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[Gravenimage]

We're almost reaching a 1000 pages of the forum and it wasn't that long that this thread was opened.

[HauntedCake]

Just caught up on last 5 pages...

I hope Kishi answers the pairing war soon...

IMO NH can't happen unless SS happens, due to Naruto. He'll only give up on Sakura if she god forbid still wanted Sasuke after everything. Naruto would probably then accept he will never be able to make her fully love him.

[PhenixElite]

Just caught up on last 5 pages...

I hope Kishi answers the pairing war soon...

IMO NH can't happen unless SS happens, due to Naruto. He'll only give up on Sakura if she god forbid still wanted Sasuke after everything. Naruto would probably then accept he will never be able to make her fully love him.

Well, Naruto wants sakura to be happy, so if shes happy with him he will be with her in the end. It all depends on sakuras feelings. So as you said NH cant happen as long as SS doenst happen.

Imagine Naruto and Hinata as couple in the end but sakura wants to be with naruto. Sakura wouldnt be happy i guess and that would go against narutos wish to make her happy no matter what.

So as said its all about sakura now and if we follow the story till now, it looks like sakura will be happy with naruto in the end.

[Verilance]

Just caught up on last 5 pages...

I hope Kishi answers the pairing war soon...

There is no pairing war... Only fans who misinterpret the manga

[HauntedCake]

There is no pairing war... Only fans who misinterpret the manga

Hahaha us fans made the war

[redragon88]

I think you're over analyzing things

I'm not over analyzing anything. I just noticed a coincidence and pointed it out. It's supposed to be funny, not some sort of weird evidence.

Not every little comment in this thread is meant to be some evidence.

[Gravenimage]

There is no pairing war... Only fans who misinterpret the manga

This^. If fans read the manga with a non-pairing view they can clearly see the pairing Kishi has been developing since the beginning. Fans who misinterpret the manga because they're over idolizing a character putting it on a pedestal for every little things it does is what is keeping this war alive.

[AzureWaters]

Kishi answers the pairing war soon...

IMO NH can't happen unless SS happens, due to Naruto. He'll only give up on Sakura if she god forbid still wanted Sasuke after everything. Naruto would probably then accept he will never be able to make her fully love him.

Actually I believe that any Naruto-centric pairings will be resolved before Sasuke's or Sakura's (if she's not included with Naruto).

NaruSaku or NaruHina will be canon or almost canon before SasuSaku or other Sasuke pairings.

[Sakamaki Izayoi]

Actually I believe that any Naruto-centric pairings will be resolved before Sasuke's or Sakura's (if she's not included with Naruto).

NaruSaku or NaruHina will be canon or almost canon before SasuSaku or other Sasuke pairings.

Justm y opinion but the only character who does have romance conflicts it's Sakura, she will be the first to resolve romance issues because it seems that her character is doing that often lately(which has a lot of development on this department), she's a character who makes the romance subplot go forward(giving hints that she may love someome else, conflicting thoughts, and etc...), this is the reason why i believe that either NaruSaku or SasuSaku will be resolved first.

Edited by Dαrkrєrsŧ, 14 May 2013 - 11:24 AM.

[Inferno180]

Still just falls back to 3 simple things that give NS the main advantage:

1. Most development, varying interactions both good and bad, and mutual growth. Also all tied in as a part of the story.
2. The parallels.
3. Naruto does not give up, if he actually did move on from Sakura, this would hurt his character and just make anything else like NH look even weaker.

Not to mention, Hinata is unaware of Naruto's feelings for Sakura and how Sakura knows of Naruto's love for her. Not to mention the Sasuke factor. Sasuke is the main cause of action between Naruto and Sakura in part 2, Hinata to have been out of this loop for so long, many fans just expect her to somehow just conveniently understand and know what to do when Sasuke enters the picture. In a truthful nutshell in the manga, we can say Sasuke does not even know Hinata exists basically.

As for that chp 450 silence, well Hinata's not jealous, just happy for him. As I said before, kishi could give a simple ending for Hinata with her just being happy for Naruto or learning and accepting his love for Sakura, she could see it too. The main reason for NS is still just that, more screentime which means more ending development is needed on the mains. Not to mention Sakura needing to turn away from Sasuke, this takes priority over Hinata's feelings for Naruto. Because Sasuke was Sakura's weakness for so long and its been a negative trait, she needs to overcome him, basically she can forgive him by Naruto, but for Sakura its simply honest maturity, realizing all she wanted was always with her kinda like Naruto always loved her. If Sakura never turns away from Sasuke, not only does that ruin her development and purpose for the story, it would be the biggest waste of development potential for any character and by all means, would make all the female characters look much worse. We expect a full circle development with Naruto and Sasuke, opposite of when the first became team 7, so why should Sakura stay in a static position? That would just stink. Only way I can see part of Sakura's full development is her loving Naruto and only being friends with Sasuke. Its insane how many ways a NS result could come and still make perfect sense within the story, be it by her own realization, some influence by Tsunade (or final message), or even Sasuke himself giving her a speech like Kakashi did to Rin, save this time unlike team Minato, Sakura herself could be one to give Naruto the love Rin was never able to give Obito. You could literally go insane making ways for NS to happen this late in the story and yet many of them are still in character and within the realm of possibility. Its as I said before, NS is like the journey, NH and SS were just destinations. NH and SS were much more present in part 1, with NS as a minor one but seen as friendship. But NS gained more and more ground as part 2 went on, it was basically the unexpected close growth Naruto and Sakura never realized they would have that brought them as close as they are. NS ran along with the story and its highly involved in it. I don't see any of this with NH or SS. NH is still just mainly encouragement, I think the way it ends is by the one who use to idolize another learns to stand on their own. SS is just a plot device which kept going more and more to a form of antagonism, now its time or Sakura to overcome her weakness and end it by forgiving him.

I seriously cannot see how NH or even SS could have priority over NS. Sakura, as a main if anything, her development itself is a priority over anything Hinata or NH could involve. Basically no matter what though, NH would still be weak, rushed, and just too short lacking a past constant development compared to NS.

Nothing NH can do from this point forward can change that, the fact it has missed out on so much in the past. There are even more NS moments than Hinata even appears, this is one major aspect that is still not a good case for NH either.

[HauntedCake]

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"I know this won't happen because of Zelda???" dafuq?

[Gravenimage]

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"I know this won't happen because of Zelda???" dafuq?

played enough Zelda and Mario games to know that this won't ever happen , still like the presentation you made for it though, Not bad haha

~S.Q

I copied and paste the comment that got my attention the most and bold the important part. Lol I seriously can't believe he compares NS to video games that were originally created in the 80's. Now I'm a huge Mario and Zelda fan and I can tell you in a heartbeat it is nothing like Naruto the logic I see to compare a manga pairing to video game characters like these one is just ridiculous. First of all I have NEVER seen the pairing of Mario and Peach or Link and Zelda happening why??? Because they DON'T HAVE DEVELOPMENT, you only play the game but the story doesn't bring any development between the two characters that will bring them close to a romantic level. In Mario's case you beat many levels where you squash evil look mushrooms, step on turtle shells, get the golden star and defeat an evil dragon rescuing the princes now where the hell is the development in that??? Just because he save Peach it doesn't mean they're going to get together. It's the same thing with Zelda get through the levels, fight Ganon and resce Zelda how is that development for a pairing? Saving a princes isn't enough to make the pairings canon. These games when it comes to saving the princess are based on fairy tales and Dinsey movies where the prince saves the princess and they kiss without knowing a thing of the person. This is basically be the same in Mari/Peach and Link/Zelda. I will leave it like that because I have to facepalm at his comment.

[Inferno180]

played enough Zelda and Mario games to know that this won't ever happen , still like the presentation you made for it though, Not bad haha

~S.Q

I copied and paste the comment that got my attention the most and bold the important part. Lol I seriously can't believe he compares NS to video games that were originally created in the 80's. Now I'm a huge Mario and Zelda fan and I can tell you in a heartbeat it is nothing like Naruto the logic I see to compare a manga pairing to video game characters like these one is just ridiculous. First of all I have NEVER seen the pairing of Mario and Peach or Link and Zelda happening why??? Because they DON'T HAVE DEVELOPMENT, you only play the game but the story doesn't bring any development between the two characters that will bring them close to a romantic level. In Mario's case you beat many levels where you squash evil look mushrooms, step on turtle shells, get the golden star and defeat an evil dragon rescuing the princes now where the hell is the development in that??? Just because he save Peach it doesn't mean they're going to get together. It's the same thing with Zelda get through the levels, fight Ganon and resce Zelda how is that development for a pairing? Saving a princes isn't enough to make the pairings canon. These games when it comes to saving the princess are based on fairy tales and Dinsey movies where the prince saves the princess and they kiss without knowing a thing of the person. This is basically be the same in Mari/Peach and Link/Zelda. I will leave it like that because I have to facepalm at his comment.

All we should go by is the manga, and luckily there are a good amount of tender moments between Naruto and Sakura.

[六道仙人]

Mario? Zelda??? WHAT KIND OF STUPID PEOPLE ARE OUT THERE?!

Edited by 六道仙人, 14 May 2013 - 12:31 PM.

[Shadow1275]

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"I know this won't happen because of Zelda???" dafuq?

So Naruto is just like Mario and Zelda???

[Gravenimage]

I know people its utterly ridiculous I prefer they compare it to Twilight then video games like Mario and Zelda. Let's all calm down and get back on topic.

[ladyannelise]

i'd like to believe that T7 will be able to achieve their dreams.
Naruto on becoming Hokage - no doubt about that. it will definitely happen.
Sasuke in rebuilding his clan - well, that won't be hard; like it or not, he's supposed to be the hot guy.
and then there's Sakura,. she's a bit difficult because her goal of becoming stronger is not for herself alone and mostly centered on others, but at the time they were asked what they like, it was clear that like any other girls, she wanted love.
this is why i believe that if there's any end pairing, the half of that couple would be Sakura.. Kishi did said that there would be atleast one end pairing right?

[Inferno180]

One thing that continues to amaze me to no end is the claims that NaruSaku is dead or its just a red herring. Are these people honestly serious?

Lets look at it like this:

1. If NaruSaku really did die in 469, then why do we get the notion of Kushina being practically the past generation Sakura after Tsunade? Why is there a freaking filler that even explains why he fell in love with her and still does? We even have openings after the 5 kage summit showing him interested in Sakura, we even have RtN showing a lot of their friendship. Seriously, we have stuff like the filler taking place after the 5 kage summit saying he still loves her, its not canon but then why keep giving notions of him loving her then? I mean why bother if NaruSaku really did die? There are tons of reasons for Naruto to still love Sakura, mainly the aspect of not giving up and we know his merits for loving Sakura even in the manga, because of the promise and both ways from both the manga and non-canon ep 235, what is canon is what Naruto stated about her happiness being all that matters. Simply, he puts Sakura before himself most of the time (and don't forget Sakura has put Naruto above everything a few times too). Naruto giving up or no longer loving Sakura would simply just be a contradiction to Naruto himself as he once said, "I never give up or go back on my word, if I did I wouldn't be true to myself." This quote yes, from another filler ep 188, but guess what? It still falls in line with his canon outlook, he made that vow ever since the ambush by the demon brothers all the way back in the land of waves arc. It still makes no sense for Naruto to give up or not love Sakura simply due to his own character design (like part of his personality is based on real Japanese kitsune folklore, this includes never breaking a promise, pulling pranks, taking the form of a beautiful woman via sexy jutsu) and just for other general story reasons, namely the promise is part of his own desire to bring Sasuke back and it makes no sense either for him to merely not forgive Sakura when she told him herself she was worried, Sai told him himself about how Sakura felt it was all for Naruto's sake and Sai himself said he felt partly guilty. Naruto knows why Sakura did it and understood the pain of why she did it, with Sai saying its also my fault she came to do what she did, so why would Naruto not forgive her? Why would he stop loving her after learning why she did it for him? Suffered in a similar way like him? That just makes no sense by this claim. Others say he forgave her but no longer loves her, this argument is even harder to present! He no longer loves her but just wants to remain friends? Seriously? After all this? Please explain how Naruto has to suddenly love Hinata then, give a merit of why he realizes he should love her, we learn why he struggles with Sakura, its all due to his love for her, please explain this for Hinata. Seriously this first claim is just too ridiculous when there are logical reasons to serve as an answer to this until we get a direct one. Otherwise, right now it can be assumed canonwise that Naruto still loves Sakura, there is just too much for it. I mean I still just laugh when its all this other stuff is to let us down easy for NH to become canon, this brings me to my next point.

2. NaruSaku is just a red herring, I sereiously crack up at this notion, okay so all this stuff in the series is just a red herring, to get us so focused and so set on it for NaruSaku to not happen? Okay imagine for a second it was like this, you realize how much worse that makes NH? Kishi had all this time over the past few years, plenty of opportunities to develop NaruHina yet he did it with NaruSaku, so what would really be the point of it? NH is still minor now isn't it? It has been sitting there in the background with pracitically nothing done, so my key quesiton to this cliam would be this Why the hell even bother? What the heck was the whole purpose of this just to serve as a red herring? Even if NaruSaku was a red herring, it still does not help NaruHina, to be a troll? This makes NH look as bad as it could possibly be, no matter what is argued, any of these results still limit Hinata to have been nothing but a fodder paring character and NaruHina is just a fodder pairing because it just sat around in the back waiting to be used, seriously there no conflict or enduring struggle between Naruto and Hinata, just Hinata for NaruHina, Kishi could have used Hinata or developed NH more but did not. No matter what NH argues, it cannot get over this, its far too late for it to have a lasting quality, too late to have a consistent development, too late to have any major impact on the story. NaruSaku has a conflict between Naruto and Sakura, it has them both struggling and worried about each other alongside all the good and bad they grow and experience together, yet they still come out as friends. Together Naruto and Sakura have an unbreakable friendship and care a lot for each other, this much is true and already canonwise proven. In other words, NaruSaku exists as one of the closest relationships but it can become more. NaruSaku works just like a real relationship, they have experienced a lot together, always try to do their best for the other, they have inspired and helped each other, they have hurt and confused on another. Naruto and Sakura have practically gone to hell and back with the 5 kage summit, yet they still have a great feeling of respect and devotion to each other. NaruSaku is the only relation to show this stuff, all the good and bad yet they still come back as the best of friends. It just baffles me to think that all this development, interaction, and the emotion it brings would just be sidelined for NH which has practically none of it and the 2 moments which do exist just go away quickly afterwards. Its literally a joke to think this, why would kishi have put all this development and interaction just to shove another in our face which has nothing? Its like NS would be a house built only to be destroyed while NH was the other house which could have been built, but the deadline for it to be finished is closing fast and it took 3 or so years to build the NS house, but cause they destroyed it, they are left with only tape and mud to create the NH house, in other words all that time building NS only to be a red herring could have been spent better to build NH, its seriously the question defeating it in itself, kishi could have just put more NH than just ax NS. All this time building NS just to break it is literally pointless, NH would look even worse.

These claims are just funny and ridiculous at times, this make me wonder for some anti-NS fans, woundn;t it be better for them to try to find reasons for their pairing, rather than making claims? Its easy for us in the NS to camp to argue because we have such a big amount of content. The only one still lacking a direct answer are Naruto's real feelings, yet we are able to answer these in the time being in other ways such as it would contradict Naruto to give up on Sakura, of all people her, to stop loving or not forgive her would be an insult to other parts of the story, he cannot forgive her for trying to do something for his sake, yet he forgave Nagato who murdered Jiraya and blew up his village. Even kishi basically said that the love triangle if anything is still on (someone care to elaborate from that sakura confession?) for now its best assumed that Naruto still loves Sakura, there are just too many reasons saying why he does.

[T XD]

SS isn't related to NH. SS is dead from a very long time. I don't know what more of facts, evidence or whatever but it's dead like it has been shown from facts in the manga. If it's related to Sasuke turning good, especially now, it doesn't work that way. Sakura doesn't want him like in part 1.
The girl has still some feelings for him but she doesn't want him. She's either in the process of moving on, or still needs a push or two for her to be released from this. I'm saying that cause she can be very well in the process and we don't know it and it will be shown in the future, or because Kishi doesn't want to reveal it yet till at the right moment for NS to officially happen from the push or two if she got them. Plus, we all know that Sasuke doesn't want her or see her in that way. This is all for the drama part of the manga. Nothing more, nothing less.

Naruto wants Sakura happy, but she won't be happy with Sasuke now. Too many things happened and we're no longer in early part 1 regarding Sakura and Sasuke. Naruto needs to know some of this about Sakura. How ? Kishi will show it either in this battle or in the future.

As for NH, Hinata either knows from the hug of 450 that Naruto has Sakura in his heart or there's something between the two, or she still doesn't know and she'll know it in the future or maybe there won't be any story line regarding this for Hinata.

And this:

There is no pairing war... Only fans who misinterpret the manga

Edited by T XD, 14 May 2013 - 03:25 PM.

[James S Cassidy]

One thing I noticed while reading the past couple of pages is how everyone thinks Hinata is either okay with NS or she is trying her hardest to fight it. Honestly, I think you are both right which leads me to show how inconsistent Kishi is with his characters at times. While Hinata is not the only one to change, she has been the one to change in ways more dramatically than any other character. This is weird as the other characters change was a more gradual. Why is that? I am not sure. As Inferno says, maybe he is trying to catch her up for neglecting her for so long. Personally, I still think that he can't really do it and so he has to diminish his other characters to do so. In short: Can't raise her bar, so we lower everyone else's to make hers look higher. it would explain why some character have been pretty quiet on the homefront.

I guess he does it to give the NH fans something or to try and misdirect, but it seems rather sloppy. Again, I am looking at this from a writer stand point, not a NS fan. It really is so rushed and out of nowhere. Not that it shouldn't have been done, but that it kind of came in from nowhere and came from nothing. It really is sloppy and I think Kishi should have handled it better. I know it just ain't me thinking this as many saw it as well. Whatever the reason for it, it is sloppy.

Maybe this is another reason why NH won't be canon, it is just too sloppy while NS was perfectly rounded with development and flow.

@striderC
I don't believe 615 is a pro-NH scene either. Simply because of how the scene turned out. It could have been, but Naruto didn't take it as romantic and so this is why I didn't see it as anything more than a Hinata to Naruto moment.

Random fact: My computer wants me to keep changing Hinata to "Pinata"

There is no pairing war... Only fans who misinterpret the manga

THERE IS NO PAIRING, THERE IS ONLY ZUUL.

ZUUUL MOTHERF!@#$, ZUUL

Edited by James S Cassidy, 14 May 2013 - 03:43 PM.