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[Inferno180]

In the recent ending where everyone sings, in the part where Hinata is sitting in her bedroom some people assumed that she was actually in Naruto's bed.

The lengths of ridiculous imagination...

What gets me is that new ending is part of that one recent filler where she gets her eyes strained and its up to Neji, Naruto, and Sakura to try and make it better. What eludes me is that we see that bed she is sitting on is hers, not Naruto's hers. They show it several times in that one episode, also if it is Naruto's bed, where did he put that giant banner? Also wouldn't Hinata be breaking and entering in this claim? They just reinforced the creepy stalker joke.

There is a difference though between just liking Hinata and thinking every single thing she does is NH, if this was true then all the buildup Slex put up would by right all be considered NS moments. I find it funny though that NH may actually just advocate and influence NS more, I mean if my statement about NH being at the mercy of NS was actually true, this would mean if NS died, NH by right would die. If NH moments lead to other stuff though like when Sakura found out Hinata loves Naruto and Sakura seeing how Naruto was slapped, if that reaction means anything, it is possible that NH could only exist to bolster NS. Imagine if this is actually true, if these events lead to Sakura learning and realizing all she wanted was always with her. That would be the biggest shock to the NH fanbase, if ours was actually controlling it the whole time and NH only existed to enforce Naruto and Sakuras relationship. Just imagine their reaction if it was like that.

One thing that Naruto SD was good for, it let the creators go wild and get the fan service and fanbase attacks out of their system. They attacked everyone its over, on with the main story. With Naruto SD, I did not ever see a group of show developers toy with their fanbase this much since Avatar the last airbender, heck there was a time at comic-con I remember they put up a slideshow of many pairing artworks and mocked them but made it funny. I remember this when I was at SDCC with a few friends:



The one video which has creators ultimately toying with their fans.

[redragon88]

@Inferno180

I remember seeing that video a while ago. It was just gold. I wish Kishi and/or Pierrot could do something like this at some point.

It's that type of thing that makes me remember that it's only the fans that take pairings to such a serious extreme. I bet Kishi, Shounen Jump, and Pierrot really don't give a crap as to what pairings some overly obsessed fans desire. The characters will end up with who they were supposed to end up with all along.

Hey guys, could anyone give me an opinion on this:

You know I'm beginning to think that 450, when Sakura hugged Naruto and Hinata had that "....." bubble, was the moment NH died even if Hinata still liked Naruto.

I just say a chapter in a manga where after the main couple has a sweet moment between them the rival girl also looks at them from a distance with the same "....." bubble. Later on, in that very chapter, she makes a comment about how that guy only has eyes for that other girl, and she even goes to indirectly encourage him to be more brave about his feelings.

To be honest I think that in 450 Hinata realized that Naruto and Sakura were growing pretty close with each other and that it wasn't going to change no matter what. But she figures that she should at least be able to be there for Naruto since otherwise she wouldn't be worthy of inheriting his nindo, ergo 615.

[KnS]

Hey guys, could anyone give me an opinion on this:

You know I'm beginning to think that 450, when Sakura hugged Naruto and Hinata had that "....." bubble, was the moment NH died even if Hinata still liked Naruto.

I just say a chapter in a manga where after the main couple has a sweet moment between them the rival girl also looks at them from a distance with the same "....." bubble. Later on, in that very chapter, she makes a comment about how that guy only has eyes for that other girl, and she even goes to indirectly encourage him to be more brave about his feelings.

To be honest I think that in 450 Hinata realized that Naruto and Sakura were growing pretty close with each other and that it wasn't going to change no matter what. But she figures that she should at least be able to be there for Naruto since otherwise she wouldn't be worthy of inheriting his nindo, ergo 615.

Well, I don't think I could reconcile to that. I mean, if Hinata thought NS was a done deal, why was she still determined to walk beside Naruto and hold his hand in #573? Or be thinking about how it felt to hold his hand in the middle of a war in #615?

For all we know, in #450 Hinata was thinking, "Oh, look! Sakura is hugging Naruto but he's not hugging her back. I have a shot at him!!1!"

And really, that's the thing. There isn't much to know about Hinata, nor has there been much opportunity to learn about her -- as Inferno180 has been saying. She's not had a lot of focus outside of her feelings for and pursuit of Naruto, so I question the idea that she would give up her single defining characteristic because of that hug.

Just my opinion.

Edited by KnS, 14 May 2013 - 12:56 AM.

[TouKen4Life3g]

Wow, so many things happened here when I wasn't around. Well, once NS moment happen, it's bye bye to NH. The only question is when. I don't know, but nothing has changed my opinion about any other pairings. I already explained it, so I don't think I should repeat myself unless you guys want me to.

About people acknowledging pairings, well I do believe the studio and maybe Kishi know about the whole pairing war. When the popular series get too much attention about the pairing, they will have fun with it. The studio, I know for sure but maybe it's a huge coincidence in that drama CD, they pretty much pointed out in the nutshell (ex. Sakura's feelings being "fickle", SS = NH, etc.). Funny, because it all comes back to NS for the studio, but seems like Kishi too had fun with the ads, only to do nothing or make it worse. Anyway, I think this whole pairing thing is a fun thing, but not changing anything.

Regarding the fact that Obito already knew what happened to Rin, it would explain his statement to Kakashi, "It's because you let Rin die."
At that time, especially after the revelation of Rin's death, that strange statement had no sense. But now it has. So I think it's better in this way, that Obito already knew the whole truth, instead of Kakashi's saying it to him.

That's because Kakashi's TNJ cannot work on Obito. Obito will be tnjed, we need to know from who he will be tnjed. Kakashi is OUT. Minato is coming but I have idea that even him will fail. And who will remain? Of course, the one who's like a twin brother of the Obito which Kakashi and Minato used to know, Naruto. It makes totally sense. It's Kishimoto's style.

Yeah, I thought the same.

[StriderC]

Well, I don't think I could reconcile to that. I mean, if Hinata thought NS was a done deal, why was she still determined to walk beside Naruto and hold his hand in #573? Or be thinking about how it felt to hold his hand in the middle of a war in #615?

For all we know, in #450 Hinata was thinking, "Oh, look! Sakura is hugging Naruto but he's not hugging her back. I have a shot at him!!1!"

And really, that's the thing. There isn't much to know about Hinata, nor has there been much opportunity to learn about her -- as Inferno180 has been saying. She's not had a lot of focus outside of her feelings for and pursuit of Naruto, so I question the idea that she would give up her single defining characteristic because of that hug.

Just my opinion.

Agreed. Initially, I had THOUGHT that she had gotten the picture, but maybe she didn't think much of that hug? It's possible considering she's still seemingly pursuing Naruto, and her love for him didn't just diminish. I should of known as much back in the chapter where Sakura did hug him given, she was smiling, and there was absolutely not dialogue. Nothing hinting at her feeling as though she's lost and that hug could be her being happy Naruto's okay considering the last time she did see him, he was pinned to the ground.

So, no, I don't think she'd give up that easily. She'd have to see more NaruSaku development to come to such a conclusion but the fact of the matter is, she hasn't. Sakura has seen more NH development than Hinata has seen of NS, and I feel that maybe eventually, Kishi will finally show it to her, and she'll likely bow out. Just one of the many possibilities in this manga.

[redragon88]

Well, I don't think I could reconcile to that. I mean, if Hinata thought NS was a done deal, why was she still determined to walk beside Naruto and hold his hand in #573? Or be thinking about how it felt to hold his hand in the middle of a war in #615?

573: It goes back to being an equal to him. She doesn't want to fall behind him yet again, she wants to be worthy of his nindo by walking with him as support. Remember when Shikamaru also said that Naruto makes him want to walk besides him. It might draw from that concept.

615: Hinata might know that Naruto won't love her but that doesn't mean she'll suddenly become indifferent to him. Besides, the hand comment at the end was because his presence reassures her. It makes her feel that everything will be alright and so she gets the strength to fight.

For all we know, in #450 Hinata was thinking, "Oh, look! Sakura is hugging Naruto but he's not hugging her back. I have a shot at him!!1!"

Hinata is not some man stealer. She has the exact opposite of that kind of personality. So her "....." at 450 is definitely not that. Not to mention that she was smiling sweetly, so the "....." was her witnessing a situation and accepting it.

Hinata is the type of girl that would back off if she saw that Naruto and Sakura were getting closer to each other. She's not gonna device some scheme to make Naruto fall for her. I don't understand why you would think that of her.

And really, that's the thing. There isn't much to know about Hinata, nor has there been much opportunity to learn about her -- as Inferno180 has been saying. She's not had a lot of focus outside of her feelings for and pursuit of Naruto, so I question the idea that she would give up her single defining characteristic because of that hug.

Just my opinion.

Since when does Hinata pursue Naruto? At the most the thing she wants is to prove her worth to him. Whatever else happens is a plus.

If she knew that Naruto and Sakura were getting closer to each other why would she deny them that happiness? Do you really think Hinata is the type to think "That's stupid I can make Naruto happier."? Of course not.

[TouKen4Life3g]

I still think Hinata already acknowledge the love between them. It's just the stuff she gets from Naruto is kept to herself. She doesn't seem to ask Naruto to be her lover, because as of now, it's only best to gain the acknowledgement from him so she's good for the future. It already feels like the confession was a bonus by Kishi so that "chance" can get out of the way. A lot of characters from shows often confess but never return back. There's no asking for answer in her confession, rather just want to let you know. But oh well, we just need NS to make everything sense in pairing war I guess.

[redragon88]

Agreed. Initially, I had THOUGHT that she had gotten the picture, but maybe she didn't think much of that hug? It's possible considering she's still seemingly pursuing Naruto, and her love for him didn't just diminish. I should of known as much back in the chapter where Sakura did hug him given, she was smiling, and there was absolutely not dialogue. Nothing hinting at her feeling as though she's lost and that hug could be her being happy Naruto's okay considering the last time she did see him, he was pinned to the ground.

So, no, I don't think she'd give up that easily. She'd have to see more NaruSaku development to come to such a conclusion but the fact of the matter is, she hasn't. Sakura has seen more NH development than Hinata has seen of NS, and I feel that maybe eventually, Kishi will finally show it to her, and she'll likely bow out. Just one of the many possibilities in this manga.

Her "....." during the hug says otherwise. She's the only one that had that so she's the one that took most notice about the hug. Ironic, right?

If her face showed any semblance of being bothered then I suppose she would want Naruto to be with her. But she had a glad and accepting face when she witnessed the hug. That plus her "....." are the perfect combo of a love rival acknowledging that her feelings won't be reciprocated.

573 and 615 feel more like misdirections or events blowing out of proportion due to the influence of pairings.

[StriderC]

I still think Hinata already acknowledge the love between them. It's just the stuff she gets from Naruto is kept to herself. She doesn't seem to ask Naruto to be her lover, because as of now, it's only best to gain the acknowledgement from him so she's good for the future. It already feels like the confession was a bonus by Kishi so that "chance" can get out of the way. A lot of characters from shows often confess but never return back. There's no asking for answer in her confession, rather just want to let you know. But oh well, we just need NS to make everything sense in pairing war I guess.

You're saying that she might possibly have already acknowledged the love between Naruto and Sakura? I don't think so because how would she know that there's love between them? Because of the hug? At this point, I personally don't think so.

[Don-kun]

No but she might push him to be more forward with his feelings for her.

I don't see Hinata doing that even if she has shown a backbone. She must know Naruto loves Sakura simple as that.

Looking at your post I was kind of wondering why you said that, but after reading back my post I cannot believe what I say, what I actually meant was that Hinata might try to push Naruto to be more open about his feelings for Sakura, this is something I normally see is those series were two or more girls like the main guy, the side character always encourage the Main character to make a move on the girl he loves.

[TouKen4Life3g]

You're saying that she might possibly have already acknowledged the love between Naruto and Sakura? I don't think so because how would she know that there's love between them? Because of the hug? At this point, I personally don't think so.

Well, you do make a good point but I don't think she's a competitor, rather just happy if it happens. If anything, she may noticed that Sakura is in the same boat as her, but not noticing it. It's like in Fairy Tail, where the Lisanna only tell Lucy to be close to Natsu because he will be strong if he has someone in his side. Honestly, that just passing the torch and only made the obvious pairing more obvious.

[StriderC]

Her "....." during the hug says otherwise. She's the only one that had that so she's the one that took most notice about the hug. Ironic, right?

If her face showed any semblance of being bothered then I suppose she would want Naruto to be with her. But she had a glad and accepting face when she witnessed the hug. That plus her "....." are the perfect combo of a love rival acknowledging that her feelings won't be reciprocated.

573 and 615 feel more like misdirections or events blowing out of proportion due to the influence of pairings.

Initially, that's what I thought as well BUT given what has happened as of late, I can't say that that scene was the "official" end of NH. Kishi has been playing with NaruHina for quite a good amount of time in this war. He's had Kiba play on words when Naruto arrived on the scene and was around Hinata. The eye scene with Naruto and Hinata, and then this scene where she gets him out of his funk AND he acknowledges that she's always been there. No matter how you spin it, it's development, and if Kishi really wanted, he could make NH happen.

[redragon88]

You're saying that she might possibly have already acknowledged the love between Naruto and Sakura? I don't think so because how would she know that there's love between them? Because of the hug? At this point, I personally don't think so.

So what's the purpose of the "....."?



Only she has it. We are supposed to understand that Hinata took special notice of that scene. And if it was something she disagreed with she wouldn't make that glad face.

[StriderC]

Well, you do make a good point but I don't think she's a competitor, rather just happy if it happens. If anything, she may noticed that Sakura is in the same boat as her, but not noticing it. It's like in Fairy Tail, where the Lisanna only tell Lucy to be close to Natsu because he will be strong if he has someone in his side. Honestly, that just passing the torch and only made the obvious pairing more obvious.

I feel the same way. I feel as though she wants Naruto to be happy and would likely gladly step aside if she felt he was interested in another person, but at the moment, I don't think she truly feels that another is in love with Naruto.

[redragon88]

Initially, that's what I thought as well BUT given what has happened as of late, I can't say that that scene was the "official" end of NH. Kishi has been playing with NaruHina for quite a good amount of time in this war. He's had Kiba play on words when Naruto arrived on the scene and was around Hinata. The eye scene with Naruto and Hinata, and then this scene where she gets him out of his funk AND he acknowledges that she's always been there. No matter how you spin it, it's development, and if Kishi really wanted, he could make NH happen.

It's development of HI.NA.TA, not NH. Kiba likes to be a tease, it could've actually been more of a tease towards Hinata since he know she likes him.

It's fine if you don't consider 450 the "official" end of NH, I'm just trying to point out that maybe what happens afterwards is really just for Hinata's sake but since we're so immersed in shipping wars we just embrace it as evidence that NH is getting development when that might not be the case.

Edited by redragon88, 14 May 2013 - 02:01 AM.

[StriderC]

So what's the purpose of the "....."?



Only she has it. We are supposed to understand that Hinata took special notice of that scene. And if it was something she disagreed with she wouldn't make that glad face.

Who knows why she did the "....." but really, it's all speculation. That "....." could mean anything considering she is romantically linked to Naruto.

[TouKen4Life3g]

So what's the purpose of the "....."?



Only she has it. We are supposed to understand that Hinata took special notice of that scene. And if it was something she disagreed with she wouldn't make that glad face.

Ah yes, man how nice that one panel is. I forgot that she held his neck.

It's possible that perhaps she can tell Sakura feels the same way as her and she could be happy for Naruto to have a person that he knows (thanks to Team 7) loving him. It's much like Fairy Tail, where one character sees another character to have the same idea/feelings with Natsu. So if anything, if I'm right, that's a total win in my book. But, I guess we either get an answer or never will.

You know, come to think of it, you know how AU! is an opposite for K12? Perhaps in normal world, she accepts Naruto being with Sakura, but in AU!, she wants him and Sakura to stay far away. Basically, she loves Naruto, but accept if he goes with Sakura; however, in AU!, she loves Naruto in an aggressive way and won't let Sakura get near at all. That's just me thinking.

[KnS]

573: It goes back to being an equal to him. She doesn't want to fall behind him yet again, she wants to be worthy of his nindo by walking with him as support. Remember when Shikamaru also said that Naruto makes him want to walk besides him. It might draw from that concept.

Sure it draws on that. That seems pretty obvious. She does want to be equal to him. That's the part of her that has adopted his nindo. And if Shikamaru had said he also wanted to hold Naruto's hand, then maybe I could buy that equality and worthiness was all Hinata was looking for from Naruto. But like I said, I cannot reconcile myself to the idea that she wants nothing more, or that an ellipsis over her head in one panel 165 chapters ago proves she acknowledges and accepts NS.

615: Hinata might know that Naruto won't love her but that doesn't mean she'll suddenly become indifferent to him. Besides, the hand comment at the end was because his presence reassures her. It makes her feel that everything will be alright and so she gets the strength to fight.

We'll have to agree to disagree on this, because while I can go along with some of your point here, I think it is marginalizing the strength and intention of her feelings for Naruto to say that holding his hand was solely about reassurance.

Hinata is not some man stealer. She has the exact opposite of that kind of personality. So her "....." at 450 is definitely not that. Not to mention that she was smiling sweetly, so the "....." was her witnessing a situation and accepting it.

Hinata is the type of girl that would back off if she saw that Naruto and Sakura were getting closer to each other. She's not gonna device some scheme to make Naruto fall for her. I don't understand why you would think that of her.

I certainly never meant for anything I said to be interpreted as Hinata being a "man stealer." I think we're just coming at this from two different perspectives. I am simply not certain, as you seem to be, that Hinata recognized and accepted NS back in #450. So for me, the possibility that she might believe she still had a chance with Naruto has nothing to do with her being a schemer or man stealer. I'm not thinking anything negative like that about her at all.

Since an ellipsis tells me nothing about her actual thoughts, and considering the single-mindedness with which she has been consistently characterized, I don't think it's beyond the realm of possibility that Hinata was clueless as to what the hug might mean, and that she didn't assume NS was endgame in that moment.

If she knew that Naruto and Sakura were getting closer to each other why would she deny them that happiness? Do you really think Hinata is the type to think "That's stupid I can make Naruto happier."? Of course not.

No, I don't think she's that type at all. Nor did I intend in any way to suggest she was. I've made many other posts on this subject in which I have stated my belief that she is a very nice girl, and that if/when Naruto's feelings for Sakura are known to her she will go quietly and with the sort of acceptance that not only fits her character but reflects a genuine wish for Naruto's happiness.

[redragon88]

Who knows why she did the "....." but really, it's all speculation. That "....." could mean anything considering she is romantically linked to Naruto.

It's not that much of a mystery considering the type of face she made. That's not an "Oh crap I'm loosing ground" face, it's the "I guess that's how it is" face.

[StriderC]

It's development of HI.NA.TA, not NH. Kiba likes to be a tease, it could've actually been more of a tease towards Hinata since he know she likes him.

It's fine if you don't consider 450 the "official" end of NH, I'm just trying to point out that maybe what happens afterwards is really just for Hinata's sake but since we're so immersed in shipping wars we just embrace it as evidence that NH is getting development when that might not be the case.

I'M AWARE OF WHAT IT IS, but no matter how you spin it, the development that happened in the war is NH development. Doesn't always have to be romantic for it to be just that. Development. She's gotten closer to Naruto, and he's acknowledged that she's supposedly always been by his side or whatever. So no, it's NOT just development for HI.NA.TA. It's NH development.

Also, shipping wars have nothing to do with that. In the build up between NS, everything between them wasn't romantic now was it? There were times when it was simply just positive development for the two of them in their relationship. Nothing more...