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[Inferno180]

Well, I don't think I could reconcile to that. I mean, if Hinata thought NS was a done deal, why was she still determined to walk beside Naruto and hold his hand in #573? Or be thinking about how it felt to hold his hand in the middle of a war in #615?

For all we know, in #450 Hinata was thinking, "Oh, look! Sakura is hugging Naruto but he's not hugging her back. I have a shot at him!!1!"

And really, that's the thing. There isn't much to know about Hinata, nor has there been much opportunity to learn about her -- as Inferno180 has been saying. She's not had a lot of focus outside of her feelings for and pursuit of Naruto, so I question the idea that she would give up her single defining characteristic because of that hug.

Just my opinion.

Well KnS thats just it, if a character has more screentime, we have more to work with. Same reason its not easy to relate to Kankuro or Shino, they have talent, they are decent characters, but they have hardly any screentime. Team 7, all of them have wide open and expanded backgrounds we can get behind, even for the limited times we have seen Sakura's parents in fillers and RtN, we know a great deal about her daily life lore wise (and Kizashi and Mebeki are canon characters, not only cause they were designed by kishi but they always existed in the background), she has her back and forths with them being a teenager but she is also growing up trying to find her own future, as most parents would, they take issues with some stuff and only wants what is best for their kids.

We can relate with Shikamaru, Tsunade, and Gaara, 3 major characters (gaara is not even seen as much as Hinata yet he has more importance!) all had development and varied backgrounds that changed. Hinata's was more or less the same until just 615, did much change in the duration between Naruto and Hinata between pain and 615? No it did not. NH is not that complex, its still, for all means, simple without much advancement. NaruSaku has varied and gone through a whole deal of ups and downs in the relationship between Naruto and Sakura yet its NS that aside from development shows the basis of a real relationship, they go through highs and lows, they have literally caused harm to each other yet still have an unbreakable friendship. If Sakura never thought differently of Naruto from the 4 tails, I'm sure Naruto would still forgive Sakura from her actions in the land of iron and still love her. Sakura had every right to be scared or even fear Naruto, but after seeing everything he did for her and learning about the 9 tails, she always saw him as Naruto, her friend, not the 9 tails. Sakura knew Naruto and Kurama were separate, Naruto was not a monster, he was an idiot but he had a good heart. In the long run of things, Hinata is well overly simplified as is NH. If more had come from Hinata, namely more development when there was abundant opportunities to give Hinata development before pain, but she was never used. In shippuden, she literally gets steamrolled then vanishes to the back until 615. The war arc, every character had to come in and out for time, she had only more encouragement from Naruto, Sakura again at least got a major moment with the white zetsu, it at least advanced the story actually giving Naruto a reason to be on the battlefront aside from stopping Obito.

It is right that Hinata's traits having a naruto anchor could be hard to imagine her without, but think of it like this: her development being happy for Naruto in a NS ending and standing independent could be a realistic one. She has not been used a lot, she does not need as much closure. She has gotten closure with Neji cause he died, Naruto is her only reason to still be in the story, yet on her own, she has to fulfill her own development. Unlike her, all of team 7 is impacting each other (save Sakura having no impact on Sasuke), team 7 has a complex web of interaction and development which needs to resolve, it could take all day just describing this for team 7, but for Hinata, it remains very simple. Hinata becoming unbound from Naruto, just being friends or gaining her confidence on her own, its completely feisable. I mean her being seen by naruto as an equal is enough aside from becoming hyuga clan leader. In the same way Sakura needs to get over Sasuke, Hinata's end development can simply be standing on her own, without a crutch. She is not the jealous type, I mean she was happy for Naruto when Sakura was hugging him (despite not knowing the love Naruto has for Sakura). Only Naruto and Sakura know the love triangle, yet Naruto is unaware that Sakura knows he loves her, he technically never confessed, him confessing to Sakura or her confronting him about it could be the push for Sakura to turn to Naruto. Hinata's resolve with Naruto can be best as an idol, encouragement relation. In a scene after the Naruto vs Sasuke fight, if Sakura was hugging Naruto and Naruto did it back, and Hinata saw it, she could even just see it, silently in the back, smile, and move on.

My point is, because of screentime and development, Sakura needs more time like Naruto and Sasuke to resolve all interactive development and come to her final development. Hinata is very small, her only remaining character association is Naruto with Neji gone. Hinata, a real easy ending can be put forward, just if one easy ending was NH, it would just be weaker by all other means with hardly any change or advancement on her character. If she stands as a leader and becomes clan head, thats the main thing she needs and that can happen, but as for love, its just due to her lack of screentime and only minimal advancement, NH would still be weak by all means. NS has had development, several events, and back and forth mutual growth between Naruto and Sakura, it has been minimal in NH. When it comes to Hinata and Naruto, Hinata can simply stand on her own full of confidence and able to be a leader, she can easily become unbound or be happy for Naruto if she sees he loves Sakura. Its still at this point, no matter what comes forward, if NH is canon, it cannot make up for the lack over all these years, it would ultimately be rushed, weak, and rather lazy, forcing Naruto to contradict himself by giving up on Sakura, and cause some damage to the story logic.

NS is still the only one that fits and its hard to imagine it not coming forward.

[TouKen4Life3g]

It's not that much of a mystery considering the type of face she made. That's not an "Oh crap I'm loosing ground" face, it's the "I guess that's how it is" face.

True. It's much different from Sakura's face when she learned about Hinata's feelings for Naruto. Maybe Kishi is drawing a comparison.

[FoolishYoungling]

True. It's much different from Sakura's face when she learned about Hinata's feelings for Naruto. Maybe Kishi is drawing a comparison.

I would put money on it that he is.

[redragon88]

I'M AWARE OF WHAT IT IS, but no matter how you spin it, the development that happened in the war is NH development. Doesn't always have to be romantic for it to be just that. Development. She's gotten closer to Naruto, and he's acknowledged that she's supposedly always been by his side or whatever. So no, it's NOT just development for HI.NA.TA. It's NH development.

Also, shipping wars have nothing to do with that. In the build up between NS, everything between them wasn't romantic now was it? There were times when it was simply just positive development for the two of them in their relationship. Nothing more...

As long as Naruto doesn't even hint about maybe viewing Hinata in a romantic light I can't consider any of the events of the war as some sort of NH growth, just Hinata advancement. Besides, at the end of the series if we see NS become canon that means that all of those moments were truly just meant for Hinata's character development and not to build her up as Naruto's lover.

And about NS, yes, not everything is a romantic moment, but they are good moments that make them feel mutually closer to each other. Not to mention that the one with growing affection moments towards the other is Sakura, as it's supposed to be since she's the one falling in love.

With Hinata is just her getting his acknowledgment, not his affection. Not to mention that there's not mutual growth between them, it's all about Hinata working hard thanks to her admiration of Naruto. Also, the "always" at my side is a mistranslation. It's just "at my side", as in at that very moment only. Unfortunately, as I said people already took it out of proportion and now is they're taking that misconception as fact.

[Shadow1275]

Ah yes, man how nice that one panel is. I forgot that she held his neck.

It's possible that perhaps she can tell Sakura feels the same way as her and she could be happy for Naruto to have a person that he knows (thanks to Team 7) loving him. It's much like Fairy Tail, where one character sees another character to have the same idea/feelings with Natsu. So if anything, if I'm right, that's a total win in my book. But, I guess we either get an answer or never will.

You know, come to think of it, you know how AU! is an opposite for K12? Perhaps in normal world, she accepts Naruto being with Sakura, but in AU!, she wants him and Sakura to stay far away. Basically, she loves Naruto, but accept if he goes with Sakura; however, in AU!, she loves Naruto in an aggressive way and won't let Sakura get near at all. That's just me thinking.

Well the other thing to consider is that we don't know for sure whether she knows that he loves her or that she has feelings for him. I'm not saying that Hinata won't accept that Naruto doesn't love her, personally I feel like her feelings are more infatuation or hero-worship. Just that considering the lack of time that she has spent with Naruto she probably has no idea that he loves Sakura.

Edited by Shadow1275, 14 May 2013 - 03:22 AM.

[redragon88]

Sure it draws on that. That seems pretty obvious. She does want to be equal to him. That's the part of her that has adopted his nindo. And if Shikamaru had said he also wanted to hold Naruto's hand, then maybe I could buy that equality and worthiness was all Hinata was looking for from Naruto. But like I said, I cannot reconcile myself to the idea that she wants nothing more, or that an ellipsis over her head in one panel 165 chapters ago proves she acknowledges and accepts NS.

The hand holding comment of Hinata in 573 might been to just foreshadow 615. I did say in the thread of chapter 614 that the next chapter would have a scene of them holding hands to stand up against the enemy, and surprise surprise it did happen. Hinata did want she wanted to do so that constitutes her shining moment. Maybe is as simple as that.

It does feel retarded to want to hold someone hand in the middle of a war zone, but with 615 it more understandable in retrospect. That could be what Kishi aimed for.

We'll have to agree to disagree on this, because while I can go along with some of your point here, I think it is marginalizing the strength and intention of her feelings for Naruto to say that holding his hand was solely about reassurance.

Don't get me wrong. I know she still has feelings for him, and she's happy that she could reach him. She can still praise him even if she knew he wouldn't be with her.

I certainly never meant for anything I said to be interpreted as Hinata being a "man stealer." I think we're just coming at this from two different perspectives. I am simply not certain, as you seem to be, that Hinata recognized and accepted NS back in #450. So for me, the possibility that she might believe she still had a chance with Naruto has nothing to do with her being a schemer or man stealer. I'm not thinking anything negative like that about her at all.

Since an ellipsis tells me nothing about her actual thoughts, and considering the single-mindedness with which she has been consistently characterized, I don't think it's beyond the realm of possibility that Hinata was clueless as to what the hug might mean, and that she didn't assume NS was endgame in that moment.

I see what you mean now. Sorry I didn't picked up on it the first time.

I guess we just have different views. The ellipsis doesn't tell you anything, but to me it feels like it tells a lot. But hey, it could just be Kishi fooling me. I don't think so though.

No, I don't think she's that type at all. Nor did I intend in any way to suggest she was. I've made many other posts on this subject in which I have stated my belief that she is a very nice girl, and that if/when Naruto's feelings for Sakura are known to her she will go quietly and with the sort of acceptance that not only fits her character but reflects a genuine wish for Naruto's happiness.

I understand. I'm glad we have the same point of view in regards to Hinata's personality. It's just that in my opinion that event could've already happened thanks to the ellipsis. But that's just me.

[Don-kun]

So what's the purpose of the "....."?



Only she has it. We are supposed to understand that Hinata took special notice of that scene. And if it was something she disagreed with she wouldn't make that glad face.

Deep silence Authors normally use that to emphasize a character who the readers are expecting to react or say something but choose to say nothing, this has nothing to do with Hinata accepting NaruSaku, is more like surprise without a reaction.

I feel the same way. I feel as though she wants Naruto to be happy and would likely gladly step aside if she felt he was interested in another person, but at the moment, I don't think she truly feels that another is in love with Naruto.

Bingo.
I also thought she was over him after 615, but if NS is meant to happen Hinata need to witness something between the two and Naruto needs to reaffirm that he feelings for Sakura has never being is question.

It's development of HI.NA.TA, not NH. Kiba likes to be a tease, it could've actually been more of a tease towards Hinata since he know she likes him.

It's fine if you don't consider 450 the "official" end of NH, I'm just trying to point out that maybe what happens afterwards is really just for Hinata's sake but since we're so immersed in shipping wars we just embrace it as evidence that NH is getting development when that might not be the case.

I'm one who believes that not all these Hinata appearance are tied with NH, but I'm also one who don't use speculation as fact, nothing in the Manga has pointed out that she move on from Naruto, 559, 573 and her comment on 615 should made that clear by now. Something needs to happen between NS Red so we just need to wait a little more.

Edited by Don-kun, 14 May 2013 - 03:05 AM.

[redragon88]

Deep silence Authors normally use that to emphasize a character who the readers are expecting to react or say something but choose to say nothing, this has nothing to do with Hinata accepting NaruSaku, is more like surprise without a reaction.

A surprise would be a "!" bubble. The ellipsis shows that a character is in deep thought about something, but those thoughts aren't revealed so we can only go by the expressions they make in order to understand what that might be.

So we have Hinata in deep thought about Sakura hugging Naruto and with a smiling face about it. The context tells me she's accepting it.

I'm one who believes that not all these Hinata appearance are tied with NH, but I'm also one who don't use speculation as fact, nothing in the Manga has pointed out that she move on from Naruto, 559, 573 and her comment on 615 should made that clear by now. Something needs to happen between NS Red so we just need to wait a little more.

I said it in a previous post, she might know that Naruto won't love her but that doesn't mean she's just not gonna have feelings for him anymore. Please don't misunderstand me as thinking that Hinata doesn't love Naruto anymore, that's ridiculous, even I know that.

Edited by redragon88, 14 May 2013 - 03:13 AM.

[KnS]

Well KnS thats just it, if a character has more screentime, we have more to work with.

Right. And that was the point of my original comment about Hinata's panel in #450. We don't know much about her or what she thinks about beyond Naruto and wanting to live up to his nindo.

And as for #450, I don't remember any indication that Hinata was aware of either Naruto or Sakura's feelings in order for her to judge the hug differently than anyone else. She had just sacrificed her life for Naruto and he'd gone on to become the village hero. Maybe she smiled because she saw the guy she loves getting a much-deserved hug of appreciation from his teammate, and she felt she'd been a part of that happening for him...? I don't know.

I just can't see how she would have naturally reached the conclusion that Sakura hugging Naruto meant NS was a foregone conclusion, and that Naruto's heart belonged to someone else. I mean, how could she have known Naruto's feelings for Sakura? As many debaters here are fond of pointing out, she's not on Naruto's team, doesn't really know him, and isn't shown spending any down time with him.

So how could she think Naruto loves Sakura? I mean, Sakura didn't even know Naruto was in love with her back in #450.

I see what you mean now. Sorry I didn't picked up on it the first time.

It's nothing. The way I wrote my first comment was pretty glib so I can see why my intentions might not have been clear.

I guess we just have different views. The ellipsis doesn't tell you anything, but to me it feels like it tells a lot. But hey, it could just be Kishi fooling me. I don't think so though.

I can totally agree with you that #573 was foreshadowing, and #615 was the realization of it. I realize I'm repeating myself here, but for me the hand-holding part neutralizes any realistic possibility that she recognized or accepted NS in #450. There's no reference to her acceptance in any of her thoughts since -- including #573 -- and no indication of support for Naruto's feelings even if they're not for her. Nothing. And yet what her thoughts do indicate is what she wants in terms of being with Naruto, and what form she desires it to take.

#573 was foreshadowing, yes, and Hinata got what she wanted. I think that was Kishimoto's way of setting her on the road to closure. But I don't think she knows for sure that's all she may ever get, and she won't until Naruto makes his feelings for Sakura clear.

Oy. How did I get dragged into talking about Hinata again?

Edited by KnS, 14 May 2013 - 03:26 AM.

[StriderC]

As long as Naruto doesn't even hint about maybe viewing Hinata in a romantic light I can't consider any of the events of the war as some sort of NH growth, just Hinata advancement. Besides, at the end of the series if we see NS become canon that means that all of those moments were truly just meant for Hinata's character development and not to build her up as Naruto's lover.

And about NS, yes, not everything is a romantic moment, but they are good moments that make them feel mutually closer to each other. Not to mention that the one with growing affection moments towards the other is Sakura, as it's supposed to be since she's the one falling in love.

With Hinata is just her getting his acknowledgment, not his affection. Not to mention that there's not mutual growth between them, it's all about Hinata working hard thanks to her admiration of Naruto. Also, the "always" at my side is a mistranslation. It's just "at my side", as in at that very moment only. Unfortunately, as I said people already took it out of proportion and now is they're taking that misconception as fact.

What I'M saying is, regardless of what the happens at the end, NH got development. It doesn't HAVE to be in a romantic sense. I'm sure Hinata's very happy Naruto's acknowledging and regardless of whether they end up as a couple or not, Naruto and Hinata have gotten a lot closer since the beginning of the series. If there were not mutual growth then why's Naruto acknowledging her in such a way. They don't have to be romantically linked, and even though it's clear that one has actual affections for the other, that doesn't change what Hinata has done for Naruto. She brought him back to reality in 615, and that's no small feat. He thanked her and acknowledged her. Doesn't matter if the always is gone or not. She was there for him when he needed someone.

As for the bolded, the same thing applies to Naruto/Hinata development. Doesn't matter if a lot of us disliked where her head when in certain scenes, *hand holding* but that doesn't take away from what they've gained.

Also, acceptance doesn't mean anything really considering Naruto has indeed accepted Sakura's love for Sasuke but that didn't stop him from asking her out, or loving her as much as he did.

AGREED KNS.

That's just like us BELIEVING that Sakura was only Sasuke to get whatever chapter that was with her thinking about him and acknowledging her love for him. Like I've said before, I felt that before, yes NH was done after the hug and her response but given what's happened in recent chapters, and how much attention she's getting from Naruto, that panel of her and the "...." means nothing. That part was butchered just like our thoughts on SS were butchered with 573. NS is gonna take a bit more work and time before it happens but whatever.

Edited by StriderC, 14 May 2013 - 03:30 AM.

[Don-kun]

A surprise would be a "!" bubble. The ellipsis shows that a character is in deep thought about something, but those thoughts aren't revealed so we can only go by the expressions they make in order to understand what that might be.

So we have Hinata in deep thought about Sakura hugging Naruto and with a smiling face about it. The context tells me she's accepting it.


I said it in a previous post, she might know that Naruto won't love her but that doesn't mean she's just not gonna have feelings for him anymore. Please don't misunderstand me as thinking that Hinata doesn't love Naruto anymore, that's ridiculous, even I know that.

Well I definitely don't see thing the way you do, Maybe if Kiba wasn't at Sakura's confession and later on teases Naruto about Hinata I believe that if that tease was meant for Hinata then she would be the one blushing, I think your Anime experiences should tell you this already, also before Sakura confession she was saying something to the Rookies that was cut off, then Hinata's wants in chapter 573, and her caressing his cheek with that mental thought about his hand.

Like I said I might want to accept what you're saying, but I can only agree with something when the Author makes a reference to it more than once.

I believe that Hinata not thinking about Naruto feelings for Sakura is a clear indication that NH wont happen but it's also a clear indication that she has not move on from him or accept his feelings for someone else.

Edited by Don-kun, 14 May 2013 - 03:46 AM.

[redragon88]

Oy. How did I get dragged into talking about Hinata again?

Why is that so bad?

I still think the hand holding was just Kishi's idea of Hinata's shining moment. It'd be funny if he said in an interview that he didn't really think much of it since he just wanted to give Hinata a nice last moment with Naruto.

Oh the rage that would follow.

[KnS]

Why is that so bad?

Because... it's like walking into Baskin Robbins or Cold Stone Creamery and ordering a plain vanilla cone.

I still think the hand holding was just Kishi's idea of Hinata's shining moment. It'd be funny if he said in an interview that he didn't really think much of it since he just wanted to give Hinata a nice last moment with Naruto.

Yes. I think so too.

[StriderC]

I hope the next chapter isn't all about Obito and Kakashi!

I sort of want to see how the 14 man squad protecting Naruto will do against the enemies.

[redragon88]

What I'M saying is, regardless of what the happens at the end, NH got development. It doesn't HAVE to be in a romantic sense. I'm sure Hinata's very happy Naruto's acknowledging and regardless of whether they end up as a couple or not, Naruto and Hinata have gotten a lot closer since the beginning of the series. If there were not mutual growth then why's Naruto acknowledging her in such a way. They don't have to be romantically linked, and even though it's clear that one has actual affections for the other, that doesn't change what Hinata has done for Naruto. She brought him back to reality in 615, and that's no small feat. He thanked her and acknowledged her. Doesn't matter if the always is gone or not. She was there for him when he needed someone.

Not really. Naruto might have a higher opinion of Hinata but they definitely haven't gotten closer. She's a friend just like the rest of the rookies are.

Getting acknowledgment is not the same as developing a close relationship. That's something Naruto and Sakura did, not Naruto and Hinata. Hinata can do many things for Naruto, and he can be thankful about it and recognize her as a true friend, but that doesn't mean they have forged some mutual deep connection.

As for the bolded, the same thing applies to Naruto/Hinata development. Doesn't matter if a lot of us disliked where her head when in certain scenes, *hand holding* but that doesn't take away from what they've gained.

No, because of the above.

Also, acceptance doesn't mean anything really considering Naruto has indeed accepted Sakura's love for Sasuke but that didn't stop him from asking her out, or loving her as much as he did.

Naruto accepts Sakura's love, but her love is hers alone. What Hinata could possibly be accepting in 450 is the growing mutual love between Naruto and Sakura. You see the difference?

That's just like us BELIEVING that Sakura was only Sasuke to get whatever chapter that was with her thinking about him and acknowledging her love for him. Like I've said before, I felt that before, yes NH was done after the hug and her response but given what's happened in recent chapters, and how much attention she's getting from Naruto, that panel of her and the "...." means nothing. That part was butchered just like our thoughts on SS were butchered with 573. NS is gonna take a bit more work and time before it happens but whatever.

Well, if you really feel that strongly about it I won't force you to think differently. I just think that Kishi might be offering more consistency than we give him credit for.

I want to believe that he's not the type of guy to backtrack on the hints he leaves. Especially after he said that all of the little clues that he left in the manga would make sense as the climax approached.

[StriderC]

Not really. Naruto might have a higher opinion of Hinata but they definitely haven't gotten closer. She's a friend just like the rest of the rookies are.

Getting acknowledgment is not the same as developing a close relationship. That's something Naruto and Sakura did, not Naruto and Hinata. Hinata can do many things for Naruto, and he can be thankful about it and recognize her as a true friend, but that doesn't mean they have forged some mutual deep connection.


No, because of the above.


Naruto accepts Sakura's love, but her love is hers alone. What Hinata could possibly be accepting in 450 is the growing mutual love between Naruto and Sakura. You see the difference?


Well, if you really feel that strongly about it I won't force you to think differently. I just think that Kishi might be offering more consistency than we give him credit for.

I want to believe that he's not the type of guy to backtrack on the hints he leaves. Especially after he said that all of the little clues that he left in the manga would make sense as the climax approached.

Well, we're gonna have to agree to disagree when it comes to the bond that Naruto and Hinata do have. Being "just a friend like the rookies" doesn't mean they're not closer than they were at the beginning of the series. Not in the slightest.

It's more than just getting acknowledgment from Naruto, but it's clear that we're not gonna see eye to eye here so I'll just stop right here.

I'll just comment on the bolded. It's not backtracking if what one sees isn't necessarily factual but just pure speculation.

That's that.

[redragon88]

Well I definitely don't see thing the way you do, Maybe if Kiba wasn't at Sakura's confession and later on teases Naruto about Hinata I believe that if that tease was meant for Hinata then she would be the one blushing, I think your Anime experiences should tell you this already, also before Sakura confession she was saying something to the Rookies that was cut off, then Hinata's wants in chapter 573, and her caressing his cheek with that mental thought about his hand.

Like I said I might want to accept what you're saying, but I can only agree with something when the Author makes a reference to it more than once.

I believe that Hinata not thinking about Naruto feelings for Sakura is a clear indication that NH wont happen but it's also a clear indication that she has not move on from him or accept his feelings for someone else.

The Juubi who is the God of all creation stands in front of them. What should Hinata do?! Blush for Naruto-kun of course.

Even you have to admit it feels a little silly.

Because... it's like walking into Baskin Robbins or Cold Stone Creamery and ordering a plain vanilla cone.

I see, so Hinata is plain. Ironic, isn't it?

EDIT

Well, we're gonna have to agree to disagree when it comes to the bond that Naruto and Hinata do have. Being "just a friend like the rookies" doesn't mean they're not closer than they were at the beginning of the series. Not in the slightest.

I get that. I'm saying that Hinata has gotten closer to Naruto just like the rest have. She doesn't have some special closeness that separates her from the other rookies.

It's more than just getting acknowledgment from Naruto, but it's clear that we're not gonna see eye to eye here so I'll just stop right here.

I really don't see how it's more than getting acknowledgment. Hinata is not "special" to Naruto. But I suppose each has their own view their relationship, so like you said we should leave it.

I'll just comment on the bolded. It's not backtracking if what one sees isn't necessarily factual but just pure speculation.

You said that there was a time when you also believed that the ellipsis meant something regarding Hinata. So that could've been Kishi's intention for the fans to have that reaction.

It's OK if you don't want to believe that it could be Hinata accepting them. But at the very least don't you think that her ellipsis is worth taking note of, no matter what happens, instead of saying that it was meaningless? Whether it's good or bad I just don't think it's worthless. I think Kishi did it on purpose for a reason.

Edited by redragon88, 14 May 2013 - 04:23 AM.

[StriderC]

LMAO. I can't believe I'm actually defending NH.

[TouKen4Life3g]

To me only, unless someone feels the same, I always see Hinata as another Shikamaru of the team (8). She get the development out of her team. That said I still don't think anything won't change at all, and honestly, I would laugh if we gave her too much credit, only to find out NS happens, but best to wait on that. It's really possible that we gave her too much credit than we are making it out to be. The thing is it's reminding me Shikamaru's help in Pain Arc, where he has to explain the future is on the hand of the next generation. That said is Shikamaru Naruto's new best friend/brother? No. That's how I see Hinata. The only reason people gave her more credit is because romance or at least bare minimum is being used in here as she loves Naruto, but to me, it's another day in the manga series where one loves her but never win. At best, it is her developments, but again, we are taking this differently due to romance.

Don't have to agree with me, but this is what I think overall. Can I change my mind? Yes, but so far, nothing. 616 was my chance for taking it serious, but I couldn't. 615 left me thinking Naruto and Hinata are going to team up to take out the Juubi alone, not to mention possibly leaving a chance for Hinata to have a unique power up over other. Hey, you can't blame me, it left it as a cliffhanger and Naruto made it sound like it's just them. Also, the color pages were chances to make a significant point, like I don't know, Obito seeing himself and Rin. But 616 was released and I just laughed. Granted people may think the same as I did, but I don't blame you. Then, I realized, "Say...is this what Kishi meant about shining moment?" So I noticed the volume ended with all of them doing that bird thing and yeah, I was convinced that it's friends to the end.

I'll tell you this: if the alliance happened to knocked out here, then you can tell Kishi only had them in mind for the previous volume, but nothing more. If they live, well let's see how it all goes down still. This is the first time that they have to defend with no Naruto's special chakra, let alone 614 shows that they were screwed until Naruto was ready. So, let's see how it all plays out. Anyway, Obito seems to be the focus of this volume or at least that's what I think. Next chapter could make things clearer, but eh, I could be wrong.

[redragon88]

LMAO. I can't believe I'm actually defending NH.

You aren't, don't worry. You're just defending your view of their development even if they just end up as friends.

Edited by redragon88, 14 May 2013 - 04:26 AM.