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[TouKen4Life3g]

But, they can still produce something right?
Doesn't matter if it doesn't make much money when it used to be.

I suppose so. But I do think it will fail in the long run.

[ultranx]

Shounens don't end until they stop selling. Sailor Moon ended, the anime prolonged the manga but it also ended. We got a crapload of merchandise, and now we have a reboot almost 20 years later. 

 

Now how many people do you hear saying they hate Sailor Moon and it's franchise? Compare that to how many people say they hate DBZ or Naruto. 

 

That's the thing. SJ just doesn't know when to stop. They end up destroying the series just for the sake of forced mass appeal. They need to change their gameplan.

dragon ball is unique though, you can't compare it like those because it was supposed to end multiple times and those end points are written so well, that even if dragon ball super and beyond was bad, you can fall back on the original dbz or dragon ball and pretended the continuations never happened, so it will never be truly milked to the point its ruined, can't say the same for naruto, sailor moon, and others though.

 

heck it applies even more so with the dragon ball super and gt stuff because gt was fanmade, and super/the movies all just take place during that timeskip at the end of the series and fill in the blanks, but we don't necessarily ever needed that filled did we? akira's continuing it because he and the fans want to continue it. if it does get bad, it won't ruin the original series at all.

Edited by ultranx, 14 August 2015 - 08:26 AM.

[TheFirstEvil100]

dragon ball is unique though, you can't compare it like those because it was supposed to end multiple times and those end points are written so well, that even if dragon ball super and beyond was bad, you can fall back on the original dbz or dragon ball and pretended the continuations never happened, so it will never be truly milked to the point its ruined, can't say the same for naruto, sailor moon, and others though.

 

heck it applies even more so with the dragon ball super and gt stuff because gt was fanmade, and super/the movies all just take place during that timeskip at the end of the series and fill in the blanks, but we don't necessarily ever needed that filled did we? akira's continuing it because he and the fans want to continue it. if it does get bad, it won't ruin the original series at all.

Not to mention he is getting very old now, plus I love Beerus he is just funny and kick ass too I mean what's funny is he made a god to beat all the Z fighters to show that there are people stronger than Goku and Vegeta.

 

But with Kishi he would make a god and have Naruto lose and then have Sasuke somehow win as he is an Uchiha.

[ultranx]

Not to mention he is getting very old now, plus I love Beerus he is just funny and kick ass too I mean what's funny is he made a god to beat all the Z fighters to show that there are people stronger than Goku and Vegeta.

 

But with Kishi he would make a god and have Naruto lose and then have Sasuke somehow win as he is an Uchiha.

yeah I love beerus too, he's not even really a villain, he only destroys to create life to keep balance in the universe and he's hilarious xD as for why super was bad, from what I heard it was the animation of episode 5 and the fact the fight between goku and beerus on king kai's planet seemed to drag on. I never had a problem though 0.o

Edited by ultranx, 14 August 2015 - 08:36 PM.

[TheFirstEvil100]

yeah I love beerus too, he's not even really a villain, he only destroys to create life to keep balance in the universe and he's hilarious xD as for why super was bad, from what I heard it was the animation of episode 5 and the fact the fight between goku and beerus on king kai's planet seemed to drag on. I never had a problem though 0.o

Lol yeah he is a good person and the fact Frieza is scared of him, from what I have heard in the new film that is I mean that is just good and funny and all he wanted was to eat some ice cream without any dust getting in it .

 

Yeah me still a lot more to go after all and it may just be a slip up we should just wait till super comes to an end and I will say this as well Videl and Gohan are very sweet heck look how Videl was to Goten and Trunks.

[ultranx]

Lol yeah he is a good person and the fact Frieza is scared of him, from what I have heard in the new film that is I mean that is just good and funny and all he wanted was to eat some ice cream without any dust getting in it .

 

Yeah me still a lot more to go after all and it may just be a slip up we should just wait till super comes to an end and I will say this as well Videl and Gohan are very sweet heck look how Videl was to Goten and Trunks.

ikr xD it was adorable

[TheFirstEvil100]

ikr xD it was adorable

Yeah it was just hate when people say that Videl is acting Like Hinata when she has far more bad ass and has a better child, as I don't count GT all that much, as I'm not a fan at all.

[rocci]

Yeah it was just hate when people say that Videl is acting Like Hinata when she has far more bad ass and has a better child, as I don't count GT all that much, as I'm not a fan at all.

Videl is not hinata.

[TheFirstEvil100]

Videl is not hinata.

Well tell that to them as as always Hinata is meant to be the best, and more girls need to be like her.

[Pix]

dragon ball is unique though, you can't compare it like those because it was supposed to end multiple times and those end points are written so well, that even if dragon ball super and beyond was bad, you can fall back on the original dbz or dragon ball and pretended the continuations never happened, so it will never be truly milked to the point its ruined, can't say the same for naruto, sailor moon, and others though.

 

heck it applies even more so with the dragon ball super and gt stuff because gt was fanmade, and super/the movies all just take place during that timeskip at the end of the series and fill in the blanks, but we don't necessarily ever needed that filled did we? akira's continuing it because he and the fans want to continue it. if it does get bad, it won't ruin the original series at all.

Can't the same thing be applied to Naruto then? 

 

No matter how crap all of these add ons and spin offs get, we can always go back to the original manga and completely forget about the fact that in the end, the entire story will go nowhere.

[Narufan85]

Can't the same thing be applied to Naruto then? 

 

No matter how crap all of these add ons and spin offs get, we can always go back to the original manga and completely forget about the fact that in the end, the entire story will go nowhere.

 

I think it's slightly harder for Naruto to justify iteration after iteration. DBZ never was really heavy about themes like "What is the purpose of these fighters" or "ending the cycle of hatred" the way Naruto is. When so much of Naruto was about carving out a new ninja way and ending hatred, forcing conflicts to create tension for the next gen will screw with the original storyline way more than Goku facing some new crazy strong entity.

[ultranx]

Can't the same thing be applied to Naruto then? 

 

No matter how crap all of these add ons and spin offs get, we can always go back to the original manga and completely forget about the fact that in the end, the entire story will go nowhere.

no you cannot say the same thing because naruto never actually had actual points where it was going to end, it was milked for all it was worth and even the so called ending wasn't really an ending.

 whereas dragon ball once was going to end at tournament piccolo fight, then it was going to end at frieza, then it was going to end at cell games, then it actually ended at buu until now and its only being continued because the author and fans wanted it to.

 

also dragon ball's several end points were written well enough to where you don't have to worry about unanswered questions and lack of closure, whereas all the endings you guys fall back on on naruto are all going to have some kind of unanswered questions and lack of closure,heck even part one ending like that would have unanswered questions since the majority of the story info of the akatsuki didn't happen til shippuden, their goals, plan, why they want the tailed beasts, everything, hence why you have the ovas and fanfiction, you need them to fill in the blanks to fix this, heck even the ending wasn't an ending.

 

quit insulting dragon ball and putting it on the same lvl as this crap dude....

Edited by ultranx, 19 August 2015 - 09:23 AM.

[Pix]

no you cannot say the same thing because naruto never actually had actual points where it was going to end, it was milked for all it was worth and even the so called ending wasn't really an ending.

 whereas dragon ball once was going to end at tournament piccolo fight, then it was going to end at frieza, then it was going to end at cell games, then it actually ended at buu until now and its only being continued because the author and fans wanted it to.

 

also dragon ball's several end points were written well enough to where you don't have to worry about unanswered questions and lack of closure, whereas all the endings you guys fall back on on naruto are all going to have some kind of unanswered questions and lack of closure,heck even part one ending like that would have unanswered questions since the majority of the story info of the akatsuki didn't happen til shippuden, their goals, plan, why they want the tailed beasts, everything, hence why you have the ovas and fanfiction, you need them to fill in the blanks to fix this, heck even the ending wasn't an ending.

 

quit insulting dragon ball and putting it on the same lvl as this crap dude....

I can insult it all I want because it's my opinion??? 

 

Your argument doesn't stand. You can literally read Naruto until the Pein arc and call it a masterpiece. Same can be said for comic books, same can be said for yes- DragonBall Z.  

 

And just because you think it's well written doesn't mean others do. I mean, literally Dragon Ball is still going. There is no end point.

[rocci]

I can insult it all I want because it's my opinion??? 
 
Your argument doesn't stand. You can literally read Naruto until the Pein arc and call it a masterpiece. Same can be said for comic books, same can be said for yes- DragonBall Z.  
 
And just because you think it's well written doesn't mean others do. I mean, literally Dragon Ball is still going. There is no end point.

The manga is already end, it doesn't mean the universe can't be expand.
Akira may decide to make sequel of the manga, but so far it only anime and it's canon.

[TouKen4Life3g]

The future is more fillers.

[rocci]

The future is more fillers.

It will end eventually.
But after that, we got burito.

[TheFirstEvil100]

no you cannot say the same thing because naruto never actually had actual points where it was going to end, it was milked for all it was worth and even the so called ending wasn't really an ending.

 whereas dragon ball once was going to end at tournament piccolo fight, then it was going to end at frieza, then it was going to end at cell games, then it actually ended at buu until now and its only being continued because the author and fans wanted it to.

 

also dragon ball's several end points were written well enough to where you don't have to worry about unanswered questions and lack of closure, whereas all the endings you guys fall back on on naruto are all going to have some kind of unanswered questions and lack of closure,heck even part one ending like that would have unanswered questions since the majority of the story info of the akatsuki didn't happen til shippuden, their goals, plan, why they want the tailed beasts, everything, hence why you have the ovas and fanfiction, you need them to fill in the blanks to fix this, heck even the ending wasn't an ending.

 

quit insulting dragon ball and putting it on the same lvl as this crap dude....

plus at least with DBZ we get to wash the taste of Naruto out from us and well have something a lot more kick ass than some kitten manga about some blind girl and an emo Uchiha.

[Narufan85]

I think the difference is that DBZ doesn't drastically change character arcs, motivations, or overarching themes in an interest of retconning and prolonging the series. For the most part, from what I remember, DBZ is far more consistent than Naruto.

[Nostradamus]

I think the difference is that DBZ doesn't drastically change character arcs, motivations, or overarching themes in an interest of retconning and prolonging the series. For the most part, from what I remember, DBZ is far more consistent than Naruto.

Exactly. DBZ has its inconsistencies but they're not like Naruto's.

Characters don't change all of a sudden. Even 20 years later Toriyama still stays true to what he created.

Edited by Nostradamus, 11 September 2015 - 02:30 AM.

[Bryon_Konoha_Ninja]

Exactly. DBZ has its inconsistencies but they're not like Naruto's.

Characters don't change all of a sudden. Even 20 years later Toriyama still stays true to what he created.

 

Yep! Even with new additions and all.