sakuragi, She would have been Haruko Sakuragi. Haruko Sakuragi. Haruno, Sakura. Sakura Haruno.

 

Crimson Fox, it is clear that you have given a lot of time to thinking deeply into why the ending happen, and you hope that Kishimoto's reasonings were just as deep to justify your contemplations.

 

The simple truth is this. Kishimoto did not have any long term story with tons of intricacies. His story is quite simple. For most of the characters of Naruto, unless they managed to hold his interest, their initial story was all they were going to get. 

 

For Sakura that means, near the end of the manga she would discover that Naruto was the one that gave her the forehead comment and fall in love with him. Of course plans change, as there was a change in how girls are portrayed in shounen, going from rarely fighting and mainly just hit the main character comically, to can and will fight while still hitting the main character comically, but that meant Kishimoto never really knew what to do with her beyond that. As he never fully understood the change nor embraced it.

 

Yahagi was Kishimoto's editor until right before the Pein arc. He was his editor for about 10 years when the average is 2. After Yahagi, Kishimoto went through 14 different editors in 5 years. Rumors have it that after Yahagi his next editor was a big fan of Hinata even wanting her to become the love interest/heroine and was the one pushing her to have the scenes she got in the Pein arc.

 

You seem to think that just because they didn't get together after the Rescue Gaara arc that Kishimoto abandoned it right then and there. When again, it was more him wanting them to get together at the end of the manga. If they did end the pairing at that arc. Why did Sakura have the moment when Naruto was in 4-tails? Why did she try to feed him ramen after the Shikamaru arc? Why she hug him after Pein? Why did she keep having scenes like that till near the end of the manga? The answer is again, they were suppose to get together until Kishimoto was 'convinced' to change it at the last minute.

 

Sakura is Kishimoto's type. He married a woman that everyone says is very like Sakura.

 

Kishimoto has said multiple times he does not get the appeal of Hinata, but went with her because he was told she was what the fans wanted. He understand why people like SS and thinks it's cliche. That might have changed after seeing how far Naruto-Boruto has fallen, but he can't do anything right now without it look like he is stabbing his former assistant in the back.

 

As for the Japanese fanbase...what has happened to Star Wars is a good analogue. Naruto's manga average sale was 3.47 million. Boruto averages out at around 100k. The SS manga got about 50K. Most of the Japanese fanbase either understand that the ending was a move to appease the Western Fanbase, or just assume it was his intention. Either way most have moved on with only nH and SS really staying around, with SS being the larger one by far.

In Topic: The Great Naruto Discussion Thread

02 March 2024 - 11:12 PM

@Bail I know it wasn't the first one, but it's the first one that I've heard about actually being liked by people.

 

That is true the quality in the west as I said really took a massive nosedive that even something mediocre is viewed as good.

 

Imagine people liking a woman for looking like a woman, and not a man. :D What a world we live in.

 

The Naruto movie I just find it too late and not what we or "Naruto" needed. It just feels like once again them reading the room wrong and not bothering to listen.

 

The last part, I don't even know what to say dude. In a world of DEI and ESG what you said fits like a glove. And it's likely.

 

 

@Blue So it does look like they actually did something well. Again I've only heard from people who didn't follow the manga and also got tired of the decline in stories in these past years in entertainment.

Just making sure. It is the only one they have done that hasn't bombed.

 

The problem is that the decline is somewhat intentional and somewhat going too far by accident.

 

BlackRock and Vanguard are two major investment companies. One of their owners has said multiple times that he wants to control the media people view, so he can change their world views; into what he wants it to be. Western Media Companies go along with it because by this point they are full of useless risk-averse executives without an ounce of creativity, and the investment companies are offering guaranteed money for any project they agree with. They hire non-straight white male people regardless of skill, talent, or experience maybe worse in spite of a lack of it; to produce media for "the modern audience." Of course they are informed they have only been hired because they are not straight white males, and just to produce anything. So they barely put any effort into it or lack the talent, skill, or experience to make anything good. Often times this so call "modern audience" is just themselves. 

 

In short. The investment company just gives them the money, the company spends the money while not bothering with any quality control, and the staff half ass it. So they produce products no one wants beyond themselves. This 'worked' for awhile, when the economy was good, but now its collapsing and the investment company can't give the media companies enough money to say afloat.

 

The thing is just because they produce something to lower the standards of the customers. Doesn't mean everyone lowers their standards and blindly consume their product. The customer may just refuse to buy and take their money elsewhere. While also being happy when another comes along and respect them by giving them what they want.

 

For an example. One of the things they want to change is the standards of beauty. They think the current media makes women too unrealistically beautiful and wants to make them more "realistic." How the West goes about it in video games is taking a model based on a real woman and make the character deliberately ugly. People are able to both question & criticize this by just finding a photo of the model they uglified. When they were just suppose to accept the character as what someone actually looks like, and suppose to consider beautiful.

 

One of the hot games coming out is Stellar Blade. Which has an attractive woman in a tight cyber-suit. People including Western game developers accuse it of being sexist and the female character being obviously fake. The Korean developers show that the model is mostly one to one between the real life model and the character model.

 

Now onto Naruto. This Lionsgate movie was 'started' ten years ago. Nothing happened till now, because of the collapse of Naruto's popularity after the ending; until One Piece LA happened. Then likely the narrative of, "hey, One Piece was this obscure anime no one knew about and look how successful it adaptation was. What if we do a live action of Naruto the King of International sales for anime?" Nos, you said most of the people you know that keep talking about One Piece weren't fans of the anime or manga. Why can't the same happen for Naruto? Now will it work?...who knows.