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#3441 James S Cassidy

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Posted 21 January 2019 - 03:16 AM

Is that supposed to be an excuse? Might as well become Ichigo while he's at it. I believe you didn't read the series or caught up to it, but when you read the journey, you'll start feeling conflicted because it seems lost in its own shuffle. How would you feel if Superman suddenly has even more power than the established skill set. Isn't the number one rule with heroes is not overpowering them? Even he has weaknesses and problems as you pointed out. Don't you want your journey to be thrilling, exciting, and above all, earned? Perhaps I shouldn't spoil, but nothing really screams a necessary.

 

See, the thing with Superman is was making up powers in the pre-crisis era and he was very OP too, but that was never the point of Superman. His story was never the story of a man trying to be the strongest, but rather being a god among men. It was all bout whether or not he was doing the right thing. So not really a good example.

Just because Deku is OP doesn't mean the story can be boring. It is all how what kind of trials to play. What would all those powers do for say a suicide jumper?

Look at One Punch Man. OP main character....bored out of his mind. I know Saitama is going to win and I still love it.


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Posted 21 January 2019 - 04:13 AM

Did people really think that ALL the previous holders for One For All after the original holder were quirk-less like All Might and Deku? At least one of those jackasses must have had a quirk before them. Since the power of One for All already had both the power to pass itself on, and accumulate power. It was always possible that other quirks were added into that mix. One could even argue the All Might did in fact have a quirk; Muscle Expansion/Peak Performance. Since, he continues to do that long after he passed on One For All, but that was worthless before he got One For All that Super Charge himself as well as his quirk.


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Posted 21 January 2019 - 04:49 AM

 
See, the thing with Superman is was making up powers in the pre-crisis era and he was very OP too, but that was never the point of Superman. His story was never the story of a man trying to be the strongest, but rather being a god among men. It was all bout whether or not he was doing the right thing. So not really a good example.

Just because Deku is OP doesn't mean the story can be boring. It is all how what kind of trials to play. What would all those powers do for say a suicide jumper?

Look at One Punch Man. OP main character....bored out of his mind. I know Saitama is going to win and I still love it.

Well, the problem is nothing has come to reinforce that type of story like you said about One Punch Man. ONE is smart to know how to write a story with an already OP characters yet get everyones attention by its writing. MHA isnt like that. The story is heading to perfection. If youre not up to date, you cant really make any claim until you know how it is written completely. OPM and Mob Psycho from the get-go always established OP doesnt mean good for the protagonist and it shows: comedy and drama.

As of late, its more of a convenient, similar to how Naruto gets lucky to square against Obito/Madara/Kaguya. OP is not even my biggest concern, though the power gap will be huge. All for One is like watching a glimpse of high tier battle, equivalent to Orochimaru vs. Sarutobi. After it, its been largely new enemy equal stronger than the last except one, but even then, Deku just won. So I have little confidence until from this point forward, everything must go forward with better direction.

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Posted 22 January 2019 - 10:31 PM

Why do I have a bad feeling in the future, I will have a gif of a character leaning forward for an apology as the other character takes time to say, "I'm sorry." Seriously, while it is an assumption, it's not something to disregard.

 

The series has hardly keep up with everyone to be in the same wavelength. With all due respect, I believe we have officially hit the breaking point of the fanbase and where we may begin to split apart. I am hearing loud noises over 4chan and reddit. I remember thinking I was alone on the non-sense that happened with Overhaul and it turns out I wasn't. I did some digging and apparently a lot of people hated it. The one thing people took great advantage is "explanation." We get explained, but we shouldn't eat everything they give us, no matter if we like the series. It's like Pain's revival. We know he can do it and hell, we know he is capable to revive everyone. The question is, must we? For narrative sake, no. That's Eri. I can another 30 minutes why that arc harmed the series. Even the announcement for Season 4 got people only talking about the reactions of fans, more so than the content itself.

 

Optimistic or not, the writing in the past hasn't favored any character that isn't Shouto, Bakugou, or Deku. If they were, I would like to know when. School activities don't count. Because of experience, there's no way I would believe the students are up to the same wavelength. Even in this arc, barely anyone got developed. Do you honestly want me to remain hopeful? Do you believe everyone will remain hopeful? I know Naruto may have scarred everyone and while this series isn't there yet, it's garnering the elements that will be its downfall. I'm sorry for being part of the fanbase, because I can imagine people want me out for having an opinion outside of "praise the sun."

 

Once again, experience has led to this feeling. You may think Kohei's writing is top notch, I think it's mixed. If this revelation was to happen immediately after Hideout Raid Arc, I would have some confidence. Plus, it's earlier on before we establish the power gap is growing. However, after many hiccups and head scratching moments, I have the rights to feel worried and more. Plus, there's more takeaway from this chapter than future assumptions. Of course, future villains will always be stronger, but many of characters are being left behind already, development and action. I don't remember the last the class ever taken on a boss level character or even sub-boss. Can I be wrong? Yes. Can you be wrong? Yes. There's no denying that there's a lot to fear and understandably so. It's only matter if we feared nothing or scream for the doomsday.

 

So you're saying that the lack of development for the other characters is what's "bugging you"? I thought that the problem that you had was Deku being too OP for the story to to function anymore when, again they are introducing the idea that other OFA users had quirks but we've only been shown one so far. I'm only bring up the fact that we are at no point in the story (YET) where Deku is complete control of his powers and would curb stomp any threat with ease which is the very reason you are saying that the series is going to be a snore fest with predictable results, since Deku is now OPAF and will "break the  story" if there was conflict of any kind. Isn't that your problem your problem with this latest development, or is it that it came out of nowhere because only Deku is the one showing the ability to use the quirks of the previous users? If that, then I've already argued that unless Deku is given new fantastical powers that render the Super strength of OFA pointless I see no problem with it. So let's wait and see what those other quirks actually are first. But you're now bringing up how other characters that are not Deku and the select few, are being left in the dust? Okay then, let's "tango" here instead, and actually it is so convenient for you to bring up Bleach.

 

You know what is I find is the paradoxical and hilarious complaint about Bleach? It's that it was too snail paced and boring because each character must get their own individual focus and fights to the point it always derails the the central plot and and story arc because every fight is taking up so many pages and chapters the main story is not getting anywhere. I don't know if you feel this way but many fans DID. Why am I bringing this up? Because Apparently the character focus and fights were only made in the first place because the characters were incredibly popular. The point is, those characters were well loved and because of that got their own individual "mini arc" at the editor's urging to Tite Kubo, but then readers were being "GET ON WITH THE STORY ALREADY!!!!!!!". 

 

Now you have the series Like Naruto, Dragon Ball, One Piece, etc. etc. where if a character gets their own fights or development, it is too far in between, and there is not enough of it that fans are crying "I want my favourite character to get more focus damn it!!!!!!" But again, if they DID then probably it will get the same reaction as Bleach where the story is not going anywhere because characters are actually getting focus and development so "how dare they stop the plot progression!!??" So are you mad that side characters are not getting enough focus? Okay then. But are you one of those raging fans that were pissed with Bleach for being too slow and stopping the story just for giving less relevant characters more spotlight? You tell me. Now, in the case of Dragon Ball the the power creep has become ridiculous for the other characters because at this point only Goku is relevant anymore and Vegeta to a lesser extent, since everyone is so below them and the concept is you have to be of similar power levels to even make a scratch on the opponent, so the rest of the cast are playing spectators and combat commentators. And yet fans don't seem to have a problem with that, but those that do bemoan the fact that the cast used to be so diverse and that everyone was relevant but now it is the "Goku and Vegeta show." Then the writers give the other characters the spot light like how Roshi is putting up a fight against Jiren like you say, and they are screaming out how it does not  makes sense when that is the exact reason the rest of the cast were sidelined in the first place. They didn't measure up to the threat level. that is the never ending cycle of things for this argument. You want side characters to get focus and fights. But either because they can't measure up to the main threat in the story or their powers are not suited for that fight particularly they are given fights that have little story value if at all,  but again that stops the plot in it's tracks as a compromise. 

 

Same thing with Naruto and arguably One Piece too. At the end of Naruto all but the main trio and Kakashi are fighting in the end and even Kakashi and Sakura were basically doing nothing while Naruto was doing all the heavy lifting and with Sasuke as backup against Madara and Kaguya. In One Piece everyone gets their fights but it is only Luffy's that is plot essential. Yet despite this if/ when the side characters get more fights and focus, fans will hypocritically complain that the plot is frozen because the character is getting focus like they wanted, but the Story is not moving at all. But it doesn't make sense for them to be included in the main fight because they will get swatted like flies. So which way is it supposed to be?

 

That aside, if you are complaining about the other characters not getting enough focus, then I feel the same. But are we at the point where the other characters are rendered useless and just become a cheer squad? I don't think so. And I'd like to point out something that is rather overlooked. the cast is still in high school. So who's to say that once they graduate and get out of the student setting that things won't change and the rest of the cast get their time to shine? Am I being overly optimistic? Maybe. but At least I want to give the benefit of the doubt before I start making judgments.

 

On your last point of me thinking Horikoshi's writing is god tier, did I ever say it was perfect? I do have my personal critiques on it and yes there are directions where I think that the plot could have been better. But does that mean I start assuming the worst of it just because I have "seen it before" and think I know where "it's heading"? It is because I love the series that while I may have bias towards it, I try to be fair and open minded to it's flaws which I admit does follow the typical Shonen formula. But at the same time just because it does doesn't mean I will instantly assume that the story will be broken because things are flung out of context, since the signs don't point to that yet. MHA is still shows that it's powers are not yet story breaking and the fights will still have strategy involved and things won't derail yet as long as Horikoshi sticks to his cards and doesn't add something ill thought of in just for coolness factor and to boost popularity.

 

This brings up an argument that I have stated time and again for years. Are fans truly fans if they are completely enamoured with their love of a thing that any criticism to it is a personal attack on them and they fight back like cornered animals and viciously insult anyone that has an honest criticism of it and think that critic has NO IDEA what they are talking about? In the same vein, is anyone that only have thoughts of pessimistic "it's all going downhill from here", really a fan? because in the same idea that a "fan" can never assume anything short of perfection in a thing to the point of obsession, the curious matter is why is someone that has nothing positive to say about something still following it? I'm not directing this at you specifically, it is something that boggles me at a personal level because if I did not like something I'd just drop it and move on. If Someone has no positive feed back on something or can not view things objectively, but follow that thing still purely out of pride then their disappointment is on them. That is all I'm saying.      
 


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Posted 24 January 2019 - 12:38 PM

Volume 22 Cover 

 

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Man look at the mc being relegated to background status Kohei loosing his stride 

 

 

 

*okay jokes aside, the cover isn't that bad, but Volume 20 is still my favorite. 


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Posted 24 January 2019 - 07:19 PM

Well, the problem is nothing has come to reinforce that type of story like you said about One Punch Man. ONE is smart to know how to write a story with an already OP characters yet get everyones attention by its writing. MHA isnt like that. The story is heading to perfection. If youre not up to date, you cant really make any claim until you know how it is written completely. OPM and Mob Psycho from the get-go always established OP doesnt mean good for the protagonist and it shows: comedy and drama.

As of late, its more of a convenient, similar to how Naruto gets lucky to square against Obito/Madara/Kaguya. OP is not even my biggest concern, though the power gap will be huge. All for One is like watching a glimpse of high tier battle, equivalent to Orochimaru vs. Sarutobi. After it, its been largely new enemy equal stronger than the last except one, but even then, Deku just won. So I have little confidence until from this point forward, everything must go forward with better direction.

Ouch. That one cut deep, 4life. Although that is two fold since...well the series hasn't ended yet.

I will say this. Deku said right in the beginning that this was a story about how he became the greatest hero of all time. I'm sorry, you kind of missed this one. So right off the bat, I expected that Deku will gain things that no other hero has to achieve this goal. To me, right there it said to me that he was going to do things that many would seem impossible. That's kind of a shonen thing.

The differences is how well it is executed, but we havn't seen it executed yet. We don't even know if Deku has some hidden quirk that is normally useless, but allows him to do what the others could not.

I think this is one way MHA is better than Naruto. It is upfront about it. It is not like Naruto who keeps changing and going against the main point.
 


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Posted 24 January 2019 - 10:19 PM

I was skipping through the first volume of My Hero Academia, and just to clear up the confusion for everyone,  Deku says this is the story of how I became a great hero." 


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Posted 24 January 2019 - 11:34 PM

I was skipping through the first volume of My Hero Academia, and just to clear up the confusion for everyone,  Deku says this is the story of how I became a great hero." 

Oh, my mistake.

Then yeah, Deku is definitely a OP character and this manga is garbage tier. Basically Naruto 3.0


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Posted 25 January 2019 - 01:07 AM

I was skipping through the first volume of My Hero Academia, and just to clear up the confusion for everyone,  Deku says this is the story of how I became a great hero." 

 

Mm well they changed the context greatly in the anime because Deku keeps saying he is going to be the greatest hero ("In the world" for the English dub) But I digress, even if the meaning is different It doesn't really change anything if you ask me because Deku wants to follow in All Might's footsteps so that insinuates the same thing either way. I'm just guessing the original translation is to give us the impression that he is humble and lacks confidence in himself which lines up perfectly to how he was at the start


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Posted 25 January 2019 - 02:37 AM

Oh, my mistake.

Then yeah, Deku is definitely a OP character and this manga is garbage tier. Basically Naruto 3.0

 

you're good man. 

 

The first 11 manga volumes (up to Chapter 99) has been peak of the series thus far at least for me  the content afterwards has been good (nothing amazing), and then this arc has been kind of lackluster..  Right now I wanna give Kohei (mangaka) the benefit of the doubt towards this development for Deku.  I

 

 

That is probably one of my biggest fears with this whole concept being introduced in the last chapter. Not that I think it'll happen, but Deku is gonna need some major major drawbacks if he uses any of the six quirks. 

 

Here are a few I can think of: 

 

 - Possible timer (30 minute minimum to 1 hour max)

 

- Only one can be used per day (meaning he can only use 1 out of six per day) 

 

-  Can't access the six quirks again for for at least full 24-48 hours 

 

- Using these six quirks could double the pain he receives from using One for All (strength alone) 

 

by the way these restrictions should be permanent in my opinion you can say it's sort of similar to All Might in terms of quirk uses, but this way One for All still remains the focus  (what we've seen him use thus far) 

 

 

That's just my general idea. 

 

 

 

I'll be the first to say this about the series it use to sit an amazing (6 of 7) status for me, but since the Hideout Raid Arc came to an end the flaws in the series have just been becoming more and more a-parent.  SO as of right now in terms of score right now it's sitting at a good +  (equating to 4.5 of 7)   


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Posted 25 January 2019 - 08:47 AM

Wow you were quick to change your mind James

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Posted 25 January 2019 - 06:54 PM

Time to see just how this latest chapter goes down: 

 

 

Kohei I swear to god we're gonna need a serious talk about this. 


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Posted 25 January 2019 - 07:09 PM

It doesn't really matter whether it's "great" or "the greatest", given that it's effectively the same thing and serves the same purpose. From the start, it wasn't something where Deku was going to be a great hero among other heroes. He was going to be come All Might, who was the greatest hero of his age, clearly separated from the rest of the heroes of his generation. Deku is no different.

 

It's about time that Deku actually gets something and the manga gets interesting again. And the fact that One For All is developing under Deku is a good thing in that he's not going to become a copy/paste of All Might, and that it opens up the idea that maybe All Might wasn't a good enough fit for OFA to be able to use the other abilities.

 

I'd much rather have what we have now than where the manga was before last week.


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Posted 26 January 2019 - 06:38 PM

Hey this is an interesting thought. What if Deku can only activate one quirk at a time like if he uses his super strength then he can't use the other OFA quirks at the same time. That would actually be interesting and won't be story breaking like some dread


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Posted 26 January 2019 - 07:12 PM

Hey this is an interesting thought. What if Deku can only activate one quirk at a time like if he uses his super strength then he can't use the other OFA quirks at the same time. That would actually be interesting and won't be story breaking like some dread


There should still be heavy restrictions on it though! Like permanent ones like I said:

- a thirty minute timer
- can only use one of the six quirks (once per day & cant access the others for the rest of that day)
- has to wait another 24-48 hours before he can choose which of the six he wants to use.
- lastly, the pain he receives from one for all doubles as those quirks are a secondary component to his quirk

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Posted 29 January 2019 - 12:49 AM

say this and just lol'd 

 

Continuing the Spider-Man theme Deku gets a quirk called One More Day that makes everyone forget about his extra quirks. /s


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THAT'S WHAT HEROES DO, THEY SAVE PEOPLE!!


#3458 Derock

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Posted 01 February 2019 - 08:12 AM

Arc is over...


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What's Happening with the Naruto series as of now!


#3459 Phantom_999

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Posted 01 February 2019 - 11:38 AM

Can't wait to see what happens next!!! :D


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#3460 TouKen4Life3g

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Posted 01 February 2019 - 11:41 AM

We finally reached to the end of the tunnel! *man tears*




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