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[James S Cassidy]

Resurrection "F" was definitely one of the most egregious examples of power scaling (Frieza himself, just to be made into an actual threat to give reason for using him again besides purely nostalgia) while simultaneously contradicting previous things like Gohan's power dropping somehow being FAR greater after one year from Buu to then, compared to seven years from Cell to Buu.

And I know I'm in a minority but I tend to call people out on such things when it comes to Resident Evil 6. Obviously it's by no means one of the greatest games ever but I constantly see people bashing RE6 but the reasons they give for why it's "bad" are things that could also be applied to RE4, but they continue to call RE4 a "masterpiece".

And it's fine for me. To me, Dragonball Super is basically the Michael Bay of anime. You watch it for the fun explosions, colors, and just the simple message of overcoming limits. It falls apart if you think too seriously about it. What gets me is the fans that take it too seriously that anything you point out, even the most obvious, gets brushed off the cuff of their sleeve.

You can tell this when, back in the day, Toriyama himself said in an interview that SSJ3 is the strongest Goku will ever get. That was the pinnacle of strength for him, but now that Super has come...well, SSJ3 is now nothing. So not even Toriyama himself takes it seriously.

My only problem with RE6 was just the fact that they repeat the same boss like 5 times. Literally. Same boss, different arenas. It felt like creativity was gone. Other than that, it was okay.
 

 

Becaaaaauuuuuuuuuse............. for Sasuke and Naruto, it is a seme and uke routine?
 

 

Oh yeah forgot. Because violence and berating people is his way of showing love because....excuses reasons.


 

Edited by James S Cassidy, 18 January 2019 - 07:11 PM.

[Bail o' Lies]

Resurrection "F" was definitely one of the most egregious examples of power scaling (Frieza himself, just to be made into an actual threat to give reason for using him again besides purely nostalgia) while simultaneously contradicting previous things like Gohan's power dropping somehow being FAR greater after one year from Buu to then, compared to seven years from Cell to Buu.

And I know I'm in a minority but I tend to call people out on such things when it comes to Resident Evil 6. Obviously it's by no means one of the greatest games ever but I constantly see people bashing RE6 but the reasons they give for why it's "bad" are things that could also be applied to RE4, but they continue to call RE4 a "masterpiece".

Actually there are two arguments to be had with that. Either a) yes the power scaling did get out of control, or b) the main cast haven't gotten as strong as everyone had thought.

 

From what I understand Goku in his base form was still weaker then Freeza was on Namek by the Battle of Gods arc. The reason for this was throughout Z the cast was over-reliance on power-up transformations. In the android/cell saga they were focus on obtaining a power beyond super sayjin. At the start of the Buu saga both Vegeta and Goku were training in super sayjin forms, Vegeta sold his soul to babidi for a power-up, Goku gain SS3 which had massive stamina draw backs, uses of fusion throughout, and Old Kai unleashing Gohan full potential to the point he no longer needed super sayjin. With this over-reliance on gimmicks even to train it hindered their growth; until after the BoG arc. Where both Goku and Vegeta started training together with Whis primarily in their based states. 

[Yyubie]

Which is why we call them biased. Even if I weren't to compare characters in the same universe, it is still pretty biased when they like another couple with the exact same dynamic and while it is okay for them, it is not okay for NaruSaku.

Ruroni Kenshin is an example too. Kenshin and Kaoru had this very same dynamic and yet how many would say their relationship is awesome? Yet, they follow the same dynamic. Boy meets girl. Girls doesn't respect or value him cause she thinks less of him. Boy has goofball demeanor until stuff gets real, and when she finally sees the true him she respects him.

Same dynamic...yet two different opinions.

I am basically calling them out on their biased nature. It is one thing to like one pairing over another. It is another to use an argument saying it makes it bad for one, but say the same dynamic is what makes another couple special.

Like you said: If Sakura does it, it is bad, but if Hinata does it, it is just the tops.

You either condemn all of it or none of it in my book. Otherwise, you're biased and obviously have a narrow minded viewpoint which is sad cause these people are smarter than they really are.

Just like how I hate Hinata's obsession over Naruto, I hate Sakura and Naruto's obsession over Sasuke. Which, speaking of, how come they don't have issues with the SNS dynamic since even Sasuke was "being mean to poor wittle Nawuto."



 

In Samurai X scenario there is no love triangle , there is no love rival , so Kenshin and Kaoru is a done deal and i might add that Kaoru is not flat chested. So i can understand a little bit why other couple like minakushi or kenru that have same dynamic didn't get hate like narusaku. They don't have a choice , there's no one we know that like Kushina except Minato and there is no one that we know love Minato except Kushina , no love triangle , so the trivial thing like if Kushina abusive/violent or flat chested is not matter because they have no other possible love interest. When there is no choice people will accept what was given to them.

 

While in case of NaruSaku , we know that hinata likes naruto and sakura loves sasuke. This create a choice because there is other possible love interest , and because there is an alternative people starting to "COMPARE" feature between each character , which one is better ? which one have the sexiest body ? which one is more handsome / beautiful ? , etc. This automatically makes physical appearance MATTER in the eyes of those fanatics , flat chest vs big chest , submissive vs abusive , usefulness vs useless.

 

In short is : if there is no love triangle , if there is no hinata and sasuke , NS will not get hate (maybe a little). I said it many many times , love triangle is a cursed , i despise it , i hate it , i avoid it like a plague , it create nothing but trouble and sadness , because not only someone will get hurt but it will divide the fandom and creating a toxic fanbase.

[Bail o' Lies]

If we are talking about Rounin Kenshin. Yes, he was married at one point, but by the point the story started she had been dead for over ten years. The manga is about Kenshin's redemption as well as coming to terms with his past -which does involve both his past as an assassin, and his dead wife-, but also moving on by finding friends, ending his wandering by settling down, and finding happiness by marrying Kaoru.

[HalfDemonInuyasha]

And it's fine for me. To me, Dragonball Super is basically the Michael Bay of anime. You watch it for the fun explosions, colors, and just the simple message of overcoming limits. It falls apart if you think too seriously about it. What gets me is the fans that take it too seriously that anything you point out, even the most obvious, gets brushed off the cuff of their sleeve.

You can tell this when, back in the day, Toriyama himself said in an interview that SSJ3 is the strongest Goku will ever get. That was the pinnacle of strength for him, but now that Super has come...well, SSJ3 is now nothing. So not even Toriyama himself takes it seriously.

My only problem with RE6 was just the fact that they repeat the same boss like 5 times. Literally. Same boss, different arenas. It felt like creativity was gone. Other than that, it was okay.
 

 

 

Oh yeah forgot. Because violence and berating people is his way of showing love because....excuses reasons.


 

I think it's because the boss fight (I assume it's the Simmons one? And/or Ustonak?) takes place one stage after the other (and are a little longer) rather than spaced out in short bursts over the course of the game like Mr. X in RE2 or like Nemesis in RE3 (a few times normally, then a couple times more mutated, then finally ending with his twisted mutated form).
 

 

If we are talking about Rounin Kenshin. Yes, he was married at one point, but by the point the story started she had been dead for over ten years. The manga is about Kenshin's redemption as well as coming to terms with his past -which does involve both his past as an assassin, and his dead wife-, but also moving on by finding friends, ending his wandering by settling down, and finding happiness by marrying Kaoru.

Thinking of Kenshin makes me think of Hiko which makes me think of Itachi and how poorly Kishimoto utilized him compared to Hiko when it comes to an OP side character's involvement in the story.

Hiko was well-balanced in his use. Just enough was shown of his power and skill that he was indeed VERY OP compared to EVERYONE (even Watsuki said Hiko could have easily defeated everyone Kenshin faced and had difficulty writing Hiko into the story because of being so strong) but not showing so much that he stole the story from Kenshin and end up solving all his current problems.

Itachi STARTED similarly when he first re-appeared in Konoha in part one. We were told about what a prodigy he was and we knew he had to be powerful to be able to wipe out (half) an entire powerful clan like the Uchiha Clan and so we finally got a small taste of his power when he easily beat Kurenai and Kakashi, and even managed to survive Jiraiya, but then rather than keeping Itachi more in the background and letting him help like Hiko did with Kenshin, Kishimoto ended up getting Itachi more directly involved and showing off more and more OP abilities, especially against Sasuke himself, only to kill Itachi off in a BS way ala some unnamed illness just so he couldn't do more....only to then bring him back via Edo Tensei and, surprise surprise, help solve (one of) Sasuke's problems for him...the whole double agent thing also didn't help and it just made Itachi feel...wasted? Inconsistent? He basically went from seeming badass to "ehh".

[KClaws_2]

 

This is NaruHina fans everytime they see James S Cassidy make a great point about Hinata.

It says a lot about them given the fact that THEY WON. I mean, have Kataang shippers been attacking Zutara shippers? I haven't certainly heard any such thing, and it wouldn't make sense. Their ship won, and they did the smart thing with dissenters: They ignored them. They were confident in their pairing and don't go out of their way to harass fans of the losing ship. Because in the end it would have been a waste of time.

Whenever an NH fan loses their cool over an opinion like ours, YEARS after the ending, it just tells me they know we're right. 

 

 
I always find it Hilarious that the common mentality of these days is if you are an actual fan of something you can NEVER admit if it has flaws. It must be  perfect in your eyes and devoid of anything but flawlessness. That admitting a flaw of something is a personal attack on that thing and indrectly attacking fans' worth of their love for that thing. It's Funny, really funny.

It's really ridiculous. As the saying goes, "Nobody or Nothing is Perfect". Quite frankly, it would be a very boring world if everything WAS perfect, and what's perfect in one person's eyes is bad in another's. You CAN like something despite it's flaws, and you can dislike something even if it has a lot of good qualities. 

 

I've also been thinking of another excuse that bothers me regarding the pairings: Using other series' to justify what happened in Naruto.

 

DragonBall is usually the prime example, claiming that Kishimoto was inspired by VegetaxBulma (not realizing he hated DragonBall Freiza saga and thereafter), and trying to compare Chi-Chi to Hinata (uh, NO).

They've also claimed Naruto and Sakura's reunion at the beginning of Part 2 was based off of when Goku reunited with his friends as an adult, pointing to how Bulma commented on how handsome Goku had become.

Uh, was it ever hinted that Goku had a crush on Bulma? NO. Was it teased after the reunion how Bulma had budding feelings for Goku? NO. Was Bulma ever compared to Goku's mother? Well, if she was, it wasn't until WELL AFTER the two were married to DIFFERENT PEOPLE. Did Toriyama drag out the romantic subplot to mislead his readers that Goku would marry Bulma? Nope, same arc he got him hooked up to Chi-Chi. 

These fans seem to think of Naruto as a remake of DragonBall, but the truth is it has VERY LITTLE in common with it. Kishimoto was mainly inspired by the fights (or so he claims). I don't think romance ever played a part in that, and he was inspired by other series as well. 

 

Some have gone as far to claim GCC and VB are parallels to NH and SS, without realizing we drew parallels to characters that existed IN THE SAME SERIES.

 

Another one that irks me is using Sonic characters. They highlight Tails as Naruto (multi-tailed fox) Shadow as Sasuke (anti-hero) and Amy Rose as Sakura (pink?) and somehow use this to justify the endgame pairings.

Except one problem: NO ONE IS HOOKED UP WITH ANYONE IN THE OFFICIAL SONIC CANON, AND SEGA WANTS TO KEEP IT THAT WAY. What's more, Tails doesn't like Amy, Shadow doesn't like Amy, and Amy CLEARLY HAS THE HOTS FOR SONIC!

 

The closest you'll get to a Sonic character hooking up with anyone is in the Archie Comics, and in those Sonic only marries Sally in alternate timelines as a compromise to Sega so that he remains single in the main timeline (before they rebooted it).

[Derock]

Another one that irks me is using Sonic characters. They highlight Tails as Naruto (multi-tailed fox) Shadow as Sasuke (anti-hero) and Amy Rose as Sakura (pink?) and somehow use this to justify the endgame pairings.

Except one problem: NO ONE IS HOOKED UP WITH ANYONE IN THE OFFICIAL SONIC CANON, AND SEGA WANTS TO KEEP IT THAT WAY. What's more, Tails doesn't like Amy, Shadow doesn't like Amy, and Amy CLEARLY HAS THE HOTS FOR SONIC!

 

The closest you'll get to a Sonic character hooking up with anyone is in the Archie Comics, and in those Sonic only marries Sally in alternate timelines as a compromise to Sega so that he remains single in the main timeline (before they rebooted it).

 

Oh ho, you missed out an incident about the Naruto-Sonic "parallels" one member tried to claim a couple of years ago. Its in the backlogs here. I had to shut that down immediately because as a Sonic fan myself, I was facepalming and rolling eyes at the same time, just by glancing at the long essays.

[sushi.]

 

Oh ho, you missed out an incident about the Naruto-Sonic "parallels" one member tried to claim a couple of years ago. Its in the backlogs here. I had to shut that down immediately because as a Sonic fan myself, I was facepalming and rolling eyes at the same time, just by glancing at the long essays.

I remember her.

[Bail o' Lies]

Oh ho, you missed out an incident about the Naruto-Sonic "parallels" one member tried to claim a couple of years ago. Its in the backlogs here. I had to shut that down immediately because as a Sonic fan myself, I was facepalming and rolling eyes at the same time, just by glancing at the long essays.

....Was that the one where I mockingly pointed out you could make the same comparisons with the Arisocats?

[Derock]

....Was that the one where I mockingly pointed out you could make the same comparisons with the Arisocats?

 

Yes, you did made a comment about that. I remembered.

 

EDIT: And you mentioned Tales of Vesperia too.

[TheFirstEvil100]

 
Yes, you did made a comment about that. I remembered.
 
EDIT: And you mentioned Tales of Vesperia too.

That must have been way before I joined the site.

[Derock]

That must have been way before I joined the site.

 

Nah, it happened around 2016.

[KClaws_2]

 

Oh ho, you missed out an incident about the Naruto-Sonic "parallels" one member tried to claim a couple of years ago. Its in the backlogs here. I had to shut that down immediately because as a Sonic fan myself, I was facepalming and rolling eyes at the same time, just by glancing at the long essays.

I have a feeling this same person made that post on DeviantArt that I saw way back in the day.

 

Seeing Analyzer's posts, the pro-enders need to realize making 20 page essays to each reply doesn't make you look like a genius; it just makes you look insane. After a point everyone loses interest in what you have to say when all we want to do is see the next person's piece.

[James S Cassidy]

Speaking of Analyzer and poor form arguments...

Does anybody ever get tired of people saying to you, especially from proenders, that "it is just a story?" I hate this argument because it is always used against me when I feel they start losing the argument. True story, I had someone make a claim that Sakura never valued Naruto and I showed a whole thing with panels saying that Sakura may not have valued in the beginning, but later on in the story she valued and cared for him greatly and even showed how Minato and Kushina had the same demographic. I showed that even Kushina says "I was young and stupid, but when I grew up I saw value in him" and the only argument I got back was "Dude, it is just a story."

Just a story? If it just a story, why did so many wanted NH to be canon so badly? If it is just a story what was wrong with NS being canon and why would this piss people off if it was? (That was his argument that people would be pissed if NS was canon.)

I eventually said that that was the main problem was the story sucked and NH was a cop-out fanservice to make people happy rather than writing a good story.

But every time I prove people wrong, they always love pulling the "Calm down, buddy, it is just a story." Yeah, it is just a story. Now apply that to all the people that oogle NH. "Calm down, it is just a story." Tell that people who worship Hinata like a goddess. "Calm down, it is just a story."

[Phantom_999]

Tell them "Calm down it's just a story", then show them all the death threats directed at Kishi if NH didn't happen, or comments like if NH didn't happen they would kill themselves, and how NS fans/SNS fans are the WORST."     

Edited by Phantom_999, 27 January 2019 - 07:05 PM.

[James S Cassidy]

Tell them "Calm down it's just a story, then show them all the death threats directed at Kishi if NH didn't happen or comments like if NH didn't happen they would kill themselves and how NS fans/SNS fans are the WORST."     

I did, actually. lol

I was like: "It's just a story huh? I guess all the NH pairing fan death threats shows just how of "just a story" it really is."

[sushi.]

I have a feeling this same person made that post on DeviantArt that I saw way back in the day.
 
Seeing Analyzer's posts, the pro-enders need to realize making 20 page essays to each reply doesn't make you look like a genius; it just makes you look insane. After a point everyone loses interest in what you have to say when all we want to do is see the next person's piece.

That wasnt Analyzer, it was the narusaku/sasuhina fan. Analyzed got banned and the other one announced her departure and everyone shrugged.

[jak123]

That wasnt Analyzer, it was the narusaku/sasuhina fan. Analyzed got banned and the other one announced her departure and everyone shrugged.

I never understood SasuHina shippers. Did they ever interact even once in the story?

[Bail o' Lies]

They interacted in the Boruto movie...after about 12-13 years of being married to other people. It was pretty much, "where is Naruto?" "In his office." Romance of the millennial I tell you.

[sushi.]

They also interacted in naruto movie bonds.