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#19941 Inferno180

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Posted 29 May 2014 - 11:50 PM

Debating with the NH/SS fandom is pointless. Especially with some people. They twist the things that were said in the manga to suit their needs. After 631 they turned to Hinata=Minato when they themselves said so many times that Hinata=Kushina. After 663 they started to say that Kushina's words mean that Naruto will end up with Karin. They're worse than Sasuke, they cannot even pick one and stick with it. Now because of Hinata's dream they started to say that NH is confirmed, God knows how. 

 

No the bigger deal is, well hinata isnt special in this case, because others had romance dreams, I mean Lees was basically the same but why does no one think LeeSaku will occur then? I mean it exists even less yet people just ignore this, the same deal as the mini battle with sasuino and saiino. Why not both of them getting the right to things too? This is exactly what we can say out of this deal that why is hinata so special then? I mean if it was a dream being shown then obviously LeeSaku will occur and Sasuke will at some point reveal his long hidden love for Ino.

 

Really I'm amazed at this fandom, just amazed, when in this pairing war, the base deal being any argument can be subject to the equals other things assumption, this is the crown jewel of the moment, the biggest in all reason. Its well, if you say NH will come from this event then the others from Lee and Ino should also be considered now despite even less development and existing even less. But NH will say it doesn't matter using again, a double standard saying that their pairing should exist because it exists more than those other 2 but then ignore the same fact of what actually occurred in the manga for years with NS development at many points in the story. See the problem here? They say theirs can happen because it exists more but then ignore the same fact of NS being bigger than NH in story development. But we know the real reason why, its because its just Hinata and Hinata is somehow the priority character. But hey, this the is same fandom that tries to say disregard story stuff because its simply in the story and they try to inject realism into the mix by saying Minato and Sai didn't know naruto that long and instead peg kiba as a more reliable source even though he isn't really vital to the overall story.

 

Really this whole deal with proclaiming somehow SS grew from the past few chapters and this dream making NH canon, its really just leaves me to tears and cry saying if people seriously need to be acting or if they seriously think this way. I mean really the whole chaos of 631 last year and taking the scenes of 631 and 504 or any other NS scene is somehow anti or not real and everything negative with SS means canon and unresolved+infrequent events make NH canon in addition to her just repeating that mantra naruto kun again and again apparently means reason, lets ignore the development, lets ignore the consistency and growth commonly displayed between both naruto and sakura, lets assume sakura will never progress like every other character, lets assume sasuke just magically falls in love, lets say naruto got over sakura despite the hints of NS after the land of iron, lets say he fell for hinata or now loves her despite little to no interaction between the two after the land of iron, even with 615 not much has occured since then or at all. Lets count Hinata missing the recovery event as more proof of canon and not sakura supporting narutos dream, lets say sakura loves sasuke more somehow now despite him being a complete ass.

 

It all ended for me last year when we got a story event just building on a direct foreshadow, we didnt say NS went canon, we only said its a good hint but no, people had to be stupid and just overreact. Now with SS near death and NH just on the sides with little to nothing as usual, its amazing, but hey I'm not surprised. The same fandom that thinks the scenes of 504 and 631 apparently call it a lie or joke and made so many crazy reasons for it, there are more crazy anti-NS arguments rather than actual attempts for evidence in NH and SS. But again, I'm not surprised, when a direct moment hinting something for us turned managed to greatly upset the other fandoms, obviously when something occurred with saying stuff like Sakura is moving away from sasuke, then the inverse happens, they treat it like the golden era they were waiting for and everything is said and done. And yet they said we died now because of this. Apparently events like showing sakura is questioning her view on sasuke and hinata just dreaming the same stuff she always has, these events which mean sakura is moving away and hinata really not progressing anywhere with her development, spending 2 chapters in a row showing again the same old bland we know she loves naruto stuff, its just, ugh my lord this manages to hurt ones head, espcially since both these events had no impact on NS, either positive or negative, thats the funniest part of this, there hasn't been much NS stuff since 663 and kishi has been showing sakura moving from sasuke and well the same old stuff from hinata going nowhere.

 

Really aside from the development being the main reason I support NS, the other half of my faith in the pairing, is just the lack of a concise view at this point NH and SS fans could actually put up because if 631 was only a minor event that caused so much crap, a minor event of just saying look at 504 and 631 with this, well it was too much for them and they instead had to make a federal case out of things and go insane. So if they cannot take a simple 1 to 1 scene as a hint, its no use in debating with them.



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Posted 30 May 2014 - 12:39 AM

You know I never once heard a contradiction to the Kushina parallel every response is literally "you take the parallel too seriously" The problem is not that its a parallel but that its a parallel that it is reinforced and hammered in. Minato's blessing is just the nail in the coffin for the other ships because now at this point Kishi would have to go out of his way to make the other pairs canon. Its like I said the only way for NH to be canon at this point after 631 is

1. Minato shares a scene with Hinata and also makes a comment about how she is similar to Kushina

2. Minato dies one last time under the false impression that Naruto didn't follow his mother's last request.

I don't see either of these scenarios realistically happen. Kishi is literally obligated to make NS canon at this point. And even if he backs out and makes an open-ending, we would assume NS still wins because of those hints.

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Posted 30 May 2014 - 12:48 AM

You know I never once heard a contradiction to the Kushina parallel every response is literally "you take the parallel too seriously" The problem is not that its a parallel but that its a parallel that it is reinforced and hammered in. Minato's blessing is just the nail in the coffin for the other ships because now at this point Kishi would have to go out of his way to make the other pairs canon. Its like I said the only way for NH to be canon at this point after 631 is

1. Minato shares a scene with Hinata and also makes a comment about how she is similar to Kushina

2. Minato dies one last time under the false impression that Naruto didn't follow his mother's last request.

I don't see either of these scenarios realistically happen. Kishi is literally obligated to make NS canon at this point. And even if he backs out and makes an open-ending, we would assume NS still wins because of those hints.

 

What matters is the development and even before 631, NS had a lot of it, its just been much stronger in recent years since the war arc years didnt give any pairing moments. The whole deal with 631 is that its just a hint built on a preexisting foreshadow and the fact that many people cannot just take it as a hint.



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Posted 30 May 2014 - 12:55 AM

The more Sasuke hurts Sakura's feelings the more I'm really beginning to think that Naruto is finally going to call him out on his crap and bring up Sakura's feelings for him. It could be the way that Sakura's feelings for him are finally resolved.

That's a pretty likely scenario as well.

Another thing I was thinking is possible is that Naruto does something reckless to beat Kaguya and we end up with a scene similar to the one that took place after he beat Nagato. Except this time, instead of punching Naruto in the gut and hugging him, she punches him I'm the mouth.





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Posted 30 May 2014 - 01:01 AM

I feel very sad that the majority of people prefer NH over NS  :pinch:  People just don't realize the beauty of NaruSaku.

 

Naruto's solely love for Sakura is already pure beauty, but yet, they say Naruto doesn't love her...

It's a big kitten you to the author in person.


Edited by Otaru, 30 May 2014 - 01:01 AM.

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#19946 Dalton.T.R

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Posted 30 May 2014 - 01:08 AM

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Posted 30 May 2014 - 01:09 AM

 

Naruto's solely love for Sakura is already pure beauty, but yet, they say Naruto doesn't love her...

It's a big kitten you to the author in person.

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Posted 30 May 2014 - 01:15 AM

Yes I like it better =)

Don't want to see Team7 with Sasuke anymore right now lol

 

Anyway, I kept Hyde videos with me !

Whatch it guys ^^This man has an amazing voice.


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Posted 30 May 2014 - 01:28 AM

Yes I like it better =)

Don't want to see Team7 with Sasuke anymore right now lol

 

Anyway, I kept Hyde videos with me !

Whatch it guys ^^This man has an amazing voice.

lol can't blame you.


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Posted 30 May 2014 - 01:50 AM

If it's Crystal Chakra you're fighting with on NB, I'd say don't consume your energy... Trust me.

 

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Posted 30 May 2014 - 02:17 AM

I wonder if Sakura would reciprocate Naruto's feelings if he confessed to her instead of Sai.

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Posted 30 May 2014 - 02:20 AM

I wonder if Sakura would reciprocate Naruto's feelings if he confessed to her instead of Sai.

Well, things would have been a lot different. The Sai part was done to let her know that Naruto is dying out there because he loves her so much. If he can't keep the promise and dies before confessing, that's what he would have done. If it's a normal one on one confession, things would be different, thus something we would be edge on our seats.

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Posted 30 May 2014 - 02:54 AM

I wonder if Sakura would reciprocate Naruto's feelings if he confessed to her instead of Sai.


Yes, she will.

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Posted 30 May 2014 - 03:17 AM

You know what...I think I just realized what Kishi is doing showing Sakura not being happy around sasuke, it's one way to show the readers that she was telling the truth on her confession that she isn't in love with him anymore.

He makes her unhappy etc,..won't those her words? It's clear that Naruto wants to think of Sakura as his girlfriend, but after all this, he is going to realize more and more that he was wrong to call her a lier back then, when it comes to her feelings, only she knows what she is feeling.

So....moving forward...besides the fighting, and these dreams, there are many ways of showing that these are the true feelings, and this is the true path.

Am I making sense ?

Also, as a side note that doesn't really have to do with anything, I'm looking forward to the next Naruto opening or ending with a narusaku moment in it even more after these recent chapters, I just feel like Kishi isn't holding back anymore...

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Posted 30 May 2014 - 03:29 AM

You know what...I think I just realized what Kishi is doing showing Sakura not being happy around sasuke, it's one way to show the readers that she was telling the truth on her confession that she isn't in love with him anymore.

He makes her unhappy etc,..won't those her words? It's clear that Naruto wants to think of Sakura as his girlfriend, but after all this, he is going to realize more and more that he was wrong to call her a lier back then, when it comes to her feelings, only she knows what she is feeling.

So....moving forward...besides the fighting, and these dreams, there are many ways of showing that these are the true feelings, and this is the true path.

Am I making sense ?

Also, as a side note that doesn't really have to do with anything, I'm looking forward to the next Naruto opening or ending with a narusaku moment in it even more after these recent chapters, I just feel like Kishi isn't holding back anymore...

I think the fact he's showing an evil Sasuke to Sakura in the recents chapter is linked to the love letter guy "the man you love must be someone great." I know that many people were wondering if Sasuke had to come back, he would be considered as someone great, since he's helping to defeat Madara. But with the way Kishi is portraying his return towards Sakura, he's not someone great who deserve her love. I hope she will have a flashback to the love letter guy's words. And I think that's why she's shown not happy, because she realize that he's not "a great guy" towards her, but she still don't make a link between the scene I mentionned and Sasuke's attitude to her. 

 

And about the opening/ending, sadly, I think when 663 will be animated, we will still have the same opening as of now, but it's possible that the ending will be changed at that time. But I don't expect particual NS moments in it, I expect a Team 7 ending and/or possibly next opening. Since the next episodes will contain 3 chapters in it, we will quickly reach chapter 663 and so we willstill have the same opening which is used during a longer time than the ending. I think it is around 20 episodes for the opening and around 10/15 episodes for the ending. 

But I also hope for a NS hint in the future ending or even opening. 


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Posted 30 May 2014 - 03:29 AM

You know what...I think I just realized what Kishi is doing showing Sakura not being happy around sasuke, it's one way to show the readers that she was telling the truth on her confession that she isn't in love with him anymore.

He makes her unhappy etc,..won't those her words? It's clear that Naruto wants to think of Sakura as his girlfriend, but after all this, he is going to realize more and more that he was wrong to call her a lier back then, when it comes to her feelings, only she knows what she is feeling.

So....moving forward...besides the fighting, and these dreams, there are many ways of showing that these are the true feelings, and this is the true path.

Am I making sense ?

Also, as a side note that doesn't really have to do with anything, I'm looking forward to the next Naruto opening or ending with a narusaku moment in it even more after these recent chapters, I just feel like Kishi isn't holding back anymore...

Actually, that does make a lot of sense. It wouldn't surprise me one bit if that's what Kishi is actually doing now. Has Sakura even looked happy one time since Sasuke's been around? I mean, has she actually showed a smile that says "I'm just as happy as can be now that Sasuke's back"? Because I don't think she has.

 

I believe Sakura will be moving on past Sasuke, and finally getting the hint that he doesn't like her in the coming chapters. Also, I won't be surprised if he attempts to cheap shot Naruto after the finish off Zetsu.

 

I suspect Sasuke will strike Naruto down when we're least expecting it. When nobody's looking, he slips his sword through Naruto's gut, ending any chance of SS and practically confirming NS.



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Posted 30 May 2014 - 04:29 AM

I do wonder the whole purpose. This could make or break everything.

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Posted 30 May 2014 - 05:18 AM

Yeah, Kishi is being more strait forward with his pairings. He's not out right saying it, but compare the way he's usually subtle about pairings to last chapter, then he might as well spell it out. I mean,

 

SS- gets tanked by Sasuke.

 

NH- becomes canon in the IT, but is shown with impossible to not likely dreams.

 

NS- although it has not had a real moment, Naruto stood up for Sakura( and Kakashi) and Sakura and Naruto were near each other by the end.

 

ST- The only speculated pairing that was not made canon in the dream world, where things seem to be a contrast of what happens in real life.

 

So yeah, pairings are becoming more obvious by the chapters.

 

Note; Do you think there was a reason Naruto and Sakura were next to each other by the end? I mean, if Kaguya returns, maybe Naruto could give Sakura some chakra and that leads to SSM or something.


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Posted 30 May 2014 - 06:33 AM

goodness gracious I don't even know what the argument here is supposed to be.

lol NH

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Posted 30 May 2014 - 07:12 AM

goodness gracious I don't even know what the argument here is supposed to be.
 

 

Lol. I get it. This user really thinks that Naruto's promise to Hinata was more important to him than his promise to Sakura. Sometimes, Naruto's selflessness does him an ill turn.


 





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