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#19661 Sakamaki Izayoi

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Posted 13 May 2013 - 04:21 PM

QUOTE (Don-kun @ May 13 2013, 01:11 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Naruto and his Ninja ways, I might agree with Naruto never going back on his words since that is his Ninja way.
But what does that have to do with NS?

Naruto as never vow to win Sakura's heart, the closes he ever came was when he admitted that after training Kakashi and Sasuke will finally acknowledge him and maybe Sakura might start liking him.

Naruto has never vow that he will confess to Sakura he said he could not tell her how he feels because he could not keep a promise to her.

These are the things we need to consider, Sakura desire for wanting to do more for Naruto, Yamato telling her what she feels for him is what matter most, Sakura not feeling deserving of his feelings, Naruto liking Sakura and the fact that the main character should have a chance to at least let the girl he loves/lived for so long at least know why he liked/likes her in the first place, liking Hinata does not go against his character like I said he never made Sakura a goal he respect her feelings and vow to see her happy it could be with anyone ass long that she is happy.

Sakura and Naruto are the only character that hasn't express to the unrequited loved why they feel that way about them, and if Sakura's reason are tied with what we already know them it should be even more obvious that SS is not going anywhere, while Hinata his nindo and her wishes was to walk with him while holding his hand.


Episode 235 is a clear example of what I meant, if Naruto makes a declaration like that one, going to Hinata will be him giving up because he could not win Sakura's affection something that is completely out of character since it has been stated that once he makes up his mind on something he does not give up.
Manga wise we just need to wait and find out.

Naruto only vows are, saving Sasuke for Sakura and himself, making Sakura happy, becoming Hokage and finding a solution for the current ninja system and this war.

I think he made a vow that he would confess to her, not like a vow but something he will do, after saving Sasuke maybe because he wants to hear her response, if he gets rejected or not his mindset is the same.
With Obito he was going to confess but give up because he knew she didnt loved him, he would not make a confession when he already knew the answer.


The fact is that with Naruto's mindset he would likely to never confess, i remeber on a game where Mizukage told him something like that, saying that it would never work out if he continue like this, but Sai did that for him, confessed Naruto's feelings for Sakura for Naruto, because he knew he would never confess.

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Posted 13 May 2013 - 04:25 PM

QUOTE (Slextrem @ May 13 2013, 06:15 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
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lol I thought you meant tumblr or blogspot or something XD

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Posted 13 May 2013 - 04:28 PM

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lol I thought you meant tumblr or blogspot or something XD

Nope! I stick with the i-Blogs here. laugh.gif

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Posted 13 May 2013 - 04:31 PM

Well, NS is still in set for me, but it's been a while that I think of pairing being spotlighted in this arc as in being relevant. That I still wait. Granted I may have predicted some, but right now, it's just on hold and hoping for the right conclusion. I mean I try to give 616 a chance if they were to take out Juubi by themselves or get praised by many, but that never happened. Actually, if these guys get knocked out/die after defending Naruto, you can truly argue that they never made a plot advancement at all, just side characters' development. I explained it way back, but having them knocked out would seal it. That's what I think right now.

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Posted 13 May 2013 - 04:31 PM

QUOTE (Dαrkrєrsŧ @ May 13 2013, 05:21 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I think he made a vow that he would confess to her, not like a vow but something he will do, after saving Sasuke maybe because he wants to hear her response, if he gets rejected or not his mindset is the same.
With Obito he was going to confess but give up because he knew she didnt loved him, he would not make a confession when he already knew the answer.

*I dont know what's happening with the mood on the forum lately on the past two days i only see people talking low about NS like it's not going to happen what happened to the guys who were on the green zone to counter this mood?

The fact is that with Naruto's mindset he would likely to never confess, i remeber on a game where Mizukage told him something like that, saying that it would never work out if he continue like this, but Sai did that for him, confessed Naruto's feelings for Sakura for Naruto, because he knew he would never confess.

Where do you see bad mood? I havent seen some the last days, i mean there are always some users but as long as they dont spam it i dont really realize it.-

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Posted 13 May 2013 - 04:33 PM

QUOTE (Dαrkrєrsŧ @ May 13 2013, 05:20 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Yeah, went after him three times on the shippuuden and only went to save one jinchuuriki once.
Then he faints because of Sasuke, says cant become hokage because of Sasuke, says that wants to die with Sasuke, sometimes i wonder myself why Kishimoto didnt make Sasuke to be a girl where Naruto had a love interest on her at least it would make sense.


Damn, baby. It would make sense when you twist it in a weird sense. A very attractive but cold-hearted, in a non-comical sense, female who went rouge and now the love interest is going to either sway her back in the other direction or have to deliver the killing blow.

We should send that idea to one of those fanfiction writers, they can go a lot of angles with this one.

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Posted 13 May 2013 - 04:52 PM

QUOTE (PhenixElite @ May 13 2013, 01:31 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Where do you see bad mood? I havent seen some the last days, i mean there are always some users but as long as they dont spam it i dont really realize it.-

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Posted 13 May 2013 - 04:55 PM

QUOTE (Dαrkrєrsŧ @ May 13 2013, 05:52 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>

thats not really that negativ.

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Posted 13 May 2013 - 04:55 PM

Not long till next chapter biggrin.gif

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Posted 13 May 2013 - 04:58 PM

QUOTE (HauntedCake @ May 13 2013, 01:55 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Not long till next chapter biggrin.gif

Yep not going to be long since i'm very addicted to Crusader Kings 2, time is running pretty fast.

Anyone thinks that there's a chance of Naruto becoming Emperor after the war since the political system is similar ot the feudal Japan, but there's currently no emperor. sweatdrop.gif

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Posted 13 May 2013 - 05:05 PM

QUOTE (Slextrem @ May 13 2013, 11:55 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I liked what happened in the chapter, but the way it was executed was done poorly, in my opinion. I felt like it showed how lazy Kishimoto has gotten when it comes to this series, and that made me sad. I wrote about it in my blog:

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Sakura looked like crap this chapter. That blast must have given her a lazy eye or something, cause she's looking off in two different directions at the same time. LOL. This chapter really showed just how lazy Kishimoto has gotten with this series:

1) His artwork was awful. Case and point, Sakura's panel.
2) Apparently, the Alliance now consists of 14 people. (Bottom panel: http://www.mangahere...3/c629/10.html)
3) Chouji and Hinata are the only Rookies important enough for screen time.
4) Obito already knew everything that happened to Rin, so Kakashi doesn't have to explain it to him...

It feels like Kishimoto is just going through the motions, or cutting corners, with this story in order to get to the finish line. I couldn't even enjoy the NaruSaku moment because of how badly this chapter was done. It had potential to be a great chapter, but the way Kishimoto executed it was terrible. If he was too lazy to draw the entire Alliance, why not have all of the Rookies jump in front of Naruto instead? That would go hand-in-hand with the, "Rely on your friends", theme that's been going on for the past two years - but no.

Instead, we'll have Chouji point out the obvious for one panel, shrink the Alliance to a group of 14 fodder-nin, have only Hinata and Sakura jump in to help Naruto, (which I actually really liked - but where is everyone else?), and make a bunch of fodder-nin all inspired to help save the day. Cool...

Then to top it all off, he made Obito aware of everything that happened to Rin. Wouldn't it have been more appropriate to have Kakashi explain all of that to Obito? Maybe he did it on purpose, but that's not the turn I wanted him to take with this. I'm getting really tired of unnecessary plot twists. It's just... The laziness of it all is too much for me to handle. I think I might be falling out of love with this series. I haven't been inspired to read it since Obito's flashbacks, and by "inspired", I mean excitedly seeking out the chapter to find out what happens next because I genuinely want to know. At the moment, I'm actually finding Bleach more interesting than Naruto, which is sad...

I might be falling out of love with pairings too. I'm just not as happy as I used to be looking at Naruto and Sakura together, not because I think they would be a bad couple, but because the quality of the series has plummeted. The plot, and particularly the way that Kishimoto is executing the plot, has gotten so bad that the only thing I care about is praying that nothing else will get messed up. Like this week, for example. Yeah, Sakura healing Naruto was nice, but I couldn't enjoy it because Kishimoto botched Sakura's face. And sure, he's finally letting Hinata act as a leader, but she's not even directing characters that are relevant to the story. Just fodder characters... *sigh* I just want Kishimoto to treat this series seriously until the end. Until that happens, I give up on pairings.



Yeah Slex I argee with you on the animation of Sakura being a bit off, but there has been much worse (My Pain is Much Greater than Yours!).

Anyways, this chapter did also open some possibilities like if the "remaining allaince" gets pummeled before Naruto, who will Naruto save in time? Well Sakura is right there and Hinata is out directly in front, this may be a set up for something bad for Hinata. All I know is, for once Sakura being a medical ninja could be in her favor right now, if Naruto bursts into his fire arua again, maybe Sakura will instantly be enveloped in it as well getting the chakra shroud again?

And please don't tell me bleach is more interesting, I'm still trying to process this whole thing with Ichigo and Uryuu basically being cousins, I mean the series has been kinda static for a while even though Kubo did say this would be the last arc, but this last arc is also the biggest. I still find it funny how he made Aizen say, "My zanpakto is so powerful" its Aizen himself just admitting he is the king of villainous trolls in any anime. I mean at least Orochimaru and the rest of the akaksuti have been knocked off their egotistic pedestals at least once and have issues to complain with. Heck, the "big 3" jump series all have their issues for now:

Naruto- Kishi's writing seems unorthodox, it had a good steady pace till around the 5 kage summit, but then things became confusing and then Naruto and Sasuke just keep getting power bolstered. Kishi's main problem is he sets himself up for a lot of potential to use his characters but then these need to be cut short due to story pacing and timing issues. I mean look at the main problem with Sakura and team 8, Sakura has always had oppoturnities for more fights like Sasori, a fight of her facing Kabuto back in the Sasuke and Sai arc, having a more activte role in the 7 swordsmen fight (kinda like in UNS3), or facing an edo chiyo would have been good development and moments for her (heck I think that if she faced edo chiyo with Gaara, it would have been perfect for Gaara to have teamed up with the one he almost killed and return the favor to chiyo and for both of them being present to show how her actions did not go to waste. Team 8 too, aside from Kiba, no one else really had a lasting role beyond the chunin exams, Kiba at least got one fight against Sakon and Ukon but we never saw their full abilities, heck kishi could have used the land of iron and had Sakura try to apprehend Sasuke with their help just to result in the same way (Sasuke beats them, Kakashi arrives, the rest run away with Karin, only Sakura returns to help face Sasuke and she tells them the reasons why, she goes, stops trying to kill Sasuke, Sasuke almost kills her, Naruto arrives, etc). The reunion could have played out the same way, just with the Kiba, Sai, and Lee not being present when Naruto was. As for Hinata and especially shino, Hinata had many opportunities in the downtime but again, kishi just bypassed her. Shino is practically non-existent yet he is one of the most skilled (figures why they make fun of him always being forgotten in more omakes than I can remember).

One Piece- I just need to say, One piece is a very good series, one of the most epic, I love how we see these crazy lands and I love the story, the sense of adventure, its like the only manga series I can see having the potential of bridging generations kinda like the Marvel and DC heroes, my own granduncle read the stuff when he was 10, he is over 80 now! and yet he loved the 2012 avengers movie, I can see one piece doing this (but within a span of 30 years compared to 70). Anyways, I feel Oda has a few issues of his own, first 15 plus years writing a manga can take its toll, he has more breaks than the others. Next, the aspect of dragging it out is a bit much, I mean we learn about some great stuff like the void century and vegapunk, yet its been 15 years and we still know nothing about it. Its at this point, I cannot see where it will actually be worth the ending when it gets there, yet I keep reading it because I love the cast, if he did anything right, he has a good cast of main characters, however each time he adds one, its more time to keep things going and the story still has the same cycle of: 1. Arrive at an island, 2. There is trouble, 3. Pummel the bad guys, 4. Win, party, head to the next destination. Some story plots are mixed in around the sides every now and then. I mean my favorite arc was Enies lobby but it was so long, each character got their own fight for a least 3-5 chapters it seemed, people can get tired of reading. I remember first reading one piece in 2003, I was 12 back then, now I'm 23 and reading this, its practically been half my life with very little having moved forward at this point. At this rate, it feels like the series would not end until 2025, its like one arc a year with small amounts of action just starting in the background.

Bleach- I seriously cannot follow Kubo, I mean ever since Aizen was beaten, I have not really figured his methods, the X-caution arc was decent but it just continued to go one way or another. Now we are on the final arc and its nice to see the zero division but I just cannot see what the overlying message is, I mean Naruto, its about bonds and friendship, One piece its the adventure, so what about Bleach? What is the message? Or is it just another DBZ just going for enjoyment and action till it ends? I still don't see an overarching story message for DBZ, it was just action for the sake of action in my opinion, and though enjoyable, kinda dull looking back at it I mean one reason I love Naruto and One piece above DBZ is how characters actually have different powers, not just super speed, strength, and flight and shooting energy just different colors and names.

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Posted 13 May 2013 - 05:15 PM

QUOTE (NaruSaku4Life3g @ May 13 2013, 07:31 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Well, NS is still in set for me, but it's been a while that I think of pairing being spotlighted in this arc as in being relevant. That I still wait. Granted I may have predicted some, but right now, it's just on hold and hoping for the right conclusion. I mean I try to give 616 a chance if they were to take out Juubi by themselves or get praised by many, but that never happened. Actually, if these guys get knocked out/die after defending Naruto, you can truly argue that they never made a plot advancement at all, just side characters' development. I explained it way back, but having them knocked out would seal it. That's what I think right now.

I think that they can still not be knocked out for they may give assistance dealing with the Juubi. Like when the Kages are going to fight Madara, or Hashirama fights Madara alone and the other Kages takes care of the Juubi, they can help them, by letting them not being taken out, and fight the Juubi too.

Actually, being knocked out or not, the Kages can still be shown dealing well with the Juubi or Madara or both.

Edited by T XD, 13 May 2013 - 05:16 PM.


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Posted 13 May 2013 - 05:26 PM

QUOTE (Anguyen92 @ May 13 2013, 01:33 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Damn, baby. It would make sense when you twist it in a weird sense. A very attractive but cold-hearted, in a non-comical sense, female who went rouge and now the love interest is going to either sway her back in the other direction or have to deliver the killing blow.

We should send that idea to one of those fanfiction writers, they can go a lot of angles with this one.

If Kishi had done it like that then everyone would be shipping Naruto X Sasuko:



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Posted 13 May 2013 - 05:28 PM

QUOTE (Slextrem @ May 13 2013, 04:55 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I liked what happened in the chapter, but the way it was executed was done poorly, in my opinion. I felt like it showed how lazy Kishimoto has gotten when it comes to this series, and that made me sad. I wrote about it in my blog:

If you enjoyed the chapter, don't read this. It will likely dampen your enjoyment of the chapter, and I don't want that to happen. --Click here to view--
Sakura looked like crap this chapter. That blast must have given her a lazy eye or something, cause she's looking off in two different directions at the same time. LOL. This chapter really showed just how lazy Kishimoto has gotten with this series:

1) His artwork was awful. Case and point, Sakura's panel.
2) Apparently, the Alliance now consists of 14 people. (Bottom panel: http://www.mangahere...3/c629/10.html)
3) Chouji and Hinata are the only Rookies important enough for screen time.
4) Obito already knew everything that happened to Rin, so Kakashi doesn't have to explain it to him...

It feels like Kishimoto is just going through the motions, or cutting corners, with this story in order to get to the finish line. I couldn't even enjoy the NaruSaku moment because of how badly this chapter was done. It had potential to be a great chapter, but the way Kishimoto executed it was terrible. If he was too lazy to draw the entire Alliance, why not have all of the Rookies jump in front of Naruto instead? That would go hand-in-hand with the, "Rely on your friends", theme that's been going on for the past two years - but no.

Instead, we'll have Chouji point out the obvious for one panel, shrink the Alliance to a group of 14 fodder-nin, have only Hinata and Sakura jump in to help Naruto, (which I actually really liked - but where is everyone else?), and make a bunch of fodder-nin all inspired to help save the day. Cool...

Then to top it all off, he made Obito aware of everything that happened to Rin. Wouldn't it have been more appropriate to have Kakashi explain all of that to Obito? Maybe he did it on purpose, but that's not the turn I wanted him to take with this. I'm getting really tired of unnecessary plot twists. It's just... The laziness of it all is too much for me to handle. I think I might be falling out of love with this series. I haven't been inspired to read it since Obito's flashbacks, and by "inspired", I mean excitedly seeking out the chapter to find out what happens next because I genuinely want to know. At the moment, I'm actually finding Bleach more interesting than Naruto, which is sad...

I might be falling out of love with pairings too. I'm just not as happy as I used to be looking at Naruto and Sakura together, not because I think they would be a bad couple, but because the quality of the series has plummeted. The plot, and particularly the way that Kishimoto is executing the plot, has gotten so bad that the only thing I care about is praying that nothing else will get messed up. Like this week, for example. Yeah, Sakura healing Naruto was nice, but I couldn't enjoy it because Kishimoto botched Sakura's face. And sure, he's finally letting Hinata act as a leader, but she's not even directing characters that are relevant to the story. Just fodder characters... *sigh* I just want Kishimoto to treat this series seriously until the end. Until that happens, I give up on pairings.

I agree that his art is getting a little lax for some parts, but then you look at Madara's face and Naruto's bloodied exp​ression so he might be trying to emphasize certain parts.

As for Rin, sure it was rushed but it was hinted that Obito or Madara had something to do with being or manipulating the Mizukage which would explain why he knew about her being the three-tailed jinchuriki.


Though here's a thought for everybody. If Sakura dies than will Naruto go all "I'm going to destroy the mind of the world" crazy like Obito?

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Posted 13 May 2013 - 05:34 PM

I dont know why the Rin stuff was rushed. Did you guys want 5 chapters flashback and 5 chapters of kakashi telling obito how it all happened?
I think if it was like that a lot more people would start complaining.

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Posted 13 May 2013 - 05:38 PM

QUOTE (Shadow1275 @ May 13 2013, 07:28 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I agree that his art is getting a little lax for some parts, but then you look at Madara's face and Naruto's bloodied exp​ression so he might be trying to emphasize certain parts.

As for Rin, sure it was rushed but it was hinted that Obito or Madara had something to do with being or manipulating the Mizukage which would explain why he knew about her being the three-tailed jinchuriki.


Though here's a thought for everybody. If Sakura dies than will Naruto go all "I'm going to destroy the mind of the world" crazy like Obito?

No. But let's say he does think that way after he's done with his breakdown - there won't be enough time for him to transform his mindset like that. He'll be staring in the air with wide eyes, shocked - sadness - grief..and so on. Before he's done with all these stages, someone will snap him out of it. Or..well we've already seen that. mad.gif That scene should've been spared for later.

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Posted 13 May 2013 - 06:14 PM

Regarding the fact that Obito already knew what happened to Rin, it would explain his statement to Kakashi, "It's because you let Rin die."
At that time, especially after the revelation of Rin's death, that strange statement had no sense. But now it has. So I think it's better in this way, that Obito already knew the whole truth, instead of Kakashi's saying it to him.

That's because Kakashi's TNJ cannot work on Obito. Obito will be tnjed, we need to know from who he will be tnjed. Kakashi is OUT. Minato is coming but I have idea that even him will fail. And who will remain? Of course, the one who's like a twin brother of the Obito which Kakashi and Minato used to know, Naruto. It makes totally sense. It's Kishimoto's style.

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Posted 13 May 2013 - 06:21 PM

QUOTE (T XD @ May 13 2013, 01:15 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I think that they can still not be knocked out for they may give assistance dealing with the Juubi. Like when the Kages are going to fight Madara, or Hashirama fights Madara alone and the other Kages takes care of the Juubi, they can help them, by letting them not being taken out, and fight the Juubi too.

Actually, being knocked out or not, the Kages can still be shown dealing well with the Juubi or Madara or both.


That would be neat, 6 kages facing the ten tails, imagine the immense combination of Tobirama, Hiruzen, Minato, Gaara, Mei, Ohnoki, and Ay. Only not including Hashirama cause he would need to deal with Madara while its unknown what would happen with Tsunade.

Maybe Sakura takes Tsunade's place on this team finally surpassing her? rolleyes.gif (wishful thinking but its funny how some crazy possibilities opened up with the hokage revival and how Sakura and Hashirama could associate typically because of Tsunade.

I mean what if taka and the edo hokages come across the wounded kages and Hashirama sees Tsuanade battered and broken? If Tsunade is really finished, this would be good development for Sakura, yet its not hard to imagine Hashirama giving Sakura something weather it be a crazy power (kinda like Itachi gave Sasuke Amterasu) or simply just some wisdom. Okay I'm honestly doubting Sakura would get some powerup this late, if she did it would best be the yin seal tsunade had and Hashirama could easily associate with Sakura given the, "Tsunade carried my will and you carry what she had," its kinda funny how in this one group, Naruto obviously can associate with Minato, but both Naruto AND Sakura are able to effectly associate with Hashirama. I mean I could expect something funny like Naruto freaking out after they come to the battlefield thinking they will attack, only for Hashirama to say that they are able to move on their free will, then Naruto gets excited only to have Sakura whack him to say show respect, this is the guy who made our village. Yes there can be a funny moment in there, I mean we had one with Shikakus final plan and how he had a secret porn stash or something.

Geez who knew reviving 4 characters could drive so much potental forward. But as it stands, both Naruto and Sakura have a direct connection for associating with Hashirama, Naruto as the jinchurki and parallel, Sakura being Tsunades apprentice.

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Posted 13 May 2013 - 06:22 PM

I get that Rin was shocked when she was about to die, I would be too even if I took the attack on purpose. I get that she was shocked, I would be too even if I took the attack on purpose. But she had a "Kakashi, why?" expression, as in why did you betray me. She looked sad.

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Posted 13 May 2013 - 06:26 PM

I think Sakura is going to make Naruto make another promise to her, one right before the Naruto Sasuke fight, this time she will want to make sure Naruto comes back alive to her smile.gif




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