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#41 BlackShirtGuy

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Posted 26 August 2017 - 10:24 PM

 

She fell for the guy who not only saved her in a princess carrying fashion, but also admired a physical trait about her that she was teased and mocked for having. Ring a bell? Add in all the other scenes and materials and I don't really believe the readers are at fault for drawing their conclusions.  :ermm:

 

Naruto does not tell his father he hasn't found anyone yet, but by this point, NH is indisputably the end game anyway given that the movie is already in the final stages of production, so it's moot.

 

It's chekovs gun because each of the scenes I cited serve no purpose in the grand scheme of things. Remove them from the story and nothing changes (which is why they fail even if you try to classify them all as red herrings). In other words, waste of time. You say "well it's entertaining the possibility." Chekov doesn't care about "entertaining a possibility" and if that's not evident upon an initial reading, additionally readings will make that abundantly clear. These scenes are not some grand Shakespearean headfake  that has actual narrative function despite its misleading nature. This is a case of "Why the hell are these scenes even here?"   :headscratch:

Here Analyzer, this video explains it:
https://www.youtube....h?v=QvqzOWMetkY


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Posted 26 August 2017 - 10:46 PM

Here Analyzer, this video explains it:
https://www.youtube....h?v=QvqzOWMetkY

 

Good stuff. :lol:


Edited by ThroughWithLove, 26 August 2017 - 10:46 PM.

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Posted 26 August 2017 - 11:16 PM

Interesting. I didn't even know that there was a word for it. I always just saw it as pointless to put emphasis or make points in a story that don't get taken up later on. Didn't know there was a word for that. Xd. I mean even if you were to say Kushina's words were a red herring and that it didn't matter what she said, the fact that her similarities with Sakura were mentioned once again and given such emphasis makes the idea seem laughable. I mean the thing that distracts you shouldn't be so important in retrospect, yet even before Kushina's words, Kakashi had pointed out that Sakura possessed the same stubbornness as Naruto. And who's like Naruto, personality-wise...Kushina. 


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Posted 27 August 2017 - 09:26 PM

Sai is not a good source here, being that he is quoting information he gets from books and is socially stunted himself. 
 
​Acknowledgement and believing he can become Hokage are not the same thing here. We're talking appreciation here. Sakura's grows leaps and bounds, but in her initial portrayal it was not there. I.E., the argument is that she does not fit the appropriated quote the best. That said, I still disagree in the context that she believes in the dream of Hokage at this time. But I'll move on from this one. 

 
Sai not being a good source because he is quoting information he gets from books is head canon on your part. Nothing in canon has ever framed Sai's perspective in that fashion. Instead, later scenes simply pretend these scenes don't exist. And you're missing the point here. Sai's characterization of Sakura's mentality is consistent with her behavior (be it friendship or romance) and that's that her rough demeanor does not actually reflect how she really thinks and feels towards Naruto.
 
If acknowledgement and believing Naruto can become Hokage not the same thing here, then there is no proof that Hinata believed in Naruto's dream, therefore making the same criticism applicable towards HInata. But yeah, I don't mind moving on.
 
 

 
Correction: I find the view feasible that Naruto is a Protagonist, and every character supports him, I.E., Kiba is a supporting character. We're not talking power levels, or anything else, we're zooming out, pointing at a protagonist, and declaring everyone supports. How much prominence they have varies, but the view is not wrong, there are not multiple protagonists in the story. 

 
If that is what Kishimoto is talking about, then him making the distinction is superfluous. In other words, Kishimoto is basically saying "Hey guys, I've got this HUGE announcement to make. *clears throat* Just like every other character besides Naruto in this manga, Sakura . . . is NOT Naruto! I know it's confusing, but the name of this manga is not Sakura; it's Naruto! Shocking I know!" :lmao: For that matter, why even phrase it in that fashion? Why Kiba specifically? Why not mention a more memorable character such as Sasuke, Kakashi or Jiraiya? Are we really to believe that Kishimoto was simply telling us that every character not named Naruto is a supporting character? Why does he even need to mention Sakura by name? C'mon, you're grasping at straws.
 

 
 
Or, accounting for language barriers, the interviews are consistent. I.E., he planned for something, and committed to it at this time. I fail to see how that is not understandable. 

 
Language barriers might be persuasive if not for the fact that middle and early are two blatantly different terms no matter what the language we are dealing with. And since the translations are trustworthy, we're right back at step one. Either Kishimoto is engaging some enigmatic use of words or the interview is inconsistent. Given the reliability of the translation, the latter conclusion makes the fewest assumptions and is therefore the one most likely to be correct.
 
 

 
Except it's said that was the primary reason, it's shown there's a competitiveness to it. The ground they have in common is actually acknowledgement from Sasuke, (Which is actually the flaw in the early establishment of the NS bond, that was their sole common ground). Further, Sakura and Sasuke and Naruto were on the same team. So it makes sense why he would press for this one over other ones, plus when you add in the pretty aspect. 

 

 
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You're missing the point. If Naruto has any reason to like Sakura beyond wanting to beat Sasuke, the theory put forth in The Last does not hold. I don't think Naruto is particularly enthused about Sakura wanting acknowledgement from Sasuke specifically, but even if that's your interpretation, the bottom line is that there are legitimate feelings here and that he's not trying to one-up Sasuke. This is shown to us again during the hospital scene with Tsunade, again when Naruto makes the promise of a lifetime and again when Naruto expresses to Sai the reason he wouldn't confess his true feelings to Sakura. We see a consistent thread of legitimate feelings and not the petty rivalry Sakura is talking about.
 
You say it's a matter of them being teammates as to why Sakura was picked in particular, but that doesn't explain why Naruto was wanting Sakura to be on his team prior to the teams even being announced. 
 
 

 The Sai Flashback is resolved, the Fake Confession establishes that NS was not going to happen. That -is- the resolution. 

 
 
Which is satisfactory, I suppose, to the reader concerned with nothing beyond her pairing goggles. But to the reader actually wanting a story, she is left confused about why Sai and Naruto said what they did and why it never goes anywhere. Sakura's fake confession doesn't erase Sai's observations about Naruto nor Naruto confirming these observations. And simply pretending that scene never happened afterwards wastes the reader's time. If you don't want NS to happen, fine, but make your scenes matter. Respect the reader's time and patience.
 
 

 
Except the scenes are specifically carried out non-seriously, I.E., humor in chapter 3, sinking in the Fake Confession, humor in the Girlfriend comment. Sure, the readers are not entirely at fault, but if you go back and look to understand what you missed, the outlines of the other major canon couples are there. 

 
The "Now I know why I like her so much" scene in chapter 3 is not humorous. Sakura blushing as she witnesses Naruto's ingenius strategy against Zabuza is not humorous. Naruto being driven to protect Sakura no matter what is not humorous. Naruto's scene in the hospital is not humorous. Yamato's scene with Sakura near the Tenchi Bridge is not humorous. Obito's eerily similar love for Rin is not humorous. Jiraiya's eerily similar love for Tsunade and how it's played up as one of his big regrets in life is not humorous. That and it's a fallacy to suggest to humor makes something irrelevant when we look to comparative works in this genre. Humor is almost always a large component of tsundere romances, so what you're saying doesn't follow.
 
I've gone back and looked again by the way and all I see are scenes that are summarily forgotten and disregarded after a certain point. And as I've said before, that's not just the case with stuff regarding NS.
 
 


 

Because they add humor, and play up a possibility. No, they do not have relevance to the plot at hand, they play towards things in the background, but readers drew interest to this. 

 
See above. There's an abundance of non-humor. Go back and read for yourself. Playing up a possibility is pointless. It actually has to further narrative in some fashion. The scenes I cited don't do this. It's the equivalent to adding a bunch in the scenes in the The Dark Knight that suggest that Commissioner Gordon and the Joker are one in the same, only to summarily abandon this plot thread once the Joker is captured during the second act. Complete and utter waste of time. :no:

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Posted 28 August 2017 - 06:40 AM

During his with Kiba,wasn't Sakura the only one who believed in him?

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Posted 28 August 2017 - 07:44 AM

During his with Kiba,wasn't Sakura the only one who believed in him?

She cheered him on loudly and Hinata stood there with stiff shoulders worrying that he'd lose. She didn't even hesitate who's side she was on even though Kiba was her teammate lol so romanticc

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Posted 14 September 2017 - 09:19 AM

In previous interviews he stated that his wife was as strong as Sakura. It is obvious that Sakura is a model of his wife.
 
In the new interviews changed his mind, he said that Hinata is a model of his wife and not Sakura (does he want to say that Hinata is the best girl and Sakura is the worst girl) that is not logical.
 
I do not understand what's funny about it.


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Posted 14 September 2017 - 11:46 AM


In previous interviews he stated that his wife was as strong as Sakura. It is obvious that Sakura is a model of his wife.
 
In the new interviews changed his mind, he said that Hinata is a model of his wife and not Sakura (does he want to say that Hinata is the best girl and Sakura is the worst girl) that is not logical.
 
I do not understand what's funny about it.

In the new interviews he's said when asked if Hinata is like his wife that his wife is a strong character. Not yes or no, just that, so take it however you want.

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Posted 14 September 2017 - 02:25 PM

In the new interviews he's said when asked if Hinata is like his wife that his wife is a strong character. Not yes or no, just that, so take it however you want.

 

sushi I agree in most that you said.
 
But in my opinion I think Sakura and Hinata model about his wife.
 
But the question is which one (Sakura or Hinata) is more model to his wife?
 
The answer in general is Sakura and the reason she was from the beginning a main character unlike Hinata was a secondary character.
 
He said that Naruto characters are derived from reality It is obvious that Sakura model for his wife more than any girl.
 
It's just openion in the end!

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Posted 17 September 2017 - 06:30 PM

I'm going by interviews so here's what I remember. Sakura was always meant to model his wife. Even His wife shipped Naruto and Sakura. Then there was that whole argument where he tried to tell his wife that Hinata was "actually" meant to be her real representation and whatnot. I kinda wish I could get that whole argument in writing!  :D

 

Then in another interview, one of the reasons for letting Ikemoto work on the Burrito manga series is because he felt bad and wanted him to get published. I quote: "If he wasn't going to create his own series, then I wanted him to get published even if it was continuing my work."

 

As for the Naruto Franchise: Long story short; studio got greedy, editors interfered way too much, Kishimoto sold out, yada yada, Naruto became a milking machine to pad wallets. I never could have predicted such a fate back in '05.

 

Yahagi, you left us too soon. Wherever you are now...


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Posted 17 September 2017 - 06:53 PM

I'm going by interviews so here's what I remember. Sakura was always meant to model his wife. Even His wife shipped Naruto and Sakura. Then there was that whole argument where he tried to tell his wife that Hinata was "actually" meant to be her real representation and whatnot. I kinda wish I could get that whole argument in writing!  :D

 

Then in another interview, one of the reasons for letting Ikemoto work on the Burrito manga series is because he felt bad and wanted him to get published. I quote: "If he wasn't going to create his own series, then I wanted him to get published even if it was continuing my work."

 

As for the Naruto Franchise: Long story short; studio got greedy, editors interfered way too much, Kishimoto sold out, yada yada, Naruto became a milking machine to pad wallets. I never could have predicted such a fate back in '05.

 

Yahagi, you left us too soon. Wherever you are now...

I know Yahagi is working in Shonen Jump-like workplace as a manager or something and that Kishimoto said he was going to make his next manga and cooperate with where Yahagi's at.


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Posted 17 September 2017 - 10:25 PM

I know Yahagi is working in Shonen Jump-like workplace as a manager or something and that Kishimoto said he was going to make his next manga and cooperate with where Yahagi's at.


That sounds like a really good sign.. we shall see what transpires.

You know I also realized something in less than a few months jump festa is gonna be coming again. You guys think Kishi is gonna mention anything?

Personally I think it's gonna very minimal and mainly on Boruto again I mean it's kinda been that way for the last 3 years.

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