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[Tiller]

I only know one other person in real life who kept up with Naruto. Today when we were talking somehow Naruto came up, and I started talking about how stupid the ending was. She then claimed that one aspect of the "Everlasting Prince Brother reincarnation" thing was that Sasuke was supposedly the reincarnation of Madara.....

 

Well.... how the hell is the even possible since Madara never died? The man kept himself alive for decades using impure ninja techniques..... so how the hell did his soul pass on and get brought back in order to become Sasuke in the first place if he never died?

 

And if his soul somehow stayed on the Earth... well again how the hell was he reincarnated?

 

Or are me and my friend simply misremembering things? I'm not interested in rereading the manga again, so I figured I'd put it out there to you guys and gals.

Edited by Tiller, 03 October 2015 - 09:17 PM.

[TouKen4Life3g]

I don't know. I rather save my brain than frying it.

[Tiller]

I don't know. I rather save my brain than frying it.

I know the feeling. lol I'm putting this out there simply because it's so odd. I don't blame you for not wanting to investigate though.

[Shadow1275]

It's a cycle of power vs. love. Madara wanted to become hokage to force people to respect the Uchiha and he didn't care whether they wanted him too or not. Hashirama followed the will of the people, even though he wanted Madara to become hokage. 

 

Sasuke wanted to essentially force people to fall in line in order to end the cycle of hatred. Naruto wanted to use TNJ and the power of "love." It's stupid but it makes sense.

[Tiller]

I understand that they follow the same ideas, and their are parallels to highlight. But I was told it's outright stated the Sasuke is the reincarnation of Madara.... but Madara never died so how the hell is that possible?

[rocci]

He died one year before sasuke born.

[TouKen4Life3g]

He died one year before sasuke born.

I always like Avatar way of reincarnation. It made much sense than just lucky guess.

[Nate River]

Madara did die. He came on to the battle field via Edo Tensei, meaning he had to have died at some point. He came alive again when the author decided to make stuff up that made no sense. However, if Kishimoto's idea of reincarnation is the same as it is commonly understood then Sasuke cannot be his reincarnation as there would have been no spirit to place into Edo Tensei body.

[SlyNinjaKnight]

I think that Sasuke is considered Madara's reincarnation only because both Sasuke and Madara are the reincarnation of Indra. Madara truly died sometime after saving Obito, I think it was right after Rin was killed by Kakashi, before being revived via the Edo Tensei during the Fourth War. 

[TouKen4Life3g]

It really doesn't make sense. Reincarnation was something not planned at all and not thoughtful at all.

[Liu bie]

Tiller I send a MP please read it 

Edited by Liu bie, 04 October 2015 - 03:43 AM.

[Tiller]

Madara did die. He came on to the battle field via Edo Tensei, meaning he had to have died at some point. He came alive again when the author decided to make stuff up that made no sense. However, if Kishimoto's idea of reincarnation is the same as it is commonly understood then Sasuke cannot be his reincarnation as there would have been no spirit to place into Edo Tensei body.

 

I think that Sasuke is considered Madara's reincarnation only because both Sasuke and Madara are the reincarnation of Indra. Madara truly died sometime after saving Obito, I think it was right after Rin was killed by Kakashi, before being revived via the Edo Tensei during the Fourth War. 

 

I broke down and decided to look some stuff up. Although I didn't look back at the manga I decided to check out the Naruto wiki so take this info for what it is worth.


It seems that Madara did die at the Valley of the End. But before the battle he set up a seal that would bring him back to life by sacrificing the vision in his right eye. (I don't how the kitten that works but ok fine. He died but didn't die cause of magic.). He then took a mouthful (? I guess he bite him?!?!) of Hashirama's flesh that he used to heal his wounds. This later caused the activation of the Rinnegan, which allowed him to summon the Demonic Statue which he used to create the White Zetsu Army. Oh and it grew his missing eye back... so... you know he didn't lose anything really.


Madara then came up with the Moon idea, and choose Nagato to be the person who would carry it out, so he transplanted the Rinnegan into Nagato without Nagato knowing about it. He did this so Nagato would one day bring him back to life.... (?) I guess. In order for Nagato to do this though he needed an agent to do this because he was dying of old age. He found Obito.


He then manipulated things so Rin would have the Three Tail's sealed into her, and also so that Kakashi would kill her well Obitio witnessed it. Therefor making sure Obitio would hate the world and go along with his plan. Madara then created Black Zetsu as a manifestation of his will.... (I guess this was retconned later?) And then he chose to die by disconnecting himself from the Demon Statue, and gave Obito his name.


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That's the stupidest kitten I've forced myself to read in awhile. I don't remember half of that, but reading it out like that I can see why. That setup is kitten insane for a story's background..... So just wait.... Even this has been retconned because in the end it was Kaguya who created Black Zetsu who put everything in motion including most of the wars that happened between the nations so that Kaguya would come back to life......


Which means every war was just an excuse to bring back Kaguya... not one was about human weakness but instead a god's manipulation.... and even Madara was manipulated into evil... who then manipulated Obitio and Sasuke and basically everyone else.... and....

[Strangelove]

Here is the thing...then why didn't Sasuke died when Madara was resurrected.

 

Shouldn't his soul be liked...ripped from him or something?

Edited by Strangelove, 04 October 2015 - 02:24 PM.

[James S Cassidy]

You're trying to figure out reincarnation in Kishimoto's universe when he can't even get simple genetics straight? (A jutsu that is supposed to be genetically passed down...isn't, but a jutsu that is not genetically specific...is. Go figure.) Good luck with that.

"Hard to finish the race when people keep moving the finish line."
-Old modern proverb.

Edited by James S Cassidy, 04 October 2015 - 03:18 PM.

[HalfDemonInuyasha]

IIRC, it wasn't Madara's soul that was reincarnated, but simply Indra's chakra that got reincarnated into Sasuke when he was born, after Madara's initial death (being the one to previously have it, hence Black Zetsu approaching him as he had done with each previous one to inherit it).

[Nar123]

Don't try to make sense of what's broken

[rocci]

It really doesn't make sense. Reincarnation was something not planned at all and not thoughtful at all.

It's his way to canonize the parallel.

Sasuke is madara "reincarnation" just like naruto is hashirama "reincarnation".

[HalfDemonInuyasha]

I can just see it...one of SP's later attempts will involve actual time travel in order to force things to look good and "completely" canonize them (like Naruto magically knowing the Kage Bunshin before graduating the academy and Hinata being his "first and only friend" and crap like that) while ignoring just how far-reaching the ripple effects would be as a result.