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#341 Codus N

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Posted 04 September 2012 - 09:07 AM

Someone at MH just pointed out a very interesting theory:


Obito: Birthday - 10 February
Izuna: Birthday - 10 February

Obito: Bloodtype - 0
Izuna: Bloodtype - 0

Random similarities? I don't think so, is Obito actually a "replica" of Izuna?

We haven't heard anything yet of Obitos parents could it be that he isn't a real born ninja but rather an experiment done by Madara?

I mean that would explain why Madara took his time to actually rescue this "random" Uchiha. He already knew him so there was a point for him to be rescued. I highly doubt Madara just randomly found Obito under the rocks.

Tobi/Obito found out that he was nothing more than... well, nothing?

-Reasons for him to turn into what he is now:
He found out that he isn't human, his last wish got crushed = that girl that he loved didn't cared about him/she got killed (most likely), people knew about his connection to Madara/hate involved towards him.

Therefor = I am No One, as he stated is making sense.

What do you think?


To be honest, this is likely the perfect middle ground between the Izuna & Obito theorists. What if Obito is some sort of experimentation of Madara from the beginning?? what if he was a reincarnation of sorts of Izuna?? what if he was a nearly "failed" experiment because of the warmth Rin and his friends gave him?? the possibilities are endless.

Madara planned to use Obito against Konoha from the beginning, he planted him inside Konoha and until the time was right, he would use him. But his plan nearly failed because Obito embraced Konoha's ideology of peace and strength through love. Not only that, apparently he didn't turn out to be much of an Uchiha.... Until the Kannabi bridge incident.

If Rin were to be heavily involved, her playing the role of Obito's morality chain is definitely plausible. She's the one who prevented him from falling into the darkness he is in now. Basically, Rin was everything to Obito, and the warmth and love she gave him (although she never really realized whether she truly loved Obito or not), had acted as a perfect deterrent against Madara's ideals.

I think Madara implanted some kind of Jutsu similar to Sasori's mind jutsu into Obito, but it never had an effect thanks to Rin. Because of how important Rin was to Obito and how strong his love was for her, Obito unintentionally created a mental block preventing the jutsu from taking effect. By that point, Madara deemed him a failure. Until Obito's "death", that is.....

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Posted 04 September 2012 - 10:01 AM

^ I saw that similar theory on NF about a month ago. However I couldn't find a way to confirm Tobi's birthday blood type.
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Posted 04 September 2012 - 10:36 AM

The birthday and blood type is Obito's. Not Tobi's. If I'm correct, Tobi's birthday & blood type was never disclosed.

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Posted 04 September 2012 - 11:09 AM

now see, that makes a lot more sense than Obito just flipping his kitten.

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Posted 04 September 2012 - 12:34 PM

QUOTE (Branden @ Sep 4 2012, 12:20 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
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Look at that! Obito doesn't screw around, when he said he is going to crush the ninja world he ment it!

Yes. I just quoted that last panel three posts above yours. It struck me as very relevant too. smile.gif


QUOTE (Codus N @ Sep 4 2012, 02:07 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
To be honest, this is likely the perfect middle ground between the Izuna & Obito theorists.

The truth does seem to be somewhere in this ballpark. Yesterday I was rereading about Izuna, and looked into his history as well as reread the chapters focusing on the night of Naruto's birth. A couple of things I was mulling:

+ The circumstances of Izuna's death were not specific.

+ Itachi implied that Madara took Izuna's eyes by force.

+ Tobi's fixation with eyes, which I mentioned before could apply to Obito, Izuna, or Shisui.

+ Izuna and Madara were reportedly very competitive with each other but close, implying they would likely have had a long-range plan for domination they both were working toward. OR... perhaps Izuna was secretly unhappy in Madara's shadow and working on his own plan.

+ Kishimoto had ET!Madara refresh everyone's memory by mentioning Izuna's death as recently as #577. "The only thing my brother left after his death was his eyes and their power. If anything truly can be handed down... it's hatred." Intentional misdirection by Kishimoto? Or does Madara maybe not know of his brother's competitive plans? Or is this the clearest hint that at some point Obito and Izuna were somehow merged?

+ The night Naruto was born, the masked man who engaged Minato said, "Do you have any idea how long I've waited for this moment?" As we all know, that couldn't have been Obito, but if Izuna longed to be out of Madara's shadow? Getting a shot at controlling the Kyubi himself might account for that statement. Or if he and Madara were/are still working together, it might simply refer to the fact that Izuna gave up his eyes to Madara before he experienced the power of controlling Kurama.

+ My friend's remark that obbito means dead person (I mentioned this before, here.)

It's 5:30am, so please excuse the stream of consciousness nature of this post. I don't have time for more.


Edited by KnS, 04 September 2012 - 12:35 PM.


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Posted 04 September 2012 - 05:11 PM

QUOTE (merryGOflava @ Aug 31 2012, 11:13 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
why are almost all the naruto girls hopeless romantics?


Because then he can make his charactors flawed and still easily forgiven.


Another inconsistency, we see Anko in the Chunin Exams, this is atleast 17 years ago, when she was seven years old. she is most definitely not seven,

QUOTE (Chucky-kun @ Sep 2 2012, 02:48 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Kishi will probably clear up any timeline inconsistencies so just be patient.


Well we can only hope, some thing will get cleared up, quite a few inconsistencies in Kabuto's flashback got cleared up in his flashback, so we can hope that the same is true for this one, but we can pretty much consider all the inconsistencies from the Databooks ignored, I doubt he can explain how everyone who was a diffrent age now suddenly all be the same age.


QUOTE (Branden @ Sep 4 2012, 08:20 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>

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Look at that! Obito doesn't screw around, when he said he is going to crush the ninja world he ment it!


He sure did, odd way to sure you care for your companions though, you know like killing your sensies wife, attaching explosive tags to his newborn son, unleashing the Kyuubi on them, We are talking beyond Fatal Attraction level of showing your love here...I love the world so much, I want to destroy it....actually, come to think of it, that's been the plot for many villians in Manga and other forms of media for decades maybe even centuries.

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Posted 04 September 2012 - 05:39 PM

Actually, that scene with Obito and Kakashi feels like an foreshadow, maybe after he survived, he somehow discovered about all the dirty and nasty things that were done in the ninja world, these facts just helped to break him as an individual, to an point were he is willing to change the Shinobi world by all means necessary.

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Posted 04 September 2012 - 06:07 PM

QUOTE (alexander @ Sep 4 2012, 12:39 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Actually, that scene with Obito and Kakashi feels like an foreshadow, maybe after he survived, he somehow discovered about all the dirty and nasty things that were done in the ninja world, these facts just helped to break him as an individual, to an point were he is willing to change the Shinobi world by all means necessary.


The question then becomes if he lived why did he not immediately try to go back?

I'd guess either (a) he's "revived" in some fashion after the event or (b) he is "rescued" by someone who does to him what he did to Sasuke.

EDIT: I'd add that even that doesn't seem to square the circle for me because it means that he became disenchanted with Konoha before Rin died (unless the death was in the immediate aftermath of Gaiden) when Kishimoto is making it sounds like Rin's death was the catalyst (at least that is what I gather from the special attention Kishimoto paid to their relationshipsn in the Obito flashback.

It feels like there has to be more to it than that.

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Posted 04 September 2012 - 06:16 PM

QUOTE (Nate River @ Sep 4 2012, 07:07 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
The question then becomes if he lived why did he not immediately try to go back?

I'd guess either (a) he's "revived" in some fashion after the event or (b) he is "rescued" by someone who does to him what he did to Sasuke.

EDIT: I'd add that even that doesn't seem to square the circle for me because it means that he became disenchanted with Konoha before Rin died (unless the death was in the immediate aftermath of Gaiden) when Kishimoto is making it sounds like Rin's death was the catalyst (at least that is what I gather from the special attention Kishimoto paid to their relationshipsn in the Obito flashback.


I actually had been hearing about an interesting theory. That Madara himself might be the one that saved him. He would see some potention on Obito and took him out of the rubble, he showed to him all the truth about the Uchihas and the ninja world in general, then Obito would become like an Star killer for Darth Vader. Then after some time Marada died for some reason, and Obito carried on his plans.

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Posted 04 September 2012 - 08:40 PM

Finally! So, Tobi is Obito as I predicted. Chapter was nice, showing flashbacks and memories about Obito. And I'm sorry for Kakashi. Just looking on his face... sad.gif Damn Obito, you bastard!

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Posted 05 September 2012 - 12:12 AM

QUOTE (Codus N @ Sep 4 2012, 02:07 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Someone at MH just pointed out a very interesting theory:


Obito: Birthday - 10 February
Izuna: Birthday - 10 February

Obito: Bloodtype - 0
Izuna: Bloodtype - 0

Random similarities? I don't think so, is Obito actually a "replica" of Izuna?

We haven't heard anything yet of Obitos parents could it be that he isn't a real born ninja but rather an experiment done by Madara?

I mean that would explain why Madara took his time to actually rescue this "random" Uchiha. He already knew him so there was a point for him to be rescued. I highly doubt Madara just randomly found Obito under the rocks.

Tobi/Obito found out that he was nothing more than... well, nothing?

-Reasons for him to turn into what he is now:
He found out that he isn't human, his last wish got crushed = that girl that he loved didn't cared about him/she got killed (most likely), people knew about his connection to Madara/hate involved towards him.

Therefor = I am No One, as he stated is making sense.

What do you think?

To be honest, this is likely the perfect middle ground between the Izuna & Obito theorists. What if Obito is some sort of experimentation of Madara from the beginning?? what if he was a reincarnation of sorts of Izuna?? what if he was a nearly "failed" experiment because of the warmth Rin and his friends gave him?? the possibilities are endless.

Madara planned to use Obito against Konoha from the beginning, he planted him inside Konoha and until the time was right, he would use him. But his plan nearly failed because Obito embraced Konoha's ideology of peace and strength through love. Not only that, apparently he didn't turn out to be much of an Uchiha.... Until the Kannabi bridge incident.

If Rin were to be heavily involved, her playing the role of Obito's morality chain is definitely plausible. She's the one who prevented him from falling into the darkness he is in now. Basically, Rin was everything to Obito, and the warmth and love she gave him (although she never really realized whether she truly loved Obito or not), had acted as a perfect deterrent against Madara's ideals.

I think Madara implanted some kind of Jutsu similar to Sasori's mind jutsu into Obito, but it never had an effect thanks to Rin. Because of how important Rin was to Obito and how strong his love was for her, Obito unintentionally created a mental block preventing the jutsu from taking effect. By that point, Madara deemed him a failure. Until Obito's "death", that is.....


Makes sense. Although It could be plausible after his supposed "death".

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Posted 05 September 2012 - 03:04 AM

Anyone else notice this?



rin is that you

Haha, nawh. I thought it was funny, how they have similar clothing and all. ^^

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Posted 05 September 2012 - 03:14 AM

QUOTE (mydearbeloved @ Sep 4 2012, 08:04 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Anyone else notice this?



rin is that you

Haha, nawh. I thought it was funny, how they have similar clothing and all. ^^


Maybe its family like her daughter or something.
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Posted 05 September 2012 - 04:11 AM

So it was him all along. I should have known.



The Uchiha's White Knight up until his darkest fall...

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Posted 05 September 2012 - 04:45 AM

Yeah, that's a very apt description of Obito. Especially if Rin is a major factor.

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Posted 05 September 2012 - 05:22 AM

I just wanted to add one more thing about this chapter before Ch. 600 comes out is that Kishi kind of gives us a better reason for Obito to be in love with Rin, than for Naruto to be in love with Sakura. Now, don't get me wrong, Obito's friendship with Rin is very similar to Naruto's friendship to Sakura (PARALLEL!!!!!!!!!!!!!), but it is the way it started. Rin was nice to Obito, evident by the way she gave him the ninja academy entrance papers, but Sakura wasn't nice to Naruto. Remember, Sakura hated Naruto (or at least, she think she did) and looked down on him like everyone else. Of what we've seen of Rin, she was never mean to Obito and she actually seemed supportive to him. Unless Kishi shows us a flashback that showed Sakura being nice to Naruto when they were little kids, Sakura didn't act like that to Naruto until later in the series. Mind you, it wasn't MUCH later in the series, as she was one of the first (if not, the first) of his classmates to support his dream of becoming Hokage, evident when she was willing to quit the chunin test so that she wouldn't have to see his dream crush (and people thought Sakura was TOTALLY selfish in Part 1, when I only thought of her as just being useless).

The reason of why I point that out, is because that's one of the reason why people are not only against Narusaku, but why they don't see it happening. They both didn't start out as friends, they BECAME friends. Now they act the way Obito and Rin acted to each other in this chapter. If there is anyone who actually read the chapter, despite their personally opinion of the chapter as whole, actually believe that Obito doesn't 'belong' to be Rin, and that she should be with Kakashi, then those people.................... Seriously, if you read this chapter (along with the Gaiden chapters), and you go like 'God, I hope Obito doesn't win Rin over', then I................don't know what you were reading. Of course they can never be together, because 1) Obito is now Tobi, so that means he's either evil or not entirely there, and 2) Rin is probably dead...PROBABLY. But my point still stands, you are suppose to like Obito the character, and you want to see him succeed. It is also because the fact that you like Obito that by the last page, when you realize that he is Tobi, it makes that more tragic. Is it also by coincidence that Obito and Rin's relationship is similar to that of Naruto and Sakura's. Kishi obviously based Obito on Naruto, and most likely or not, probably based Rin on Sakura (come on, see the panel where they're smiling at the bench. They look like them, ESPECIALLY Obito/Naruto). So, yet again, he probably based their relationship with that of Naruto and Sakura's. The same thing amplies to the fact that Obito's relationship with Kakashi is similar to how Naruto's relationship with Sasuke USE to be. Though that was explored more in Kakashi's Gaiden chapters, so I guess it wasn't worth bringing it up again. But then again the manga keeps reminded us of how 'strong' Naruto and Sasuke's bond is, that I'm actually surprised me that they didn't focus more on Obito's relationship with Kakashi. Oh, and Rin also had a crush on Kakashi like Sakura has a crush on Sasuke (PARALLEL!!!!!!!!!!!!!).

Okay, the fact is that we are suppose to like Obito for who he WAS, and the fact that he was almost exactly like Naruto, means that in what we want to see Obito succeed (become stronger, get the girl) are the same as in what we want to see Naruto succeed. If you didn't sympathized with Obito, or at least grasp the concept that we are suppose to sympathize with this character, then why do you read Naruto. Obito has similar goals to Naruto, he is pretty much an Uchilia version of him, so the fact you don't want to see him succeed also means that you wouldn't also want to see Naruto, the main character, to succeed. In fact, the only main difference (other than the fact he is an Uchilia) between them is that Obito seemed a LITTLE bit more focus on impressing the girl, while Naruto was trying to impress the whole village (Sakura is included in this). But like I said, we want to see both of them succeed in their goals, which includes the goal of getting the girl he likes who is also on his team. If there is anyone who honestly didn't at least sympathize, or understand that we are suppose to sympathize, with his one-sided crush, then..............I honestly don't know.

Before I end this, here's my list of reason of why I think Kishi decided to focus on Obito's one-sided love on Rin: 1) The fate of Rin will be one of factors of how he became Tobi, 2) Kishi may have felt that he didn't need to explore more with Obito and Kakashi's relationship, and decided to explore more with his relationship with Rin, 3) Lay down the seed where it starts showing that romance, particularly Naruto and Sakura's relationship (seeing how it was VERY similar to that of Obito and Rin's), may come into play again, or 4) There is no real reason, it is just how the the story came out. Either way, I win.

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Posted 05 September 2012 - 07:15 AM

QUOTE (Transformers03 @ Sep 5 2012, 01:22 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I just wanted to add one more thing about this chapter before Ch. 600 comes out is that Kishi kind of gives us a better reason for Obito to be in love with Rin, than for Naruto to be in love with Sakura. Now, don't get me wrong, Obito's friendship with Rin is very similar to Naruto's friendship to Sakura (PARALLEL!!!!!!!!!!!!!), but it is the way it started. Rin was nice to Obito, evident by the way she gave him the ninja academy entrance papers, but Sakura wasn't nice to Naruto. Remember, Sakura hated Naruto (or at least, she think she did) and looked down on him like everyone else. Of what we've seen of Rin, she was never mean to Obito and she actually seemed supportive to him. Unless Kishi shows us a flashback that showed Sakura being nice to Naruto when they were little kids, Sakura didn't act like that to Naruto until later in the series. Mind you, it wasn't MUCH later in the series, as she was one of the first (if not, the first) of his classmates to support his dream of becoming Hokage, evident when she was willing to quit the chunin test so that she wouldn't have to see his dream crush (and people thought Sakura was TOTALLY selfish in Part 1, when I only thought of her as just being useless).

The reason of why I point that out, is because that's one of the reason why people are not only against Narusaku, but why they don't see it happening. They both didn't start out as friends, they BECAME friends. Now they act the way Obito and Rin acted to each other in this chapter. If there is anyone who actually read the chapter, despite their personally opinion of the chapter as whole, actually believe that Obito doesn't 'belong' to be Rin, and that she should be with Kakashi, then those people.................... Seriously, if you read this chapter (along with the Gaiden chapters), and you go like 'God, I hope Obito doesn't win Rin over', then I................don't know what you were reading. Of course they can never be together, because 1) Obito is now Tobi, so that means he's either evil or not entirely there, and 2) Rin is probably dead...PROBABLY. But my point still stands, you are suppose to like Obito the character, and you want to see him succeed. It is also because the fact that you like Obito that by the last page, when you realize that he is Tobi, it makes that more tragic. Is it also by coincidence that Obito and Rin's relationship is similar to that of Naruto and Sakura's. Kishi obviously based Obito on Naruto, and most likely or not, probably based Rin on Sakura (come on, see the panel where they're smiling at the bench. They look like them, ESPECIALLY Obito/Naruto). So, yet again, he probably based their relationship with that of Naruto and Sakura's. The same thing amplies to the fact that Obito's relationship with Kakashi is similar to how Naruto's relationship with Sasuke USE to be. Though that was explored more in Kakashi's Gaiden chapters, so I guess it wasn't worth bringing it up again. But then again the manga keeps reminded us of how 'strong' Naruto and Sasuke's bond is, that I'm actually surprised me that they didn't focus more on Obito's relationship with Kakashi. Oh, and Rin also had a crush on Kakashi like Sakura has a crush on Sasuke (PARALLEL!!!!!!!!!!!!!).

Okay, the fact is that we are suppose to like Obito for who he WAS, and the fact that he was almost exactly like Naruto, means that in what we want to see Obito succeed (become stronger, get the girl) are the same as in what we want to see Naruto succeed. If you didn't sympathized with Obito, or at least grasp the concept that we are suppose to sympathize with this character, then why do you read Naruto. Obito has similar goals to Naruto, he is pretty much an Uchilia version of him, so the fact you don't want to see him succeed also means that you wouldn't also want to see Naruto, the main character, to succeed. In fact, the only main difference (other than the fact he is an Uchilia) between them is that Obito seemed a LITTLE bit more focus on impressing the girl, while Naruto was trying to impress the whole village (Sakura is included in this). But like I said, we want to see both of them succeed in their goals, which includes the goal of getting the girl he likes who is also on his team. If there is anyone who honestly didn't at least sympathize, or understand that we are suppose to sympathize, with his one-sided crush, then..............I honestly don't know.

Before I end this, here's my list of reason of why I think Kishi decided to focus on Obito's one-sided love on Rin: 1) The fate of Rin will be one of factors of how he became Tobi, 2) Kishi may have felt that he didn't need to explore more with Obito and Kakashi's relationship, and decided to explore more with his relationship with Rin, 3) Lay down the seed where it starts showing that romance, particularly Naruto and Sakura's relationship (seeing how it was VERY similar to that of Obito and Rin's), may come into play again, or 4) There is no real reason, it is just how the the story came out. Either way, I win.


You've got a lot of good points, but I just want to say that Obito wasn't hated when he was young because he wasn't a Jinchuriki like Naruto which ironically is because of Obito (unless Obito isn't the only Tobi).

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