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[TouKen4Life3g]

I'm not going to enter on an arguing he did said "NS needs to take a bullet in the head" i dont get if he didnt judge the pairing which he did on the last phrase he started with "NS needs to take a bullet on the head, then followed by "a cult of people in denial" it's the same as you when you said that i didnt experienced love on my life just because i dont agree with you.

the same way he judged the NS fans just because they ship it saying they need to take a bullet on the head and therefore saying they are people in denial, you judged me saying that i never experienced love on my life just because i didnt agree with that statement that had a falacious logic.

I think the guy got banned. Let's move on.

[Sakamaki Izayoi]

I think the guy got banned. Let's move on.

Well let's move on but the thread got derailed so heavy that i think needs to be closed.
We are not even talking about the 64 for more than 13 pages already.

[TouKen4Life3g]

Well let's move on but the thread got derailed so heavy that i think needs to be closed.
We are not even talking about the 64 for more than 13 pages already.

That's true. All these stuff I said is more of a debate thread.

[Nate River]

I think... I think he meant the pairing not the people who pair them.
Person aggressively stated it, but you are taking what the person said out of context. a+b doesn't always equal c.

How is a "cult of denial" anything but a dig at the fandom?

The first thing out of his mouth is a bunch of insults, so it's real hard to give him the benefit of the doubt on this. It smells like troll. If he can prove otherwise, that great. Otherwise, his stay is going to be a short one.

He isn't judging the fans for preference of the pairing of choice. The person from what I read is describing the overall behavior of the fans. And how they choose to act and ship the pairing.
Ideal it would have been better if he wasn't so rude about it, but did not judge for preference of pairing.

Whether he is judging people's preference is immaterial. He could despise their preference and I would not care. He is not in trouble because he does not accept or respect our pairing choice. He is in trouble because he chose to express his opinion of that like a complete jackass.

Our rules regarding insults and bashing aren't limited to those be specifically directed individual posters. Ripping fandoms (whoever it is), like he just got finished doing, falls under under them. Calling NH fans, generally, a bunch of idiots is against them. Calling SS fans a bunch of retards is against them. It does not matter that they are generalized insults. All of those are unacceptable. When we catch people doing that we sanction them and sometimes ban them. This is the same.

No matter which interpretation you use it reflects poorly on him.

When the first thing a person says upon making an account is slew of insults (especially when it comes right after something like this cover) we tend to think it's flamebait and that the only purpose for their presence here is to jerk people's chains. Again, he can show his intent is something else (and if he cares enough to do so), more power to him.

But given his entrance, it's on him to do so and given that we think he's a troll his time to do so is very limited.

[Moriarty]

I'm not going to enter on an arguing he did said "NS needs to take a bullet in the head" i dont get if he didnt judge the pairing which he did on the last phrase he started with "NS needs to take a bullet on the head, then followed by "a cult of people in denial" it's the same as you when you said that i didnt experienced love on my life just because i dont agree with you.

the same way he judged the NS fans just because they ship it saying they need to take a bullet on the head and therefore saying they are people in denial, you judged me saying that i never experienced love on my life just because i didnt agree with that statement that had a falacious logic.

Lol, no, that's a bunch of bullcr*p. It's sweet and romantic, but forever doesn't exist. Especially for people who will never feel it or have ever experienced it. You seem to be listing more on grieving characters and lost love. Clearly Obitos love for Rin is healthy. Clearly Jiraiya's love is an unfulfilled one. More regret than anything else. I think you should take a sociology class and reevaluate your definition of love. Just because you love someone doesn't mean much really. As I said, it's not about moving on. Things happen, feelings fade. And that is normal. If they don't someone is just in a loop of insanity and denial also obsession.

He didn't judge people for pairing them.


Is this what you are referring to?(quote above)I do not think it means what you think it means. Hey, I had to reevaluate my definition of love, it is a friendly suggestion. It's one of my favorite topics, and I know a lot of people have big misconception of what love is. In no way was I questioning your ability to love or that you have ever loved. I'm not pulling any of this from my a**.

How is a "cult of denial" anything but a dig at the fandom?

The first thing out of his mouth is a bunch of insults, so it's real hard to give him the benefit of the doubt on this. It smells like troll. If he can prove otherwise, that great. Otherwise, his stay is going to be a short one.

Insults, no insults, he did NOT judge others based on preferences of pairing.

[rocci]

I do smell a Tobi as well. It's only matter of time.

About your last statement, I think the question to that part is "If the romance is important, are we seeing it now or has it not been engaged?" It's kind of like when he said he will try to add romance in part 2, it made me think what did I just saw then, especially if SS supposedly to be romantic, which seems to be more of a development of Sakura and Team 7 in general. So basically what I'm trying to say is that the romance importance is on now, or when Team 7 focus happens again? That remains to be answered.

what i mean about sudden romance is this war and obito reason especially his falshback. nh fanservice moment all of sudden? the disappearance of haruhi sakura? naruto suddenly flash by Agent J forgot that he has special feeling for sakura?

and naruto ask his parent love life, than kushina last advice about girl who kishi naruto (intentionally) skip it.
how unsual.....

@darkrest
don't feed the obvious troll

[Mistraal]

I'm just irritated at the utter lack of Sakura to the point where he's almost denying her existence. THAT will be the reason I drop the series, not some NH crap.

[TouKen4Life3g]

what i mean about sudden romance is this war and obito reason especially his falshback. nh fanservice moment all of sudden? the disappearance of haruhi sakura? naruto suddenly flash by Agent J forgot that he has special feeling for sakura?

and naruto ask his parent love life, than kushina last advice about girl who kishi naruto (intentionally) skip it.
how unsual.....

@darkrest
don't feed the obvious troll

I know what you mean, but we are closing deals with other characters. That said it's undetermined if the last volume was really love or just something we are overlooking. Yes, there was a moment, but is there a follow-up to it? That remain to be seen. Also, 616 was the best chance to change it completely, but it didn't. That said are we misguided or are we right?

[Sakamaki Izayoi]

He didn't judge people for pairing them.


Is this what you are referring to?(quote above)I do not think it means what you think it means. Hey, I had to reevaluate my definition of love, it is a friendly suggestion. It's one of my favorite topics, and I know a lot of people have big misconception of what love is. In no way was I questioning your ability to love or that you have ever loved. I'm not pulling any of this from my a**.

Lol, no, that's a bunch of bullcr*p. It's sweet and romantic, but forever doesn't exist. Especially for people who will never feel it or have ever experienced it. You seem to be listing more on grieving characters and lost love. Clearly Obitos love for Rin is healthy. Clearly Jiraiya's love is an unfulfilled one. More regret than anything else. I think you should take a sociology class and reevaluate your definition of love. Just because you love someone doesn't mean much really. As I said, it's not about moving on. Things happen, feelings fade. And that is normal. If they don't someone is just in a loop of insanity and denial also obsession.

First you started saying that my post is a bunch of bullcrap which is already an insult and a bad way to start a post.

Second when you say "It's sweet and romantic, but forever doesn't exist" Jirayia, Obito, and lot of other characters had "forever" loves, i'm not using the real world logic to apply on the manga because it simply does not apply.
Then you came with "Clearly Obito's love for Rin is healthy" the you must choose, or NaruSaku is not a healthy love or you just went into a contradiction again.
And moreover the "grieving characters and lost love" i never see Jiraiya "my life makes no sense anymore because Tsunade does not love me" Jiraiya lived normally and his love for tsunade was always on his heart this is a pure and real love being demonstrated if you move on from a person then you really didnt loved her, also Obito suffered not because of love but his innability to protect the girl he loves which also mirrors to NaruSaku once again with Naruto failing wiht the Poal or even protecting her because he made the same vow.
I also never see Jiraiya regreting his love for Tsunade and even Obito regreting his love for Rin despite all the difficulties and obstacles.

Third you just claimed that you know more about stuff than me, and also insulted me saying that i was on loop of insanity and denial also obsession.
Which is why i make those questions.
If this is the claim that makes you think that NH will be canon why Hinata cant move on from Naruto?
Why does Ino still loves Sasuke insn't normal to move on from a guy that you barely talk and the last time you see him was 3 years ago?
Why Sakura hasn't moved on from Sasuke when he tried to kill her two times and made her suffer a lot and also Naruto?
WHy the hell does Naruto is the only one that has to move on based on your logic?
Why he has to move on when his relationship goes the opposite direction of SasuSaku and NaruHina, when she displayed moments of affection towards him?
And again why once again Naruto is the only one that has to move on when on 625 chapters i never see one that showing him doubt about his feelings for Sakura despite all the difficulties and obstacles?

Insults, no insults, he did NOT judge others based on preferences of pairing.

He judged others.

Edited by Dαrkrєrsŧ, 28 March 2013 - 12:39 AM.

[Gravenimage]

Um...Guys why are we still discussing about this topic???

IT'S JUST A F****** COVER! For crying out loud! We already know that hand holding scene WASN'T romantic it was Hinata development thanks to Neji's sacrifice. If NH fans wants to see that as a sign that their pairing is canon then LET THEM think that way, to think one chapter is enough to make a pairing canon when the mangaka has been developing another pairing for over 400 chapters for over 10 years its a twisted logic honestly. They're still denying the huge trolling move Kishi did with 616 after lifting their hopes up with that hand holding panel. People ask yourself how many times has Kishi troll NH fans??? I already answered that question long ago (check the debate thread). SS is going the same trolling path too he's going to continue trolling fans from both fandoms until the last chapter when he gives them the big" NS surprise" it won't be a surprise to us because we already know it's going to be NS the interactions doesn't lie, the development done throughout the entire manga doesn't lie, the FREAKING parallels doesn't lie (If Kishi wasn't married he will definitely marry his own manga parallels lol). Just please stop discussing/arguing about one stupid cover, what about the covers or posters that Sakura has been with Naruto??? Everyone calm down and enough with this topic I just can't believe the mods hasn't close this thread yet.

[Moriarty]

First you started saying that my post is a bunch of bullcrap which is already an insult and a bad way to start a post.

Second when you say "It's sweet and romantic, but forever doesn't exist" Jirayia, Obito, and lot of other characters had "forever" loves, i'm not using the real world logic to apply on the manga because it simply does not apply.
Then you came with "Clearly Obito's love for Rin is healthy" the you must choose, or NaruSaku is not a healthy love or you just went into a contradiction again.
And moreover the "grieving characters and lost love" i never see Jiraiya "my life makes no sense anymore because Tsunade does not love me" Jiraiya lived normally and his love for tsunade was always on his heart this is a pure and real love being demonstrated if you move on from a person then you really didnt loved her, also Obito suffered not because of love but his innability to protect the girl he loves which also mirrors to NaruSaku once again with Naruto failing wiht the Poal or even protecting her because he made the same vow.
I also never see Jiraiya regreting his love for Tsunade and even Obito regreting his love for Rin despite all the difficulties and obstacles.

Third you just claimed that you know more about stuff than me, and also insulted me saying that i was on loop of insanity and denial also obsession.
Which is way i make thsi question.
If this is the claim that makes you think that NH will be canon why Hinata cant move on from Naruto?
Why does Ino still loves Sasuke insn't normal to move on from a guy that you barely talk and the last time you see him was 3 years ago?
Why Sakura hasn't moved on from Sasuke when he tried to kill her two times and made her suffer a lot and also Naruto?
WHy the hell does Naruto is the only one that has to move on based on your logic?
Why he has to move on when his relationship goes the opposite direction of SasuSaku and NaruHina, when she displayed moments of affection towards him?
And again why once again Naruto is the only one that has to move on when on 625 chapters i never see one that made him doubt about his feelings for Sakura despite all the difficulties and obstacles?



He judged others.

Please bring this issue to my i-blog, already way off topic for too long.

http://www.narusaku....showtopic=12815

[Nate River]

He didn't judge people for pairing them.


Is this what you are referring to?(quote above)I do not think it means what you think it means. Hey, I had to reevaluate my definition of love, it is a friendly suggestion. It's one of my favorite topics, and I know a lot of people have big misconception of what love is. In no way was I questioning your ability to love or that you have ever loved. I'm not pulling any of this from my a**.



Insults, no insults, he did NOT judge others based on preferences of pairing.

And?

The insults are the problem.

I do NOT care if he thinks less of any of us because our pairing choice. I CARE that he chose to express his opinion (whatever it was ) like a jerk.


Tricksie's warning was that is this thread stayed again it would be closed.

It has and so it's done.