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#81 Qia

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Posted 15 August 2017 - 04:43 AM

"It does, but it also still represents distance in a way, yes."

 

You...haven't shown why it represents a romantic gesture? Just because Kishi meant it to be isn't enough of a justification...if that is your justification. Because up until that moment it represented distance. And there was nothing to show in any previous scene that the meaning had changed so....

 

Sorry, I should have stated this as well. Not only does it represent distance, but specifically it represents "I'm sorry, perhaps next time". It's an apology, in a way. But...this still doesn't show how it can suddenly be used as a romantic gesture, especially since Sakura wouldn't get the significance behind it and its link to Sasuke's brother. 


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Posted 15 August 2017 - 01:32 PM

 

It is a gesture of love, as shown in previous interactions, but it is also a gesture of distance. It means both of these things. The translation of Sasuke's answer in the scene of 693 to Sakura's question, which is a romantic proposition, is, "Not now, but when I return". 

 

...Also "Just because Kishi meant it to be isn't enough of a justification?" He shows it and means it. If we are ignoring the author and the manga, you're more or less taking away evidence. 

I'll answer your first part once I get some sleep because I'm exhausted. However, about your second part, it's ok to respect the author's intentions in a story but if I'm analyzing it's best to take it from my own perspective while reading it. That is really the only way you can properly analyze a piece of literature and determine if the author was successful with showing his intentions in the first place. So while I'm NOT ignoring his intentions and do respect them, that doesn't mean I should use his words as evidence for anything at all. The only thing I'm required to do is take in what I have read in a piece of literature and compare it to those intentions. 


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Posted 15 August 2017 - 08:10 PM

 

Except that's problematic, because Naruto and Sasuke is explicitly  defined as brotherly. At least NS was considered, SNS has nothing. SS does have foundations and moments, a lot of things informed, mind, but its ending makes sense. 

 

So no, doesn't work. 

 

And Sakura is defined as someone he is explicitly not interested in. Unlike Naruto, he has no bond to severe with Sakura. So why are you in favor of him suddenly becoming romantically interested in someone he has zero interest in as opposed to someone he at least has an established bond with?


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Posted 15 August 2017 - 10:15 PM

 

Because the reasons for him doing so are removed.

 

Furher, 693 is Sasuke not understanding why Sakura would love her, and thus his responses. He also doesn't understand why Naruto keeps getting hi sway. The entire final chapters and 698 are about him finally understanding.

 

If you missed this, you're going to have a big question mark, and that's understandable. There is a valid argument for the execution of Sakura and Sasuke's bond, Naruto and Sakura's bond, and even Naruto and Sasuke's bond of having flawed execution, but its informed, and the foundation is there. 

 

Removed from what? He couldn't see the light until chapter 698, right? Who is to say this light can't involve him falling in love with someone he actually has a bond with already? You keep giving vague and unspecfic answers that lead me to suspect that even you yourself know SasuSaku was terribly executed.

 

The entire final chapters have absolutely nothing to do with Sakura, much less any notion of suppressed love or feelings for her. At no point does she get mentioned or referred to in Naruto's conversation. Something Naruto would be quick to refer to were it a point of contention ( as we see when he calls out Zabuza on his BS about Haku merely being a tool to him). And once more, it's not just Sasuke who doesn't understand why Sakura would love him. It's Kakashi as well, who tries to pass this off as a good thing with his love doesn't need a reason. Or are we to believe Kakashi undergoes similar understanding after chapter 698? You keep making justifications that just aren't reflected what actually gets said in the chapter and the reason for this is pretty straightforward: There is no rhyme or reason to SS. It happens just cuz


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Posted 16 August 2017 - 12:40 AM

 

SS has a foundation, and it is shown. Just listed an example in the Forest in the Chuunin Exams, you have the post moment in the exams, and a few touches during the War Arc. I also want to add that you don't see Sasuke fall in love with Sakura in the manga. His entire thing is basically starting the relationship at 699. It's not an I love you, which is what you are mis-understanding. 

 

It's not just because. It was quite informed it was going to go that way. 

 

I may go and give this a deeper elaboration at some point. 

 

Wait and I just want to be clear: Are you saying Sasuke, as of 699, does not love Sakura? Maybe I'm not reading things correctly, but that's what it looks like you're saying. 


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Posted 16 August 2017 - 01:05 AM

 

Not in a full on sense, no, at this not at that time. By the time we get to Gaiden though, and certainly events before that, yes. 

 

What do you mean by not in a full on sense? It seems like a simple issue: Does 699 Sasuke love Sakura or not? You seemed to suggest he doesn't in your previous post and I'm just seeking clarification before I continue.


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