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[Nostradamus]

Well here we go again another rant. But before that I want to mention something, something that I’ve already told someone here on this forum. It’s time for me to come out of the closet, not in that way. It’s time for me to confess, I’ve wanted to say this for some time but I could never find the right moment.

 

I am not a NaruSaku shipper. Yeah you read that right, I’m not a NS shipper,  I’ve never shipped NS. At least not in the way I see a shipper. I’ve never looked at Naruto and Sakura and said “Wow those two look so cute together. I really hope they end up together.” I never did that. You see I knew that those two would end up together because their relationship was part of the narrative. It always was.

 

Ever since I started Naruto I always looked at what the narrative is telling me, I do that for all the stories. I do like Naruto and Sakura but that’s because of what the narrative showed us. It showed how selfless the bond between these two was and how realistic the two of them are when interacting with each other. It showed how close they are.  They started from nothing really but ended up being the most developed.

 

You see the relationship between Naruto and Sakura is entwined with the narrative. It’s part of the narrative no one can deny this. The themes, the morals, the lessons, dreams, everything is connected to those two, even the main plot. I didn’t like them because they looked cute together. I liked them because they were a part of the story. Here’s the thing since the relationship between those two is entwined with pretty much everything in this story, if you destroy that it will set a chain of events in motion that will destroy everything in its path. Think of it as the domino effect. Once one piece falls, it takes with it everyone single one of the remaining pieces. You have seen the effects of that with your own eyes in this “ending”.

 

Now I have to tell you something. Do not think for one second that you read the story wrong, that it was done in this way because it was all a giant red herring. That all of this was planned. Because it’s not a red herring and it wasn’t planned. You didn’t read it wrong and it wasn’t a red herring.

As you may have noticed or not the “ending” that we got isn’t really an ending. It’s just advertisement for that garbage movie and the continuation. That’s all it really is. And it should never be considered by anyone as canon. I’ll explain a bit later why it should never be considered canon by anyone.

And I’m not saying this because I didn’t get the ending that I was expecting. It’s because of what an ending is supposed to do. I’ve already explained what an ending should be in my rant called “One Last Rant” go check it out in order to understand.

 

Now I’m not a writer however I’m someone who understands what goes in a story and what shouldn’t go. I do not claim to be an expert. I just understand this a bit better than some of you. And I’m sure someone here knows more about stories than I do or maybe more than I ever will.

Like I said before do not think for one second that this really where the story was headed. That this was planned or that you misinterpreted. Because you didn’t.

I’m going tell you exactly where the story was headed. And I’m doing this by simply analyzing the narrative.

Space reasons 1

I will begin with Naruto. After the war he was going to be named Hokage because of everything he did in the war and the fact that people acknowledged him. He is the hero of Konoha and the savior of the world. And once he’s the Hokage, he will do everything in his power to keep all the promises he made over the years. Now in terms of romance, Naruto was going to end up with Sakura.

 

Moving on to Sasuke. Sasuke was going to live, he was going to come back to Konoha and once again be a part of Team 7. He was going to work together with Naruto, just like Hashirama and Madara did but this time it would work. In terms of romance, Sasuke was going to end up with Karin. And the union between Uchiha and Uzumaki/Senju will cancel the curse that Uchiha’s have. You know the Uchiha go insane curse if they lose someone. That’s really the reason Karin was revealed as an Uzumaki. It wasn’t to tell the audience, her full name. Sasuke’s child with Karin would cancel the effect of awakening the Sharingan has on an Uchiha. It was going to be used as an excuse to stop future Uchiha’s from going insane.

 

To be honest I’ve noticed this immediately when that chapter came out but I really didn’t want to talk about it because I didn’t want to jinx it, because I didn’t want it to happen. For two simple reasons I hate SK just as much as I hate SS. There’s no difference between those two. The only real “difference” is that Karin was abused her entire life, I mean Orochimaru experimented on her. So she hasn’t been treated nice once in her life, so she doesn’t really know how to be treated. And the second reason is that I’ve always said that the most realistic ending for this story was for Sasuke to die. However I knew that would never happen because the narrative was always telling us the opposite.

 

Jumping to Sakura. Well she would’ve surpassed Tsunade as being the youngest and most skilled medical ninja and she would’ve been Naruto’s assistant. Just like Shizune was Tsunade’s assistant.

 

Shikamaru he would’ve been Naruto’s advisor and he would’ve been Asuma’s child’s mentor/teacher.

Hinata. She would’ve stopped being Naruto’s fangirl and she would’ve ended up the leader of the Hyuuga. That’s reason of her monologue from chapter 573 and her moment from chapter 450. After the war she would stop chasing after Naruto because in 450 she understood that Naruto and Sakura love each other and she would just move on and become a strong woman.

 

That’s where the narrative was headed. However somewhere along the line things changed.

Maybe when Kishi lost his father, he also lost his passion. Or maybe he already lost his passion before his father died and his father’s death has thing that pushed him over the edge. Or maybe that rumor that his marriage is falling to pieces is true and he wanted to end his work so he can fix his marriage. Or maybe he’s a pushover and he let himself be pushed by his editors to do whatever they wanted.

Or maybe he chose this himself. Now what do I believe happened? You’ll have to wait for that answer.

 

Now I’m going to talk about the movie. You can call it a review if you want, it’s actually pointing out the things wrong with it. But before that I want to discuss something that I have to be perfectly honest here. The first time I read the last two chapters I missed this or to be more precise the problem with this.

And it wasn’t until about a month ago when some of you point this out, that got me thinking and I was able to see the problem. In the end chapter which is chapter 699 because that’s the end of “Naruto” or at least what they call an “end”. Sasuke leaves again. Now even though you were the ones that pointed this out, so far none of you saw the real problem with this. Because trust me it presence a monumentally huge problem with this “end”.

 

In order for you to understand why this presents such a huge problem, I first need to talk about what is a plot. Now in a story if you don’t know the plot of it. All you have to do is ask yourself a very simple question. And that question is: Why? Seriously that’s it, it’s that easy. More specifically why does the main character/characters do the things that he/she/they’re doing.

These days most stories have a classical plot of good vs. evil, us vs. them. But since we’re talking about “Naruto” here let’s ask ourselves that question. So why is Naruto doing the things that he is doing? Why did he train with Jiraiya, the Sage Toad and Killer Bee? Why did he go through so many things in his life?

 

The answer is: To bring Sasuke back to Konoha. And there you go ladies and gentlemen that is the plot of part 2 “Naruto”. Bringing Sasuke back in Konoha.

And here is the problem with this “ending”. In chapter 699 we completely and utterly subvert the main plot. The main plot itself is destroy in one chapter immediately after it got resolved in chapter 698.

Space reasons 2

Ok so let’s talk about the movie now shall we. First things first let’s get the obvious stuff out of the way. This movie is nothing more than a pathetic and horribly executed attempt to try to justify a pairing that has absolutely no development at all and to fool people in believing that Hinata had always an important role in Naruto’s life. This is wrong. They tried desperately to make it in such a way that Hinata is Naruto’s best friend, only friend, first friend, the very first bond he ever had with anyone, his savior, his first love, true love and only love. And they chose to do this by destroying everything in order to make this.

 

Secondly whoever wrote this movie clearly never read the manga or watched the anime. Because the amount of stupidity and contradictory things in it, is beyond believable. It’s insane.

Now I have not seen the movie, and I never will. However I know pretty much everything about it. So not all things that I’ll mention are 100% accurate, so keep that in mind.

I’m not going to go in order with these things because like I said I haven’t watched the movie but I do know what happens. So let’s start.

 

We get a flashback of Naruto and Hinata as kids, this flashback happens before chapter 1 of the manga. In this flashback Hinata gets bullied by a couple of kids because of her eyes. What also happens is that Naruto uses Kage Bunshin no jutsu to create two clones to defend poor little Hinata.

Now Naruto using Kage Bunshin no jutsu is not really a problem because it’s Naruto signature move, you know just like the Rasengan.  Whoa whoa whoa... hold on a second! Did Naruto just used Kage Bunshin no jutsu before chapter 1 aka the introduction to the story. Yeah he did. Oh my God.

Ok problem number 1 with this. In the academy they teach everyone the normal cloning jutsu, it’s a simple technique that is primary used as a distraction. Naruto couldn’t even use normal cloning jutsu because he was bad at ninjutsu. Kage Bunshin is a forbidden technique that Naruto learned from the scroll that he stole from the third Hokage in chapter 1. Now the movie tells us that Naruto could do the jutsu that he couldn’t do before he did it. You understand what I’m saying? He was able to do Kage Bunshin before he learned how to do it.

 

And the reason Naruto was able to master Kage Bunshin was because in chapter 1 he protected Iruka. Which brings me to problem number 2, Naruto as a kid was alone. The person that saved him from the loneliness was Iruka. Iruka was the first person that acknowledged Naruto. Iruka became Naruto’s first bond. After that came others like Sasuke, Sakura, Kakashi, Shikamaru, Gaara, Tsunade, etc. Hinata was never part of the people that acknowledged him. She never had any role in his life, even when others started to. She was always hiding behind a tree or a fence. Naruto and Hinata didn’t spend any time together as kids. That has never happened. They don’t even follow what was written in the freaking manga. They just re-wrote the past to suit their needs.

 

This also brings me to problem number 3 with that scene. Hinata was never bullied in her life. She was next in line to lead the Hyuuga. Let’s go down memory lane shall we. Does anyone here remember Hinata’s confession from the manga? Good. Do you also remember that someone tried to stop her from going to where Naruto was? No, well let me remind you. The person that tried to stop her was Ko aka her bodyguard. That’s right Hinata has a bodyguard. So trying to say that Hinata was bullied does not work, not only because in the manga this moment never happened but also because the manga itself contradicts this scene with her getting bullied for her eyes.

 

This of course brings me to problem number 4.  The one that got bullied as a child was Sakura, and she was bullied because of her forehead. They literally copied Sakura’s past and gave it to Hinata. Jesus Christ, they can’t even come up with something original. Within one scene they screwed up a humongous portion of the introduction to this story. So within this contrived flashback they contradicted and re-wrote the past to suit their needs. Great job there writers (sarcasms)

 

Moving on to the lore or to be more precise what they did with it. To say that they jumped the shark would be an understatement. I mean I thought Kishi destroyed the lore when Obito came back from the dead using his Sharingan or in chapter 700 when he introduced Facebook, laptops, New York Konoha and all the other things that broke the lore. But oh boy was I wrong. Wait until you see what SP did. They made these characters go to the moon. They just traveled to the moon. Do you understand what I’m saying here? When in God’s name did anything like this ever happen in the manga? The closest thing to this was when Madara flew close to the moon but he never left the earth’s atmosphere. Not only that they traveled to the moon but they can breathe perfectly fine on it. The moon does not have an atmosphere. Oxygen does not exist on it.

I mean what’s next, Interstellar space, finding E.T.? The lore is toast. They burned it until naught remained but ash.

Space reasons 3

This brings me to the villain of this movie. He lives on the moon and he’s a descendant of Hamura which links to the Hyuuga clan. Of course this presents yet another problem. First of all no one can live on the moon, secondly the Hyuuga’s are fodder. Throughout this entire manga that clan never mattered. The two clans the drove and were the core of the conflict that raged throughout the years are the Senju and the Uchiha. The Hyuuga’s have no relation to that war. Not only that but even in terms of power they’re beneath everyone else. The Byakugan is nothing more than x-ray vision that views in almost 360 degrees.

 

The Sharingan on the other hand has the ability to see chakra, movement much quicker, Amaterasu, Susanoo, genjutsu abilities and not to mention special power that like Obito’s dimension travel. The Hyuuga’s have always been irrelevant. Sure in the manga we have that statement from Hiashi that the Hyuuga’s are Konoha’s strongest but that’s a lie. It doesn’t matter what is stated, it matters what we saw. The reason why Hamura and Kaguya were created in the manga was to give Hinata and her pathetic clan some relevancy.

 

Ok moving on to one of my favorite statements in this movie. One that just shows how stupid they really are and how desperate they’re to try to convince people that what Hinata feelings towards Naruto, is actually love. When in reality it’s not.

 

It’s a statement that comes from Sakura. And it says: “When a girl falls in love her feelings are not easily changed.” Then immediately after that she says: “Her feelings never change.” Well I have to ask the obvious question here. Which one is it? Because if you haven’t noticed it, there are two statements in that sentence. The first one is that a girl’s feelings are really difficult to change while the second one is that a girl’s feelings never change. Those two statements contradict each other.

 

So which one is it? Because you can’t have both statements. So they already showed that they can’t follow the canonical material from the manga. And now they can’t even follow their own writing when it’s literally in the same sentence. Hey morons pay attention to your writing. This isn’t even like something that is said at the end of the movie that contradicts something that was said at the beginning of the movie. That can be easily excused because you can consider it an honest mistake. But to have two statements that contradict each other in the same sentence is asinine. It is literally in the same sentence. They’re not even paying attention to their own movie. For God’s sake what were they doing when they made this? I presume smoking and getting high.

 

Another problem with that statement is the fact that it contradicts the manga yet again. Because in the manga a lot of girls have changed their feelings. For example Rin, at first she loved Kakashi. Her feelings towards Kakashi changed and now she loves Obito. Another example Ino along with all of Sasuke’s fangirls. So yeah that idiotic statement doesn’t stand. It only exists to make the audience believe that Hinata really loves Naruto, and that she always loved him and to disregard Naruto’s feelings because who the kitten cares about him right? I mean he’s just the you know main character. Oh wait I forgot, my bad I forgot that Naruto doesn’t matter and it’s all about what Hinata wants. Now would you look at that yet another contradiction, the manga showed that what Hinata feels towards Naruto are nothing more than hero worshiping. She watched him never giving up and that inspired her, she even took his nindo from him. Well technically speaking she stole it word for word. That’s what she actually loves his nindo.

 

Now since we’re talking about Naruto’s nindo, we have to talk about what they did in this movie with it. They made Naruto give up. Yes that is correct you read that right. They made him give up.

There’s a scene where Hinata leaves to go be with Toneri, after this scene our favorite character Naruto Uzumaki gives up on saving the world, on his friends, on everyone because a bimbo that he had no interest in, left him.

 

They just destroyed the core of his character. What made him special and unique. The fact that he never gives up no matter what. No matter how strong the opponent is or how beaten up he gets or how much pain and suffering he goes through he never gives up. Yet more proof that whoever wrote this movie never read the manga and knows nothing about it. They murdered Naruto Uzumaki with this.

Of course from a writing point of view this scene is done to try to convince people that Naruto really loves Hinata, and that’s why he gives up, because only she has that effect on him.

 

But by doing this they destroyed the thing that made him special. The thing that was an inspiration to so many people. Like I said before Naruto was a symbol of hope to so many people (I’m talking in real life here). This was a character meant for people to look at him and improve their lives. To show that no matter how bad your life is, no matter how much life puts you down, no matter how much you just want to end it all. To not give up, to keep fighting, to go forward. And they just butchered it.

Space reasons 4

I’ve explained this couple of times before. This was a story that was supposed to inspire hope. We the readers can connect to these characters.Either by a similar past or a similar situation and by looking at how these characters and how they deal with the pain of losing someone or the absence of parents in your life or something else entirely. We form a connection to them. This is what this type of story was. Of course this doesn’t mean we get inspiration and hope from all stories. For example you don’t watch a movie with Bruce Wills where he kills a lot of bad guys, to improve your life. You just enjoy the action. Remember the media or even genre doesn’t matter; it’s the story that matters. A story can be written in a book, movie, game, TV show or writings on walls.

 

I know it sounds strange that people in real life can form a connection with these fictional characters but it’s true. We know more about these fictional characters than we do about the random people we pass on the street. You want proof of that? Fine, the fact that you are right now reading my comment and also the fact that you come to this forum or go tumblr or another website and talk about the feelings and motivations that these fictional characters have. You want more proof that people see themselves or a certain situation within these types of stories. Ok here’s more proof, the SK girl that said she was going to kill herself because of what happened to Karin. First of all I really hope that was a joke and if it was real, that she’s didn’t go through with it. Now what is my connection to “Naruto”? You’ll have to wait for that.

 

Ok enough of this; let’s move on to what they did with Sasuke. Now Sasuke is the secondary main character of “Naruto”, and his role in the movie is to appear for 5 seconds and destroy a meteor.

This is the secondary main character we’re talking about here. Someone who drove the plot forward. And his role is to look cool for 5 seconds and destroy a rock. Are you freaking kidding me? I’ve said this before many times I don’t like Sasuke, never did and never will but to reduce the secondary main character to this is insane.

To be continued...

Edited by Nostradamus, 30 June 2015 - 11:11 PM.

[Liu bie]

I see this is it,I will always going to  remember these rants, one last Naruto rant would be  good  to end all this.

Edited by Liu bie, 01 July 2015 - 01:56 AM.

[Nostradamus]

However the damage they did, does not end there. There’s more. Wait until you see what they did to Naruto’s character. They assassinated his character. They literally made him into an emotional retard. What I mean by that is that the movie tells us this guy never understood the difference between romantic love and his love for ramen. Because he compares romantic love to his love for ramen. Romantic love. Food love. Yeah whoever wrote this movie needs to be shot in the head. We need get rid of such stupid people.

Space Reasons 1

Naruto is the most emotional character in this entire story. What I mean by that is that he’s the character that understands human emotion better than anyone else. That’s the reason he can relate and make other people see his way, including the bad guys. He did that with Zabuza, he did that with Nagato, Gaara and even Sasuke. And now they took away yet another piece that made Naruto special. The Naruto from the manga knows the difference between romantic love, brotherly love, fatherly love, motherly love and on and on. But now they decide to throw that Naruto away and rewrite him the way they wanted. Do they really believe no one was paying attention to the manga that ran for 15 years?

 

Do they really expect people to believe that when Naruto saved Sakura from Gaara, he didn’t save her because he loved her, he saved her because Gaara was going to kill his ramen and he wouldn’t allow it. Or when he made the promise to Sakura, he didn’t make that promise because he loved her, it was because he didn’t want to see his ramen cry. Or that time when Naruto admitted to Sai that he loves Sakura. Let me guess he only smiled at her and cared for much for her because she was his ramen. The level of stupidity of whoever wrote this garbage movie is immeasurable.

You know what let’s go with this stupid statement just for the fun of it. So he goes from an emotional retard that can’t tell the difference between romantic love and food love, to being completely in love with Hinata within a couple of seconds. This is definitely believable (sarcasm).

 

What they did was copy from Dragon Ball, because in Dragon Ball, Goku mistakes getting married to food. He promises Chi-Chi that he’ll marry her because at that time Goku believed she was talking about food. That worked for Goku because he never understood human emotion but it does not work for Naruto.

But wait here comes the icing on the cake of Naruto’s total assassination. They state that Naruto only loved Sakura because of his rivalry with Sasuke. First of all, instantly that statement falls flat on its face for three simple reasons. First reason we introduced to Naruto’s love for Sakura before we’re introduced to his rivalry with Sasuke. And the second reason is that both his love for Sakura and his rivalry with Sasuke are explained. We know why Naruto loves Sakura and why he views Sasuke as his rival. Manga Fact. He loves Sakura because Sakura seeks acknowledgement just like he does. Hey morons read chapter 3.

 

He sees the same noble qualities that he possesses, in Sakura. Later on we learn why Naruto views Sasuke as a rival. Sasuke was the cool guy, the one that could do everything he couldn’t, Naruto was the loser. Naruto viewed Sasuke as a rival in order to improve himself. It was his own goal, remember Naruto was a lonely kid, he had no one and that includes Hinata. Hinata was never there for him when he was alone. Naruto’s love for Sakura had absolutely nothing to do with his rivalry with Sasuke. There isn’t anything in the manga that would even suggest that Naruto only loved her because of that. Nothing.

 

And the third reason why this argument is garbage is that in order for this argument to actually work, it needed Sasuke to be interested in Sakura. And that would actually mean that Naruto and Sasuke are rivals for Sakura’s love. But that was never the case. Because Sasuke was never interested in Sakura, at all.

And here’s another problem with this rivalry argument. The reason why Naruto wants Hinata in the movie is because Toneri came and declared that he wanted Hinata. This is literally the same argument. Naruto wants Hinata because he doesn’t want to lose to Toneri, because he views Toneri as a rival. And it’s not even done right in terms of an actually love triangle.

 

This problem that they themselves made could’ve been avoided if they showed that Naruto was already interested in Hinata before Toneri came, because that would’ve been an actually love triangle in which Naruto is already interested in Hinata, and now this new guy comes in and Naruto needs to step up. But of course it’s SP so they didn’t do that, they just used the same dumb argument.

 

The argument that they used to destroy one pairing is also the argument that they used to create another. Terrific writing there guys. You just shoot your own pairing. Let’s give these people a round of applause for winning the award for worst writers in history.

Not only that but what they just said is that Naruto loves no girl. He doesn’t love Sakura, and he doesn’t love Hinata. He only views women as trophies, as a competition, as a sport.

 

He only wants them if someone else wants them. Basically they said that if a new contrived villain that comes from Mars (because they don’t care about the lore anymore) and declares that he wants Ino for example; Naruto will leave Hinata just like that because his ego of losing to someone else can’t be damaged. In case you don’t know what that means, I’ll tell you. The movie just admitted that Naruto doesn’t love Hinata. He didn’t love her in the manga; he doesn’t love her in the movie and never will. To him she’s just a trophy that will be cast aside as soon as someone challenges him more precise his ego of not losing.

Space Reasons 2

It seems like their stupidity doesn’t have limits. Here’s more proof of how stupid they are.

The way Naruto realizes that Hinata loves him is through a genjutsu. Again I have to ask this question: Do they really believe no one read the manga?

Naruto has Kurama inside of him, along with the rest of the tailed beasts. Genjutsu doesn’t work on a Jinchuuriki that has befriended the beast inside of them. The only genjutsu that works on a Jinchuuriki is the IT (Infinite Genjutsu). That is a manga fact. Now in this genjutsu Naruto is sent in a guilt trip that he must be with Hinata because either wise he would be such a jerk. Interestingly enough this is yet another thing they copied from somewhere else. This is the argument that a lot of the NH fans used, that Naruto would be such a jerk if he didn’t return Hinata’s feelings. Really original there writers, copying from the fans. Yeah I’m sure the fans won’t notice that you copied from them.

 

Let’s move on to something even more insane that everything else thus far. I know it sounds really hard to believe that but by now you should know better.

Hinata in the movie meets Hamura aka the Rikudou Sennin’s brother. Here’s where the insanity begins, Hamura calls her the Byakugan princess and gives her his power to stop Toneri.

The Byakugan princess? The Byakugan is completely worthless, powerless, it can do nothing. You might as well not have it at all, it’s that useless. The Sharingan and Rinnegan are the only eye powers that mattered in this story. Yes the Byakugan was mention once in part 1 but after that it went in the garbage can. And now all of a sudden it’s this great thing. Give me a break.

 

Let’s go a bit to the manga and remind ourselves what happened in it. The Rikudou Sennin gives both Naruto and Sasuke his power, splitting his power to them, 50-50.

And now in the movie Hamura gives his power to Hinata. That means that Hinata is now more powerful than Naruto and Sasuke. My brain hurts. Hinata is an insignificant side character that the author himself made fun of throughout his story, she never had a role in the main plot or any of the subplots or in Naruto’s life and she never had any connection to anything in this manga, she was just a bimbo with big boobs that never understood what love is. She confused obsession for love.  And now you’re expecting people to believe that all of a sudden she matters and she’s more powerful than Naruto and Sasuke. I don’t even know where to begin with this one.

 

I’ve always said that Sasuke is actually the one that destroyed a good part of this story. Because after Itachi’s death, Sasuke didn’t have a purpose to exist anymore, he became Naruto’s lost pet. So Kishi needed to keep him relevant and Sasuke was forced into pretty much everything just to do that. Including the child of prophecy. However even though his presence destroyed a lot, the damaged he did is minimal compared to someone else. Because the character that destroy absolutely every single thing this manga stood for, and each and every single one of the characters and every single bond and all the themes, and the plot and all of the subplots, the foreshadowing and journey is Hinata. SP uplifted her to the status of not really the heroine but to the status of main character. She and her desires became more important than the dreams and hopes of the three main characters which are or to be more precise were Naruto, Sasuke and Sakura. SP just uplifted her to God level.

 

Hinata became more powerful than Naruto and Sasuke. Do I even have to point out that this girl was beaten by her younger sister, that Neji was toying with her, that Nagato blow her away like an insect and she was even beaten by a rock, do I? This is the first time in history of storytelling in which a side character that the author himself points out how pathetic, powerless and useless she is, now has more power than the two main characters that drove the plot. Effectively every character became Hinata’s kitten. Naruto is Hinata’s kitten, Sasuke is Hinata’s kitten, Sakura is Hinata’s kitten, everyone.

Space Reasons 3

Imagine if Jar Jar Binks existed in episode 4, 5 and 6 of the Star Wars movies. In the last movie Jar Jar becomes the main character stealing that away from Luke, Han and Leia; he also becomes more powerful than all of them including the emperor. That is how insane this idiotic move from SP is.

What this movie is, is an independent movie that has absolutely nothing to do with the “Naruto” universe or with any of the characters that are present in “Naruto”. Because the Naruto that is presented in “The Last” is not the same Naruto from the manga. He is not Kishimoto’s Naruto.

 

And this goes for the rest of the characters that are in “The Last”, that’s not Kishimoto’s Hinata, that’s not Kishimoto’s Sakura, that’s not Kishimoto’s Sasuke, not one of the characters that appear in this movie is the same character that appeared in the manga. Same thing is valid for the lore. I mean for God’s sake they traveled to the moon in this movie. THE MOON.

This movie is poorly done, and I’m not saying poorly done in terms of animation. I’m saying poorly done in terms of an original movie. Because there’s nothing original about it.

 

What they said about Naruto not understanding romantic love and confusing it for food love is literally copied from Dragon Ball. The scarf is stolen from the Rock Lee anime. The Hinata flashbacks being bullied nonsense that’s copied from the Naruto anime from episode 166, plus the Hinata being bullied is copied from Sakura’s past that actually happened in the manga. But hey the people that did this movie never read the manga. They even copied from the Shion movie, the part where this princess has hidden powers that in the end are used to defeat the bad guy comes from that movie.

 

They also copied from the Naruto and Sasuke combo when they combined Susanoo with Kyuubi and fought against Obito. They copied that move and had a Naruto and Hinata combo in the movie.

Not to mention the fact that they also copied elements from Road To Ninja. Speaking of Road To Ninja, you see Road To Ninja is The Last Naruto movie. It’s the last Naruto movie because that’s the last movie that we got in which we still have the same setting, the same universe, the lore is not broken and we’re not introduced to brand new characters. In Road to Ninja we’re left with the same Naruto, the same Sakura, the action takes place in the same universe that we know from the manga and everything else is exactly as we know it from it.

You want to know why people loved Road To Ninja? It’s simply because the premise and it showed what could’ve been. What could’ve been if Naruto’s parents weren’t dead and he had a family.

 

I’m sorry if you haven’t watched the movie but I have to spoil it now. So if you don’t want any spoilers stop reading the next part. In the movie Tobi sends Naruto and Sakura in a limited Genjutsu transporting them to a different world, where things are a bit off from what they knew. In this world Minato and Kushina are alive and Sakura’s parents are the ones that died protecting the village. Naruto and Sakura effectively switched shoes. Now it’s done like this because the way of the Limited Genjutsu worked, it worked by giving people what they wanted. And when the movie started Naruto is shown to be alone while his friends are together with their parents. We see that he longs a family. Sakura on the other hand is tired of her family because of all the nagging and all she wants is to be left alone. Both Naruto and Sakura get what they want in this world but they slowly understand that’s not really what they want.

Space Reasons 4

The movie ends with Naruto and Sakura returning back to their world and we see them both walking while talking about what happened. And we see Sakura’s parents desperately searching for her, as soon as Sakura sees her parents she immediately jumps in their arms hugging them both. And we see Naruto returning home where Iruka is waiting for him and tells him “Welcome Home” while Naruto starts crying. Iruka waited for him, Iruka aka Naruto’s first bond.

The moral of the movie or the message is: that there’s nothing wrong with wanting more from life but that doesn’t mean you should throw away everything you already have. That’s why this movie is the best Naruto movie. Because it has a strong message behind it. Spoiler over.

 

Earlier I mentioned the scarf, well there’s a scene in which Hinata gives the scarf that she made to Naruto but before that she asks him who made that scarf that he has right now, and the way she does that suggests that she doesn’t like that someone else gave it to Naruto, and she’s not pleased with that.

Naruto says that his late mother made it for him; note that he doesn’t say Kushina. And he throws his mother’s scarf away and takes Hinata’s. I wish I could meet the person that wrote this so I can smack him/her. Naruto never knew who his parents were and he never had anything from them. That scarf does not exist. And if it did a natural question rises. Why didn’t anyone give it to him before? Having something from his dead mother would’ve meant a lot for Naruto as an orphan.

 

Also in this scene they just made Naruto and Hinata into a-holes. Naruto because he throws the scarf that his dead mother made for him and Hinata for being an a-hole because she’s afraid that someone stole Naruto.

Kishi said that you don’t need to read the manga in order to watch the movie, and he was absolutely right. Because this movie has nothing to do with the history of this story, with the lore, the universe, the plot, the subplots, the themes, the bonds, the foreshadowing, the goals of these characters what drove them, they are not even the same characters from the manga.

 

You can’t consider this movie as canon because it bluntly goes in the opposite direction of the canonical material from the manga. It can’t even be considered filler because a filler is either an extra content on top of the canon material, like telling the story from a different set of eyes/character or extending the canon material (for example the way the anime team that did Dragon Ball, because if you check the manga and watch the anime, you’ll notice that the fights are extended through fillers. This is because the anime team understands why people love Dragon Ball). Or just like the name suggests to fill in the space between one canonical material and another. But it does none of these things. This movie is not canon because it has nothing to do with the canon material from the “Naruto” manga. The movie is canon within itself, what I mean by that is what I said before.

 

The movie is independent of the manga, of the actual story. In this movie we’re introduced to brand new characters that only borrow the names from the manga. We are introduced to a brand new character that borrows Naruto’s name, we’re introduced to a brand new character that borrows Hinata’s name, and we are introduced to a brand new character that borrows Sakura’s name and on and on.
 

 

They completely went out of their way to make sure it has nothing to do with “Naruto”. The name “Naruto” is slapped on top of it to make sure people watch their movie. It was a move done to ensure it makes money. Speaking of money, I’m on a segue roll here. I’m sure you’re going to say “Well the movie made money so it was a great success, it means people love it” now that would be an incorrect statement. Last time I checked it was struggling to make 17 million dollars. I’m going to be generous here and say it actually made 25 million. Now let’s see how exactly they made that money. Well a portion of that money they made through false advertising. Remember before the movie came out, they advertised Naruto, Sasuke and Kakashi 3 of Japan’s favorites, so people bought tickets because of those 3 thinking that those 3 will be the center of the movie. Now when they released the information showing exactly what the movie is, people demanded their money back but they refused to give refunds, really bad move here. It also made money because of the suggestive title “The Last”, suggesting that this is the last “Naruto” movie. By the way this is false because like we saw it has nothing to do with “Naruto” plus they are going to make other movies in the future.

 

Since I talked a bit about Dragon Ball, I want to mention that the latest DB movie “Battle Of Gods” made 50 million dollars, 30 million just in Japan if I’m not mistaken. This is a story that ended 20 years ago and it made more than “Naruto The Last” a story that ended a couple of months ago. A good portion of the people that followed DB have moved on, it’s been 20 years and also let’s be honest here the latest DB movie wasn’t that great after all. It’s been 20 years since DB ended and it made more than “Naruto”. Clearly people didn’t really like “The Last”.

 

Let’s focus on how much money was spend on “The Last”. There’s a rumor that the movie cost them about 12 million dollars to produce. However since it’s a rumor I’m not going to go with that since we don’t really know. But I’m going to point out that the movie has great animation which means a lot of money was spend on that, then you have to consider the amount of advertising that they did, paying the voice actors, paying for the interviews with the voice actors because if you don’t know actors get paid for doing interviews. Of course there are exceptions when an actor doesn’t want to be paid because they already have enough money or they like doing this for fans or the actor isn’t big enough to get paid for such things. Now when you factor in these things plus something that I’ll mention a bit later, you’ll understand that the movie wasn’t a great success as many would claim.

 

 

So let’s make a summary for the movie and let’s see what they got wrong.

1. Naruto learned Kage Bunshin No Jutsu in chapter 1, not before chapter 1 – manga fact.

2. Naruto never gives up no matter what – manga fact.

3. Naruto knows the difference between romantic love, food love, fatherly love, brotherly love etc. – manga fact.

4. The moon was created by the Rikudou Sennin to seal the Juubi’s body. No one lives on the moon – manga fact.

5. Genjutsu doesn’t work on a Jinchuuriki that is friends with the beast, unless it’s IT – manga fact.

6. The Hyuuga’s are irrelevant and there’s no such thing as a Byakugan Princess. Only the Sharingan and Rinnengan matter – manga fact.

7. Naruto’s love for Sakura has nothing to do with his rivalry with Sasuke – manga fact.

8. In the “Naruto” universe items don’t possess magical powers to move around like the scarf in The Last does – manga fact.

9. Sakura is the one that got bullied because of her forehead, not Hinata – manga fact.

10. Naruto as a kid was lonely and because of that he did a lot of stupid things in order for someone to notice him. So he won’t be alone anymore. The first person to truly notice him was Iruka, then came Sakura, Sasuke, Kakashi etc. While Hinata was never there for him – manga fact.

Oh Yeah this movie really is part of “Naruto” canonical material. (Sarcasm)

 

Just two more parts and it's over. Please don't kill me.

Edited by Nostradamus, 01 July 2015 - 02:21 AM.

[Pix]

Keep it going. Hey can I come out the closet too? I mean, it's not a secret since I've said it over and over, but I'm not an NS shipper anymore either. The only reason why I liked them because I too honestly believed that the story was heading their way. But since the arrival of Hinata more and more in scenes I actually developed a fond love over Sakura and Naruto's relationship more. But now it's all over. 

[Liu bie]

Thank you for summary number 7.

[Nostradamus]

Now here’s the truth showing Naruto and Hinata together in the last chapter without any explanation on how exactly they got together would’ve been a million times better than this.

And that says a lot. Because in writing one of the major rules is to explain things, to give exposition. However in this case not giving any explanation on how Naruto ended up with Hinata is better than giving us this movie. Because it’s better to not know than to have everything destroyed and we the readers/viewers treated like idiots and insulted. Telling us that Naruto views women as trophies is insane.

Telling us that the character that never gives up no matter what ends up giving up because of bimbo that he had no interest in is asinine. And everything else they did.

Yet again space reasons 1

So what happened? What happened that we got this ending? Well here is what I believe happened.

I believe they sold out to what they believed to be the majority of fans, the pairing fans and more specifically the NH pairing fans. I don’t believe that Kishi himself sold out, I’ll explain why I don’t believe that he sold out and why this wasn’t his move in a short while. I believe SP are the ones responsible for this. And I know you’re going to say “Wait Nostradamus. Kishi is the author, he is the writer. He does whatever the hell he wants. He is the one that did this.” That is true he is the writer of this story but remember he works for other people. Plus we don’t really know his contract with the company he works for or with SP. We don’t know who is or are the ones in control of “Naruto”, who decides the future of it, who controls it. I believe he was forced to adapt to someone else’s decision.

 

I believe SP forced his hand to do this, maybe even bought the rights to the continuation. Remember what I said above about the amount of money spend on the movie. There’s a possibility that SP bought the rights for the continuation. Keep in mind that this can actually happen, a company buying the rights for a product from another company is normal. Even you can go right now and buy the rights to “Naruto” if you have the money to do it.

 

Now I don’t believe Kishi himself sold out because let’s be honest here, he made a lot of money in these past 15 years, he and his family are set for life. I only believe he sold out if he was offered an offer he can’t refuse. And by that I mean he was offered a metric butt ton of money to agree to this and just didn’t give a kitten anymore about anything. Plus if he was just a greedy bastard that only cared about money and just wanted more, then why didn’t he just continue the story with Naruto, Sasuke, Sakura and Kakashi and all the others for 2 more years or even more. Think about it how much money can you really make from a mini-series that starts in April and ends somewhere in the summer? Not much it’s just one volume.

 

Why would you risk throwing something that brings you a steady amount of money each month for something new that might not succeed at all? Kishi is a lot of things, he’s a bad writer I’ve established this a long time ago (remember I criticized his writing way before the ending) and he’s also a sexist. And as a writer it’s clear that he needs guidance. But he’s not stupid, especially when it comes to making money. He managed granted with the help of his assistants to create a story, a product that brought him and the people he works for a lot of money. So it’s not like he couldn’t foresee that the continuation is not going to be a great success.

 

Not to mention the fact that all the things that he said after this “ending” are not things you say to fans in order to keep them buying your product unless he completely lost his mind. For example he said that he purposely mislead fans for all these years that Naruto and Sakura would end up together; basically saying it was a red herring for 15 years might I add. Admitting that you lied to your fans is a career ender right there. Then he said that Minato is just a combination between Kiba and Akamaru, seriously he actually said that. Then saying that he chose Naruto and Hinata because he felt pity towards Hinata.

 

He also said that Naruto’s purpose was just to save Sasuke, basically saying that the even though Naruto was the main character and wanted to achieve peace, become Hokage etc. all those things were pointless because his purpose was to be Sasuke’s tool of salvation. Also that he killed Neji as a cupid for Naruto and Hinata; wow first of all that’s huge blow to Neji’s fans and secondly that’s a lie because the movie clearly shows that Neji’s death had nothing to do with how Naruto ended up with Hinata. The movie clearly states that Naruto is a scumbag that views women as trophies and only wanted Hinata because he didn’t want his ego to be crushed by the new contrived villain. So coming out and saying that he killed Neji as a cupid is stupid and a lie.

Yet again space reasons 2

I believe this is his way of fighting back against this move, because it wasn’t what he planned to do. He can’t come out and admit the truth just yet because he’s still bound by his contract. So this is his way of rebelling so to say, to fight back, to try to make people not follow whatever follows.

 

Yes of course I know this is pure conjecture on my side. But you do have to admit that none of the things that came out of his mouth after this ending are things meant to encourage people to continue to follow “Naruto” any longer. If he sold out and he was only after money, then why doesn’t he try to convince people to buy the continuation so he can make more money? It just doesn’t make any sense.

 

If I was a greedy bastard that didn’t care about my fans and just wanted more money, I would do anything I can to make sure people will continue to give me money. I wouldn’t say things that would piss people off and drive them away. I would came out and say things like “If only the fans knew what was coming.” or “Make sure you keep up with Naruto because there are so many surprises left.” You know these sorts of things, to keep fans hyped and interested so they can continue to buy my product so I can make money. None of the things that he said after the ending are things to inspire people to follow “Naruto” anymore.

 

He might as well come out and say “F all of you”. The second reason is again pure conjecture on my side but his way of portraying NH and SS, especially NH in chapter 700. Because in the movie and advertising that SP did for that movie, they show NH as a perfect couple, like they’re meant for each other, that Naruto loves Hinata and only Hinata and bla bla bla. And here comes Kishi with chapter 700 where he declares that Naruto is a drunk, deadbeat father that beats his own son, probably beats Hinata as well and he’s way too busy and spends time at work instead of at home with his family. And Kishi in chapter 700 doesn’t show Naruto and Hinata together; I know you’re going to say “Well it’s done a bit ambiguous in order for people to go watch the movie.” To which I would say in a way yeah.

 

But that raises the question why not show Naruto and Hinata on cover of the last volume? I mean the cover came out after the movie came out so it doesn’t spoil or ruin the movie for people. Plus he already made a cover with Naruto and Hinata before, so why not do it again? Why not show Naruto as the Hokage with Hinata by his side being all happy, to tell us “Look I’m the Hokage now. I have a family, I’m happy, I succeeded. Be happy for me.” Why did he choose to show a lonely Naruto; with none of his friends by his side, just him with his back turned towards us the readers. It’s odd. The way I see it there’s clearly something going on between him and SP.

Edit. Plus the new Gaiden miniseries came out and Kishi hasn’t shown any interaction between Naruto and Hinata.

 

Why did he choose to tell us that Naruto is a drunk, a deadbeat father that would rather spend time at work doing nothing? Remember what I said before about people being able to connect to these fictional characters. Well this is one way I connected to Naruto. I’m about to tell you something that I never told anyone else, not even my own mother. You see my mother raised me alone, my sister helped as well but for the most part my mother took care of me. Because my father is pretty much a drunk that preferred spending time with his so called friends at the corner of a street drinking than spending time with his own son.

 

Now this isn’t what I’ve never told anyone before, the next thing is. You see as a kid I wanted my father by my side, I wanted to have that father-son bond, to spend some moments with my father. Of course as I grew up I understood that’s not really what I wanted. I didn’t want to spend time with such a person. So you see when chapter 700 came out and I saw Naruto treating his own son like that, it was sort of flashback and flashforward happening at the same time because I was reminded of my past and sort of a glimpse into the future. For a moment it made me question myself, am I going to treat my future kid/kids like this since I never had a father.  Remember no one can truly connect 100% with these characters.

Yet again space reasons 3

So could he have sold out? Yes of course but I only believe that if he was offered a huge paycheck before the ending and then after he got the money he didn’t care anymore and did whatever he was told. Again I don’t see him selling out. I see them selling out to what they believed is what the majority of people want, basically selling out to popularity. Now they didn’t go with popularity because they wanted to satisfy the fans, no. They went with what they believed to be popular to satisfy themselves. Since we’re on the subject of popularity let’s talk about it or more accurately the illusion of it.

 

From a certain point of view it would seem that the pairing fans are the majority of fans. That is a false perception. You see the pairing fans are and will always be the loudest of any fandom, making it in such a way that would give the impression that they’re the majority but in reality they are only a very small portion of the actually fanbase. And within the “Naruto” fanbase the NH fans are the loudest of the pairing fans, and the pairing fans are just a speck. In reality the NH fans are grains of sand in an ocean. There are more fans of the story than there are pairing fans. And you can quote me on this one. The only exception to this rule is if the story is a romance story from the get-go. If the plot of story is getting character x with character y then the majority will be pairing fans. However since we’re talking about “Naruto” that was never the case.

 

Let’s talk about the real popularity. You see the majority of people when they like something they follow it/buy it and if they don’t like it anymore, they just stop following it/buying it. Even though we live in the age of the internet where we can literally have the internet at our fingertips. And by that I mean you have access to the internet on your phone, most people don’t really go online and vote on polls or comment on different websites. They just follow what they like and if they don’t like it anymore, they just stop and move on to something else. And maybe a couple of them will go online on some forum and post that they don’t like it anymore but after that it’s the end of road.

 

Popularity is shown in sales not polls. People vote with their wallets. And you can quote me and this one as well. When it comes to this sort of stuff people vote with their wallets; not on some poll somewhere on some website. Speaking about internet polls. Internet polls or petitions don’t really mean anything. Because what exactly did you do? You either clicked a button or touched your screen on your phone or tablet. It’s completely meaningless and it doesn’t really show anything. They’re pointless.

 

Now I say they went with what they believed to be popular because of fear. Fear that the continuation would not sell if those kids belong to what they were originally intended to be.

I say this decision was done by a group of privileged cowards seeking only to enrich themselves. They convened in private and made a decision that would benefit them. Or at least they thought it would.

You can argue with me as much as you want. But the simple fact of the matter is this: Neither Boruto or Salad look or act like their supposed parents. And that’s simply because of who those kids were originally designed to be. Boruto was originally designed as Naruto and Sakura’s kid, while Salad was designed as Sasuke and Karin’s kid.

 

Naruto’s kid looks and acts like a different version of Naruto and Sakura. He likes pranks just like Naruto and Sakura, his hairstyle while hideous is similar to Sakura’s father. Boruto was originally Shinachiku. You can argue with me as much as you want but that kid has none of Hinata’s traits in him. He doesn’t look like her or act anything like Hinata. When Kishi was asked “Why doesn’t that kid have the Byakugan?” his answer was “I forgot.” I’m sorry you forgot? What kind of answer is that?

That’s like saying “Well I forgot to draw his head”.

 

One look at Hinata and the first think that you’ll notice are those creepy eyes. So it’s not like you can forget such a thing. The answer he gave is completely bs. He didn’t forget, he just switched mothers.

Edit. The only thing that Boruto has in common with Hinata, the thing that tells us 100% Hinata is the mother of that kid. Is the fact that in the new Gaiden; that Boruto is completely irrelevant to the plot of story; he doesn’t really show up, no one cares about him, he’s completely irrelevant to everything, etc. That’s the only thing trait that kid has inherent from Hinata. It’s the only thing that actually connects him to her.

Yet again space reasons 4

Similar thing can be said about Sasuke and supposedly Sakura’s kid. Salad doesn’t look or act anything like Sakura. Her looks, behavior, gestures, facial expression are all Karin's. And I’m not saying this because of those glasses. Seriously go the manga and study the panels with Karin and then look at Salad. It’s obvious as hell to whom that kid belongs to. If you really believe Sakura is the real mother of that kid then you’re just dumb. In 700 the only reason that kid says “Shanaro” is so we can identify her as Sakura’s. But she isn’t Sakura’s kid.

 

Edit 1. Gaiden just showed Salad discovering a picture of Karin and realizing that Sakura might not be her mother.

Edit 2. Gaiden just confirmed that Karin is the mother.

Edit 3. Most likely in Gaiden they’re going to use give us some stupid explanation that Salad is indeed Sakura’s kid, that she’s the biological mother. Probably they’re going to say that because Sasuke sucked Karin’s chakra all those times; Karin’s DNA entered his system and he passed it to Salad. Or when Sakura gave birth to Salad; Salad was weak and almost died and Karin let the baby suck all her chakra in order to save her thus passing her DNA onto Salad. Or maybe they’re just going to ignore the Salad has Karin’s DNA all together and act like it never happened. Whatever idiotic thing they’re going to say it will never change the fact of who those kids were originally designed to be.

 

Now why did I say that SP are probably the ones behind? Well from what I see SP are the only ones that could benefit from this in the long run. Because between chapter 699 and 700 and beyond, they are the ones that can make literally hundreds of filler episodes. Which means they can benefit the most from this. And because of the movie. They finally did what they wanted to do from the moment they started animating “Naruto”. They finally made their favorite little princess the main character.

 

Ok I know I’ve said a lot of things above that might’ve confused you a bit so I’m going to make a small summary of what I believe happened. I don’t believe that he sold out but I’m not excluding that possibility, I believe they (the ones who are in charge of “Naruto”) sold out to what they believed to be the majority of fans – the pairing fans. And I believe he was forced to adapt to someone else’s decision. When you take in consideration how disconnected the movie is from the actual manga, it’s not really that farfetched to say that Kishi was doing his manga while SP were busy doing the movie, and one day the two collided. SP showed him the movie and Kishi was like "What is this?" and SP's answer was "Well we already did the movie so STFU and adapt to it.” And Kishi being the coward that he said “Ok” and went along with it. I mean for God’s sake they went to the moon.  In the movie Konohamaru has blue eyes, he has blue eyes. Konohamaru doesn’t have blue eyes.

 

But the real reason I don’t believe he was the one behind this is because the narrative is always the writer’s true intentions, not his/her interviews. And there’s nothing in this story that suggest this, nothing.

Ok that explains the pairings, now why is everything else broken? I’m afraid that is knowledge I do not possess.

 

Since we’ve talked about what happened, let’s talk about what will happen in the future.

You see right now they only have two choices. Continue on this path which will lead them to their demise because from now on its only lose lose lose for them. Or admit defeat and redo the ending. Yes that is correct you read that right. Redo the ending. And you can mark my words sooner or later they’re going to redo the ending. Now if they’re smart or to be more precise desperate they’re going to go with the IT route/genjutsu route. And I’m not saying this because I really what the IT theory to be true, remember before the movie came out I said I believed the IT theory. No, it’s because by going the IT route/it was all a dream that would allow them to keep this ending as canon but at the same time dismiss it as just a dream/illusion.

 

It would be sort of a compromise for them; they acknowledge that they screwed up and they need to redo the ending but at the same time they still want to keep what they did as canon. However that being said this is not the correct way to do this. The correct way would be to redo the Naruto vs. Sasuke fight; I’ll talk about it a bit later.

 

The only way they’re not going to redo the ending is if the Japanese are dumb enough to continue to support them enough for them to actually make a profit. The reason I say the Japanese is because that’s their main market, 80-90% of their sales are in Japan. Or if they decide it’s over with “Naruto” that they did what they wanted with it and starting from tomorrow there will be no more mangas, no more anime episodes, no more movies, no more spinoffs, no more games, no more novels, no more toys or posters or any sort of merchandise based on “Naruto”. Basically they end with everything related to “Naruto” and they won’t try to make any more money from this series.

 

Neither of those options are plausible. You’ve seen how much money the movie made; you’ve seen how many copies the last volume sold; speaking of which the sales for the last volume are absolutely pathetic. It barely sold just a little more than the previous volumes. That’s pathetic for the volume that contains the ending, because the ending usually brings back a lot of people that dropped the story. Because they want to know how it ends. Plus the volume contains the most anticipated and wanted thing since the story started aka the battle between Naruto and Sasuke. Plus it contained other bonus material. And it barely sold just a little more than the previous volumes, pathetic.

 

You’ve seen that the novels are dropping in sales, with each one that comes out the number of copies sold is going down. So unless the Japanese decided that the new Gaiden series is amazing and will continue to support them option A is not plausible. And neither is option B, since they created a brand. The name “Naruto” is a brand, it’s a product. Putting that name on top of something ensures them that people will buy it. Now I’m sure Kishi doesn’t really care if Gaiden or the Boruto movie or anything past it will sell. He already made his money so he doesn’t care anymore but remember there are two companies behind him, two companies that are not going to give up the “Naruto” name so easily.

 

It’s something that will ensure them money because the name has a lot of power behind it. These two companies are going to use that name and milk the series for as long as possible. But no matter how much power a name has it’s not enough to make people buy whatever follows. Especially when they’ve alienated so many people and insulted them. So option B is not plausible either because they’re not going to give up trying to sell “Naruto” products. They’re not going to let it go.

 

Now the damage has already been done. There will never be a proper way to fix this, a 100% way to fix this. What is done is done. But that doesn’t mean it’s not fixable. There’s a way to fix this and I’m going to mention it a bit later.

  

 

Now I’m sure after reading this you might think that I’ve become a Kishi defender. That I’m defending him. Not really because even though I said I believe he was forced to adapt to someone else’s decision that still doesn’t excuse what he did. He’s still responsible for this because he allowed it to happen. Because unless his contract said “If you don’t do as we say; we’ll sue your pants off of you” then he has no excuse for what happened. He could’ve easily said “If you guys what to do this fine but do it without me. I quit.” He holds equal blame for this. He allowed it to happen. Hell even if his contract really said that he still should’ve had the balls to say no.

[unhskikrforever]

To be honest, what I hate most out of what Naruto (the series) has become is the way Kishi butchered Naruto as a character. He's not the Naruto I fell in love with. I never thought Naruto and Sakura looked cute together either but the way their relationship was developed and how much Naruto was shown to have genuine feelings for Sakura were what made me ship them. Part 2, where their relationship really developed, was when the shipping started. The fact that Kishi, and those who were involved in writing the storyline of The Last, made his feelings for her out to be THAT shallow completely baffled me. That's just not how Naruto is, or was. It was seriously out of character. I just have no idea what went wrong.

[HuskyLover]

It's crazy but pretty much everything you said reciprocates how I felt about NS and everything that happened with the Naruto Ending.

 

Like you said, I only pushed NS because that was the direction of the narrative of the story (+ Plus it made me appreciate Sakura alot more )

But then everything established in the manga became pointless 

[Nostradamus]

I’ve talked about all the crap that SP did with the movie so let’s move on to what Kishi did with his last volume/ending. I’m only going to talk about that because to be honest if I want I could talk about all the bad things he did in the entire manga but this rant is already way too long as it is.

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I’m sorry to say this but for the last volume it’s like he was jerking off, he finished quickly and what came out is exactly what we got. And after he finished he said “I’m done. Who do I see for my paycheck?” I’m sorry but that’s how rushed and short and boring and uninteresting the last volume was.

It contained the most anticipated and wanted thing by all the “Naruto” fans.  And that is the final showdown between Naruto and Sasuke. And it’s 4 chapters long. 4 chapters, insert angry Joe comment here about games that are 4 hours.

 

Seriously are you kidding me? We’re talking about something that everyone wanted to see; an epic fight between those two. And it’s 4 chapters long and these chapters are not even good. The fight between them is boring, contains useless flashbacks that lead to nothing and its anticlimactic.  And if you actually stop for a second and think you’ll realize the fight is really 1 chapter long because one chapter is actually a real fight between those two and it’s pretty well done.

 

So in reality Kishi gave us a one chapter fight between Naruto and Sasuke. It’s pathetic, the fight that was shown to us a couple of years ago in that OVA is better than what he got in ending of the manga, it’s better choreographed, it’s more interesting to watch than what Kishi gave us in the last volume. That’s why I said about redoing this fight because what we got here is pathetic. It’s not enjoyable. It’s forgettable.

 

But wait his failures don’t end there. Let’s talk about what he did with Sasuke’s character development. In chapter 698 Sasuke finally understands that even though he lost his real family, he still has a family. Naruto, Sakura and Kakashi are his family. He finally got the development that his character needed. And in the next chapter 699 Kishi robs Sasuke of his development that he just got in the previous chapter because in 699 after he just realized that Naruto, Sakura and Kakashi are his family he decides to abandon them. Are you freaking kidding me? Look I’ve said this many times, I don’t like Sasuke; never did and never will. But that doesn’t mean I want him to be robbed of his character development that he just got.

 

Then you have the main plot of part 2. Part 2 started around chapter 250 something and from then Naruto’s entire journey was about bringing Sasuke back in Konoha. The main plot of the story is resolved in chapter 698 and guess what in the next chapter it gets destroyed. You got to be kidding me again. Yes granted in 698 Sasuke is not back in Konoha but it’s heavily implied that he’s coming back and thanks to Naruto’s special power to convince people to do as he wants; Sasuke will be accepted by the people in Konoha. But no Kishi decides that the best solution to resolve the plot is to resolve it and then destroy it. My head hurts. Hey moron you just subverted what you just wrote a chapter ago. That’s not how story telling works. For God’s sake.

 

But wait there’s more of course there is. The major problem is that all of it leads to nothing, to nowhere. Everything we have ever read in the last 698 chapters lead nowhere. Every single dialog, every single hint, every single foreshadowing, every single development, every single fight, every single thing that you can possibly think of lead to nothing. The war lead to nothing, Naruto’s development lead to nowhere, Sasuke’s development nowhere, Sakura’s development lead nowhere, all the development that these characters got lead to nowhere. All the big talk about the next generation always surpasses the previous one and how people must cherish the bonds they have with their friends/family lead nowhere. Every single moment and line ever said in this story have become meaningless, pointless and irrelevant. They have no value anymore. They’re meaningless.

 

The universe, the characters, the lore, the themes, the conversations, all the things we know and love about “Naruto” are now destroyed. They have no meaning.

For the last time space reasons 2

Many have said that this ending is a retcon, that it retcons the manga. Ah that’s actually false. Because a retcon stands for retroactive continuity and it means changing established information.

Now here’s the thing this ending doesn’t actually retcon the manga at all. You see we didn’t get an ending. Remember what I said in the beginning that it’s not really an ending, it’s just advertising. The “Naruto” story doesn’t have an ending, what it has is an introduction to a new story which by itself is advertising. That’s right instead of an ending we got an introduction to a brand new story. It’s not an ending because chapter 699 which is supposed to be “ending” (that is the last chapter of “Naruto”) doesn’t contain a single element of what an ending is supposed to be. Not one single element of what an ending is; is present in that chapter. Not one.

 

And before you say “Well that speech is something said in the end of a story”. Wrong, that speech is something said in the middle of the story or after the bad guy realizes what he/she is doing is bad and sees the light. It’s something said after a battle, not as an ending to a story. “Naruto” still doesn’t have an ending. It just continues with a completely different story.

 

Now you understand why it’s not a retcon? The original story is left behind we get no ending to it and then it just continues but it continues with a completely new story, with completely new characters in a completely new universe. And everything from the original story apart from the names is abandoned.

Chapters 699 and 700 especially 700 are nothing more than an introduction to this brand new story and that is actually advertising. Kishi never finished “Naruto”, he just moved on to something else. Hey moron before you move on to a new story make sure you finish the previous one.

 

Now you understand why you can’t really consider this is part of the canonical material of the manga? It’s because it’s not part of it. No matter how much they want to say it is. It isn’t.

They didn’t give us an ending, the story that we followed for the last 15 years doesn’t have an ending. Instead of an ending and epilogue we got advertising for whatever follows. That’s why it’s not really canon, it’s canon within itself but it’s not part of the actually story that we followed for 15 years. The “Naruto” story desperately needs a denouement and an epilogue. And it has neither of those.

 

Again I say this hoping you’ll get it. We got a brand new story with brand new characters set within a brand new universe. And the only thing it has in common with the “Naruto” story is that it borrows their names. The characters that we see after chapter 689 are not the same characters that were portrayed for the last 15 years. There’s no way in hell that the real Naruto would just let Sasuke go like he did in chapter 699 after chasing after him for all those years. There’s no way in hell that the real Sasuke would abandon his new family after he acknowledges them, and on and on. Now let’s move on.

 

You know what they say “It’s not the destination that matters. It is the journey.” Well that’s true however when the destination completely and utterly destroys the journey, then what's the point of making the journey in the first place? Answer: There's none.

You see what they did here is they made the entire journey pointless. There’s no reason for a new comer to read “Naruto” because all the things that they’ll enjoy about it are completely irrelevant in the end. And there’s no reason for an old fan to re-read “Naruto” because again all the things that he/she might enjoy about it have no meaning anymore. Nothing in the last 698 chapters matters anymore. All was sacrificed and burned to the ground for this brand new story.

For the last time space reasons 3

Let’s move on to something else that Kishi did. You see normally in stories the good guys are rewarded while the bad guys are punished, but not in Kishi’s story. In his story the wicked are rewarded while the just are punished. What do I mean by that? Well in his story the wicked get rewarded; the wicked being Sasuke, Obito and Hinata. While the just Naruto, Sakura are punished.

 

So Sasuke for abandoning his friends, wanting to kill them, almost killing them, wanting to start a revolution and so much more ends up getting rewarded. In the end for all the bad things he did he receives no punishment whatsoever. In fact he’s offered freedom to travel the world as he pleases without any consequences at all. There’s absolutely no justice in the “Naruto” universe. Sasuke gets the possibility to get his hand back, he gets to travel the world and he’s rewarded the girl that the main character loved because reasons.

 

Moving on to Obito; we all know all the bad things he did. Like starting a war, killing innocent people, being responsible for Naruto’s parents death, etc. And in the end he’s rewarded eternity with the girl that he loves. That’s right kids this story teaches us that if you’re a psychopath that murders everyone that gets in your way, you’ll be rewarded with happiness for all eternity.

 

Let’s move on to Hinata. I’ll start with her confession, she went there to help Naruto but in reality she did more harm. Instead of actually helping Naruto or come up with a plan to actually save Naruto; she decides that the best solution is to waste time and confess instead of actually helping him and then she decides to attack a God on her own, making the entire situation a lot worse than it already was. Then she indirectly killed Neji, yes she’s responsible for Neji’s death.

 

Because instead of actually doing something to save Naruto she decides that the best solution is to play goalie and jumping in front of an attack; forcing Neji to sacrifice himself to save her. And she doesn’t even thank him for giving up his own life. What a scumbag she is. But wait what makes her worse than trash is this: when Naruto was dying she abandoned her friends to go to Naruto but tripped on a rock and immediately after that she gives up on Naruto’s life. She’s worse than trash. And before you jump on me let me remind of something that Kakashi said “Those who don’t follow the ninja rules are scum but those who abandon their friends are worse than scum.” So the by the story’s own rules Hinata is worse than scum. I’m not the one that said this, the story is.

 

But even though she’s worse than scum, she gets rewarded. While the good guys aka Naruto and Sakura get screwed. Naruto’s reward for being kind, loving, selfless and saving the world multiple times is that he gets to be a reward for someone else. Naruto and Sakura end up being toys for Sasuke and Hinata; playthings for them. Welcome everyone to the story that rewarded the wicked and punished the just. Oh my God.

The ending of “Naruto” is the worst ending in history of storytelling. First of all because it’s not really an ending it’s just advertising and secondly because everything an ending is supposed to do it just doesn’t do it. It goes in the exact opposite direction.

 

And if you disagree with me about “Naruto” having the worst ending in history please tell me of another ending that does all of these things: It destroys the main plot after it just resolves it, it makes the entire journey pointless, it changes genres twice from a story that was action based it turned into a chick flick in the movie and then it changes genres again in the new Gaiden by going the soap opera way all within a couple of months. The plot of Gaiden is “Who’s my mommy?” seriously that’s the plot of it. It fails to end one story but instead gives us a new beginning to a new story, it abandoned and destroys all of the themes especially the two major themes which are “To never give up” and “Cherish the bonds you have” because Naruto along with everyone else ended up giving up on everything, it rewards the bad guys while punishing the good guys, it changes the main character, it introduces new characters that no one cares about and I could probably go on for a very long time.

 

So if you really think you know of another story that did all of these things and more please let me know. Because I have never read or seen or even heard of anything even remotely close to this. We’ve all seen bad endings, it’s not something new. But this is, this is something new. This is a different beast.

Those who like this ending are either idiots because they simply can’t comprehend all the things wrong with it or somehow they benefit from it. What I’m talking about here are reviewers that either got paid to say this ending is great or get paid if they attract more people, I’m specifically talking about YouTube reviewers here. Any sane person can instantly tell you this ending is crap.

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Now let’s not kid ourselves here, the ending that the Kishi told us was going to happen through his own writing wasn’t going to be something amazing. It wasn’t going to blow our brains out and makes us think about life or some deep meaning about it. The ending that he foreshadowed was going to be exactly like the rest of his story, mediocre at best. But it would’ve been an ending.

 

Now how to fix this? What’s the correct way to fix this?

Hey Kishi/SP/whoever was in charge of this and is in charge now. Listen to me very carefully this is what you guys have to do in order to properly fix this.

Take responsibility for your actions, apologize for what you did say that you’re forced to do this, say you had no clue what you’re doing, say whatever just admit that you screwed up and take responsibility for your actions. Then redo the ending in a movie or a manga whatever but start from chapter 690 and redo the Naruto vs. Sasuke fight or even better go even further back around chapter 640 and erase Kaguya and Hamura from existence. Because those two characters if you can actually call them characters were only created in order for Hinata’s power-up to not look contrived, but it still is.

 

Not to mention that Kaguya’s so called backstory made no sense. It was said that she used IT on the entire world to create an army of Zetsu. And that raises the following question: an army to fight against whom? Oh let me guess the Martians right. Because at this point with people living on the moon anything goes. And if you’re really lazy and don’t want to redo the Naruto vs. Sasuke fight something that should be redone, then just erase the last two chapters from existence and redo them. And when you redo them bring back the real Naruto Uzumaki with his real haircut and his real smile, the real Sasuke Uchiha, the real Sakura Haruno, the real Hatake Kakashi as well as the rest of the real characters that we’ve been following for the last 15 years. Not these doppelgangers that replaced the real characters.

 

Don’t make the entire journey pointless, don’t insult us, and don’t resolve the plot then immediately destroy it. Don’t introduce new characters that no one cares about. Erase Boruto and Salad as well as all those kids from existence because no one followed the story for those characters. Don’t turn Naruto into a scumbag like you did. And as for pairings either don’t make them at all or just do the two pairings that actually have foreshadowing behind them. Naruto and Sakura; and Sasuke and Karin. That’s it. No pairing extravaganza. Characters don’t need to be paired up with someone just because.

 

And as Hinata you only have three choices, you either show her as the Hyuuga leader and that’s it, she doesn’t end up with anyone, she’s just the Hyuuga leader. Or you don’t show her at all because shoving Hinata down people’s throats only makes people hate her even more. Or kill her. Those are the only options you have with her. And don’t screw it up. And actually end the story.

 

So here we are at the end of this rant but before I leave you I do want to mention a couple of things.

For those of you that call people that didn’t like the ending salty. Because well you “won”, I have to remind you that no one won anything here. We all lost you morons. We the fans lost.

If you’re a fan of the story you lost, if you’re a Naruto fan you lost, if you’re a Sasuke fan you lost, if you’re a fan of any of the characters you lost. You’re all losers here; the only people that “won” here are the people that made money from this ending, the people behind “Naruto” those are the winners. Not us. And as for you pairing fans, you NH and SS fans what exactly do you think you won?

 

You NH fans got a brand new character that borrows Naruto’s name and then you got a brand new character that borrows Hinata’s name and you got those two brand new characters together. Then you got the writer himself coming out and saying he went with that pairing because he left pity towards Hinata. Which if you don’t know what that let me translate that. It means that he was always planned to put Naruto together with Sakura; and all those moments that we got in the manga between Naruto and Hinata were just there to attract you idiots. To make you keep reading his story. That’s what it means. From day one he planned Naruto and Sakura but changed it at the last second on a whim. And then you got Naruto and Sakura’s kid passed as a NH kid. Oh yeah you definitely won. Wake up you lost just like everyone else that read this story.

 

And you SS fans you got Sasuke and Karin’s kid passed as a SS kid. It doesn’t matter what we’ll find out in the last chapter of Gaiden if we find out anything. Like I said before Kishi’s going to either say that because Sasuke sucked Karin’s chakra all those times that resulted in that kid having Karin’s DNA or when Sakura gave birth the kid almost died and Karin saved the kid by letting the kid suck her chakra or maybe Kishi’s going to go all Obi-Wan on us. And go “This is not the DNA test you were looking for.” And by that I mean ignore it entirely. Regardless anyone with half a brain can instantly see that the biological parents of Salad are Sasuke and Karin. No matter what they say it will never change who those kids were originally designed to be. They can lie as much as they want.

 

What I said about changing the ending will happen sooner or later but it won't happen today or tomorrow or the day after tomorrow or a couple of weeks from now. Right now they're going full throttle with this pedal to the metal until the hit a wall. I'm speaking of course metaphorically here. The wall being them spending money and not making a profit. The Boruto movie will have some success because the ending is still fresh and people still have some faith that maybe this catastrophe can be saved but anything pass the Boruto movie is a big no no.

 

Now when they’ll change the ending if we find out that Kishi releases the real ending as an independent or working for a different company or we know he has full power over the ending then that will be a confirmation that he was indeed forced to adapt to someone else’s decision.

 

But if everything is exactly as it is today, meaning he still works for Shueisha and he still has a contract with SP and everything is farmed out to different individuals like the movie and the novels were. Because that’s exactly what happened here, everything was farmed out and then Kishi with his canon stamp declared all as canon. If this happens then we’ll get our answer that he wasn’t forced to do this and this is really how he ended it. Until that day comes I’m willing to give him the benefit of the doubt because we don’t really know what the hell happened. Neither of us do, unless you have his contract in front of you so you can see who has the power over “Naruto” we can’t say for sure who is behind all of this. Does that mean I forgive him or see him as a victim here? No of course not. He is still responsible for this.

Now I know what I’m about to say now is arrogant and that’s because it is. But I don’t need proof to know I’m right.

 

Like I said before the only way they’re not going to change the ending is either if the Japanese decide that Gaiden and Boruto are absolutely amazing and they continue to support them or if the people behind “Naruto” decide to just end it. Neither of those plausible, do you know honestly believe Boruto and Salad and scumbag Naruto and Sasuke wannabe Madara and all the rest are actually going to sell? Come on, come on, and come on.

 

Or that the people Shueisha or SP are going to stop using the “Naruto” name? They’re going to milk it until there’s nothing to be milked and then start again. They created a brand; they’re not going to stop using that name.

Now when exactly are they going to change it? Well my guess is about 2-3 years from now, that would be a best case scenario. Worst case scenario would be 10 years from now and worst worst case scenario is that they’re not going to change it at all because either people love this crap and continue to support them or they stop releasing “Naruto” related stuff.

 

Oh and before someone says “Well they’re not going to change the ending because they’re committed to this now.” Might I remind you that this is a business and if changing the ending equals money, then they’re going to do it. Period there are no if and buts here.

Oh and one last thing to be honest I seriously doubt they're actually going to change it the proper way. Most likely they're going to redo the ending and act like Gaiden and The Last as well as everything else never happened. Without any apologizes or anyone taking any sort of responsibility.

  

Just three more things I want to say. First of all I want to ask the most and I do mean the most obvious question of them all. Was no one supervising them when they did this? Did no one look at this and said “Hey this is stupid. It makes no sense. The people that followed this story for 15 years are not going to be ok with it.” Seriously did no one supervise this? Was there really no one that looked at it before releasing it? What were they thinking? Were they thinking? Because it really looks like no one thought about it. Do they actually believe that no one will notice that what we got is not really an ending? That in terms of literature “Naruto” still doesn’t have an end. That they just moved on to a new project. I mean really no one looked at it?

 

Secondly I can’t force you to believe what I believe and I don’t want to. So either you believe that he really had no clue how to end it or that he wanted to end it a long time ago but his bosses didn’t allow it or maybe he got replaced with Mr. Scratch (let’s see how many of you get that reference) or anything else. Believe whatever you think is true but do not believe for a second that this crap was planned from the beginning or 8 years ago or 6 years ago or whatever lie they’re going to say.

 

None of this crap was planned from day one, this was a decision done on the last mile. Why do I say to not believe that this was planned? Well because when the ending came out that week, I actually thought I read the entire thing wrong. That my reading skills failed me and this was really where the narrative was heading, that I was just stupid and couldn’t see it. Until I was able to realize that they just screwed it up bit time. If we didn’t enjoy it they made it wrong. That is the very nature of entertainment.

 

And thirdly and truly the last thing.

Kishi/Shueisha/SP/whoever was and still is in charge of this. You take your 699 and 699.5 aka The Last and 700 and Gaiden and Boruto aka Burrito and Salad aka Caesar Salad and scumbag Naruto and Sasuke wannabe Madara and Chocho and your Ipads and your Konoha New York City and Byakugan Princess and everything else that happens or is present after chapter 698. You take all those things and stick them up your arse.

 

The End.

Edited by Nostradamus, 02 July 2015 - 12:21 AM.

[starlitestarbrite]

hi!, i liked your rants'. i sensed all a long that something was wrong,and i think there's some kind of conspiracy theory, or something going on i felt like the manga was an open ending at 698, and then something went wrong and SP/shueisha bought the series for advertisement purposes'. who knows what all may really be going on with kishi, SP, shueisha. it could be anything from a competition with one piece,, to something more sinister going on. if the anime/manga industry's like Hollywood's "show biz", and music business then

 

I'm sure there are some very shady, and greedy idiots using anyone any way they can to get money from them, their fans', and even their haters'. it's like we need a super team like the girls' from pretty little liars only instead of figuring out who "A" is they can figure out where the REAL ending of naruto is, and get it out, exposing the truth for the world to see!. i believe the truth will somehow will come out in the end, even the deepest, darkest secrets' can't be kept forever.and all the hate that NH/SS fans' dish out on the other shippers [mostly NS] it will backfire on them somehow. karma's a "kitten" and when the claws are out, just hope your not getting scratched! lol.

 

TBH i can relate with sakura, and naruto. both outcasts' growing up just looking for acceptance, and they find each other in the end, building each other up, and more. i could see their bond step by step going from platonic friendship to romantic love. they knew eachother better than they knew themselves.i'm still an NS shipper but, only because i love the idea of true unconditional selfless love

 

and true friendship, i wish it existed in this world. there's way to much selfishness, hate,greed, ect, NS was a wonderland to escape into...now, it's gone..."or is it?", i loved naruto for his smiley, hyperactive "dumb blonde" personality, and his out look on life! no matter what happened he NEVER gave up!, he loved sakura from his soul, and once sakura realized it she opened her heart to him as well,

 

i never thought much of sakura but, when she started caring deeply for naruto i started to like her, i liked her because she's strong, and independant. those two became apart of who i am because i can relate with them on a personal level,i guess that's why i can do NaruSaku omakes' [on my blog] so, well. because they are who i wish i was.

Edited by starlitestarbrite, 02 July 2015 - 04:49 AM.

[Nostradamus]

hi!, i liked your rants'. i sensed all a long that something was wrong,and i think there's some kind of conspiracy theory, or something going on i felt like the manga was an open ending at 698, and then something went wrong and SP/shueisha bought the series for advertisement purposes'. who knows what all may really be going on with kishi, SP, shueisha. it could be anything from a competition with one piece,, to something more sinister going on. if the anime/manga industry's like Hollywood's "show biz", and music business then

 

I'm sure there are some very shady, and greedy idiots using anyone any way they can to get money from them, their fans', and even their haters'. it's like we need a super team like the girls' from pretty little liars only instead of figuring out who "A" is they can figure out where the REAL ending of naruto is, and get it out, exposing the truth for the world to see!. i believe the truth will somehow will come out in the end, even the deepest, darkest secrets' can't be kept forever.and all the hate that NH/SS fans' dish out on the other shippers [mostly NS] it will backfire on them somehow. karma's a "kitten" and when the claws are out, just hope your not getting scratched! lol.

 

TBH i can relate with sakura, and naruto. both outcasts' growing up just looking for acceptance, and they find each other in the end, building each other up, and more. i could see their bond step by step going from platonic friendship to romantic love. they knew eachother better than they knew themselves.i'm still an NS shipper but, only because i love the idea of true unconditional selfless love

 

and true friendship, i wish it existed in this world. there's way to much selfishness, hate,greed, ect, NS was a wonderland to escape into...now, it's gone..."or is it?", i loved naruto for his smiley, hyperactive "dumb blonde" personality, and his out look on life! no matter what happened he NEVER gave up!, he loved sakura from his soul, and once sakura realized it she opened her heart to him as well,

 

i never thought much of sakura but, when she started caring deeply for naruto i started to like her, i liked her because she's strong, and independant. those two became apart of who i am because i can relate with them on a personal level,i guess that's why i can do NaruSaku omakes' [on my blog] so, well. because they are who i wish i was.

I'm glad you enjoyed them.

Sooner or later we're going to find out what exactly happened. However it's not going to be anytime soon, most likely years from now.

Possibly Kishi himself is going to come out and admit the truth or maybe his bosses will make him say anything just to keep Naruto selling. To me this whole thing smells of corporate intervention. Men and women in suits made a decision that they believed would make them more money without any thought about the people that read this story.

 

I have found that answers come in their own time, not ours. It's going to be along time until we actually find out what happened. By that time I fear that almost everyone if not everyone on this forum would've moved on or won't even care.

Edited by Nostradamus, 02 July 2015 - 12:08 PM.

[Nar123]

This rant seems to be amazing   and quite the work, I need time to read it and give my own opinion regarding this though 

[Raito]

Loved this rant! I didn't read everything but i think i get the whole idea here. 

 

Has that ever happened, where they decide to re-write the ending of a manga?

It would make my day if Kishi himself wrote an apology and explained how he had sold his story to a company. I doubt this will ever happen though.    

[Nostradamus]

This rant seems to be amazing   and quite the work, I need time to read it and give my own opinion regarding this though 

Please do.

 

Loved this rant! I didn't read everything but i think i get the whole idea here. 

 

Has that ever happened, where they decide to re-write the ending of a manga?

It would make my day if Kishi himself wrote an apology and explained how he had sold his story to a company. I doubt this will ever happen though.    

Well from what I heard one story that did something similar is Evangelion. I'm not familiar with that story but from my understanding the author decided to make multiple endings to satisfy everyone. I'm sure someone will correct me if I'm wrong.

But I can give you a recent example with Akira Toriyama who recently redid the ending and he's continuing to work on a continuation for Dragon Ball.

 

Toriyama with the Battle of Gods movie and Resurrection F and the upcoming anime series eliminated Dragon Ball GT from existence. Granted GT was never considered canon but he still nullified it from existence and in Battle of Gods he even made fun of GT. Plus he even nullified his own ending from his own manga and erased characters that he himself created.

So it's not unheard of to redo the ending.

 

Like I said at the end of the day it's a business and it's all about the money. Considering that Kishi is retiring after the Boruto movie I'm even more convinced that he doesn't really care if Gaiden or the movie or anything past that will succeed.

But there are two companies behind him, two companies that won't give up on milking "Naruto". Two companies that will do anything to ensure "Naruto" brings them money.

And like I said if changing the ending equals money then they are going to do it.

 

Granted Dragon Ball changed the ending 20 years after it ended but Dragon Ball had a long tail that allowed them to make money.

With "Naruto" they decided to go full retard and destroy absolutely everything so they can satisfy a very small portion of the fanbase and of course themselves. So "Naruto" doesn't have such a long tail.

Edited by Nostradamus, 03 July 2015 - 04:40 PM.

[Raiya]

This was exceptionally well written and honestly, I believe you 100%.  I see the reviews to The Last online and my only reaction is, "How can you be satisfied by this in any way as a Naruto fan?"

 

Pairing wars aside I felt like I could honestly relate to Naruto - I was a sad loner growing up myself and for the entirety of the manga I was pulling for Naruto to succeed at all his goals.   The end could not be considered the end, when we look at Naruto's goals: to be respected, to have friends/family, to have Sakura acknowledge his love, to be hokage.  What out of any of this is resolved?  He earned everyones respect after defeating Pain, including Sakura's, but it is all destroyed by the crappy father/husband/drunkard he became.  His great love for sakura was played off as rivalry, even with all the proof in the manga showing otherwise, his 'family' is nowhere to be found - Iruka is MIA, Sasuke left right after 'returning', Sakura is busy playing housewife to a man she hasn't seen in 12 years...

 

and the biggest 'eff you' to the Naruto fandom is the fact that we never get to see Naruto achieve his #1 goal.  We don't even get to see him become hokage, his crowning achievement, his moment of glory and the realization of all his hopes and dreams.  Instead we get to watch Naruto and Hinata be forced together through some contrived and horrendous writing.  Instead of making a kitten movie revolving around a side character they could have at least shown Naruto getting his title and finding a way to introduce the Naruto/Hinata pairing that way.

 

They completely destroyed Naruto and everything he stood for, and I want to bash my head against the wall every time I see a Hinata fan saying 'this was a great movie!'

Edited by Raiya, 05 July 2015 - 03:25 AM.

[RedFaction]

I really enjoyed reading your rant. You're spot on everything.

 

One thing I'd like to add one thing about Naruto's rivalry being the reason he "loved" Sakura. If that were the case you'd think he would have accepted Sakura's confession to him during the LOI arc because that was his chance to win her over and thus defeat Sasuke. That would have obviously still been incredibly selfish, but that's what Naruto would have done if his love for her was really all about his rivalry with Sasuke.

 

It really goes to show the people who wrote that scene never read the manga or watched the anime and were just pulling stuff out of their ass.

Edited by RedFaction, 05 July 2015 - 02:32 AM.

[Nostradamus]

This was exceptionally well written and honestly, I believe you 100%.  I see the reviews to The Last online and my only reaction is, "How can you be satisfied by this in any way as a Naruto fan?"

 

Pairing wars aside I felt like I could honestly relate to Naruto - I was a sad loner growing up myself and for the entirety of the manga I was pulling for Naruto to succeed at all his goals.   The end could not be considered the end, when we look at Naruto's goals: to be respected, to have friends/family, to have Sakura acknowledge his love, to be hokage.  What out of any of this is resolved?  He earned everyones respect after defeating Pain, including Sakura's, but it is all destroyed by the crappy father/husband/drunkard he became.  His great love for sakura was played off as rivalry, even with all the proof in the manga showing otherwise, his 'family' is nowhere to be found - Iruka is MIA, Sasuke left right after 'returning', Sakura is busy playing housewife to a man she hasn't seen in 12 years...

 

and the biggest 'eff you' to the Naruto fandom is the fact that we never get to see Naruto achieve his #1 goal.  We don't even get to see him become hokage, his crowning achievement, his moment of glory and the realization of all his hopes and dreams.  Instead we get to watch Naruto and Hinata be forced together through some contrived and horrendous writing.  Instead of making a kitten movie revolving around a side character they could have at least shown Naruto getting his title and finding a way to introduce the Naruto/Hinata pairing that way.

 

They completely destroyed Naruto and everything he stood for, and I want to bash my head against the wall every time I see a Hinata fan saying 'this was a great movie!'

Don't worry we're going to see him becoming Hokage. Naruto's inauguration as the Hokage is given as a bonus to the people that go watch the Boruto movie. That's really what these idiots are doing, they're using that as bait to make people buy tickets to the movie.

That has to be one of the most disgusting things I have ever seen anyone do. Something that should've been in original story at the end, is used as bait for the movie. Unbelievable.

If I'm not mistaken it's a small chapter that apparently is drawn by Kishi himself.

 

I really enjoyed reading your rant. You're spot on everything.

 

One thing I'd like to add one thing about Naruto's rivalry being the reason he "loved" Sakura. If that were the case you'd think he would have accepted Sakura's confession to him during the LOI arc because that was his chance to win her over and thus defeat Sasuke. That would have obviously still been incredibly selfish, but that's what Naruto would have done if his love for her was really all about his rivalry with Sasuke.

 

It really goes to show the people who wrote that scene never read the manga or watched the anime and were just pulling stuff out of their ass.

Yes you're right. If that was really the case Naruto would've accepted Sakura's confession.

I'm sure the people behind The Last had limited information but they had one clear goal. To make Hinata the better option.

To make us believe that if Naruto would pick Sakura; he's an idiot. Clearly the only one that can give him the love that he deserves is Hinata.

Thing is they completely destroyed everything in the process.

 

Not sure if that interview with the director of the movie is true or not but he said "It doesn't matter what we show, only that it's animated well." apparently he said something like that (the interview was posted back in December). And if that interview is to be believed you can see what kind of people were working on the movie.

Edited by Nostradamus, 05 July 2015 - 10:57 PM.

[Raiya]

Don't worry we're going to see him becoming Hokage. Naruto's inauguration as the Hokage is given as a bonus to the people that go watch the Boruto movie. That's really what these idiots are doing, they're using that as bait to make people buy tickets to the movie.

That has to be one of the most disgusting things I have ever seen anyone do. Something that should've been in original story at the end, is used as bait for the movie. Unbelievable.

If I'm not mistaken it's a small chapter that apparently is drawn by Kishi himself.

 

That is the epitome of stupidity.  Not that I had any faith in kishi or Naruto at this point anyway, it's still sickening they have to use that to lure people in.  There is no way in hell I'd support anything they do at this point.

[Nostradamus]

 

That is the epitome of stupidity.  Not that I had any faith in kishi or Naruto at this point anyway, it's still sickening they have to use that to lure people in.  There is no way in hell I'd support anything they do at this point.

I'm really curious to see if the Japanese fanbase of "Naruto" is really that fanatic about it, to just accept this treatment.

And we're going to see that in the sales numbers.

[ichigo500]

Thanks for this rant (even though I haven't finished reading it yet ! ) 

What you said is 10000000% true ! 

I just wanted to tell you something about what you said at the beginning, when you mentioned the fact you weren't an NS fan (I have no problem with this no worries haha ) I just wanted to point out that, we (maybe not all of us, but the majority), as NS fans, loved them for the reasons you mentioned, for their relationship, and not only because they looked cute together, yes of course they do, but it's not the main reason we ship them. Well, I'm sure you already know that, since you're probably on this forum for years, but just wanted to say it. 

Anyway, I'm always glad to read a non-shipper's opinion, it makes me feel even more...confident about what I was thinking, that once again, we weren't blinded by all our "shipness"  

I personally don't even considere what happened after chapter 699 as canon, even though IT IS. It happened, and we can't deny it. But, we all know that everything in that ending contradicts what happened before, and was so badly written that it cannot be accepted as a true ending.