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Posted 24 April 2018 - 12:37 AM

I wish Kiba had been on Team 7 instead of Sasuke. Kiba would have been a great sidekick for Naruto. And Sakura would not have been contaminated so horribly. Naruto and Sasuke wouldn't have to be on the same team to be rivals, either. He could still have been central. If Sakura is like Kiba, then they should both be on the same team, right?


Actually that we old have been better, since Kiba was a better friend to naruto then sasuke ever was.

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Posted 24 April 2018 - 12:40 AM

Hey Hey...only Hinata is Yamcha. Sakura is like Krillian.


Yamaha is hinata that's cruel to Yamaha since he can kick her ass, roshi and chiaztosu could beat hinata.   

I never knew Yamcha was gay for Goku. :zaru: But in All seriousness Hinata is even lower than that. Yamcha's only major loss was a sucker punch Suicide bombing by the Saibaman and after that everyone fell eventually to the Saiyajin-supremacy. :th_yeah:  She is even lower than Mr. Satan if you think about it, At least Mr. Satan did something Plot relevant by convincing everyone on earth to give energy for the Genki Dama against Kid Buu. What did Hinata do in 700 chapters worth of Manga content? Naruto-kun this, Naruto-kun that, only being psyched up by her Naruto-kun-gasms only to fail miserably and STILL not do anything important anyway, and "touching her" while thinking of her "big and strong Naruto-kun". Am I wrong? :ermm:


That's true on those things mr.Satan did help out more in the buu arc since he made fat buu good and if not for those two robbers kid buu wouldn't have happened.

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Posted 24 April 2018 - 01:29 AM

Actually that we old have been better, since Kiba was a better friend to naruto then sasuke ever was.

I don't think Kiba is a good Sasuke replacement, that title belong to sai. Who's so good that they replicate it in burito team. Mitsuki is sai MK.2

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Posted 24 April 2018 - 04:57 AM

Actually that we old have been better, since Kiba was a better friend to naruto then sasuke ever was.

Yeah, that's one thing that annoyed me about Naruto. Sasuke clearly never liked him especially in part 2. It should have stayed a rivalry to try and best each other, but not out of friendship.



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Posted 24 April 2018 - 02:15 PM

Hey Hey...only Hinata is Yamcha. Sakura is like Krillian.


Actually I would classify Sakura as Gohan. They both had the potential to be great in their own right but eventually were lost in the shuffle because the rivalry between the two main characters of each anime had to take most of the spotlight.

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Posted 24 April 2018 - 08:18 PM

Actually I would classify Sakura as Gohan. They both had the potential to be great in their own right but eventually were lost in the shuffle because the rivalry between the two main characters of each anime had to take most of the spotlight.

That's true.

 

 

I never knew Yamcha was gay for Goku. :zaru: But in All seriousness Hinata is even lower than that. Yamcha's only major loss was a sucker punch Suicide bombing by the Saibaman and after that everyone fell eventually to the Saiyajin-supremacy. :th_yeah:  She is even lower than Mr. Satan if you think about it, At least Mr. Satan did something Plot relevant by convincing everyone on earth to give energy for the Genki Dama against Kid Buu. What did Hinata do in 700 chapters worth of Manga content? Naruto-kun this, Naruto-kun that, only being psyched up by her Naruto-kun-gasms only to fail miserably and STILL not do anything important anyway, and "touching her" while thinking of her "big and strong Naruto-kun". Am I wrong? :ermm:

Hinata: Fans think she is like Beerus, but she is really like Maron. Ditzy, big-boobed, and says she is madly in love with the one of the main characters. Useless and easily distracted.


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Posted 24 April 2018 - 09:52 PM

Exactly, :yes:


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Posted 25 April 2018 - 09:32 PM

Actually I would classify Sakura as Gohan. They both had the potential to be great in their own right but eventually were lost in the shuffle because the rivalry between the two main characters of each anime had to take most of the spotlight.

At least Gohan ended up with someone likeable. I love Videl.



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Posted 26 April 2018 - 02:57 AM

At least Gohan ended up with someone likeable. I love Videl.


So true, Gohan did get the better end of the deal there. What ticks me off with Gohan is that during the Buu saga he seemed to forget that he was a super saiyan but besides that he was the 3 strongest I do believe like Sakura.

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Posted 14 July 2018 - 01:42 AM

I know this thread is mostly over, but I was writing some tentative ideas for my fanfic that I am probably never going to update, and I started to think about another reason why it's so screwed up for Naruto to not be with Sakura and for Sakura to be with Sasuke.

 

Sakura was written as being the prize. In the manga of Naruto there is only one female that is ever presented as being the prize and that is Sakura. The hero should get the prize, for obvious reasons.

 

What makes someone a prize as opposed to just another face in the crowd? A lot, but it's easiest to just focus on two things. Desirability in general, ie personal value/accomplishments, and their being desired by other people.

 

Sakura was the clear romantic interest of both Lee and Naruto. Not to mention the love letter guy (hard to find a scene more pointless in retrospect. Other scenes are outright offensive/contradictory, but that one is just pointless.) What other female in the K11 has any male show interest in them? None. Does anyone have a crush on Hinata? No.

 

Sakura kept advancing and became very strong and capable. What other female in the K11 do we see them advancing and getting really strong? None. They are all weak and they stay that way. You can try to object to this, but really, it's true. Hinata is weak and helpless.

 

So Sakura was objectively the most desirable female i.e. "best girl" that was available for Naruto to be with, in the world of the manga. She was only undesirable in the view of fans. This is true absent the massive amount of character development that exists. You can take all that out, Kishi being one of those mangaka who says romance is too hard to write and he doesn't want to write it(liar) and it's still clear that Naruto has to be with Sakura at the end.

 

Naruto was not only denied the prize, it was given to his rival. Terrible.

 

I could have gone into more detail on this but I don't really think it's necessary.


Edited by DrK, 14 July 2018 - 04:37 AM.


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Posted 14 July 2018 - 03:36 PM

I know this thread is mostly over, but I was writing some tentative ideas for my fanfic that I am probably never going to update, and I started to think about another reason why it's so screwed up for Naruto to not be with Sakura and for Sakura to be with Sasuke.

 

Sakura was written as being the prize. In the manga of Naruto there is only one female that is ever presented as being the prize and that is Sakura. The hero should get the prize, for obvious reasons.

 

What makes someone a prize as opposed to just another face in the crowd? A lot, but it's easiest to just focus on two things. Desirability in general, ie personal value/accomplishments, and their being desired by other people.

 

Sakura was the clear romantic interest of both Lee and Naruto. Not to mention the love letter guy (hard to find a scene more pointless in retrospect. Other scenes are outright offensive/contradictory, but that one is just pointless.) What other female in the K11 has any male show interest in them? None. Does anyone have a crush on Hinata? No.

 

Sakura kept advancing and became very strong and capable. What other female in the K11 do we see them advancing and getting really strong? None. They are all weak and they stay that way. You can try to object to this, but really, it's true. Hinata is weak and helpless.

 

So Sakura was objectively the most desirable female i.e. "best girl" that was available for Naruto to be with, in the world of the manga. She was only undesirable in the view of fans. This is true absent the massive amount of character development that exists. You can take all that out, Kishi being one of those mangaka who says romance is too hard to write and he doesn't want to write it(liar) and it's still clear that Naruto has to be with Sakura at the end.

 

Naruto was not only denied the prize, it was given to his rival. Terrible.

 

I could have gone into more detail on this but I don't really think it's necessary.

 

I don't view Sakura so much a prize as I do the ultimate culmination of Naruto (and Sakura's respectively) character arc. Acknowledgment and Bonds: That's ALL Sakura.She is the most desirable female for Naruto because she completes him. The author went through a great deal of detail in hammering down Sakura progressing to someone who sees Naruto for who he really is (the end result of her character arc during part 1) and someone who keeps him moving forward (the end result of her character arc for at least half of part 2).  Throw in the various parallels (Jiraiya's failures, Minato/Kushina and NS is thematically the only sensible conclusion. All we were missing was a "third act" so to speak in Sakura's character that would ultimately serve to bring things full circle. An act where Sakura seriously begins to question why she likes Sasuke as well as her budding feelings for Naruto.


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Posted 14 July 2018 - 04:13 PM

I don't view Sakura so much a prize as I do the ultimate culmination of Naruto (and Sakura's respectively) character arc. Acknowledgment and Bonds: That's ALL Sakura.She is the most desirable female for Naruto because she completes him. The author went through a great deal of detail in hammering down Sakura progressing to someone who sees Naruto for who he really is (the end result of her character arc during part 1) and someone who keeps him moving forward (the end result of her character arc for at least half of part 2).  Throw in the various parallels (Jiraiya's failures, Minato/Kushina and NS is thematically the only sensible conclusion. All we were missing was a "third act" so to speak in Sakura's character that would ultimately serve to bring things full circle. An act where Sakura seriously begins to question why she likes Sasuke as well as her budding feelings for Naruto.

 

Well said, sir! :D



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Posted 14 July 2018 - 07:10 PM

 

I don't view Sakura so much a prize as I do the ultimate culmination of Naruto (and Sakura's respectively) character arc. Acknowledgment and Bonds: That's ALL Sakura.She is the most desirable female for Naruto because she completes him. The author went through a great deal of detail in hammering down Sakura progressing to someone who sees Naruto for who he really is (the end result of her character arc during part 1) and someone who keeps him moving forward (the end result of her character arc for at least half of part 2).  Throw in the various parallels (Jiraiya's failures, Minato/Kushina and NS is thematically the only sensible conclusion. All we were missing was a "third act" so to speak in Sakura's character that would ultimately serve to bring things full circle. An act where Sakura seriously begins to question why she likes Sasuke as well as her budding feelings for Naruto.

Or at the very least, having the final act be one where Sakura doesn't go back to being a 12 year old. I mean Kishimoto did address the concern of Sakura being the only one with significant progression by removing it.


Edited by DrK, 14 July 2018 - 07:11 PM.


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Posted 14 July 2018 - 09:05 PM

Or at the very least, having the final act be one where Sakura doesn't go back to being a 12 year old. I mean Kishimoto did address the concern of Sakura being the only one with significant progression by removing it.

Is there really any point before the last chapter that seems like Sakura wouldn't end up with Naruto? I don't think so.



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Posted 14 July 2018 - 09:24 PM

Is there really any point before the last chapter that seems like Sakura wouldn't end up with Naruto? I don't think so.

Well, there is the part where she confesses to Sasuke in front of Naruto, showing a very OOC selfishness regardless of her feelings in that Naruto has an important battle to fight and yet she's willing to inject a ton of angst into the situation for him.

 

And there was some doubt introduced by the generally pathetic way she was interacting with Sasuke prior to that.



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Posted 14 July 2018 - 09:37 PM

Well, there is the part where she confesses to Sasuke in front of Naruto, showing a very OOC selfishness regardless of her feelings in that Naruto has an important battle to fight and yet she's willing to inject a ton of angst into the situation for him.

 

And there was some doubt introduced by the generally pathetic way she was interacting with Sasuke prior to that.

Even then. Aside from shippers, it was pushing NS to the forefront. Hell, I would have been okay with that confession because it could create drama and once she gets rejected like she should have, she realizes the one who's always been there for her.



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Posted 14 July 2018 - 09:52 PM

Even then. Aside from shippers, it was pushing NS to the forefront. Hell, I would have been okay with that confession because it could create drama and once she gets rejected like she should have, she realizes the one who's always been there for her.

But it undermines all of the themes that I kept bringing up in this thread that she was even willing to do that. Like I said, it doesn't matter how she feels about Sasuke. She always chooses to help Naruto because Naruto is the most important person to her. That confession puts at the very least Sakura herself, and possibly Sasuke as well, above Naruto. So she would never have done that and she shouldn't have.






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