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[catsi563]

close the tird one had hints that Sakuras feelings for Naruto were growing but still uncertian.

[Jenskott]

they havent relaly mentioned the third databook lately because hinatas barely mentioned in it, and Sakura is linked closer to naruto then anyone save Tsunade.

Why am I NOT surprised?

Was it the recent data book that had a relationship chart that showed Sakura was unsure how she felt about Naruto? Or was that something else entirely...?

If I remember correctly, the DB3's Sakura's profile stated she felt towards Sasuke admiration and a feeling similar to love, and she thought Naruto was an annoying kid; but after spending time together, and carrying out many missions together, she realized Naruto was the one had always supported her and understood her and cared for her. And she was trying understanding what she felt for him.

The third databook also stated Sakura used to have a crush on Sasuke.

I think the implications are obvious.

[Miss Soupy]

Why am I NOT surprised?



If I remember correctly, the DB3's Sakura's profile stated she felt towards Sasuke admiration and a feeling similar to love, and she thought Naruto was an annoying kid; but after spending time together, and carrying out many missions together, she realized Naruto was the one had always supported her and understood her and cared for her. And she was trying understanding what she felt for him.

The third databook also stated Sakura used to have a crush on Sasuke.

I think the implications are obvious.

Hm, what I'm thinking of wasn't just a profile of a character. There was a chart with different characters on it, and then arrows pointing to other characters, and it told the relationship between the characters. And I think for Sakura -> Naruto, it said she worried about him, but was unsure of how she really felt...

Wow, I didn't know the 3rd data book hinted Sakura might not feel the same about Sasuke. Interesting.

EDIT: Ok, I found it, it wasn't actually the relationship chart but I had been reading it at the time LOL.

From Sakura's chara page, "Naruto" section:
"Since when she was a child Sakura had always felt admiration and a feeling similar to love for Sasuke. Naruto was just an "annoying" boy who stood in the middle between Sakura and Sasuke and disturbed their relationship. But after completing many missions together with him, she looked back at the past and finally realized: when she was in trouble, when she was ready to give up on her life, the one who was always there, protecting her and encouraging her, was in fact that "annoying" boy, Naruto. What are her current feelings for Naruto...? Sakura still hasn't found an answer."

Edited by Miss Soupy, 29 September 2009 - 07:37 PM.

[Cupcake-chan]

Tch! Why can't she just figure it out already and make our lives easier? I mean, isn't she suposed to be the smart one in team 7? Kishi is only tryinng to get on our nervs, he, indeed, is building suspence. And it better be for a good reason, because recently I haven't had the pacients to sit there and read the manga, BECAUSE NOTHING INTERESTING IS GOING ON!!!

[Derock]

Tch! Why can't she just figure it out already and make our lives easier? I mean, isn't she suposed to be the smart one in team 7? Kishi is only tryinng to get on our nervs, he, indeed, is building suspence. And it better be for a good reason, because recently I haven't had the pacients to sit there and read the manga, BECAUSE NOTHING INTERESTING IS GOING ON!!!

Too bad. Please don't waste your post due to frustrations on the recent chapters. NaruSaku will become canon at the end however its not that important because romance isn't the key factor played in the plot, its more of a subplot. Right now the focus is the main plot is well, Sasuke and his need of vengeance against those whom oppose the Uchiha (in his words) and his path towards the darkness, not to mention Madara's plan of domination with the Akatsuki.

As much of this had said time and time again, the moments are more of teasers until the real deal. So be patient because it is a virtue.

[Jenskott]

EDIT: Ok, I found it, it wasn't actually the relationship chart but I had been reading it at the time LOL.

Here you go.

I don't remember where the line "used to have a crush on Sasuk" was stated, but it was a footnote below a Sakura's picture. Maybe it was an introductory mini-profile.

There was a lot of noise when Naruto had not arrow toward Sakura (nor Jiraiya, nor Iruka...), whereas Sakura had one arrow towards Sasuke labeled "like" and one towards Naruto labeled "worries about" (or that I think. I don't remember if it was a mistranslation or not). However, in the next databook, there was arrows from Naruto towards Sakura (clearly stating "love") and other characters, and Sakura's arrow towards Sasuke had dissappeared, so I guess that mini-databook completed the third one.

Tch! Why can't she just figure it out already and make our lives easier?

For the same reason Naruto didn't defeat Sasuke in the first chapter.

Kishi is only tryinng to get on our nervs, he, indeed, is building suspence.

Exactly. She can't figure it yet because then the "Will they or Won't they?" suspense would vanish, and maybe Kishimoto hasn't an adequate substitue replacing it.

I don't know why you asked that question if you could sort of figure out the -perfectly acceptable- answer.

Personally I don't mind reading about the happy engagement/marriage of two characters after the writer has gone through great lengths to have me emotionally invested in their relationship, but other people gets easily bored when one relationship becomes canon because they feel the romantic tension dissappears in the second both characters tell "I love you".

Too bad. Please don't waste your post due to frustrations on the recent chapters. NaruSaku will become canon at the end however its not that important because romance isn't the key factor played in the plot, its more of a subplot. Right now the focus is the main plot is well, Sasuke and his need of vengeance against those whom oppose the Uchiha (in his words) in his path towards the darkness, not to mention Madara's plan of domination with the Akatsuki.

As much of this had said time and time again, the moments are more of teasers until the real deal. So be paitient because it is a virtue.

Agreed, Derock. I don't get that frustration.

(I don't participate anymore in chapter's threads because, even if the last chapters odn't bore me, the comments and discussions DO)

Naruto/Sakura's relationship is a subplot, not the main plot. Kishimoto isn't obliged to write one NS moment in every and each chapter only because some fans want more romance (moreover, I'd bet many of them would get bored if he did). Only because nothing is happening right now between Naruto and Sakura you can't say NOTHING is happening.

Besides, as far as I'm concerned, NS fans have no reason to complain about a lack of moments. Compared with other couples, we are spoilt and pampered. SasuSaku? The last time Sakura showed she was clearly interested in Sasuke was three hundred chapters ago. SS fans have been desperately clinging to any ambiguous gesture or word could suggest she was still in love with him from then, and looking away when something hinted that was no longer the case and she had fallen in for Naruto. NaruHina? NH fans had to wait three hundred thirty nine chapters before seeing another serious conversation between Naruto and Hinata. And it was a monologue. They EXPECTED NH development started at last. They expected new scenes... and they have got nothing. Not only that, but Hinata has faded in the background again, and NS has got further development.

Thus, what are we whining about?

[Shadowmoon~]

Tch! Why can't she just figure it out already and make our lives easier? I mean, isn't she suposed to be the smart one in team 7? Kishi is only tryinng to get on our nervs, he, indeed, is building suspence. And it better be for a good reason, because recently I haven't had the pacients to sit there and read the manga, BECAUSE NOTHING INTERESTING IS GOING ON!!!

I feel your pain, Cupcake, but there's no need to get frustrated, ok?

*patpat*

We all believe that NaruSaku would be canon, and we should just wait for that too, since, as Derock-kun said, we are now focusing on Sasuke in the summit.

Maybe ... in the next arc, we'll be focusing on Naruto and Sakura!

[Froot]

An arguement on the Viz forums, brought to you by me.

Froot:

"People like you really bother me. You have awful arguements. Sakura hits Naruto alot, thus she HATES HIM!!!!111!ONEONE

First of all, she doesn't really hit him that much. What you see is filler, omake, and movies, where she does hit him a lot, but only because the animators think it's funny. You know how many times she's hit him in the manga so far?

Four times.

Don't think it's okay to overexaggerate for your convenience. Besides, all those times she hit him, he well deserved it.

Another arguement I saw you use:

"N-Naruto-kun deserves better than Sakura-san, Who only beats on him and openly calls him an idiot. T-That's not love!! Besides she said it herself.. "

Said by yourself.

So what, she doesn't love Naruto because she tries to keep him in line? Tsunade is brutal to the kid; she beat him up once. But even you can't deny that Tsunade loves Naruto. You think Hinata should end up with Naruto because she doesn't hit him? Because she just goes along with everything he says? Someone like that won't be able to keep him out of trouble, like Sakura always does.

Besides, Idiot is an endearing term to Sakura. Do you read the manga at all, or do you just tune out?

Another thing you posted:

"Do i look more womanly "

Response:

"You Haven't changed a bit "

"then she punched Naruto-kun through the ground... "

Ohhhh, so Naruto was calling Sakura ugly then, is what you're trying to say?

That's not what happened at all. He meant it in a good way. You know Naruto, he's clueless when it comes to women. Naruto loves Sakura, you think he'd purposely insult her? If so, you should not even call yourself a Naruto fan, since you don't know the first thing about the guy.

And don't bend reality. Sakura didn't hit Naruto because he said she didn't change. She hit him because he was being a pervert with Konohamaru - And he deserved to be hit. Don't get me wrong, I love the guy; but sometimes, he's gets out of line. That's why Sakura's there, to keep him in check.

"Naruhina and Sasusaku because Naruto and Sakura have a sibling relationship its not in the boyfriend girlfriend kind of way"

I hate this arguement. First of all, it's not a sibling relationship. Does a brother ask a sister out on dates and try to peek at her? Does a sister ask her brother if she looks more womanly?

If you're suggesting incest, maybe.

"Sakura has treated Naruto badly over the years"

Doesn't she show regret and guilt about that? Besides, she started thinking differently about him IN CHAPTER 3. Remember? Or did you miss that part too? She sat on the bench, and thought "Maybe I could start being a little... nicer?"

Then later, during the Zabuza arc. And again, during the chunin exams. And after that, when she found Naruto saved her.

You need to stop leaving crucial things out for the convenience of your pairing. It goes to show that NaruHina is only canon is HALF THE MANGA IS CUT OUT.



"Quiet and Loud
Dark and Light
Evil and Good
Opposites attract!!!!"

Quiet and loud. What a fun conversation.

Dark and light. What? Naruto's dark?

Evil and good. What?! Naruto's suddenly evil?!

Opposites attract. Yeah, if you're a magnet. How are polar opposites even going to hold an interesting conversation? Don't bring physics into this.

"So? he might have just been hiding his feelings."

I'm not even going to touch that.

Kudos, for making me laugh.


"Naruto and Hinata are like perfect couples. I think Sakura is, in somewhere, is Naruto's sister, because anybody never see what Sakura's mother look like. And Naruto and Sasuke are like best friend. "

I almost cried. Really? Honestly and truly?

Sakura's mother is alive. She said in her conversation with Sasuke that "Her parents would kill her if she acted like that."

Parents.

Parents

Sakura and Naruto don't have the same parents.



So, I think I've made my point. Your arguements are poorly thought out and ludicrous. Reply if you want to attempt to argue; But make sure your bring some intelligent arguements this time, okay?

Have a great day!"




Awaiting reply. And sorry for the spaces. The formatting over there is weird...

Edited by Froot, 01 October 2009 - 04:08 PM.

[Miss Soupy]

I think you are probably wasting your time arguing against a NH fan like that, Froot XD Most sensible NH fans wouldn't make dumb/obviously wrong arguments like that. In fact, the most a NH fan can really argue is that there is possibility that Naruto could fall in love with Hinata. And usually this is said along side Sakura possibly still loving Sasuke. And really, could one happen without the other? I'm skeptical that it could. NH fans need Sakura to still love Sasuke for their pairing to work, imo. The only reason Naruto stalled in trying to win over Sakura is because he is sensitive about her own feelings. If she didn't love Sasuke and the promise was taken care of, he would be right back into the game X) We're rooting for you Naruto~

[Jenskott]

Maybe ... in the next arc, we'll be focusing on Naruto and Sakura!

THIS arc is focusing on Naruto and Sakura. That's because Naruto's feelings were brought up again, and Sakura got forced to acknowledge them.

I'm not sure of there will be another arc. Too many things are happening.

Froot,

This kind or aguments don't help my migraine at all. IMO, you did a good work refuting his/her laughable points, but the first line stood out in particular:

People like you really bother me.

Why? Why Froot doesn't share your opinion neither he bows to your wisdom and knowledge?

You should know people shall not always agree with whatever you tell, think or believe. People has different opinions. It's called real life. I know some people may get angry or offended if they hear some opinion they disagree with and find offensive, but it happens the whole time, so we shouldn't allow ourselves getting bothered cause it. It's waste.

If you can't deal with it, then you should lock yourself in your house and throw your computer, TV, telephone, radio... out of the window in order to isolate yourself off those evil, pesky, bothersome, different opinions.

And gouge your eyes and destroy your eardrums just in case.

You should be fine, as long as you don't read any Braille books.

You have awful arguements.

Said by someone can't even spell "arguement" out fine, and has no arguments of his/her own and repeats whaetever he has heard of other NS-haters without pondering about it or verifying it instead.

The remainder is the same crap: Sakura hits Naruto, therefore she hates him, Sakura mistreats Naruto, Naruto and Sakura's relationship is sibling-like (which should rule out she hates him and mistreats him, shouldn't it?), opposites attract, Naruto is secretly in love with Hinata, Naruto and Hinata is the perfect couple!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!... of course, that crap includes ignoring whatever that person didn't like, and tweaking and twisting scenes, and making up stuff.

YAWN.

However it was amusing when that person claimed Sakura has said that isn't love. Sakura has said Naruto is in love with her! Oh, and the examples he/she has used in order to prove opposites attract. Quiet and Loud? Light and Darkness? GOOD AND EVIL? For the God's sake!

By the way, the second part of that statement NH fans always conveniently forget is "but they don't stick together" or "similar stick together". People are NOT magnets. Moreover, Naruto hasn't shown attraction towards quiet people (before Hinata showed she was a no-quitter type, he thought she was a weirdo), wheras he has shown being attracted towards people like him.

And this last line...

"Naruto and Hinata are like perfect couples. I think Sakura is, in somewhere, is Naruto's sister, because anybody never see what Sakura's mother look like. And Naruto and Sasuke are like best friend. "

Nothing -NOTHING- in this paragraph has nothing to do with anything. First this person states Naruto and Hinata are the perfect coupleS (without even trying reasoning why it is. Or they are. What that plural is owed to?). Then he/she claims Naruto and Sakura are actual siblings (I'll eviscerate, I'm sorry, tackle that in one second). And then, out of nowhere, she claims Naruto and Sasuke are best friends which has absolutely nothing to do with NH or NS or what she was telling!

Naruto and Sakura siblings? Come on. I have read in several places that rabble by some NH fans. It's fueled by despair (they really don't know what else coming up with) and not only it has no basis but the manga refutes it completely.

Naruto is orphan. The manga states both of his parents are dead.

Sakura's parents are alive. She said so herself in the third chapter.

I'll let you figure it out.

Moreover, Kishimoto has said in one of his PROVEN interviews he hasn't given much thought to Sakura's backstory because she's supposed to be a normal girl. Hence, her mother is NOT Kushina (that thought hasn't occurred to Kishimoto at all), and she isn't Naruto's long-lost sister, adopted by the Haruno family. She is a normal girl (so it's likely her parents are civilian).

"I think Sakura is Naruto's sister because we have never seen her mother." Gee, then I think Sakura is Ino's sister because we have never seen her mother. Or Shikamaru's sister. Or Neji's. Or Lee. Or Ten Ten's. The overwhelming, available evidence and story's internal logic indicate otherwise, but we haven't seen Sakura's mother so any female has ever shown up in the manga may possibly be her.

Funny like that person claimed Froot's arguments are awful. His/hers arguments made no sense and had no basis.

Besides, I don't buy that "Naruto and Sakura are an awful couple because she hits him and mistreats him the whole time" argument. And I don't buy it because they pretend they care for Naruto with that argument, they pretend they want NaruHina for Naruto's sake. Nonetheless, their behavior after chapter 450 proves that's a lie. After that chapter, NH fans everywhere are bashing Naruto, calling him a heartless bastard, an idiot... for not loving Hinata.

They don't want NH because they care for Naruto and they want him becoming happy.

They want NH because they are HINATA fans, they idolize her and they want she gets what she thinks she wants. They want she becomes happy, and to the Hell with Naruto's feelings, wants, needs or desires. He's a shallow, dimwitted fool knows nothing about true love, and his only purpose/usefulness/destine is kowtowing to Hinata-sama and serving her, and if he refuses he's an blithering idiot.

Then again, it's a wholly one-sided pairing, so what did you expect?

[Froot]

I think you are probably wasting your time arguing against a NH fan like that, Froot XD Most sensible NH fans wouldn't make dumb/obviously wrong arguments like that.

I know, but their post was just so stupid, I couldn't help but say something. For God's sake, I made an account on Viz today JUST so I could reply. I know it's a waste of time, because "reason" is beyond that particular fan's mental capacity, but it would have killed me not to reply.

GOOD AND EVIL?!?!
Really. That just hurts. That's actually the phrase that got to me, I think. I couldn't stand it anymore while they rambled on about darkness and magnets and hitting and whatnot.

Besides, I don't buy that "Naruto and Sakura are an awful couple because she hits him and mistreats him the whole time" argument. And I don't buy it because they pretend they care for Naruto with that argument, they pretend they want NaruHina for Naruto's sake. Nonetheless, their behavior after chapter 450 proves that's a lie. After that chapter, NH fans everywhere are bashing Naruto, calling him a heartless bastard, an idiot... for not loving Hinata.

They don't want NH because they care for Naruto and they want him becoming happy.

They want NH because they are HINATA fans, they idolize her and they want she gets what she thinks she wants. They want she becomes happy, and to the Hell with Naruto's feelings, wants, needs or desires. He's a shallow, dimwitted fool knows nothing about true love, and his only purpose/usefulness/destine is kowtowing to Hinata-sama and serving her, and if he refuses he's an blithering idiot.

Then again, it's a wholly one-sided pairing, so what did you expect?

Amazing. This is what I've always thought, but could never articulate. It's a total double-standard. They're over here, bashing Sakura, calling her awful, then suddenly saying things like "But she's really hardworking and deserves Sasuke," just for their own convenience. Just for NaruHina and SasuSaku. At least we NaruSaku supporters acknowledge our faults. Some NH and SS fans just bend things to their will, like my good NH fan buddy here, (who claims that Sakura hates Naruto because he didn't call her hot, basically.)

Edited by Froot, 01 October 2009 - 04:06 PM.

[Sherry]

"Quiet and Loud
Dark and Light
Evil and Good
Opposites attract!!!!"

Come on, Naruto isn't the only guy who's loud. there's..Kiba?

Is it for NaruSasu?

who's the evil one?

Naruto and Sakura have obvious opposites. they were told by iruka when the team 7 reached the tower at the chunin exams and opened the scrolls.

"Naruto and Hinata are like perfect couples. I think Sakura is, in somewhere, is Naruto's sister, because anybody never see what Sakura's mother look like. And Naruto and Sasuke are like best friend. "

you don't know how was Kushina after naruto's birth. i feel pity for you because what you said is just something-unclear-based. so, maybe you wrote that just for your...satisfication? coz there's no strong evidences you told.

hee hee just joining a little

[Miss Soupy]

It's all because NH and SS is largely a team effort XD They know they need each other for their one pairing to work, so they have to support each other. (even if some NH fans don't like Sakura, even if some SS fans don't like Hinata, you can bet they will argue for one another). NS fans don't have this tag team setup, they must support their pairing through manga proof.

Edited by Miss Soupy, 01 October 2009 - 04:15 PM.

[Froot]

Come on, Naruto isn't the only guy who's loud. there's..Kiba?

Is it for NaruSasu?

who's the evil one?

Naruto and Sakura have obvious opposites. they were told by iruka when the team 7 reached the tower at the chunin exams and opened the scrolls.



you don't know how was Kushina after naruto's birth. i feel pity for you because what you said is just something-unclear-based. so, maybe you wrote that just for your...satisfication? coz there's no strong evidences you told.

hee hee just joining a little

Feel free!

Yes, Naruto and Sakura do have opposite qualities, but their similarities outweigh them. With them, their differences can be beneficial. Smart and Dumb. Naruto doesn't have the most... common sense of the ninja in Konoha, so Sakura can tell him when he is being an idiot. And sometimes, Sakura is inspired by Naruto's will, making her stronger. Granted, everyone is inspired by Naruto's strength, but it's a hell of a lot better than "Loud" and "Quiet."

"but naruto is the only 1 who can bring hinata out of her shell!"

Honestly, as someone who can relate somewhat to Hinata, I would much rather see her bring her own self out of that shell and forging her own path. It only shows that NH fans want Hinata to be a weak, dependent, needy child, just for the sake of the pairing.

Psh. And They call themselves "Hinata fans."

It's all because NH and SS is largely a team effort XD They know they need each other for their one pairing to work, so they have to support each other. (even if some NH fans don't like Sakura, even if some SS fans don't like Hinata, you can bet they will argue for one another). NS fans don't have this tag team setup, they must support their pairing through manga proof.

Yes, exactly. One can't happen without the other, so they team up. Thing is, we don't need to team up, not even with KibaHina or SasuHina or whatever. We've got the manga on our side.

Edited by Froot, 01 October 2009 - 04:37 PM.

[pinkheartsyellowstars]

It's all because NH and SS is largely a team effort XD They know they need each other for their one pairing to work, so they have to support each other. (even if some NH fans don't like Sakura, even if some SS fans don't like Hinata, you can bet they will argue for one another). NS fans don't have this tag team setup, they must support their pairing through manga proof.

I agree SS and NH need each other, and with that, they thought they can withstand the power of NS

I would like to share my recent debate:
I was on a debate on a NH shipper recently and i post something that somewhat a crack pairing facts to counter his/her crack facts about NS, and my question goes this way, "what if there a develpoment for SASUHINA to become canon?" there is a possibility because Sasuke or Hinata never interact each other".and the NH shipper response.. Sasuke doesnt like the weak people and I WAS...

He/she really admits Hinata is weak even he/she is a NH shipper

[Froot]

I agree SS and NH need each other, and with that, they thought they can withstand the power of NS

I would like to share my recent debate:
I was on a debate on a NH shipper recently and i post something that somewhat a crack pairing facts to counter his/her crack facts about NS, and my question goes this way, "what if there a develpoment for SASUHINA to become canon?" there is a possibility because Sasuke or Hinata never interact each other".and the NH shipper response.. Sasuke doesnt like the weak people and I WAS...

He/she really admits Hinata is weak even he/she is a NH shipper

Hypocrites, the lot of 'em.

Here are some more arguments you guys can destroy.

"im going to say Naruhina is better. I think Sakura still has feelings for Sasuke, which she will always have. Personally I think IF she likes Naruto its because Sasuke isn't there anymore. If Sasuke never chose to leave her feelings for him would still be expressed. I think IF she likes Naruto its becasue she is settling for him. "

Have at it

[Jenskott]

Amazing. This is what I've always thought, but could never articulate. It's a total double-standard.

Thank you, but it isn't so amazing. I simply tell it how I see it is.

By the way, do you have realized how they are always telling if Hinata doesn't hook up with her childhood crush she WILL suffer? And how it is unfair she suffers?

And do you remember her face when Sakura was hugging Naruto? She was smiling! And her smile wasn't sad at all (unlike Naruto's smile when he saw Sakura hugging Sasuke).

I find hilarious how much they idolized her; yet, they think she is a so weak a rejection WILL crush her like a fragile blossom.

For the... She's a kunoichi! She is stronger than that! And Naruto, Sakura, Lee, Ino, Jiraiya... have been rejected and they haven't died cause a heart-stroke!

And think how much have suffered Naruto, Sasuke, Itachi, Gaara, Shikamaru... Even villains like Orochimaru or Nagato. I don't understand because Hinata must be spared of suffering, when they have suffered infinitely more.

"im going to say Naruhina is better.

And then, why didn't you started explaining why Naruto and Hinata are a better couple? Why did you talking about SasuSaku and Sakura instead? Why did you never offer arguments regarding Naruto and Hinata? You HAVE arguments, haven't you?

I think Sakura still has feelings for Sasuke, which she will always have.

No. You WANT thinking she still has feelings and she will always have. There's one difference.

Since she got rejected, Sakura's feelings have been depicted in a completely ambiguous way. She has never stated or thought again she was in love with Sasuke. And she never thinks of Sasuke unless she's thinking of Naruto AND Sasuke or Team 7.

Besides, Sasuke rejected her stating he cared only for revenge, and he needed power for fulfilling that revenge. He left Naruto and her, betrayed the town, almost got Naruto and several friends of hers killed, joined an enemy village, tried killing them Naruto and her (twice!), replaced them with a new team and joined a terrorist organization is trying capturing the person whom she has vowed protecting and turned her hometown in a lot. And the last time we saw her, she wanted telling Naruto what the ex-gennin were planning killing Sasuke and they should LET them.

Whereas I admit it's possible she's in love with him -and I admit that possibility because I refuse being a blind shipper only sees what is convenient to his/her obsession-, I don't think it's impossible those feelings have already faded out after all what Sasuke has done and intended doing.

Please, tell me you aren't one of the shippers claimed Naruto wasn't already in love with Sakura.

Because, you'll see, Naruto HAS showed over and again he was still in love with Sakura through the entire Part II.

Personally I think IF she likes Naruto its because Sasuke isn't there anymore. If Sasuke never chose to leave her feelings for him would still be expressed.

I'll repeat myself: tell me you aren't one of the shippers claimed Naruto wasn't already in love with Sakura.

Rubbish. You are ignoring the main storytelling rule: If the creator wants something happens, it WILL happen. If Kishimoto intended Sakura fell in love with Naruto, she would fall in love with him, regardless what Sasuke did.

Besides, do you remember chapter 3? Do you remember Sakura telling: "I hope I can treat Naruto better from now on"? And do you remember the Wave Country Arc? Do you remember Sakura thinking: "What is this sensation I'm feeling? Since when Naruto...?"?

From her first appearance, Kishimoto has showed Sakura was developing growing feelings towards Naruto. If you actually read the manga, you'll see she was developing a strong relationship with Naruto long before Sasuke left. If I'm right about the nature of her feelings, she was already falling in love with Naruto. Therefore, she could have choosen Naruto even if Sasuke remained in the town.

I'll correct myself: there's not "she could" in this situation. If Kishimoto wanted, she would have.

I think IF she likes Naruto its becasue she is settling for him. "

Again, that's what you want believing.

The manga hints she's been growing feelings towards Naruto since the beginning. The third databook itself states she wasn't really in love with Sasuke and she began developing feelings towards Naruto through constant interactions because he was the one had always understood her and supported her, and she's trying understanding the nature of those feelings.

So NO, if she likes Naruto, it isn't because Sasuke left and she's settling for Naruto. She likes Naruto because he's always been there for her. And she isn't settling for him, she's trying figuring out what she feels for him (if she was settling for him, she wouldn't need figuring out anything).

I confess I don't understand you: Why don't you want admitting Sakura may have fallen in love with Naruto because Naruto? Why do you refuse considering with so much stubborness she can be genuinely in love with Naruto? Don't you believe Naruto may be capable to earn Sakura's love and in fact he may have won her over because he's a nice, kind boy always is fighting for her and supporting her? Do you think so poorly of him?

And if you thought Naruto had fallen out of love with Sakura -despite the huge amount of hints or moments suggesting or stating otherwise-, why do you want believing Sakura is still in love with Sasuke -despite there're no moments stating that-?

I think you think that because you don't care for Naruto. You only care for Hinata. You want Hinata gets her prize, and Naruto is forced to choose her. Hence, you don't want believing Naruto is capable to seduce Sakura. You don't want believing Sakura is genuinely in love with him. You want eliminating possibilities in order to for Naruto to date Hinata whether he wants or not.

[catsi563]

Ive slaughtered those arguments before and so wont rehash them here.

I will however remind us that there is another pairing in this debate that scares the living bejeebus out of NaruHina fans and SasuSaku fans and that NaruSaku fans clearly underestimate.

SasuKarin.

yes thats right. its a pairing that Kishimoto has given serious development to and far more then people think. In point of fact the development its gotten for its very short run of appearances rivals in some ways our own NaruSaku development.

Still people who hate Karin ((laughingly for much the same reason they hate Sakura)) dismiss the pairing out right ((again for the same lameduck reasons they dismiss NaruSaku)) and fail to understand the core development of the pairing.

After reading an Essay over at the SasuKarin FC on NF. I have to admit I'm even more sold on SasuKarin then I was before.

And that is a key issue that will come into play with our favortie pairing as well.

[Jenskott]

Ive slaughtered those arguments before and so wont rehash them here.

I will however remind us that there is another pairing in this debate that scares the living bejeebus out of NaruHina fans and SasuSaku fans and that NaruSaku fans clearly underestimate.

SasuKarin.

yes thats right. its a pairing that Kishimoto has given serious development to and far more then people think. In point of fact the development its gotten for its very short run of appearances rivals in some ways our own NaruSaku development.

Still people who hate Karin ((laughingly for much the same reason they hate Sakura)) dismiss the pairing out right ((again for the same lameduck reasons they dismiss NaruSaku)) and fail to understand the core development of the pairing.

After reading an Essay over at the SasuKarin FC on NF. I have to admit I'm even more sold on SasuKarin then I was before.

And that is a key issue that will come into play with our favortie pairing as well.

Believe me, I'm not understimating it. Personally I'd like Sasuke ends up alone, but I think if he gets together with someone, that person will be Karin.

I don't use to mention the pairing in pro-NS arguments because NH shippers are unable to support their ship without throwing SS in the debate, and vice versa. I don't wish to commit the same mistake.

Anyway, when Karin first showed up, I didn't give SasuKarin much thought because I didn't think Kishimoto would bother in developing the pairing.

However I raised one eyebrow when she berated him after his and Deidara's battle. No one of his fangirls had openly criticized before (unless you count Sakura calling him a coward) and still planning humping him.

And I smirked evilly when Sasuke asked her staying behind, explaining he needed facing Itachi alone. He never treated Sakura gently, neither he told her "Please", nor he gave her explanations.

And then we got the KillerBee fight.

I don't support the pairing because I think it helps NaruSaku, I don't give a damn if they end up together or not, but then I thought it was possible Kishimoto planned getting them together after all.

It isnt' unheard of the main character's rival gets together with a secondary girl shows up late in the story and is tailor-made to be his girlfriend.

[Derock]

Wow...

I missed all of the good parts... shame on me!!! DX

Anyways, we shouldn't have bring those arguments back because we had already explained the answers before. But they won't listen. They will continue to be in denial until Kishimoto set the bomb with a NaruSaku kiss scene (hell, let's bring the children at the end as well, shall we?)

As much as I said before, this isn't no Soap Opera where Character A loves Character B but then breaks up with that person and goes to Character C, D, whatever... didn't I just said romance is not in the main genres of the series?

Many of these arguments are just childish, (I mean I think they came from children), many would just skim through and watch the pretty pictures but then again, during that age we should learn comprehension and interpretation.

Another thing is what Jenskott was telling us about the Hinata worshipping. Its practically getting so annoying to me that I'm about start hating on the poor girl and she's just a minor character, a simple MINOR character!!! And the treatment they are giving on poor Sakura because of her personality, development and looks (yes I seen those arguments), and she's main female lead of the series... and they just don't give a damn about Naruto, only they wanted him to do is to look at their option only. Same thing with SasuSaku, execpt many exaggerate Sasuke's character from what I see.

I know everyone is entitles to their own opinions but it gets out of hand when they start to get picky... oh, I just remember, everyone want things their way and they are the authors.

Now for SasuKarin, yeah that basically getting there towards the hate as well for the SS and NH but I hardly couldn't see as much, maybe because of Sasuke's crazy addiction for power and vengeance that was all over him while I'm reading.

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... and look it here, we're on our 100th Page!