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[Phantom_999]

They will probably ignore it. But if anything they are making Hinata the Scary mom type right now anyway so they are incorporating original Kushina either way. If it's gonna happen I want it done right, this is true. But overall I find it preferable to side character's side stories.

[VanitasDS76491]

They will probably ignore it. But if anything they are making Hinata the Scary mom type right now anyway so they are incorporating original Kushina either way. If it's gonna happen I want it done right, this is true. But overall I find it preferable to side character's side stories.

fair enough but that is a worry i have if minato gets his own story and they ruin kushina for hinata

[Phantom_999]

Well on the one hand they probably swallowed that bitter pill of what happened when they sacrificed the integrity of the story for Hinata so I imagine they won't do it again. In fact for merchandising they barely if at all feature Hinata anymore. If they DO, then that just goes to show how much of a hard on they get for Hinata and we REALLY shouldn't even bother with this fallacy of a franchise anymore. I won't and don't right now, and it's no skin off of my nose. I stopped giving my money since 2014

Edited by Phantom_999, 04 January 2023 - 10:05 PM.

[ThroughWithLove]

Another problem with this series is Naruto's transition to being hokage; there is none. At no point does Naruto ever get presented in any leadership capacity prior to donning the white coat. All we know about him is that he has a bigger number than the other ninjas due to fox magic. Much of the 1st timeskip should have revolved around Naruto being put in leadership positions and slowly developing into someone who the reader feels is ready to promote to hokage.

Hell, part of the reason Sakura apprenticing for Tsunade works so well is because it gave her ample opportunity to assist to hokage. Imagine an ending where she puts these skills to good use and is handling the managerial/organizational side of the job for Naruto while keeping him in line!

Edited by ThroughWithLove, 05 January 2023 - 10:02 PM.

[VanitasDS76491]

Another problem with this series is Naruto's transition to being hokage; there is none. At no point does Naruto ever get presented in any leadership capacity prior to donning the white coat. All we know about him is that he has a bigger number than the other ninjas due to fox magic. Much of the 1st timeskip should have revolved around Naruto being put in leadership positions and slowly developing into someone who the reader feels is ready to promote to homage.

Hell, part of the reason Sakura apprenticing for Tsunade works so well is because it gave her ample opportunity to assist to homage. Imagine an ending where she puts these skills to good use and is handling the managerial/organizational side of the job for Naruto while keeping him in line!

why not make her hokage instead since she seem more fit for it than him. cause when has naruto ever shown to be a leader.

[ThroughWithLove]

I could see a running gag where people joke about her being the real hokage despite Naruto officially holding the mantle.

[VanitasDS76491]

I could see a running gag where people joke about her being the real hokage despite Naruto officially holding the mantle.

same though it'd be true since what has naruto really done in his time as hokage

[Riverkid]

Yo, what kind of poll am I witnessing right now? Who came up with this marketing idea of introducing a potential spin-off manga? Like, what is going on?

Am I seeing this right? Are you actually telling me that the top ten voted characters are from Konoha? Wow, what an enrichment! What still needs to be said about Konoha and its people? Imagine following Minato and how he interacts with other characters that have been mentioned and shown over 100 times. In an environment that has been established and fleshed out over 100 times. As cool as Minato is, choosing anyone from Konoha would make a terrible decision for a spin-off manga. It is already a complete disaster that we still have to stick to Konoha with the Boruto-Series, but again in a spin-off? Give it a goddamn rest. You have the foundation of the whole world with multiple nations, dozens of cities, and hundreds of different clans - how about expanding that world by showcasing other people, environments, cultures, and ways of life? Even years after the original series ended, they still neglect so much potential and expansion. How they treat this franchise is a goddam crime.

But yea, let's still milk out the fanbase. Let the fans vote for their favorite character so that we can create content around the said character. What a tremendous business-oriented mindset. Who cares for quality when you can achieve peak engagement to revive a sales boom because you can't stop milking this franchise of a dump enough?

Imagine rushing out the original series and forcing it to an unsatisfying end, so we have to witness this series of trash follow-ups. Kishimoto had to end the original series. He couldn't have passed it over to a different author who may still have time and motivation to wrap this story to a satisfying end. No, he had to end this so that we were left with an unpleasant feeling in our mouths, ultimately killing our appetite before his successors try to spoonfeed us with this junk again.

Imagine voting for Sakura and trusting them to write a good female protagonist.

[Phantom_999]

Hence, don't give them your money. It's not worth it.

Edited by Phantom_999, 08 January 2023 - 09:55 PM.

[VanitasDS76491]

Yo, what kind of poll am I witnessing right now? Who came up with this marketing idea of introducing a potential spin-off manga? Like, what is going on?

Am I seeing this right? Are you actually telling me that the top ten voted characters are from Konoha? Wow, what an enrichment! What still needs to be said about Konoha and its people? Imagine following Minato and how he interacts with other characters that have been mentioned and shown over 100 times. In an environment that has been established and fleshed out over 100 times. As cool as Minato is, choosing anyone from Konoha would make a terrible decision for a spin-off manga. It is already a complete disaster that we still have to stick to Konoha with the Boruto-Series, but again in a spin-off? Give it a goddamn rest. You have the foundation of the whole world with multiple nations, dozens of cities, and hundreds of different clans - how about expanding that world by showcasing other people, environments, cultures, and ways of life? Even years after the original series ended, they still neglect so much potential and expansion. How they treat this franchise is a goddam crime.

But yea, let's still milk out the fanbase. Let the fans vote for their favorite character so that we can create content around the said character. What a tremendous business-oriented mindset. Who cares for quality when you can achieve peak engagement to revive a sales boom because you can't stop milking this franchise of a dump enough?

Imagine rushing out the original series and forcing it to an unsatisfying end, so we have to witness this series of trash follow-ups. Kishimoto had to end the original series. He couldn't have passed it over to a different author who may still have time and motivation to wrap this story to a satisfying end. No, he had to end this so that we were left with an unpleasant feeling in our mouths, ultimately killing our appetite before his successors try to spoonfeed us with this junk again.

Imagine voting for Sakura and trusting them to write a good female protagonist.

good point i don't trust them since all a sakura one would be is her pining for sasuke 

[Riverkid]

Another problem with this series is Naruto's transition to being hokage; there is none. At no point does Naruto ever get presented in any leadership capacity prior to donning the white coat. All we know about him is that he has a bigger number than the other ninjas due to fox magic. Much of the 1st timeskip should have revolved around Naruto being put in leadership positions and slowly developing into someone who the reader feels is ready to promote to hokage.

Hell, part of the reason Sakura apprenticing for Tsunade works so well is because it gave her ample opportunity to assist to hokage. Imagine an ending where she puts these skills to good use and is handling the managerial/organizational side of the job for Naruto while keeping him in line!

What has been mentioned several times: Naruto should have killed Sasuke at the end. Ignoring the narrative decision that Sasuke needed to live to break off the global Genjutsu, it would have been the most crucial focal point for naruto to start his natural character arc, and that shouldn't have been him becoming Hokage. Even tho that has been build up for many years.

Up to this point, he always followed what he was given and what was expected. To follow his father's footsteps, protect his friends, forgive enemies and fork new allies and be the hero of his village. Some of his decisions may have been stubborn, but he never made a decision that others wouldn't get behind. He always put others before himself because thats what the idea of being a Hokage is about - or rather, has been constantly told. Didn't Minato, Hiruzen, or Tsunade reign precisely that way? And yet the cycle of hatred still prevailed during their time. Shouldn't Jiraiya have made the turning point for Naruto to become more than just a Kage of a village? To become someone who can achieve what none other achieved before? True peace. The goal might be foolish, but it's not the destination that matters - it is not a switch; it's a path, a way - being the inspiration and guidance for others to follow. You can only lead the way if you can take on hard decisions. When Sakura couldn't bring herself to kill Sasuke, Naruto should have done it with pure determination. As a child, he chased Sasuke with narrow eyes, emotional and naive. But with age, the fog and mist around him should have revealed the true path he must follow. Finally, bringing the chase to a halt and realizing that your long-lost friend is standing in your way. The burden of having to make a fatal decision that changes your destiny forever.

And it should have been Naruto who leaves the village and takes on a journey to explore the world that needs to be fixed — meeting all different people, going to places that are hidden and unexplored, tumbling over new friends and enemies, getting a sense of the social opinion and political positions, being the first to understand the world before deciding on its solution, and having to deal with his past decision of killing a friend and resolving himself around it.

But our great Kishimoto was presented with the trolley-problem and he just created a rail in the middle to bypass any consequences. Showcasing zero balls to challenge a more mature approach to his plot. We are left with Naruto as the kage of a village, sitting in his chair and doing paperwork. In contrast, he does nothing different than the previous kage before him. And Jiraiya actually put all his hope in Naruto.

[LuckyChi7]

Hence, don't give them your money. It's not worth it.

This series honestly just isnt worth the time and effort anymore. Especially when we got so many other great shounen series that have come out since Naruto ended.

[ThroughWithLove]

What has been mentioned several times: Naruto should have killed Sasuke at the end. Ignoring the narrative decision that Sasuke needed to live to break off the global Genjutsu, it would have been the most crucial focal point for naruto to start his natural character arc, and that shouldn't have been him becoming Hokage. Even tho that has been build up for many years.

Up to this point, he always followed what he was given and what was expected. To follow his father's footsteps, protect his friends, forgive enemies and fork new allies and be the hero of his village. Some of his decisions may have been stubborn, but he never made a decision that others wouldn't get behind. He always put others before himself because thats what the idea of being a Hokage is about - or rather, has been constantly told. Didn't Minato, Hiruzen, or Tsunade reign precisely that way? And yet the cycle of hatred still prevailed during their time. Shouldn't Jiraiya have made the turning point for Naruto to become more than just a Kage of a village? To become someone who can achieve what none other achieved before? True peace. The goal might be foolish, but it's not the destination that matters - it is not a switch; it's a path, a way - being the inspiration and guidance for others to follow. You can only lead the way if you can take on hard decisions. When Sakura couldn't bring herself to kill Sasuke, Naruto should have done it with pure determination. As a child, he chased Sasuke with narrow eyes, emotional and naive. But with age, the fog and mist around him should have revealed the true path he must follow. Finally, bringing the chase to a halt and realizing that your long-lost friend is standing in your way. The burden of having to make a fatal decision that changes your destiny forever.

And it should have been Naruto who leaves the village and takes on a journey to explore the world that needs to be fixed — meeting all different people, going to places that are hidden and unexplored, tumbling over new friends and enemies, getting a sense of the social opinion and political positions, being the first to understand the world before deciding on its solution, and having to deal with his past decision of killing a friend and resolving himself around it.

But our great Kishimoto was presented with the trolley-problem and he just created a rail in the middle to bypass any consequences. Showcasing zero balls to challenge a more mature approach to his plot. We are left with Naruto as the kage of a village, sitting in his chair and doing paperwork. In contrast, he does nothing different than the previous kage before him. And Jiraiya actually put all his hope in Naruto.

 

I used to fundamentally hate this idea. But for some reason . . .after reading your explanation here and thinking about it, it would have undoubtedly been a great (not to mention gutsy) decision on Kishimoto's part and would have improved the story. As you know, the actual series cowered away from any instance of Naruto have to actually come to terms with the flaws in his ideals. All the villains simply succumb to the talk-no-jutsu (or were otherwise dispatched by outside forces) for this to actually ever be placed on the table. When confronted by Sasuke's multiple efforts to murder Sakura during the land of iron arc, what is Naruto's response? To simply sing kumbya and even preach nonsense about how both he and Sasuke would "die together" and "understand each other" in the afterlife. And Naruto justified this claptrap by claiming that if he couldn't even save one friend, he could not become hokage. Really? Last I checked, the 1st Hokage managed that just fine!!!

 

In terms of your idea, I LOVE the idea of Naruto leaving the village and believe that this should have happened right after the Pain arc. Take out the Land of Iron nonsense and instead have Naruto go on his own journey directly afterward (which would have been a result of having contemplated on his last conversation with Nagato and how he had intended to find a way to bring peace to the world). At this point, we get multiple mini arcs on the scale of the Zabuza arc with Naruto solving smaller scale problems while being exposed to the world without the lense of the leaf village limiting his worldviews. Because Sakura had basically been shafted since the Rescue Gaara arc, I think it would be appropriate to have her accompany Naruto initially. Just Naruto and Sakura since the series seldom gives them any solo time together. Throw some news friends and enemies in every now and then, but Naruto and Sakura remains the focus and both get some character development over the course of these mini-arcs (Naruto slowly matures and Sakura slowly begins realizing her feelings for Naruto; there could be one scene, albeit played up for laughs, that hint a tad of jealousy, towards the way Hinata protected Naruto from Pain). Naruto and Sakura mini-adventures last one year and they return to the leaf village only to see that it has become cold & despotic and ruled with an iron fist by Danzo. I won't get into too many details, but I think the series would ultimately end in another battle within the leaf village (i.e. no war arc), only Sasuke being the one to try to destroy it this time and Naruto finally coming to terms with what it will take to protect the village and bring about world peace.

 

I used to think that Naruto's POAL was the main obstacle in the way of this idea, but a good writer could use Naruto's failure to uphold this promise to their advantage. Believe it or not, aside from the stupidity of Sakura giving a fake confession to Naruto, I actually LIKED seeing Naruto and Sakura argue with each other afterwards. Not in the playful fashion we're accustomed to when Naruto does something stupid, but hashed out spirited debate. I think this alternate version of events would incorporate more of that when it came to the subject of Sasuke. I could see Sakura being the first to come to the conclusion that Sasuke might be beyond saving and Naruto and Sakura hashing it out over this. I could see Naruto and Sakura saying all kinds of HARSH things about one another and even splitting up temporarily. Ultimately, their division on the subject would be portrayed as a reflection of just how much each one loves the other (Naruto doesn't want to abandon his promise to Sakura and Sakura does not want to lose Naruto).

 

I feel like Naruto's ultimately takeaway from all of these events and even his failure to save Sasuke would be the method of bringing about world peace and ending the cycle of hatred boils down to one thing and one thing alone: The Future. The way to end the cycle of hatred is to ensure that the next generation does not succumb to it. Naruto's tenure as hokage would be focused on the leaf village's youth; he would erase the circumstances that allowed children to grow up become Sasuke, Obito, Orochimaru and Nagato. The next generation of ninja would be steered towards love and peace as opposed to hatred and isolation. There would be no better example of this than Naruto and Sakura's own children who they raise to the best of their efforts.

 

But yeah, the actual canon Naruto is a complete loser who is so inept that he can't even solve the problem of juggling multiple responsibilities even though he can literally appear in 1000 different places at once for extended periods of time.

Edited by ThroughWithLove, 10 January 2023 - 02:38 AM.

[Phantom_999]

Whats funny is early conception, Sasuke was suppose to have died during the fight with Haku but kishi was begged not to go through with it because Sasuke was popular. So much could have gone differently and and for the better if there was no bend to the trend here. That is just one example of it

Edited by Phantom_999, 11 January 2023 - 02:23 AM.

[VanitasDS76491]

This series honestly just isnt worth the time and effort anymore. Especially when we got so many other great shounen series that have come out since Naruto ended.

i just follow it to see how much worse it gets in boruto. 

 

Whats funny is early conception. Sasuke was suppose to have died during the fight with Haku but kishi was begged not to go through with it because Sasuke was popular. So much could have gone differently and and for the better if there was no bend to the trend here. That is just one example of it

cause we know after this sasuke had the most bs plot armor, you could make a game out of how many times he should have died in 

[ThroughWithLove]

Whats funny is early conception. Sasuke was suppose to have died during the fight with Haku but kishi was begged not to go through with it because Sasuke was popular. So much could have gone differently and and for the better if there was no bend to the trend here. That is just one example of it

 

That would make sense. Based on the bench scene and a few other scenes with Sakura blushing towards Naruto, it's obvious NS was endgame from the beginning and Sasuke was simply a means to an end.

[BlueStarSaber]

For those who haven't seen it yet this is the currents results of the naruto poll going on and you guys are gonna love the results for sakura so far

https://twitter.com/...KmXXFKi1ww&s=19

[Derock]

For those who haven't seen it yet this is the currents results of the naruto poll going on and you guys are gonna love the results for sakura so far

https://twitter.com/...KmXXFKi1ww&s=19

 

Holy crap?! She made the top 3?!!! 

[Bail o' Lies]

For those who haven't seen it yet this is the currents results of the naruto poll going on and you guys are gonna love the results for sakura so far

https://twitter.com/...KmXXFKi1ww&s=19

 

#1 Minato 

#2 Itachi

#3 Sakura

#4 Shisui

#5 Kakashi

#6 Naruto

#7 Madara

#8 Sakumo

#9 Sasuke

#10 Jiraiya

#11 Obito

#12 Hinata

#13 Shikamaru

#14 Tobirama

#15 Hashirama

#16 Gaara

#17 Deidara

#18 Neji

#19 Rock lee

#20 Kurama

#21 Might Guy

#22 Sasori

#23 Orochimaru

#24 Izuna

#25 Tobi...

#26 Hidan

#27 Fugaku

#28 Ashina Uzumaki

#29 Nagato

#30 Kushina

#31 Tsunade

#32 Zabuza

#33 Kaguya

#34 Iruka

#35 Teuchi

#36 Haku

#37 Konan

#38 Tenten

#39 Temari

#40 Tendo...Pein

#41 Mito

#42 Hiruzen

#43 Kisame

#44 Sai

#45 Kimimaro

#46 Might Dai

#47 Kakuzu

#48 Ino

#49 Indra Otsutsuki

#50 Yamato

Well, its good all of the main cast in top ten. Glad Minato won, since he was always in the lead, and Sakura was the most popular Main character. Hinata got 12th place. Neji was 18. Wasn't suppose to be so hated that they just had to kill him so Hinata could end up with Naruto?

 

Some of these would overlap. For example Obito and Tobi were treated as different characters. The uchiha manga would probably focus on explaining the massacre. 

Edited by Bail o' Lies, 13 January 2023 - 05:29 PM.

[ThroughWithLove]

Seems all of the Sakura hate of the past was simply because she was perceived as "threat" to a rival pairing. Pathetic.