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[TouKen4Life3g]

Well I don't know how Kishimoto could possible insult NH/SS any worse than he has now..... unless he kills Hinata and sasuke.

Not yet. Lesson learn for Sakura (if it's love), then kill him. Lol.

[narusaku256]

Well I don't know how Kishimoto could possible insult NH/SS any worse than he has now..... unless he kills Hinata and sasuke.

Sakura to Sasuke: kitten off you kitten!
Naruto to Hinata: Leave me alone, you stalker!

Sakura to Naruto: Naruto....
Naruto to Sakura: Sa...Sakura chan...
Both of them together: I lovveeee youuu.

Good insult, no?

[Syn11]

I wonder what will make SS-shippers see the color of the relationship they approve.

If Sasuke kicked Sakura in the gut, shouting "Annoying kitten!", SS-fans would be awaken from their rosy dreams?

[Shashank95]

That's most likely the point.

And you do know how much she is being pressured to get married Everytime someone says something close to resembling marriage she gets this murderous look in her eyes   

[xxRomanceGirlxx]

Sakura's reaction to Sasuke was painful. I really wish she wouldn't let Sasuke get to her so much. If you ignore the entirety of Part 2 and just see that one panel of Sasuke putting down Sakura while Sakura does her kicked puppy dog act, it'd be like nothing's changed since Part 1.

 

Say whatever about why Sakura looked so sad, but IMO she wouldn't look that sad if anyone other than Sasuke said it. It's always been this way. It's like having Sasuke around is making her slip into old patterns. Getting so upset that Sasuke called her useless and so disappointed that Sasuke didn't care in 675 is almost like Part 1. Not as extreme, but the similarities are there. Maybe she isn't seeking Sasuke romantically, but she still has Sasuke baggage and has yet to come to a full resolution about what she feels for him. Sakura still wants his acknowledgement, not just getting T7 together and happy again.

 

I srsly don't understand how anyone can ship SS. It's like most of them ignore the actual dysfunction of the ship and focus on an idea of it. Like Sasuke caring, showing respect for her, being protective of her, and Sakura getting rewarded when all it causes her is pain. It's fine if you ship a dysfunctional ship, god knows I've shipped unhealthy ships before (though not nearly as one-sided as SS). But you shouldn't ignore the ships flaws or make excuses for it all the time. You're lying to yourself and not even fully accepting your own shipping. It reminds me of how Bella/Edward fans praise the Twilight couple as "healthy and true love" when it's terribly unhealthy, co-dependent, and sets a bad image for women in relationships. Everyone's biased in their own way, but biasness can only go so far.

 

The Sakura that constantly lets Sasuke walk all over her and cowers like in 678 is not who Sakura really is. The real Sakura is the confident girl that stands up for herself, speaks her mind, and takes crap from no one. That's the Sakura we know and love, but when it comes to Sasuke it's like everything that makes her Sakura gets stripped away and we have a fragile, submissive girl with no self-confidence. One harsh comment from Sasuke and she's the Sakura from her childhood again. The only time Sakura has ever stood up to Sasuke was twice. And that was defending Naruto.

 

If Sakura is truly unable to get over that, then a SS relationship would be the worst thing Kishi could ever do to her. All I see of a SS relationship is Sasuke making Sakura miserable because she cares too much about what he thinks and Sasuke doesn't care enough. It's an unbalanced relationship that's unfair to Sakura. Sasuke is an ass like usual, Sakura just takes it and gets depressed. What kind of relationship is that? SasuSaku is a parasitic relationship in every sense possible.

 

I've seen SS fans argue NS would be no different than SS because Naruto's passive with Sakura, but hell no. Naruto is definitely capable of standing up for himself and calling Sakura out. Most of what Sakura does doesn't bother him and since he's just such an easygoing individual anyway it takes a lot for him to get to that point. But he does have that point as the confession showed. Naruto and Sakura would have arguments if they were ever together and that makes them equals. None of them truly lose themselves in their relationship 'cause they both speak their minds. That's actually healthy for a relationship as long as it's not excessive.

 

In 678, Sasuke was honestly more of an a**hole to Kakashi than he was to Sakura. But it's just different. People like Kakashi, Naruto, and hell even Karin don't let Sasuke's arrogance and rudeness affect them so much. It's either they get pissed and call him out on his BS or they don't let it bother them at all. I hate SasuKarin and while SasuNaru is my brotp and I do agree Naruto's too forgiving with Sasuke, at least they don't get that depressed over Sasuke's usual behavior like Sakura does. Even this chapter Naruto called Sasuke an a**hole, Kakashi just ignored it while Sakura was the only person who took it to heart. What does that tell you about SS and what it does Sakura's personality? She can't handle Sasuke. That's a fact.

 

This is exactly why I hate SS so much. Sakura loses so much of herself when it comes to Sasuke and it's painful to watch when he never cares enough to feel sorry for it, even when they were real teammates.

 

At times like this I enjoy reading fanfics were Sakura treats Sasuke like a normal teammate, doesn't hang on every insult or rude thing he does to her, and actually hits him like she can hit Sai or Naruto. I don't even care if that puts SS more positively. I just want Sakura to not give a damn how Sasuke acts and be herself. I hope that, if Kishi really intends to have Team 7 together again, he lets that happen for Sakura and saves her a lot of grief.

 

When it comes to Sakura's character development and showing the strength of her personality,  canon-wise NaruSaku is the only way to go.

Edited by xxRomanceGirlxx, 29 May 2014 - 02:14 PM.

[Shashank95]

Sometimes i just wanna smack Sakura in the face to make her realise that Sasuke ain't gonna give two kittens about her. He never has and probably never will. Kishi seriously need to resolve this fiasco with Sakura's feelings in regards to Sasuke cause it's not just about keeping shippers interested in the story anymore. Kishi keeps destroying her development and just gives more ammo for haters   

[narusaku256]

"Say whatever about why Sakura looked so sad, but IMO she wouldn't look that sad if anyone other than Sasuke said it". That's my point and sort of a problem from the start. Everyone can see she does not love Sasuke anymore now but it seems that she herself has not realised it/hasn't come to terms with it yet.

[narusaku256]

Sakura's reaction to Sasuke was painful. I really wish she wouldn't let Sasuke get to her so much. If you ignore the entirety of Part 2 and just see that one panel of Sasuke putting down Sakura while Sakura does her kicked puppy dog act, it'd be like nothing's changed since Part 1.
 
Say whatever about why Sakura looked so sad, but IMO she wouldn't look that sad if anyone other than Sasuke said it. It's always been this way. It's like having Sasuke around is making her slip into old patterns. Getting so upset that Sasuke called her useless and so disappointed that Sasuke didn't care in 675 is almost like Part 1. Not as extreme, but the similarities are there. Maybe she isn't seeking Sasuke romantically, but she still has Sasuke baggage and has yet to come to a full resolution about what she feels for him. Sakura still wants his acknowledgement, not just getting T7 together and happy again.
 
I srsly don't understand how anyone can ship SS. It's like most of them ignore the actual dysfunction of the ship and focus on an idea of it. Like Sasuke caring, showing respect for her, being protective of her, and Sakura getting rewarded when all it causes her is pain. It's fine if you ship a dysfunctional ship, god knows I've shipped unhealthy ships before (though not nearly as one-sided as SS). But you shouldn't ignore the ships flaws or make excuses for it all the time. You're lying to yourself and not even fully accepting your own shipping. It reminds me of how Bella/Edward fans praise the Twilight couple as "healthy and true love" when it's terribly unhealthy, co-dependent, and sets a bad image for women in relationships. Everyone's biased in their own way, but biasness can only go so far.
 
The Sakura that constantly lets Sasuke walk all over her and cowers like in 678 is not who Sakura really is. The real Sakura is the confident girl that stands up for herself, speaks her mind, and takes crap from no one. That's the Sakura we know and love, but when it comes to Sasuke it's like everything that makes her Sakura gets stripped away and we have a fragile, submissive girl with no self-confidence. One harsh comment from Sasuke and she's the Sakura from her childhood again. The only time Sakura has ever stood up to Sasuke was twice. And that was defending Naruto.
 
If Sakura is truly unable to get over that, then a SS relationship would be the worst thing Kishi could ever do to her. All I see of  a SS relationship is Sasuke making Sakura miserable because she cares too much about what he thinks and Sasuke doesn't care enough. It's an unbalanced relationship that's unfair to Sakura. Sasuke is an ass like usual, Sakura just takes it and gets depressed. What kind of relationship is that? SasuSaku is a parasitic relationship in every sense possible.
 
I've seen SS fans argue NS would be no different than SS because Naruto's passive with Sakura, but hell no. Naruto is definitely capable of standing up for himself and calling Sakura out. Most of what Sakura does doesn't bother him and since he's just such an easygoing individual anyway it takes a lot for him to get that point. But he does have that point as the confession showed. Naruto and Sakura would have arguments if they were ever together and that makes them equals. None of them truly lose themselves in their relationship 'cause they both speak their minds. That's actually healthy for a relationship as long as it's not excessive.
 
In 678, Sasuke was honestly more of an a**hole to Kakashi than he was to Sakura. But it's just different. People like Kakashi, Naruto, and hell even Karin don't let Sasuke's arrogance and rudeness affect them so much. It's either they get pissed and call out on his BS or they don't let it bother them at all. I hate SasuKarin and while SasuNaru is my brotp I do agree Naruto's too forgiving with Sasuke, at least they don't get that depressed over Sasuke's usual behavior like Sakura does. Even this chapter Naruto called Sasuke an a**hole, Kakashi just ignored it while Sakura was the only person who took it to heart. What does that tell you about SS and what it does Sakura's personality? She can't handle Sasuke. That's a fact.
 
This is exactly why I hate SS so much. Sakura loses so much of herself when it comes to Sasuke and it's painful to watch when he never cares enough to feel sorry for it, even when they were real teammates.
 
At times like this I enjoy reading fanfics were Sakura treats Sasuke like a normal teammate, doesn't hang on every insult or rude thing he does to her, and actually hits him like she can hit Sai or Naruto. I don't even care if that puts SS more positively. I just want Sakura to not give a damn how Sasuke acts and be herself. I hope that, if Kishi really intends to have Team 7 together again, he lets that happen for Sakura and saves her a lot of grief.
 
When it comes to Sakura's character development and showing the strength of her personality,  canon-wise NaruSaku is the only way to go.

This...Cannot agree more with this post. A perfect discription of how things are and how things should be...

Edited by narusaku256, 29 May 2014 - 01:14 PM.

[TouKen4Life3g]

"Say whatever about why Sakura looked so sad, but IMO she wouldn't look that sad if anyone other than Sasuke said it". That's my point and sort of a problem from the start. Everyone can see she does not love Sasuke anymore now but it seems that she herself has not realised it/hasn't come to terms with it yet.

Hard to say from this. Like I said, if it wasn't for Kakashi, maybe your argument would be more confirmed, but this one shows you Sasuke is not a team player to Team 7 at all. I mean it's like partnering up a guy that will tell you, "Go up there and see if they can shoot. If you die, that means they're there. If not, go up further." Plus, Kakashi said it best, it's more about understanding the situation since Sasuke can see but nope, he said kitten off. That's not a team player.

[narusaku256]

Hard to say from this. Like I said, if it wasn't for Kakashi, maybe your argument would be more confirmed, but this one shows you Sasuke is not a team player to Team 7 at all. I mean it's like partnering up a guy that will tell you, "Go up there and see if they can shoot. If you die, that means they're there. If not, go up further." Plus, Kakashi said it best, it's more about understanding the situation since Sasuke can see but nope, he said kitten off. That's not a team player.

Ah no, I am not doubting Kakashi's words at all. I do believe in them. But what I am trying to say is that Kakashi can see she does not love Sasuke now, Sai nad Yamato can see Sakura loves Naruto, but Sakura herself does not realise this. I mean yeah sure, we can say that Sakura knows she is out of Sasuke. But her reaction in 676, "Sasuke kun doesn't care" and the latest sad face[OMG that was too much to handle :(], these things compel me to think that she herself has not realised she doesn't love Sasuke anymore and maybe she just 'convinces' herself that she still loves Sasuke. I'd be more more more than happy to be proven wrong.

Edited by narusaku256, 29 May 2014 - 01:39 PM.

[Syn11]

Ahem, in my opinion, Sakura was saddened not because Sasuke called her useless, but because he spilled the truth in a very blatant way. At this point of time she can't really do anything against the enemy (face to face), basing on her current level. The attack on Madara proved that. So this uselessness is the real reason for her to be depressed, not Sasuke's attitude which, of course, made that feeling even more heavy and painful. In essence, she was denied being an important part of the team - the feeling that she longed for all this time. That's why we see Sakura so sad.

 

But personally, I think that even now Sakura can be of great use if she just stops asking for Sasuke's approval and actually focuses on the surroundings. She's a medic, and those people in cocoons need to be examined.   

[narusaku256]

Ahem, in my opinion, Sakura was saddened not because Sasuke called her useless, but because he spilled the truth in a very blatant way. At this point of time she can't really do anything against the enemy (face to face), basing on her current level. The attack on Madara proved that. So this uselessness is the real reason for her to be depressed, not Sasuke's attitude which, of course, made that feeling even more heavy and painful. In essence, she was denied being an important part of the team - the feeling that she longed for all this time. That's why we see Sakura so sad.
 
But personally, I think that even now Sakura can be of great use if she just stops asking for Sasuke's approval and actually focuses on the surroundings. She's a medic, and those people in cocoons need to be examined.   

Quite possible! Nice POV, btw

[Shashank95]

Ahem, in my opinion, Sakura was saddened not because Sasuke called her useless, but because he spilled the truth in a very blatant way. At this point of time she can't really do anything against the enemy (face to face), basing on her current level. The attack on Madara proved that. So this uselessness is the real reason for her to be depressed, not Sasuke's attitude which, of course, made that feeling even more heavy and painful. In essence, she was denied being an important part of the team - the feeling that she longed for all this time. That's why we see Sakura so sad.

 

But personally, I think that even now Sakura can be of great use if she just stops asking for Sasuke's approval and actually focuses on the surroundings. She's a medic, and those people in cocoons need to be examined.   

indeed a nice analysis

[TouKen4Life3g]

Ah no, I am not doubting Kakashi's words at all. I do believe in them. But what I am trying to say is that Kakashi can see she does not love Sasuke now, Sai nad Yamato can see Sakura loves Naruto, but Sakura herself does not realise this. I mean yeah sure, we can say that Sakura knows she is out of Sasuke. But her reaction in 676, "Sasuke kun doesn't care" and the latest sad face[OMG that was too much to handle :(], these things compel me to think that she herself has not realised she doesn't love Sasuke anymore and maybe she just 'convinces' herself that she still loves Sasuke. I'd be more more more than happy to be proven wrong.

That doesn't help that much though. Here's a question, what do you think she thinks along that line.

A) He doesn't care...My love...just keeps fading...
B) He doesn't care...Team 7...isn't the same...

That's the problem. We don't know if it's about Team 7. We don't know if it's about her love. It's vague to know what is the main reason behind it.

[Syn11]

Quite possible! Nice POV, btw

 

And I forgot to add that Sasuke is a poor leader. A good one knows that all human resources should be used when the situation is between life and death. He sees only one threat (Madara) and forgets about the Tree and its prisoners. That's an evident  error of judgement.

[Shashank95]

 

And I forgot to add that Sasuke is a poor leader. A good one knows that all human resources should be used when the situation is between life and death. He sees only one threat (Madara) and forgets about the Tree and its prisoners. That's an evident  error of judgement.

He's still a stuck up, Over confident and egotistical Douchebag 

[Dalton.T.R]

Well I don't know how Kishimoto could possible insult NH/SS any worse than he has now..... unless he kills Hinata and sasuke.

He could have Naruto transfer chakra to Sakura by holding her hand 

Edited by Night Hawk, 29 May 2014 - 02:20 PM.

[Syn11]

He's still a stuck up, Over confident and egotistical Douchebag 

 

Can't argue with that. I don't understand how Sauke doesn't understand that all shinobi might be already dead (drained of chakra) by the time he and Naruto defeat Madara.

Edited by Syn11, 29 May 2014 - 02:35 PM.

[TsukiChan ♥]

I really don't get SS and NH fans..

 

So, yesterday 678 came out and it could not be more clearer that Sasuke does not really care about Sakura or respect her either, and that the naruhina moment was a dream that was not even going to come true :| because all of their dreams were about things that were unreachable or weren't going to happen, and it's clear as day that it paralleled Lee's and Ino's dream.

 

So anyways, I went on tumblr to see what the ships had to say about this chapter (which is probably a mistake I'll never make again) and I was like...really?

 

SS fans are saying that this means something big is going to happen between Sakura and Sasuke

 

And NH fans are saying that the dream counts and this proves that NH will be canon and they are saying since it was a just dream to us then the CPR moment is just CPR and in RTN when Naruto saved Sakura, was just a movie and they were in a genjutsu :|

 

And they also just love to point out the fact that Sai asked Naruto on his feelings for her before the confession, and that Naruto has never said he loves her :|

 

Sighs I sighed and facepalmed myself so much yesterday, I was like what is wrong with these people? what are they not getting? lolll what?

[xxRomanceGirlxx]

Personally, I'm one of the NS fans that say Sakura focuses more on Team 7 and Naruto's bond to Sasuke itself than her own feelings for Sasuke. I feel like it's been like this for a long time and Sakura's is sort of aware of it, but sort of not. She doesn't focus as much about her own feelings, but her issue is that her mind is somehow still programmed to think she still loves Sasuke so it does pop every now and then. She's not sad that Sasuke doesn't love her, but she gets hurt and sad both for T7 and herself because she wants Sasuke's acknowledgment. That instance in 675 was a combination of T7 being different and herself IMO.

 

And I dunno. I know Sakura has self-esteem issues sometimes and worries whether she's being useful or not but still. 678 was a combination of both, but it hurt more because Sasuke was the one who said it so harshly. Sakura looked too sad for me to believe otherwise.

Edited by xxRomanceGirlxx, 29 May 2014 - 02:24 PM.