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[NaruSaku fan in Kentucky]

Don't forget Kairi. What she did in Kingdom Hearts was more than what Hinata did against Pein.

[Ryriena]

True but she also did not let her father smash her dreams of discovering new worlds, and I don't think Ariel was passive she was an adventure, smart and didn't let her father control her.

Fa Mulan was a person that defied cultural norms of her time and became a great general she was also based on a real female legend from a small Chinese poem their are some people that believe she was real, a real girl named Zhu Yi, she died at age 90 and was buried north of Mulan mountain. According to original records from the time ;)

Edited by Ryriena, 14 May 2015 - 09:28 PM.

[Laylo]

True but she also did not let her father smash her dreams of discovering new worlds, and I don't think Ariel was passive she was an adventure, smart and didn't let her father control her.

Fa Mulan was a person that defied cultural norms of her time and became a great general she was also based on a real female legend from a small Chinese poem their are some people that believe she was real a real girl named Zhu Yi, she died at age 90 and was buried north of Mulan mountain. According to original records from the time ;)

 

yes! and even in the sequel she took the reins from her father and husband when melody went missing in the ocean. ariel was anything BUT passive in her movies.

 

mulan was amazing becaus she was all about improving (and proving) herself, but never lost that compassion she held for everybody. it's not just that she kicked ass, it's also that she was so strong spiritually and emotionally. i knew about the chinese poem but i didn't know about her real name and age! thank you for that bit of trivia!

 

i guess i'm not going back to lurking lol.

 

to talk again about naruto. i don't like hinata. but its so confusing!

 

on one hand, she's probably happy being a stay at home mother and making meals and such. there's nothing wrong with that role IF that's the role the woman wants. hinata was originally going to be a civillain and in her backstory she gave up so easily on fighting and ninja related things. it wouldn't have been such a stretch to believe she never wanted to be a ninja and was only doing so to live up to her father's standards.

 

but then kishimoto showed us that she WANTED to become stronger. and getting stronger made her happy. so why would she quit being a ninja if getting stronger made her happy?

 

well the last happened. and that's where we learned that being a strong ninja does not make hinata happy as much as being by naruto's side does. 

 

so i can't hate kishimoto for making hinata a housewife (assuming that's all she is. she might still have a political tie to her clan or something). it's terrible how he did it, but he/studio perriot did show that she would be happier as a homemaker than as a ninja. and she clearly made her choice so...

 

and who knows? maybe she's just off duty instead of fully retired. i'm sure they won't waste an opportunity to let her fight. if they do then i'll call the sexist card. i still hate hinata tho.

 

i also kno that that's just hinata. sakura has no excuse to go from what she was to a house wife. unless its plot relevant. and portrayed right.

 

those are just my thoughts.

[Aizen-Sama]

 
i see this a lot and since i recently rewatched this movie i have to cut ariel some slack. at least they spent 3 days together + the time it took to prepare the wedding. she was mute and using the fork as a freaking comb and he still didn't kick her out for being weird. and finally, eric risked his life to save her...like he was willing to end up dead if it meant she was okay. so their relationship is pretty solid in comparison to most even if they did meet at the beginning of the movie and get married at the end.
 
i don't think those princesses were passive just because their stories heavily involved romance. ARIEL is the one who initiated things but going to ursula. before eric jumped into the fight, she tried to take on the sea witch herself. Hell eric was in just as much distress as she since he got mind controlled at one point (and who rushed to save him? who swam across the occean as a human to save him? not his butler!)
 
and assuming you're talking about belle too, that woman was the FIRST one to stand up to the beast. she rejected gaston numerous times (politely tho) and even when things got scary she still didn't put up with any bs.
 
i think it's safe to say that romance + femininity does NOT equal passive. belle wanted adventure and it just so happened that adventure came from a sweet prince. ariel wanted to be a part of human culture and she just so happened to meet the love of her life.
 
sorry to butt in but i usually want to say something when people deride the princesses for antifeminist (i kno you didn't SAY that but that's what i got from your 'they're too passive' comment. if i'm wrong just say so). 
 
about naruto:
 
how ironic that this spin off is starting off so slow when naruto ended in such a rush. the lack of hinata so far means i like this more than i otherwise would've tho. fingers crossed team 7 reunites and its about them (even if they are fighting uchiha again).
 
*goes back to lurking*.

In no way do I think femininity = passiveness. Quite the opposite. I like the old Disney princesses but I don't like how easily they fall in love & how gullible they can sometimes be. Belle gets credit because she actually spent time with the Beast but that doesn't change the fact that their love was ignited by stockholm syndrome. That's just the writers' fault though, I still think Belle is a capable heroine. Also kissing unconscious women in Sleeping Beauty? Weird. Snow White was a sweetheart but they forgot to give her some brains. As for Ariel I think it's even weirder that the guy wanted to marry her in 3 days when she didn't even speak a word to him. I know love at first sight is a thing but it just seems shallow and unrealistic.
Anyway I think Team 7 reuniting would be extremely interesting. I hope Kakashi shows up soon instead of being stuck in his wheelchair with Gai.

Edited by Aizen-Sama, 14 May 2015 - 09:42 PM.

[Nar123]

School Days. Horrible series. Should have never been animated in the first place and just stick with its damn visual novel.

Well you could look at School Days as a good deconstruction of the harem genre, in this case it really fufills it's role

[Laylo]

In no way do I think femininity = passiveness. Quite the opposite. I like the old Disney princesses but I don't like how easily they fall in love & how gullible they can sometimes be. Belle gets credit because she actually spent time with the Beast but that doesn't change the fact that their love was ignited by stockholm syndrome. That's just the writers' fault though, I still think Belle is a capable heroine. Also kissing unconscious women in Sleeping Beauty? Weird. Snow White was a sweetheart but they forgot to give her some brains. As for Ariel I think it's even weirder that the guy wanted to marry her in 3 days when she didn't even speak a word to him. I know love at first sight is a thing but it just seems shallow and unrealistic.
Anyway I think Team 7 reuniting would be extremely interesting. I hope Kakashi shows up soon instead of being stuck in his wheelchair with Gai.

 

haha but the opposite is also true! the beast fell in love with his hostage! the name for it escapes me tho.

 

oh yes, aurora and snow white were certainly the most passive for different reasons. aurora had her whole life practically planned out for her and she just went with the flow. and snow white flat out admitted that she was waiting for a prince. but given that both women had met their princes BEFORE the kiss (even tho aurora was a baby) and both were prefectly happy with their endings, i cannot deride them for being passive (if they were shown WANTING to be more active and take control of their life but ended up the way they did i would have a problem). 

 

however that's just my way of thinking and i will not argue against/judge you for feeling differently!

 

actually, it's a little bit more than that. 1) we all know looks had something to do with it. because disney designed both to be attractive we cannot lie there. 2) i'm sure he fell partially in love with her quirky actions. she may not have been able to talk, but she was incredibly active, playful, and curious. and given how eric was incredibly bored with his life as prince(and more importantly, meeting boring people as prince) i think he found some charm in her for that. and most importantly

 

3) she saved his life once and he remembered it. part of the reason he was so distracted from his princely duties is because he remembered ariel saving him from the burning ship and singing him awake. as a matter of fact, he initially REJECTED ariel because he didn't think she was 'that girl' (because she couldn't speak). it was only after ariel got her voice back that eric make the connection that this plucky go-getter who's always smiling is the same woman who saved his life.

 

this was all in one movie i swear to you lol.

 

about team 7, yes. i cannot stand it when sasuke has the spotlight. but when he shares the spotlight and acts like a team player he becomes 100% more tolerable for me. but it can't just be with naruto because i hate that relationship too. if sakura is stuck in a coma for 7 chapters or so i'm going to scream.

 

kakashi i'm more confident about showing up just because of his popularity. i don't think kishimoto really cares about his 'new generation surpassing the old' lesson either.

[Atheck]

So... Has anyone scene this poll yet? Both sasusaku and naruhina are in the top ten.

 

http://xnanami.tumbl...because-many-of

 

It makes sense. Both relationships originated from benighted idolisation for people whom these childish girls revered yet knew nothing about. If I could provide my own contributions, InoSai and ChoKarui would be up there as well, though not quite as high. The former was based upon little more than Ino taking the unused seconds when first prize was seized from her. It might as well be classified as loveless perversion for the Sasuke lookalike's body. As for the latter - well it's simply an unjustified throwaway that spontaneously came from nowhere to create a lovechild for the spin-off. The taste it leaves isn't quite as bad, but I still don't care for ChoKarui neither. 

[Phantom_999]

Is there even a school days thread? 
 
About the rest of your post, yeah, Makoto is pretty much an a-hole in most of the series adaptations; however the manga at least paints him a much more sympathetic light and he actively tries to change.

 
Fair enough my friend.   He did at least acknowledge hi s faults and tried to make things right. Still a pretty twisted ending though.
 

Well you could look at School Days as a good deconstruction of the harem genre, in this case it really fufills it's role

Yeah it may make me sick to my stomach, but I don't deny it's effectiveness at deconstructing the Harem genre. Especially since MANY Harem series make me face-palm and roll my eyes.

Edited by Phantom_999, 14 May 2015 - 10:32 PM.

[Nar123]

Still a pretty twisted ending though.

Couldn't be school days in any other way

[TouKen4Life3g]

Well you could look at School Days as a good deconstruction of the harem genre, in this case it really fufills it's role

Mission accomplished on that...

But that doesn't excuse the awfulness.

[Namikaze Clan]

 
It makes sense. Both relationships originated from benighted idolisation for people whom these childish girls revered yet knew nothing about. If I could provide my own contributions, InoSai and ChoKarui would be up there as well, though not quite as high. The former was based upon little more than Ino taking the unused seconds when first prize was seized from her. It might as well be classified as loveless perversion for the Sasuke lookalike's body. As for the latter - well it's simply an unjustified throwaway that spontaneously came from nowhere to create a lovechild for the spin-off. The taste it leaves isn't quite as bad, but I still don't care for ChoKarui neither. 

At first I felt the same as you did about ChoKarui, but now I really like them as a couple. There's really nothing offensive about the pairing(unlike the others) once you get passed how random it was

[Aizen-Sama]

 

haha but the opposite is also true! the beast fell in love with his hostage! the name for it escapes me tho.

 

oh yes, aurora and snow white were certainly the most passive for different reasons. aurora had her whole life practically planned out for her and she just went with the flow. and snow white flat out admitted that she was waiting for a prince. but given that both women had met their princes BEFORE the kiss (even tho aurora was a baby) and both were prefectly happy with their endings, i cannot deride them for being passive (if they were shown WANTING to be more active and take control of their life but ended up the way they did i would have a problem). 

 

however that's just my way of thinking and i will not argue against/judge you for feeling differently!

 

actually, it's a little bit more than that. 1) we all know looks had something to do with it. because disney designed both to be attractive we cannot lie there. 2) i'm sure he fell partially in love with her quirky actions. she may not have been able to talk, but she was incredibly active, playful, and curious. and given how eric was incredibly bored with his life as prince(and more importantly, meeting boring people as prince) i think he found some charm in her for that. and most importantly

 

3) she saved his life once and he remembered it. part of the reason he was so distracted from his princely duties is because he remembered ariel saving him from the burning ship and singing him awake. as a matter of fact, he initially REJECTED ariel because he didn't think she was 'that girl' (because she couldn't speak). it was only after ariel got her voice back that eric make the connection that this plucky go-getter who's always smiling is the same woman who saved his life.

 

this was all in one movie i swear to you lol.

 

about team 7, yes. i cannot stand it when sasuke has the spotlight. but when he shares the spotlight and acts like a team player he becomes 100% more tolerable for me. but it can't just be with naruto because i hate that relationship too. if sakura is stuck in a coma for 7 chapters or so i'm going to scream.

 

kakashi i'm more confident about showing up just because of his popularity. i don't think kishimoto really cares about his 'new generation surpassing the old' lesson either.

 

Yeah I think the Beast has some issues too falling in love with his captive but that doesn't cancel out the stockholm syndrome. It's just makes them both a bit screwed. xD  I know, I like Ariel I'm just criticizing some of the very questionable plots in those Disney princess movies.  A lot of young girls watch these films and it's important that these fictional heroines that many look up to have some intelligence and drive and not be stuck in the same mold.  This is the writers' responsibility of course and its good that Disney is changing from the typical perfect-princess/weird plot mold.  

As for team 7, Kishimoto is still giving all the plot to Naruto and Sasuke and ignoring Hinata and Sakura.  It really makes me sick, he only shows Sakura to humiliate her in her crappy house and situation.  For once he's doing good with the Sarada and Bolt focus but it's only a matter of time before he switches back to their terrible parents. 

[griff142]

I loved Disney growing up even though the romances were a little clique at times but Hinata can't be compared to a fairy tale ending. Hinata is the opposite of that. She would have done anything to be with Naruto. She would have joined a harem just to say I am with Naruto.

[Aizen-Sama]

I loved Disney growing up even though the romances were a little clique at times but Hinata can't be compared to a fairy tale ending. Hinata is the opposite of that. She would have done anything to be with Naruto. She would have joined a harem just to say I am with Naruto.

 

Hinata's that desperate.  I guess otakus like Forneverworld find that appealing.  They have sympathy for her cuz they feel it themselves.

[TouKen4Life3g]

I don't know why and why now, but I am a bit shocked that we were right once more about Japan.

[Bryon_Konoha_Ninja]

I don't know why and why now, but I am a bit shocked that we were right once more about Japan.

 

With the fact so many hated the ending for Naruto in the land of the Rising Sun, Sparda? I know the feeling.

[Aizen-Sama]

 

With the fact so many hated the ending for Naruto in the land of the Rising Sun, Sparda? I know the feeling.

 

Land of the Rising Sun is now being called Land of the Rising Pervert for all the perverted anime coming out of there.  I agree with Hayao Miyazaki that otakus are ruining Japanese animation lol.

[AHK]

Land of the Rising Sun is now being called Land of the Rising Pervert for all the perverted anime coming out of there.  I agree with Hayao Miyazaki that otakus are ruining Japanese animation lol.

That ain't the only thing rising in Japan

[Tokura Misaki]

So... Has anyone scene this poll yet? Both sasusaku and naruhina are in the top ten.

 

http://xnanami.tumbl...because-many-of

 

Both NarHin and SasSak are included in top 10 lol.

 

But why ShinRan and Kiraraku?

[Nar123]

 
Both NarHin and SasSak are included in top 10 lol.
 
But why ShinRan and Kiraraku?

The first because its been around for too long with only teasing, it's bothering some people
I cant say too much about the second but apparently a lot of people dont like them together

Edited by Nar123, 15 May 2015 - 05:17 AM.