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[Nostradamus]

It seems with villains we all have our preferences. The ones I liked were Orochimaru just part 1 (part 2 he's a joke), Nagato and Tobi (Not Obito, just Tobi when he got serious).

 

@rocci A good story with a proper villain needs people to sympathize with that villain. That's what makes them good villains in the first place (that and other things of course). But the scale always needs to be balance out. We also need to sympathize with protagonist.

This is where Kishi screwed up, he introduced a bunch of villains, and all of them had their own back-story that made readers sympathize with them differently; and he forgot about Naruto. While over time we're introduced to Naruto's back-story it never truly changed from what was first introduced; not changed really, change is not the correct word I'm looking for. It didn't progress on the same level as he did with his villains. 

Edited by Nostradamus, 22 October 2015 - 02:50 AM.

[TouKen4Life3g]

@touken
Tobi has three mask: tobi is a good boy, tobi is madara, and tobi is nobody.
Obito still use the last one until naruto beat him and he back to his old self(naruto uchiha).
Rin dead is the cause, but kishi used hokage as the solution to redeem obito.
He should use love too, to redeem obito.

I always thought the good boy concept was done rather quickly. It was an intro, then Sasuke vs. Deidara then surprise surprise, he's "Madara." That's the problem, he was done rather quick with that last mask because it felt like a villain who lost a job and went against the company, only for another person to say, "Why don't you find another job" and the reply is "Gee, I never thought of that..." It should have more ground to it and instead, people were left thinking how forced we have to be to feel bad for Obito. He may not be the final villain, but he was portrayed as a villain for a good period of time. Doing this at a rapid rate was hard to comprehend.

Rin is the cause, but I don't get how flip floppy her outcome kept coming. Obito was once laughed off that she wasn't the cause but then he said it was. Which is it?

[sushi.]

I agree with kabuto.

IMO, kishi make the villains more sympathize then the good guy.
To the point that it make the villain much more interesting than the good guy. I don't think it's a good thing.

In the end, Kabuto's and Orochimaru's dreams were fulfilled. It baffles me how Kishi made their dreams come true, yet not the heroes.

[TheFirstEvil100]

who me?

 

someone who challanges the hero both mentally and physically. one that is able to push them into a corner to their lowest point. one who's reasons are justifiable and make sense.

Yes.

 

Me I like them too but I also like the crazy insane ones as well that do it just for the fun of it true many here wanted a person like that in Naruto but we also have to remember no one is born evil.

 

I mean I would like a person to show up that hates Naruto for the fact he just let Orochimaru live knowing all that the snake did when he was younger, (Something I still hate myself.) Why you may ask well Orochimaru took over his daughter's body to me that would be justifiable because a parents love for their child is a powerful thing,

 

I mean with a NH fan they would say move on and have another child I bet, but do you think that? Do you think he should move on from his daughter dying and just have another child?

[Ryriena]

The only thing that make him seem reasonable is that he took over someone close to Naruto's body and that's; why he still around. I guess this Sakura is a clone based off of memories from Ochiumaru and he took over the real Sakura. He's still alive due to this because he has leverage over Naruto.

[TheFirstEvil100]

The only thing that make him seem reasonable is that he took over someone close to Naruto's body and that's; why he still around. I guess this Sakura is a clone based off of memories from Ochiumaru and he took over the real Sakura. He's still alive due to this because he has leverage over Naruto.

That is an idea I like just the clone of Sakura was kittened up in the head, in more ways then one I might add.

[Suigetsu]

A "normal" NH fan.

Wow... that is the kind of guy that they are catering too. He looks kind of unhealthy, Typical neckbeard trash makes you wonder what they consider normal?
Betafags.

[sushi.]

Wow... that is the kind of guy that they are catering too. He looks kind of unhealthy, Typical neckbeard trash makes you wonder what they consider normal?
Betafags.

The dude kinda looks like Blackbeard from OP actually. x)

[Bail o' Lies]

The dude kinda looks like Blackbeard from OP actually. x)

Compared to forever world black beard looks down right sexy. At least he got a voice you can listen to for more then 3 second with out your skin crawling. He Also tougher and more in shape than forverworld.

[sushi.]

Compared to forever world black beard looks down right sexy. At least he got a voice you can listen to for more then 3 second with out your skin crawling. He Also tougher and more in shape than forverworld.

I didn't mean to bash his appearance, just wanted to point out the funny coincidence.

[TheFirstEvil100]

Compared to forever world black beard looks down right sexy. At least he got a voice you can listen to for more then 3 second with out your skin crawling. He Also tougher and more in shape than forverworld.

lol oh that is true and does not go on about kittens all the time mainly Hinata's which is another funny thing too.

[Narufan85]

In the end, Kabuto's and Orochimaru's dreams were fulfilled. It baffles me how Kishi made their dreams come true, yet not the heroes.

 

Orochimaru, Kabuto, Sasuke, the rest of Sasuke's team: they all get passes and relatively happy endings. I don't understand the complete lack of repercussions in Kishi's work. Of course, this is the guy who had Naruto proclaim Obito "the coolest guy," so I don't know why I'm surprised.

[Otaru]

WHAT . THE . KITTENING . KITTEN

[Nostradamus]

WHAT . THE . KITTENING . KITTEN

Were you expecting something else?

[Otaru]

Were you expecting something else?

 

No. But hey.... is this kitten really for REAL ? I mean..... WHAT THE HELL .....

[Nostradamus]

 

No. But hey.... is this kitten really for REAL ? I mean..... WHAT THE HELL .....

Let me tell you something so you won't be shock in the future anymore. Think of the craziest and dumbest thing you can think about regarding Kishi and his wonderful interviews, and then take that idea and turn it all the way to 11 and beyond. Because it seems the man is reaching for the skies with his either stupidity or ignorance or perhaps both.

 

Oh and yes it is real. Although saying it's real does not make it true.

[Otaru]

Yeah I mean... I have the feeling he's saying wathever comes to his mind... -____-

[sushi.]

Yeah I mean... I have the feeling he's saying wathever comes to his mind... -____-

Maybe he's telling the NHs that they didn't really win, that he's not with them. I'm not trying to be in denial and it's not like I only wish this were true. I don't care that much, I'm genuinly just trying to make sense of it all.

 

The convo goes like this;

NS: NH was never planned. : ( It was a retcon. Kishi was gonna write NS, but changed his mind due succumb to SP's ideas.

NHs: lmao he would never do that :)) Planned from the beginning :) True love

Kishi: Why you like Hinata is it her boobs? Must be her boobs what else is there to like.. I didn't plan her lovestory, SP did. And I didn't care about it. Came up with it in the end. No wait - beginning. Or maybe in the middle..

 

I've never seen an author being so bitter about their own lifework. Never seen someone contradict themselves so much, it must be on purpose. I remember Kishi's old interviews over the years, he never ever behaved like this. It's honestly like he's going down with the NS ship. Then add his coworkers' comments, never forget Junko's words before the company she works for told her to shut up and smile. If NS had been in NH's place, I'd probably rant about it and be a lot more upset. Their situation is worse, but I guess ignorance is bliss.

Edited by sushi., 24 October 2015 - 04:42 PM.

[Otaru]

You're making a lot of sense to me.... I think almost the same.

[rocci]

NS happen is something people expect.