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[Weltall]

I simply cannot contend with the fact that you can rip a person in two and have them back out there fighting not 20 minutes later because they tookma bite of yummy Karin goodness. That is serious asspull territory and makes Karin arguably the most efficient medical nin in the world. Kakashi was under Tsunade's personal medical care and was still out of commission for days if not weeks even though he sustained lesser injuries. If Tsunade is back out there fighting 20 minutes later after having been ripped in two because of Karin I'm calling asspull. I'm sorry, that's just pure BS.
That aside, we'll just have to agree to disagree. You seem to feel like Sakura has done enough to warrant the big mouth Kishi gave her and I really don't feel she has. If she remains on the sidelines now it would be embarrassing. She stood up and popped off at the mouth about how she's going to fight along her Team and how she's going to compete with them. And now she's sitting. You say her moment "doesn't have to be long." I don't even feel it was achieved. If Kishi left her on the sidelines now, in my mind, it would confirm her as an afterthought on his conclusion list for the series.

From what I understood Karin only did help to heal and replenish Tsunade's chakra, it's Tsunade herself who did most of the healing. Still an asspull tough.

Edit : agree with most of Atheck's points and since he's much more eloquent than me I will let him handle that.

Edited by Weltall, 07 August 2013 - 04:04 AM.

[Hiraishin]

@mydearbeloved
Hashirama and madara level is demigod
EMS madara and rinnegan obito level is thou who close to god
Juubito is a GOD.
 
BM Naruto and PS sasuke level is demigod.
 
Yes I agree that sakura master byakugo no in, but not uzumaki fuin jutsu.

 
What about Rikudo Sennin?
 

Yes it is fuinjutsu. Mito and tsunade also mastered fuinjutsu due to their seals. It was mentioned in the manga but I cant remember where ecaxtly. Seals were originated from the uzumaki clan just as kushina explained. Sakura and minato have mastered fuinjustu.

Your statements are contradictory, you say sakura and minato mastered the seals but its not fuinjutsu when fuinjutsu is an uzumaki/senju technique consisting of seals as well.

About sasukes smile. Its not that bad. It is a smirk.

I know it's fuuinjutsu. What do you mean, "Mito and Tsunade also mastered fuuinjutsu due to their seals"? We don't even know if the mark on Mito's forehead really was a seal. Maybe it was there purely for aesthetic reasons. 
 
Kushina didn't say that seals originated from the Uzumaki clan. She said that the Uzumaki clan specialised in fuuinjutsu (sealing techniques). Big difference. Sakura only knows one sealing technique (that we've been shown, at least). That certainly doesn't entail that she mastered fuuinjutsu (unless you mean just one, then I misinterpreted you). We don't even know if she "mastered" the Byakugou no In (although I suppose she has, considering she's spent three years gathering chakra to her forehead).
 

Haha, I'm going to defend Obito's thoughts of Rin. When Obito "died", his last (heart breaking  ) thought was that he was never able to confess to Rin that he loved her. When he finally gained the power to come back to protect her, she was dead. That would twist anybody. I guess I've always viewed the Obito/Rin stuff to be really tragic, so I'm sympathetic to that part. She is his most important person in the world.

Agreed. I honestly don't think Kishi intends for Obito's thoughts of Rin to be annoying or weird or anything like that; he probably wanted them to make him sympathetic, and boy, it has worked on me.
 

There is one thing I have to defend though and that is when people call him a pedobear. Because his thoughts were never sexual.

Very true. I've never seen people accusing him of this myself (cause I'm not that involved in the Naruto fandom other than the NaruSaku portion ), but I've seen people say that he's been called stuff like that. And you're right, he had no sexual thoughts about her.
 

I wish i could understand why Killer Bee is not fighting alongside Naruto does he has been nerfed?
Kishi plz tell me wish patch you nerfed Killer Bee

This. Killer Bee is a very important, vital part of this war, and is the reason (along with Naruto) it was started in the first place. He could help so much, but noo. If he's injured, shouldn't Gyuuki be able to heal him? Or no? And if not, there's plenty of healers in the midst, including Sakura.

 

 

Wait a sec.

Didnt the byakugan can only see a blurry white image of ppl but is unable to see facial expression and stuff.

How could she saw they smiling?

Oh god manga logic.

LOL. Oh man... Kishi needs to be a little more consistent haha.

Edited by mydearbeloved, 07 August 2013 - 05:07 AM.

[Chatte]

Any spoilers?

[Atheck]

From what I understand, the longer a chapter or its spoilers requires before it's finally released, the greater Sakura's involvement may be in this chapter. Of course, this measuring concept is not without its flaws but everyone here can recall how long chapters #631, 632, and 634 took before they were released. 

[Verilance]

 

NEW Girls of Jump poster this issue it being summer and all

 

the boys have to settle for the cover

 

Edited by Verilance, 07 August 2013 - 07:24 AM.

[Superman333]

I had no intention of condensing anything. Your responce was only a few sentences in length which is the reason for my post being shortened as well.
 

Several times now I have restated the emotional and relational implications that Tsunade's participation would hold. I don't believe that it needs to be argued yet again. I believe continuing to do so would classify as a proof by assertion fallacy.

Tsunade and the Kages are the leaders of the Alliance and their respective villages. They each hold the capabilities to manage themselves in combat unlike the common soldier. Raikage's mobility is on par with Naruto's and his strength would enable him to generate some effective impact against either Madara or Tobi (with the assistance of the other Kages provided).

The Hokage has her Byakugou jutsu to withstand any damage that may be inflicted, but I can't make an argument for how she would be able to contend with Perfect Susanoo.

Mei... Doesn't have the arsenal to fend off Susanoo. She was the first of the Kages to relent and collapse the moment she was forced to do battle on her own. Madara has already proven that he is almost completely invulnerable to Yoton. Her Suiton is the equal to his Katon but how often does he utilise nature transformation now? Futton's effectiveness is questionable at best since the vapour would dissipate in an outside environment. Mei would likely refrain from creating it regardless as it would be detrimental to her teammates as well.

It goes without saying that Gaara and Onoki can manage themselves. It's a concerted effort amongst the Kages and unlike the previous battle they would have the knowledge of what Madara's repertoire consists of. Not only that, they should have Hashirama to assist them. Victory this time is not unfeasible for them. The imagery and symbolism will be tarnished somewhat but what previously established concept has Kishi not retracted on by this time?
 

What explanation is there for this refrainment then? We have all seen what Tobi is capable of. Her skills would be insufficient to create any meaningful difference by herself against him. There are, in fact, a select few characters from the group who would arguably provide a greater contribution than her (Killer Bee and arguably Mifune with his Iado kenjutsu).

Having a more geographically devastating punch doesn't make you the equal of demigods. Not without the statistical enhancements to ensure that you will indeed land your attack and/or ninjutsu that can provide you with an approach to do battle at long range should hand-to-hand combat prove unfeasible.

Sakura is more powerful than much the Alliance group, but that isn't significant practically or from a storytelling perspective. If it were then Killer Bee would have already been sent out to assist. For reasons that are his own, Kishi is choosing to relegate these shinobi so they can monitor Naruto and Sasuke's progress and then follow up with their own offensive.
 

You're forgetting that the entire medical division had converged on Naruto's position back during chapter #611, not just Shizune. There should be dozens of medical personnel available to assist. And if you really think about it, Samehada could theoretically heal them as well, provided it has the chakra reservoir to do so.

So no, Sakura is not the only medical operative with the ability to assist these shinobi. Katsuyu does provide greater accessibility to them should they require restorative ninjutsu though.
 

Tsunade just received a chakra replenishment from an Uzumaki and her seal had already materialised prior to her revivalisation. On the other hand, Sakura has expended chakra continually healing Naruto's injuries, implementing her chakra enhanced strength for a single attack, summoning Katsuyu, and healing the Alliance shinobi.

Regardless of her precision, chakra is expended when performing a jutsu. The exact quantity is unknown, but suggesting that Sakura is in "better condition" is nothing but fanciful speculation.
 

This is one area that you and I agree on it seems. It will require more than regeneration to prove her superiority IMO. The one expedient that would truly convince everyone that Sakura has surpassed Tsunade would be if she entered into Sage Mode. But what probability does that have? I provided my thoughts on the matter some time back about the reasoning for Hashirama acting in the role of a successful senjutsu user for a particular school of Sage Mode.
 

No allusions have been made to suggest that she has any other unspecified techniques or abilities that we haven't already seen. Except perhaps for Byakugou jutsu, but can that truly be argued as unexpected or new? We're already aware of its applications. Sakura simply becomes more difficult to kill. But an elemental fighting style that was likened to Onoki's disintegrative Jinton is like acid to regenerative experts.
 

How did you arrive to this conclusion? We're aware that Tsunade has other abilities beside restoration jutsu, summoning and enhanced strength. It would be hypocritical to decry this possibility for Sakura though. But the basis of my argument is centred around the fact that the original Sannin all possessed larger arsenals of nin, gen, and taijutsu.

It wouldn't be prudent to decree that Sakura has no other jutsu that we're unaware of. However, given the track record of other Sannin's technique quantity when compared to their apprentices, I maintain the belief that Tsunade has additional jutsu of her own which have not been featured in the manga.

You're forgetting that Tsunade was in the process of using some unspecified jutsu or ability just moments before Madara was about to strike with his Perfect Susanoo. What could this have been? A simple hand gesture to better accumulate chakra for enhancing her strength even further? Sage Mode? Or was it something else?
 

Taking into consideration the fact that she spent a large duration of the battle healing and was forced to maintain an active defence throughout the rest, would it be logical for her to attempt any time consuming jutsu? Tsunade didn't use Ranshinsho neither was Katsuyu summoned on-screen. It's entirely possible that she was restricted to her chakra enhanced taijutsu as it doesn't necessitate any costly handseal gestures.

what the hell bra .? you go to Harvard or something .? God damn .